grammer
hazy_lilly
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ?
Thanks
hazel
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ?
Thanks
hazel
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Children learn what they see. When they are read to or read themselves, they
see grammer, the perceive the inflections, the way words work together,
sentence structure and all that goes. As they write, and read responses,
they learn that poor grammer may cause misunderstanding with their audience
so they change it. Some may go to an old grammer handbook many former
college attendees saved. I believe it is instinctive, after all they are
using it since they began to talk. Think about how children cdevelop spoken
language. "Dat!" with a pointing finger becomes "Me want dat cook" turns to
"Can I have that cookie?"
Written language develops the same way.
I encourage writting thank you notes, phone number lists, and grocery lists,
I buy the kids Journaling books, story starters and leave them where they
may find them andpick them up if they are interested.
But the biggest thing I "do" is use it myself and not worry about it. OF
COURSE they will get it, it is natural for the to want to learn and do their
personal best, as long as they are allowed the freedom and time to do so.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
see grammer, the perceive the inflections, the way words work together,
sentence structure and all that goes. As they write, and read responses,
they learn that poor grammer may cause misunderstanding with their audience
so they change it. Some may go to an old grammer handbook many former
college attendees saved. I believe it is instinctive, after all they are
using it since they began to talk. Think about how children cdevelop spoken
language. "Dat!" with a pointing finger becomes "Me want dat cook" turns to
"Can I have that cookie?"
Written language develops the same way.
I encourage writting thank you notes, phone number lists, and grocery lists,
I buy the kids Journaling books, story starters and leave them where they
may find them andpick them up if they are interested.
But the biggest thing I "do" is use it myself and not worry about it. OF
COURSE they will get it, it is natural for the to want to learn and do their
personal best, as long as they are allowed the freedom and time to do so.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Rebecca Brown
Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ?
Thanks
hazel
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Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
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Thanks
hazel
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<<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Rebecca Brown
My kids love MAD LIBS!! If they need to know what something is they ask, I tell them. After I tell them once or twice they get it and don't ask anymore. Rarely when reading a book do I feel the need to identify parts of speech. Much less diagram a sentence. Have'nt done that since high school and not sure why it was required then. Overall my kids learn proper english by communicating with others and reading and being read to. When they write things (cards, notes, stories) they usually ask me to read it through. They WANT it to be right. I suggest changes and most times explain why. They often tend to remember that mistake next time. What kid does not mispell things, or word a sentence badly? It is all part of learning this crazy english language. Only I think we are doing it the easy, natural way. And yes my daughter can pass the State required test. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ?
Thanks
hazel
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Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ?
Thanks
hazel
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Lilly
Rebecca ,
I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
children this year and I don't have the answers for
everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I have
read many of john holts books but I am still learning
Lilly
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I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
children this year and I don't have the answers for
everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I have
read many of john holts books but I am still learning
Lilly
--- Rebecca Brown <snickerdoodledog@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to
> figure us out. Rebecca
> hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn
> Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ?
>
> Thanks
> hazel
>
>
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I noticed that "there" too. Too Funny!!! I hope there's not too many mistakes in my grammar response. Rebecca
ElissaJC@... wrote: <<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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ElissaJC@... wrote: <<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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I noticed that "there" too. Too Funny!!! I hope there's not too many mistakes in my grammar response. Rebecca
ElissaJC@... wrote: <<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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ElissaJC@... wrote: <<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to figure us out. Rebecca
hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
Hello,
Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
verbs, adj etc) ? >>
Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
children!
~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
grammer!
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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Lilly
LOL I just noticed when you pointed it out.
Hazel
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--- ElissaJC@... wrote:
> <<Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to__________________________________________________
> figure us out. Rebecca
> hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn
> Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ? >>
>
> Even if, it's still a good question for us to
> discuss!
> I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not
> picking) it's *their*
> children!
> ~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response
> with extra care on the
> grammer!
> "It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern
> methods of instruction
> have
> not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of
> inquiry." A. Einstein
>
>
>
>
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OH YEAH! I totally forgot about those Mad Libs!! Emily LOVES them.
When I was a kid, we used to fill them in with "dirty words". That may be a
good grownup game.
