clarifying my point~
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I HONESTLY DONT KNOW~ that is why i am asking??? DO YOU THINK unguided tv
watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior?? I
find myslef accepting things i see on t v every day a little more each
year...not happily i might add!!!!! I have had the kids i adopted since 5
weeks or 3 weeks old...but thier birth mothers were in at least 2 of their
lives for 4 years!!!! LOTS OF DAMAGE And fear still reigns....at night esp.
Strong independent thinkers come from kids who have never felt liek the
bottom dropped out of thier lives. Imagine being taken away from your
security....even if its scary you dont know it s scary til you learn new ways
of life@ foster home!!!!!!!! SO>........i am lucky and feel blessed that mine
are doing so well....there are many others who are not or cannot. I guess
adoption is another whole issue.....but in general! I ASK OF YOU!!!!! do you
think tv watching and seeing killing and even the WTC over and over lowers
our threshold?? I got very tired and sickened by seeing it over and over. as
did my kids. but ........its not so horrifying the 50th time....no question
about that.... i DO think tv is an issue....but i truly dont know if im
damaging my kids by letting them watch whatever they want.... they do
eventually turn off stuff.....or find better activities......Im asking for
opinions......P>S> ALL YOU WHO ARUGE ABOUT UNSCHOOLING???? read Linda
Dobson's book: Homeschoolers Success Stories and quit worrying! JUST DO
IT!!!!!!!! everyone is different...and no one has the right to define for
anyone else or judge!!!!! LET IT GO LET IT GO !SERENITY NOWWWWWWW as KRamer
says on Seinfeld! PLease~ im still trying to hang in there with all of
you????!!!! ~ Denise
watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior?? I
find myslef accepting things i see on t v every day a little more each
year...not happily i might add!!!!! I have had the kids i adopted since 5
weeks or 3 weeks old...but thier birth mothers were in at least 2 of their
lives for 4 years!!!! LOTS OF DAMAGE And fear still reigns....at night esp.
Strong independent thinkers come from kids who have never felt liek the
bottom dropped out of thier lives. Imagine being taken away from your
security....even if its scary you dont know it s scary til you learn new ways
of life@ foster home!!!!!!!! SO>........i am lucky and feel blessed that mine
are doing so well....there are many others who are not or cannot. I guess
adoption is another whole issue.....but in general! I ASK OF YOU!!!!! do you
think tv watching and seeing killing and even the WTC over and over lowers
our threshold?? I got very tired and sickened by seeing it over and over. as
did my kids. but ........its not so horrifying the 50th time....no question
about that.... i DO think tv is an issue....but i truly dont know if im
damaging my kids by letting them watch whatever they want.... they do
eventually turn off stuff.....or find better activities......Im asking for
opinions......P>S> ALL YOU WHO ARUGE ABOUT UNSCHOOLING???? read Linda
Dobson's book: Homeschoolers Success Stories and quit worrying! JUST DO
IT!!!!!!!! everyone is different...and no one has the right to define for
anyone else or judge!!!!! LET IT GO LET IT GO !SERENITY NOWWWWWWW as KRamer
says on Seinfeld! PLease~ im still trying to hang in there with all of
you????!!!! ~ Denise
Lilly
Every experience reaches us into our subconcious.
Wether it lowers our moral behavior is a differnt
question. That depends on the child. Here is an
example of what I mean . Some children watch power
rangers and parents became very huffy because of the
physical activy, they called violence. When I asked
children about what they thought of it I recieved so
many different responses. Some children took to the
phsical activity and others didn't. One child told me
he liked it because sometimes he like to kick the
people that hurt children and scince he can't he can
at least watch the t.v. and just imagine.
In regards to the question of Unguided tv. depends on
the child if he can differtiate between acting and
real world.
--- dmm5692@... wrote:
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Wether it lowers our moral behavior is a differnt
question. That depends on the child. Here is an
example of what I mean . Some children watch power
rangers and parents became very huffy because of the
physical activy, they called violence. When I asked
children about what they thought of it I recieved so
many different responses. Some children took to the
phsical activity and others didn't. One child told me
he liked it because sometimes he like to kick the
people that hurt children and scince he can't he can
at least watch the t.v. and just imagine.
