Kolleen

>Whose law? An international law?
>
>JFK Jr. was buried at sea just lately.

I don't know his military history.. but one would suppose with enough
money.. almost anything can happen *smile*

Beside cremated burials at sea, I don't think there is a provision for a
rock, a hemp rope and a body. Nothing else that would impede the
decomposing process.

My brother, now a sea Captain, has checked into this quite a few years
ago before his mid-life career change. It was discouraging.

If the laws have changed, i would be interested, and would stand
corrected. This would be my way to go, since I don't think they allow you
to get put into the ground without a box :-)

kolleen

6-11
BURIAL AT SEA
6-11a
BURIAL AT SEA PROCEDURES
6-11b
U.S. NAVY BURIAL AT SEA PROGRAM- (Additional
information)



6-11 BURIAL AT SEA

All active duty and retired members of the uniformed services are
entitled to burial at sea. Burial must be
requested in writing. Primary next-of-kin desiring disposition of the
body at sea should contact the nearest
Office of Medical Affairs (See listing below) , which will ascertain ship
availability and inform next-of-kin
where to deliver the remains. Any expense for transportation of the
remains must be borne by the estate of the
deceased. Even though an individual is buried at sea, a memorial marker
can still be placed in a National
cemetery engraved with the standard grave stone information. ( Excerpts
RAO Moody AFB GA July 1991.)

6-11a BURIAL AT SEA PROCEDURES

Retired Navy members and their dependents are entitled to burial at sea.
Anyone desiring burial at sea should
indicate that preference in writing. At the time of demise, the
executor/executrix of the estate should contact:

Office of Medical/Dental Affairs (MEDDEN AFFAIRS)
Mortuary Affairs, Bldg 38H
Great Lakes, Illinois 60088-5200
Toll Free: 1-800-876-1131, Ext. 629

An information packet can be sent or FAXed to you. The packet contains
the Burial At Sea
request/authorization form. If the preference for burial at sea was not
put in writing by the retired member, the
person responsible for disposition of the remains may authorize burial at
sea.

The following documents must be submitted to the proper "port of
embarkation", which will be listed in the
information package available MEDDEN AFFAIRS, with the request form:

* Certificate of cremation or a transit permit issued by the appropriate
civil authorities at the place of death;
or
*Photocopy of civil death certificate; and
* Signed request/authorization for committal from the primary next of kin
or executor of the estate
*Photocopy of retirement orders

The authorization should include the decedents full name, grade, Social
Security number, and file/serial
number (if available); branch of service; date of retirement or dates of
service and date of death; type of
religious service desired; and whether scatting of cremated remains from
a naval vessel/aircraft, or committal
of casket remains is desired from a naval vessel; and the body of water
in which the cremains/remains should
be committed.

It should be noted that the Navy does not offer free cremation services
for its retirees and veterans. The only
exception is if a retiree is hospitalized in a military hospital at the
time of death. In this case, the survivors are
entitled to all mortuary services at government expense, including the
assistance of the military services in
making funeral arrangements.

Also, advance arrangements cannot be made because compliance with the
request would depend upon
weather conditions and the availability of a ship at that time. Services
on board ship while in port may be
permitted on a "not to interfere" basis; however, civilian personnel
cannot be authorized to attend services at
sea. Any expenses incurred for delivery of remains/cremains to the point
of embarkation on board a naval
ship must be borne by the estate of the deceased. Remains to be committed
should be in a state of
preservation that will allow them to be stored for 60 days. For more
information please call or write
MEDDEN AFFAIRS.

An alternate to burial at sea from a naval vessel/aircraft is burial at
sea from a United States Coast Guard
(USCG) vessel. The USCG has more stations along the coasts of the US than
does the Navy. In areas where
the nearest naval activity is hundreds of miles away, the cost to the
family of transporting the remains and
family members to the services could be prohibitive. In addition, the
USCGs mission provides much more
flexibility and availability of vessels to accommodate burial at sea, and
when mission obligations and
weather conditions permit, civilian personnel are permitted to attend the
services at sea. As with the Navy,
advance arrangements cannot be made. Interested persons should contact
the nearest USCG station, which is
usually listed under the Department of Transportation in the local
telephone directory. (Shift Colors, Fall 95)


6-11b U.S. NAVY BURIAL AT SEA PROGRAM- (Additional information)

The following people are eligible for the U.S. Navy's Burial at Sea
Program:

1. Active Duty of the uniformed services.
2. Retired members of the uniformed services.
3. Former member of the uniformed services discharged under honorable
conditions.
4. U.S. civilian marine personnel of the Military Sealift Command
5. Dependents of active duty, retired, or former members of the uniformed
services.
6. Other U.S. civilians who are determined eligible for at sea committal
due to notable service or outstanding
contributions to the United States, approved by the office of the Chief
of Naval Operations.

Advanced commitments cannot be made because compliance with the request
would depend upon the
conditions and the availability of a ship at that time. Services on board
ship, while it is in port, may be
permitted on a "not to interfere" basis; however, civilian personnel can
not be authorized to attend at sea
services.

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In a message dated 3/21/02 9:36:49 PM, Kolleen@... writes:

<< This would be my way to go, since I don't think they allow you
to get put into the ground without a box :-) >>

I have a friend who was buried in only a blanket, and a friend who's a
funeral director who says you can be buried without a coffin (in this state,
anyway). You just have to know the terminology and press for knowing the
laws.

My question about the burial at sea was WHOSE law is it? U.S.? The
jurisdiction over the ocean only extends a few miles from any country's
shores.

Sandra

Cindy

SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> My question about the burial at sea was WHOSE law is it? U.S.? The
> jurisdiction over the ocean only extends a few miles from any country's
> shores.
>

I know here in CA there is a law against just anyone dumping remains
from small airplanes over the ocean. Only certified personnel may do
it - I heard about the law when one of those certified personnel took
money and cremated remains to do it, but just stashed the urns in a
storage locker.

Also the number of miles in the jurisdiction depends on whose border
it is. I believe most countries allow others to claim 2 miles while
they claim 200 for themselves. That's why there can be "incidents"
with fishing boats - one side sees it as international waters and
the other as their countries.

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@...

Lynda

The US claims 3 miles. The minimum other countries claim is 12 miles except
when they are fishing or playing nuclear/war games. Japan "claimed" the US
could only claim 1 mile and that was the reason they ran aground up here
(you've been to Trinidad, haven't you, Cindy?) during WWII.

International waters is one big mess and there are hundreds of lawsuits
filed each year in international courts.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy" <crma@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Sea burials


>
>
> SandraDodd@... wrote:
> >
> > My question about the burial at sea was WHOSE law is it? U.S.? The
> > jurisdiction over the ocean only extends a few miles from any country's
> > shores.
> >
>
> I know here in CA there is a law against just anyone dumping remains
> from small airplanes over the ocean. Only certified personnel may do
> it - I heard about the law when one of those certified personnel took
> money and cremated remains to do it, but just stashed the urns in a
> storage locker.
>
> Also the number of miles in the jurisdiction depends on whose border
> it is. I believe most countries allow others to claim 2 miles while
> they claim 200 for themselves. That's why there can be "incidents"
> with fishing boats - one side sees it as international waters and
> the other as their countries.
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
>
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There is a recent article in the Wash Post on Alternative burials. They
mention Green Burials (?)
Search here:
www.washingtonpost.com
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