Hmmm, time for a dinner party!
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
When I was a kid, we used to fill them in with "dirty words". That may be a
good grownup game.
Hmmm, time for a dinner party!
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Rebecca Brown
OPEN MOUTH, INSERT TYPING FINGERS!!!! I am SOO SORRY!!! Sincerely, I hope all the responses you get will help. It has taken me some time to get into a groove with this unschooling thing too. I was thinking about it the other day. I see what my kids do as sort of how I remember Summer Vacation back in PS. Umm over 20 years ago. That last day when you jump off the bus carrying an empty backpack. Knowing you had three whole months of freedom. No one would EXPECT you to read anything but of course I read countless stories in my climbing tree. I was a only child latch key kid, so I really did have a lot of freedom. Watched Scooby and Gilligan, Explored the orange groves, bothered my neighbor in her garden daily. Walked to the public pool with friends. Stayed up late and ate Raviolis everyday. The big difference is that in the back of my mind I knew my freedom would abruptly end around the end of August. My sincerest apologies--> hoping I have not ruined a new friendship before it get going good. Rebecca
Lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote: Rebecca ,
I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
children this year and I don't have the answers for
everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I have
read many of john holts books but I am still learning
Lilly
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Lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote: Rebecca ,
I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
children this year and I don't have the answers for
everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I have
read many of john holts books but I am still learning
Lilly
--- Rebecca Brown <snickerdoodledog@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to
> figure us out. Rebecca
> hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn
> Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ?
>
> Thanks
> hazel
>
>
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Lilly
Rebecca ,
No I understand you probrably get alot of people who
come in and are nosey or rude. I just signed up for
all these unschooling groups,hoping it helps me out.
We seem to have a few things in common Gilligan, chef
boy ar dee, and the whole latch key deal. By the way
my grammer can stink at times! LOL
Hazel
(LIlly is my nick I use sometimes)
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No I understand you probrably get alot of people who
come in and are nosey or rude. I just signed up for
all these unschooling groups,hoping it helps me out.
We seem to have a few things in common Gilligan, chef
boy ar dee, and the whole latch key deal. By the way
my grammer can stink at times! LOL
Hazel
(LIlly is my nick I use sometimes)
--- Rebecca Brown <snickerdoodledog@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
> OPEN MOUTH, INSERT TYPING FINGERS!!!! I am SOO
> SORRY!!! Sincerely, I hope all the responses you
> get will help. It has taken me some time to get
> into a groove with this unschooling thing too. I
> was thinking about it the other day. I see what my
> kids do as sort of how I remember Summer Vacation
> back in PS. Umm over 20 years ago. That last day
> when you jump off the bus carrying an empty
> backpack. Knowing you had three whole months of
> freedom. No one would EXPECT you to read anything
> but of course I read countless stories in my
> climbing tree. I was a only child latch key kid, so
> I really did have a lot of freedom. Watched Scooby
> and Gilligan, Explored the orange groves, bothered
> my neighbor in her garden daily. Walked to the
> public pool with friends. Stayed up late and ate
> Raviolis everyday. The big difference is that in
> the back of my mind I knew my freedom would abruptly
> end around the end of August. My sincerest
> apologies--> hoping I have not ruined a new
> friendship before it get going good. Rebecca
>
> Lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote: Rebecca ,
>
> I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
> children this year and I don't have the answers for
> everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
> about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
> homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I
> have
> read many of john holts books but I am still
> learning
>
> Lilly
> --- Rebecca Brown <snickerdoodledog@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like we have someone peeking in trying to
> > figure us out. Rebecca
> > hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Can some unschoolers share how there children
> learn
> > Grammer(nouns,
> > verbs, adj etc) ?
> >
> > Thanks
> > hazel
> >
> >
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Have you been to the website and looked at the message boards! There is a
folder with various "conversations" on different learning subjects.
~Elissa Cleaveland
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have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Have you been to the website and looked at the message boards! There is a
folder with various "conversations" on different learning subjects.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Kolleen
>Hello,Through modeling.
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
>verbs, adj etc) ?
>
>Thanks
>hazel
kolleen
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because they're not on your road
doesn't mean they've gotten lost."