In regards to the question of Unguided tv. depends on
the child if he can differtiate between acting and
real world.
--- dmm5692@... wrote:
> I HONESTLY DONT KNOW~ that is why i am asking??? DO__________________________________________________
> YOU THINK unguided tv
> watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the
> bar on moral beahvior?? I
> find myslef accepting things i see on t v every day
> a little more each
> year...not happily i might add!!!!! I have had the
> kids i adopted since 5
> weeks or 3 weeks old...but thier birth mothers were
> in at least 2 of their
> lives for 4 years!!!! LOTS OF DAMAGE And fear still
> reigns....at night esp.
> Strong independent thinkers come from kids who have
> never felt liek the
> bottom dropped out of thier lives. Imagine being
> taken away from your
> security....even if its scary you dont know it s
> scary til you learn new ways
> of life@ foster home!!!!!!!! SO>........i am lucky
> and feel blessed that mine
> are doing so well....there are many others who are
> not or cannot. I guess
> adoption is another whole issue.....but in general!
> I ASK OF YOU!!!!! do you
> think tv watching and seeing killing and even the
> WTC over and over lowers
> our threshold?? I got very tired and sickened by
> seeing it over and over. as
> did my kids. but ........its not so horrifying the
> 50th time....no question
> about that.... i DO think tv is an issue....but i
> truly dont know if im
> damaging my kids by letting them watch whatever they
> want.... they do
> eventually turn off stuff.....or find better
> activities......Im asking for
> opinions......P>S> ALL YOU WHO ARUGE ABOUT
> UNSCHOOLING???? read Linda
> Dobson's book: Homeschoolers Success Stories and
> quit worrying! JUST DO
> IT!!!!!!!! everyone is different...and no one has
> the right to define for
> anyone else or judge!!!!! LET IT GO LET IT GO
> !SERENITY NOWWWWWWW as KRamer
> says on Seinfeld! PLease~ im still trying to hang in
> there with all of
> you????!!!! ~ Denise
>
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Denise --
** Serenity now ** Serenity now ** -- I remember that one. :) Think I'll try
it as my mantra today.
You have an interesting question about TV viewing. I think about this when
the circus comes to town. (I hate the circus, but that's not my point.) I
wonder if kids are as excited about the circus as kids used to be or if it's
a big yawn because of the action and excitement they've been exposed to from
other sources. (TV, video games, movies.)
We live "back in the woods". No cable. As I said in an earlier post, my kids
have no limits or rules concerning TV or Nintendo or computer. But they don't
spend much time watching TV, they play Nintendo some, but ... I don't know.
My boys are 8 and 9. They move with the speed of light from one activity to
another. They skate in our basement, ride bikes on the trails and build forts
in the woods and read lots of "Calvin and Hobbes" and "Captain Underpants".
And have friends over regularly. Some days, they're on the computer for hours
playing Neopets. Other days, they don't even look at the computer. And they
eat an amazing amount of whatever-they-want, but don't carry an ounce of fat.
"Self regulating" seems to work for them!
Hey -- I envy them! Anyway, this is our family -- what works for us. My
daughter is 14. She's fantastic. Unschooling has made the biggest difference
in her life. (We pulled her out of school three years ago.) TV is not an
issue with her either. She likes that show -- what is it? -- medical examiner
-- um -- "Crossing Jordan". Sometimes we watch it together, sometimes she
watches it in her room. I have to get her some Patricia Cornwell and see if
she likes those.
Wow. This is boring, huh? Anyhoo ... just our story ...
Laura
** Serenity now ** Serenity now ** -- I remember that one. :) Think I'll try
it as my mantra today.
You have an interesting question about TV viewing. I think about this when
the circus comes to town. (I hate the circus, but that's not my point.) I
wonder if kids are as excited about the circus as kids used to be or if it's
a big yawn because of the action and excitement they've been exposed to from
other sources. (TV, video games, movies.)
We live "back in the woods". No cable. As I said in an earlier post, my kids
have no limits or rules concerning TV or Nintendo or computer. But they don't
spend much time watching TV, they play Nintendo some, but ... I don't know.
My boys are 8 and 9. They move with the speed of light from one activity to
another. They skate in our basement, ride bikes on the trails and build forts
in the woods and read lots of "Calvin and Hobbes" and "Captain Underpants".
And have friends over regularly. Some days, they're on the computer for hours
playing Neopets. Other days, they don't even look at the computer. And they
eat an amazing amount of whatever-they-want, but don't carry an ounce of fat.
"Self regulating" seems to work for them!
Hey -- I envy them! Anyway, this is our family -- what works for us. My
daughter is 14. She's fantastic. Unschooling has made the biggest difference
in her life. (We pulled her out of school three years ago.) TV is not an
issue with her either. She likes that show -- what is it? -- medical examiner
-- um -- "Crossing Jordan". Sometimes we watch it together, sometimes she
watches it in her room. I have to get her some Patricia Cornwell and see if
she likes those.
Wow. This is boring, huh? Anyhoo ... just our story ...
Laura
Kara Bauer
DO YOU THINK unguided tv
watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior?? >>
Honestly, no. I think tv gets extremely boring after sometime but then you move on to the next activity. Amazingly my sons have learned quite a lot lately watching Pokemon!
The one thing I can say is that ALL children are different, they all need different things and do different things.
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watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior?? >>
Honestly, no. I think tv gets extremely boring after sometime but then you move on to the next activity. Amazingly my sons have learned quite a lot lately watching Pokemon!
The one thing I can say is that ALL children are different, they all need different things and do different things.
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I also don't think that TV lowers the bar on moral behavior on a mentally &
physically healthy human being. I believe that for most people (most being
99% rather than 51%) TV is a perfectly innocuous tool. I hate commercials,
because their JOB is to make me feel inadequate and want what they tell me I
need. I am not a big TV person by my standards, from my best friend's
standards I probably watch way too much! But that is more in the time
watching TV rather than the content. I believe that there is far MORE good
content than bad (bad meaning things that make me sad, angry, insecure etc.)
I tend to be a sitcom person becasue I like the humor. I like Star Trek: TNG
becasue it si pretty unreal. I am not a fan of the new reality series but my
14 yo LOVES them. (I guess COPS is reality based, more so than Love cruise
(or as I call it floating codependant orgy show)
I strongly believe that humans will naturally gravitate towards things that
make them feel BETTER about themselves and their lives and if TV makes them
feel bad, they will eventually accept that and move on to other things, some
people may take longer than others but barring any negative influences, they
will move on.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
physically healthy human being. I believe that for most people (most being
99% rather than 51%) TV is a perfectly innocuous tool. I hate commercials,
because their JOB is to make me feel inadequate and want what they tell me I
need. I am not a big TV person by my standards, from my best friend's
standards I probably watch way too much! But that is more in the time
watching TV rather than the content. I believe that there is far MORE good
content than bad (bad meaning things that make me sad, angry, insecure etc.)
I tend to be a sitcom person becasue I like the humor. I like Star Trek: TNG
becasue it si pretty unreal. I am not a fan of the new reality series but my
14 yo LOVES them. (I guess COPS is reality based, more so than Love cruise
(or as I call it floating codependant orgy show)
I strongly believe that humans will naturally gravitate towards things that
make them feel BETTER about themselves and their lives and if TV makes them
feel bad, they will eventually accept that and move on to other things, some
people may take longer than others but barring any negative influences, they
will move on.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
Cindy
dmm5692@... wrote:
show that lots of major crimes are lower in number, yet most people feel
less safe. Why? Could it be that the local nightly news finds the most
gruesome story they can to lead off their newscast? (Even if they have to
find it hundreds of miles away...)
I don't allow unguided TV watching for my children. They mostly watch
PBS kids and Nick Jr. shows. If there are other shows on that we don't
consider harmful, they can see them - Megan watched Modern Masters on
HGTV last night. I don't let her watch much Carol Duvall though since
Carol is such a "poor, incompetent me" person (or was the last time I
watched it).