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OK OK OK- I will bite... What are Madlibs??? :-)
God bless
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Austin 10/31/93 Sarah 8/28/95 Emmalee 8/15/00
And loving wife to Randy
**If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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----- Original Message -----
From: ElissaJC@...
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Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] grammer
OH YEAH! I totally forgot about those Mad Libs!! Emily LOVES them.
When I was a kid, we used to fill them in with "dirty words". That may be a
good grownup game.
Hmmm, time for a dinner party!
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "hazy_lilly" <hazy_lilly@y...> wrote:
mechanic to be able to name the parts of speech? There are lots of
jobs that one only need to be able to communicate with the language,
not analyze it. So is it really necessay for everyone to learn it?
OTOH - My interests are varied but I do have strong interest in
writing and editing. For that, it is a huge benefit for me that the
parts of speech were drilled into me at a very young age. I can now
write rapidly and well without having to stop and consider which form
of the verb is needed where. I want my kids to learn this too, but
I'm not going to force them to. I may suggest and encourage, but if
they aren't interested, I won't force it. Besides if they go through
with their long range plans, they won't need it anyway.
Bridget
>I am of two minds on this one. Is it really necessary for your
>
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ?
>
> Thanks
> hazel
mechanic to be able to name the parts of speech? There are lots of
jobs that one only need to be able to communicate with the language,
not analyze it. So is it really necessay for everyone to learn it?
OTOH - My interests are varied but I do have strong interest in
writing and editing. For that, it is a huge benefit for me that the
parts of speech were drilled into me at a very young age. I can now
write rapidly and well without having to stop and consider which form
of the verb is needed where. I want my kids to learn this too, but
I'm not going to force them to. I may suggest and encourage, but if
they aren't interested, I won't force it. Besides if they go through
with their long range plans, they won't need it anyway.
Bridget
Joseph Fuerst
>My toddler is beginning to know and try to say some nouns......dog, shoes,
>
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ?
>
> Thanks
> hazel
>
juice, wa-wa (water). For him, "down" is a verb meaning he wants to go
down from a chair or high-chair.
Oh, perhaps you mean grammar terminology ;-)
Mine have encountered these words in the Jump Start computer software, and
we have a book which uses characters to 'show' things about nouns, verbs,
ajectives, adverbs. They have run across thes terms in a few games on the
back of cereal boxes...and just yesterday we got a sample of Ragu express
with make-a-story-game which had a story with blanks to fill in....under
the blanks they indicated what type of word to use...noun, verb, or
adjective.
Susan
Joseph Fuerst
I forgot about Mad libs, too! And I'm lol about your 'dirty words'! What
fun!!
fun!!
> OH YEAH! I totally forgot about those Mad Libs!! Emily LOVES them.a
> When I was a kid, we used to fill them in with "dirty words". That may be
> good grownup game.
> Hmmm, time for a dinner party!
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>Since you're wanting to learn more about it, one of the best things you
>I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling my
>children this year and I don't have the answers for
>everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
>about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
>homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I have
>read many of john holts books but I am still learning
could do for unschooling your kids is to lose the whole idea of subjects
that kids need to learn. When you divide the world into subjects and get
concerned about whether they're learning this or that one, it interferes
with the trust that you need to develop that your kids will learn what they
need to know when they need to know it.
That said, the Mad Libs suggestion is great for if the kids want to learn
the parts of speech. I'm not saying they need to know them. I'm a writer,
and I've forgotten most of what I learned in school about grammar. I've
read so much all my life that things either feel right or not. I actually
realized how little formal grammar I remember while taking an editing
course. I could always pick out the stuff that was wrong. I just didn't
know why. <g>
Tia
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Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
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Lynda
There aren't too many
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To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] grammer
>
> I noticed that "there" too. Too Funny!!! I hope there's not too many
mistakes in my grammar response. Rebecca
> ElissaJC@... wrote: <<Looks like we have someone peeking in
trying to figure us out. Rebecca
> hazy_lilly <hazy_lilly@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Can some unschoolers share how there children learn Grammer(nouns,
> verbs, adj etc) ? >>
>
> Even if, it's still a good question for us to discuss!