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>I think it can desensitize people. It can feed fear - the crime stats
> I HONESTLY DONT KNOW~ that is why i am asking??? DO YOU THINK unguided tv
> watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior??
>
show that lots of major crimes are lower in number, yet most people feel
less safe. Why? Could it be that the local nightly news finds the most
gruesome story they can to lead off their newscast? (Even if they have to
find it hundreds of miles away...)
I don't allow unguided TV watching for my children. They mostly watch
PBS kids and Nick Jr. shows. If there are other shows on that we don't
consider harmful, they can see them - Megan watched Modern Masters on
HGTV last night. I don't let her watch much Carol Duvall though since
Carol is such a "poor, incompetent me" person (or was the last time I
watched it).
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
Kolleen
>dmm5692@... wrote:I think this falls into some realm of age-appropriateness.
> I HONESTLY DONT KNOW~ that is why i am asking??? DO YOU THINK unguided tv
> watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior??
If a kid can understand the difference between actors, storylines and
hollywood, and you have discussed this understanding, then TV is an
awesome tool to enhance one's imagination.
If a child can't determine the difference, then the scope of what they
watched might need to be limited.
When 911 happened, and we live in NYC, my son was 5. We never told him it
was real. At that age, it wasn't necessary to allow that fear into his
life. His fears are limited to crossing the street and possibility of
kidnappings BUT not at the price of being allowed to live and play like
children should. In other words it isn't the main crux of our outings,
but he needs to know they exist.
I remember either reading, or hearing on TV a mom saying that her 5yo saw
the 911 clips and said 'how cool!' so she was upset and preceeded to tell
him of all the kids that lost their parents and the tragedy behind it etc.
This sounded wrong, IMNSHO, for the reasons that this child didn't need
to know this. He didn't need to bring it into his world YET. I felt very
sad for that child.
When we watch adult type TV or sci-fi, fantasy etc, my son and I always
talk about it being actors, or special effects and we talk about how the
camera might do something. And with this, he doesn't seem to be affected
by it. We watch the movie Xmen and talk about it as fantasy. Same with
LOTR and other cool shows.
*Although* he seems to be bothered by the fact that the Trix kids never
share with the Rabbit; we might have to write a letter to the company
about that *smile*.
The only news we do talk about, since he doesnt' watch it, is the ones
that affects him at this age. As he gets older, that will expand along
with his ability to move about the town.
regards,
kolleen
"People take different roads seeking
fulfillment and happiness. Just
because they're not on your road
doesn't mean they've gotten lost."
-H. Jackson Brown, Jr.
Lynda
Of course it does. Anyone who says any different doesn't want to face
reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real thing.
If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost crashed,"
etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never seen
a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
punches pulled.
One good example is medical personnel. The first time they see someone
bleeding out or a dead body, it is traumatic. A few years down the road and
it is no longer as traumatic and for some folks not traumatic at all.
Lynda
reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real thing.
If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost crashed,"
etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never seen
a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
punches pulled.
One good example is medical personnel. The first time they see someone
bleeding out or a dead body, it is traumatic. A few years down the road and
it is no longer as traumatic and for some folks not traumatic at all.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmm5692@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
> I HONESTLY DONT KNOW~ that is why i am asking??? DO YOU THINK unguided tv
> watching goes into the subconscious and lowers the bar on moral beahvior??
I
> find myslef accepting things i see on t v every day a little more each
> year...not happily i might add!!!!! I have had the kids i adopted since 5
> weeks or 3 weeks old...but thier birth mothers were in at least 2 of their
> lives for 4 years!!!! LOTS OF DAMAGE And fear still reigns....at night
esp.
> Strong independent thinkers come from kids who have never felt liek the
> bottom dropped out of thier lives. Imagine being taken away from your
> security....even if its scary you dont know it s scary til you learn new
ways
> of life@ foster home!!!!!!!! SO>........i am lucky and feel blessed that
mine
> are doing so well....there are many others who are not or cannot. I guess
> adoption is another whole issue.....but in general! I ASK OF YOU!!!!! do
you
> think tv watching and seeing killing and even the WTC over and over lowers
> our threshold?? I got very tired and sickened by seeing it over and over.
as
> did my kids. but ........its not so horrifying the 50th time....no
question
> about that.... i DO think tv is an issue....but i truly dont know if im
> damaging my kids by letting them watch whatever they want.... they do
> eventually turn off stuff.....or find better activities......Im asking for
> opinions......P>S> ALL YOU WHO ARUGE ABOUT UNSCHOOLING???? read Linda
> Dobson's book: Homeschoolers Success Stories and quit worrying! JUST DO
> IT!!!!!!!! everyone is different...and no one has the right to define for
> anyone else or judge!!!!! LET IT GO LET IT GO !SERENITY NOWWWWWWW as
KRamer
> says on Seinfeld! PLease~ im still trying to hang in there with all of
> you????!!!! ~ Denise
>
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Kara Bauer
When 911 happened, and we live in NYC, my son was 5. We never told him it
was real. At that age, it wasn't necessary to allow that fear into his
life. His fears are limited to crossing the street and possibility of
kidnappings BUT not at the price of being allowed to live and play like
children should. In other words it isn't the main crux of our outings,
but he needs to know they exist.>>
I have a different view point on this, I think that each child should be 'looked' (for lack of of a better word) at individually. My youngest couldn't handle seeing something such as 9/11 or even Monsters Inc., he is just sensitive and gets scared easily. My older son however has seen things, such as Star Wars or 9/11 and is able to process the information in a different way. He talks through a lot of things. He to this day still talks about the fire we had over a year ago, they are just different. For us, it would have felt wrong to not let him know the truth (instead of him just seeing that his mommy was upset and not knowing why).
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was real. At that age, it wasn't necessary to allow that fear into his
life. His fears are limited to crossing the street and possibility of
kidnappings BUT not at the price of being allowed to live and play like
children should. In other words it isn't the main crux of our outings,
but he needs to know they exist.>>
I have a different view point on this, I think that each child should be 'looked' (for lack of of a better word) at individually. My youngest couldn't handle seeing something such as 9/11 or even Monsters Inc., he is just sensitive and gets scared easily. My older son however has seen things, such as Star Wars or 9/11 and is able to process the information in a different way. He talks through a lot of things. He to this day still talks about the fire we had over a year ago, they are just different. For us, it would have felt wrong to not let him know the truth (instead of him just seeing that his mommy was upset and not knowing why).
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Kara Bauer
Of course it does. Anyone who says any different doesn't want to face
reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real thing.>>
Could you explain to me what you mean by desensitizing? What I am taking from it is that if you see it is easier to do it (?). Like if a child played gun play it would be easier to kill someone...
If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost crashed,"
etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never seen
a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
punches pulled.>>
Seeing cars crash into each other, like Monster Truck Derby or something of the sort is not going to make you think most people, especially children, think 'oh cool' when they see a car crash in real life. I just don't agree with that at all.
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reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real thing.>>
Could you explain to me what you mean by desensitizing? What I am taking from it is that if you see it is easier to do it (?). Like if a child played gun play it would be easier to kill someone...
If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost crashed,"
etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never seen
a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
punches pulled.>>
Seeing cars crash into each other, like Monster Truck Derby or something of the sort is not going to make you think most people, especially children, think 'oh cool' when they see a car crash in real life. I just don't agree with that at all.
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Lynda
I was referring to shows such as cops, not going to the local fairgrounds
and watching Big Foot or a demolition derby.
Here's another example of desensitizing. If you grow up in some large
Italian or Irish families, screaming, hollering, yelling, arguing, etc. are
the norm. You don't even notice when someone raises their voices. You are
desensitized. If you bring someone into that type family who has been
raised in a quiet, mellow-type family, they notice every little inflection
and frequently think folks must hate each other.
Lynda
and watching Big Foot or a demolition derby.