> I just noticed, Hazel, (and I am laughing and not picking) it's *their*
> children!
> ~Elissa Cleaveland, who typed her grammer response with extra care on the
> grammer!
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>Do you really think it's because it was drilled into you? Do you actually
>OTOH - My interests are varied but I do have strong interest in
>writing and editing. For that, it is a huge benefit for me that the
>parts of speech were drilled into me at a very young age. I can now
>write rapidly and well without having to stop and consider which form
>of the verb is needed where.
consider what tense to use when you write? I ask because I don't. I've
read so much all my life that it comes naturally.
I do worry about my son's speech a little because his father tends to slip
into "logger talk" a lot. He knows perfectly well how to speak correctly,
but he uses "logger talk" so much with his buddies that it becomes a habit.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
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Tia Leschke
>OK OK OK- I will bite... What are Madlibs??? :-)They're stories with a bunch of words left out. Where the word is meant to
be, you'll find the words noun, or verb, or adjective. Two people
play. One asks the other for a noun and then an adjective and then a verb,
or whatever is asked for, and writes them in. Then that person reads the
story back with the words inserted. They can be quite hilarious. I've
found them on the web. You fill out a form first with your chosen
words. Then you get to see the story. Searching for mad libs would find
you some to try.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Lilly
--- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
I never thought about it that way. That is very good
point. Give me something to ponder on. i think that i
am still stuck on what to show or prove he did by the
end of the year. he shouldn't have to prove anything
right?
Thanks
hazel
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>Tia ,
> >
> >I am not peeking in I have just begun unschooling
> my
> >children this year and I don't have the answers for
> >everything and am trying to get advice on how to go
> >about for language arts. I was not unschooled or
> >homeschool so this area is still fresh to me. I
> have
> >read many of john holts books but I am still
> learning
>
> Since you're wanting to learn more about it, one of
> the best things you
> could do for unschooling your kids is to lose the
> whole idea of subjects
> that kids need to learn. When you divide the world
> into subjects and get
> concerned about whether they're learning this or
> that one, it interferes
> with the trust that you need to develop that your
> kids will learn what they
> need to know when they need to know it.
>
> That said, the Mad Libs suggestion is great for if
> the kids want to learn
> the parts of speech. I'm not saying they need to
> know them. I'm a writer,
> and I've forgotten most of what I learned in school
> about grammar. I've
> read so much all my life that things either feel
> right or not. I actually
> realized how little formal grammar I remember while
> taking an editing
> course. I could always pick out the stuff that was
> wrong. I just didn't
> know why. <g>
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your
> consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
I never thought about it that way. That is very good
point. Give me something to ponder on. i think that i
am still stuck on what to show or prove he did by the
end of the year. he shouldn't have to prove anything
right?
Thanks
hazel
nick - lilly
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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Lilly
--- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
i think it's because I was taught. I worry about my
son's speech too. I don't know what you mean by
"Logger talk" , but my son is always making up voices.
Sometime I wonder if he remembers what his own voice
is. LOL
thanks again
Hazel
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>tia
> >
> >OTOH - My interests are varied but I do have strong
> interest in
> >writing and editing. For that, it is a huge
> benefit for me that the
> >parts of speech were drilled into me at a very
> young age. I can now
> >write rapidly and well without having to stop and
> consider which form
> >of the verb is needed where.
>
> Do you really think it's because it was drilled into
> you? Do you actually
> consider what tense to use when you write? I ask
> because I don't. I've
> read so much all my life that it comes naturally.
>
> I do worry about my son's speech a little because
> his father tends to slip
> into "logger talk" a lot. He knows perfectly well
> how to speak correctly,
> but he uses "logger talk" so much with his buddies
> that it becomes a habit.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your
> consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
i think it's because I was taught. I worry about my
son's speech too. I don't know what you mean by
"Logger talk" , but my son is always making up voices.
Sometime I wonder if he remembers what his own voice
is. LOL
thanks again
Hazel
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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rumpleteasermom
I shouldn't say drilled into me, because I LOVED every minute of it
and I still like diagramming sentences. But, when I am writing, I can
place the right tense of a verb where it belongs without it being a
conscious thought. But more importantly, when I am editing, it helps
me spot inconsistencies in tense. Nothing irritates me more than
having the coherance of a book ruined by an author who is inconsistent
with her verbs.
Bridget
and I still like diagramming sentences. But, when I am writing, I can
place the right tense of a verb where it belongs without it being a
conscious thought. But more importantly, when I am editing, it helps
me spot inconsistencies in tense. Nothing irritates me more than
having the coherance of a book ruined by an author who is inconsistent
with her verbs.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> Do you really think it's because it was drilled into you? Do you
actually
> consider what tense to use when you write? I ask because I don't.
I've
> read so much all my life that it comes naturally.
>
> I do worry about my son's speech a little because his father tends
to slip
> into "logger talk" a lot. He knows perfectly well how to speak
correctly,
> but he uses "logger talk" so much with his buddies that it becomes a
habit.
> Tia
>
> No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
> Eleanor Roosevelt
> *********************************************
> Tia Leschke
> leschke@i...
> On Vancouver Island
alaurashome
> >My kids love Mad Libs. They are great for long car trips. I also
> > Hello,
> > Can some unschoolers share how there children learn
> > Grammer(nouns,
> > verbs, adj etc) ?
purchased a couple of Grammar handbooks for our bookshelf. I use
them more than my kids, but they know the books are availble.
My 14 yr old daughter is really into writing and she is considering
taking a formal grammar course. I oredered her a text, but I am not
sure how/when or if she will use it. The choice is hers.
I think that my children pick up the grammar they need just by
talking, listening, reading, and writing. We also play made up
games like verb charades, guess the noun (aka 20 questions), and
Jeopardy. We do this a couple of times a year when the mood strikes
us. It seems to help them remember basic grammar terms.
They also have a Schoolhouse Rock video that covers the basics in
catchy songs. (Remember these from Saturday morning TV?)
Alaura
Lilly
Thank you for all the grammer responses. It was very
interesting
Alaura,
Yes I remember school house rock! I use to love them.
The charade game will work really well my boy. They
are very active.
Bye ,
Hazel
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interesting
Alaura,
Yes I remember school house rock! I use to love them.
The charade game will work really well my boy. They
are very active.
Bye ,
Hazel
--- alaurashome <alaurashome@...> wrote:
> > >__________________________________________________
> > > Hello,
> > > Can some unschoolers share how there children
> learn
> > > Grammer(nouns,
> > > verbs, adj etc) ?
>
> My kids love Mad Libs. They are great for long car
> trips. I also
> purchased a couple of Grammar handbooks for our
> bookshelf. I use
> them more than my kids, but they know the books are
> availble.
>
> My 14 yr old daughter is really into writing and she
> is considering
> taking a formal grammar course. I oredered her a
> text, but I am not
> sure how/when or if she will use it. The choice is
> hers.
>
> I think that my children pick up the grammar they
> need just by
> talking, listening, reading, and writing. We also
> play made up
> games like verb charades, guess the noun (aka 20
> questions), and
> Jeopardy. We do this a couple of times a year when
> the mood strikes
> us. It seems to help them remember basic grammar
> terms.
>
> They also have a Schoolhouse Rock video that covers
> the basics in
> catchy songs. (Remember these from Saturday morning
> TV?)
>
> Alaura
>
>
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> > Hello,Learning "the parts of speech" is only a small part of grammar.
> > Can some unschoolers share how there children learn
> > Grammer(nouns,
> > verbs, adj etc) ?
There is no greater grammatical tool than being a native speaker who has been
encouraged to use language in the real world, who has the opportunity to hear
others speak well, in various situations, and who is surrounded by
language--in print, theatre, lyrics, jokes, etc.
Grammar, spelling, punctuation, and knowing when and how to paragraph are all
together are called "the mechanics of writing." (Those of you collecting
buzzwords for annual reports to states or school boards should keep that at
hand--"the mechanics of writing," and also keep "exposition" to use.
Expository writing is the factual sort of description, reporting,
comparison/contrast writing. And if a child is writing rules to a game, call
that technical writing. It is.)
There are some books called "The Transitive Vampire" and "The Well-Tempered
Sentence" by Karen Elizabeth Gordon which go through such rules in a fun way.
I use those, or Fowler's Modern English Useage when I want to look something
up. The Harbrace College Handbook can probably be found used at just about
any used bookstore (as can Fowler's, maybe, and the older editions of
Fowler's are really fun for people interested in English).
But cheap and fun are the sarcastic lists of rules, each of which breaks its
own rule. They go around as e-mail humor sometimes, so lots are on webpages.
I quoted a really long one below, but here are links to some shorter
versions. If you lose these, go to google.com and put in "don't use no
double negatives never" and you'll get lots of links.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Bistro/4611/goodwriting.html
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~kenny/misc/grammar.html
http://www.mapping.com/never2.html
HUMOROUS GRAMMAR RULES
1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.
2. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with. Winston Churchill,
corrected on this error once, responded to the young man who corrected him by
saying "Young man, that is the kind of impudence up with which I will not put!
3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.
4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.
5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)
6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.
7. Be more or less specific.
8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.
9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies endlessly over and over
again
10. No sentence fragments.
11. Contractions aren't always necessary and shouldn't be used to excess so
don’t.
12. Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.
13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly
superfluous and can be excessive
14. All generalizations are bad.
15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.
16. Don't use no double negatives.
17. Avoid excessive use of ampersands & abbrevs., etc.
18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.
19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake (Unless they are as
good as gold).
20. The passive voice is to be ignored.
21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words, however,
should be enclosed in commas.
22. Never use a big word when substituting a diminutive one would suffice.
23. Don’t overuse exclamation points!!!
24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.
25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking
ideas
26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed
and use it correctly with words’ that show possession.
27. Don’t use too many quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate
quotations.. Tell me what you know."
28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a billion times: Resist
hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. Besides,
hyperbole is always overdone, anyway.
29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.
30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.
31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.
32. Who needs rhetorical questions? However, what if there were no rhetorical
questions?
33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.
34. Avoid "buzz-words"; such integrated transitional scenarios complicate
simplistic matters
35. People don’t spell "a lot" correctly alot of the time.
36. Each person should use their possessive pronouns correctly
37. All grammar and spelling rules have exceptions (with a few exceptions)
....Morgan’s Law.
38. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.
39. The dash – a sometimes useful punctuation mark – can often be overused –
even though it’s a helpful tool some of the time.
40. Proofread carefully to make sure you don’t repeat repeat any words.
41. In writing, it’s important to remember that dangling sentences.
41. When numbering in a written document, check your numbering system
carefully.
42. It is important to use italics for emphasis sparingly.
43. In good writing, for good reasons, under normal circumstances, whenever
you can, use prepositional phrases in limited numbers and with great caution.
44. Avoid going out on tangents unrelated to your subject -- not the subject
of a sentence -- that's another story (like the stories written by Ernest
Hemingway, who by the way wrote the great fisherman story The Old Man and the
Sea).
45. Complete sentences. Like rule 10.
46. Unless you're a righteous expert don't try to be too cool with slang to
which you're not hip.
47. If you must use slang, avoid out-of-date slang. Right on!
48. You'll look poorly if you misuse adverbs.
49. Use the ellipsis ( . . . ) to indicate missing . . .
50. Use brackets to indicate that you [ not Shakespeare, for example ] are
giving people [ in your class ] information so that they [ the people in your
class ] know about whom you are speaking. But do not use brackets when making
these references [ to other authors ] excessively.
51. Note: People just can't stomach too much use of the colon.
52. Between good grammar and bad grammar, good grammar is the best.
53. There are so many great grammar rules that I can't decide between them.
54. In English, unlike German, the verb early in the sentence, not later,
should be placed.
55. When you write sentences, shifting verb tense is bad.
Sandra,
who has always loved writing, and who used to long ago teach English
(bonus split infinitive in the line above)
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Diane
Grammar terminology is also often encountered when learning a foreign language.
:-) Diane
Joseph Fuerst wrote:
:-) Diane
Joseph Fuerst wrote:
> Oh, perhaps you mean grammar terminology ;-)