Here's another example of desensitizing. If you grow up in some large
Italian or Irish families, screaming, hollering, yelling, arguing, etc. are
the norm. You don't even notice when someone raises their voices. You are
desensitized. If you bring someone into that type family who has been
raised in a quiet, mellow-type family, they notice every little inflection
and frequently think folks must hate each other.
Lynda
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From: "Kara Bauer" <KaraBauer4@...>
To: "Unschooling-dotcom" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
> Of course it does. Anyone who says any different doesn't want to face
> reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
> helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
> form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real
thing.>>
>
> Could you explain to me what you mean by desensitizing? What I am taking
from it is that if you see it is easier to do it (?). Like if a child played
gun play it would be easier to kill someone...
>
> If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
> getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost
crashed,"
> etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never
seen
> a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
> punches pulled.>>
>
> Seeing cars crash into each other, like Monster Truck Derby or something
of the sort is not going to make you think most people, especially children,
think 'oh cool' when they see a car crash in real life. I just don't agree
with that at all.
>
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Lynda,
I'm really not picking here but again I disagree. I grew up in just that family, and it had nothing to do with being Greek. My mother was just abusive, and luckily for me it did not desensitize me, it actually helped me to be a better parent for my children.
Kara
I'm really not picking here but again I disagree. I grew up in just that family, and it had nothing to do with being Greek. My mother was just abusive, and luckily for me it did not desensitize me, it actually helped me to be a better parent for my children.
Kara
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I was referring to shows such as cops, not going to the local fairgrounds
and watching Big Foot or a demolition derby.
Here's another example of desensitizing. If you grow up in some large
Italian or Irish families, screaming, hollering, yelling, arguing, etc. are
the norm. You don't even notice when someone raises their voices. You are
desensitized. If you bring someone into that type family who has been
raised in a quiet, mellow-type family, they notice every little inflection
and frequently think folks must hate each other.
Lynda
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From: "Kara Bauer" <KaraBauer4@...>
To: "Unschooling-dotcom" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
> Of course it does. Anyone who says any different doesn't want to face
> reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly that
> helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in one
> form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real
thing.>>
>
> Could you explain to me what you mean by desensitizing? What I am taking
from it is that if you see it is easier to do it (?). Like if a child played
gun play it would be easier to kill someone...
>
> If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
> getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost
crashed,"
> etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never
seen
> a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
> punches pulled.>>
>
> Seeing cars crash into each other, like Monster Truck Derby or something
of the sort is not going to make you think most people, especially children,
think 'oh cool' when they see a car crash in real life. I just don't agree
with that at all.
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Kara, being loud has nothing to do with being abusive. The Italian and
Irish families I grew up around (same applies to the ones hubby grew up in
and around on the opposite coast) were definately not abusive. They were
simply loud and never noticed that they were loud.
And, again, everyone is an individual. "Some" react that way but the
majority, in your situation, grow up to be abusers since they were
desensitized to it and think it is the norm.
So you are the exception to the rule, which is good!
Lynda
Irish families I grew up around (same applies to the ones hubby grew up in
and around on the opposite coast) were definately not abusive. They were
simply loud and never noticed that they were loud.
And, again, everyone is an individual. "Some" react that way but the
majority, in your situation, grow up to be abusers since they were
desensitized to it and think it is the norm.
So you are the exception to the rule, which is good!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kara Bauer" <KaraBauer4@...>
To: "Unschooling-dotcom" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
> Lynda,
> I'm really not picking here but again I disagree. I grew up in just that
family, and it had nothing to do with being Greek. My mother was just
abusive, and luckily for me it did not desensitize me, it actually helped me
to be a better parent for my children.
> Kara
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lynda
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:15 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
>
> I was referring to shows such as cops, not going to the local fairgrounds
> and watching Big Foot or a demolition derby.
>
> Here's another example of desensitizing. If you grow up in some large
> Italian or Irish families, screaming, hollering, yelling, arguing, etc.
are
> the norm. You don't even notice when someone raises their voices. You
are
> desensitized. If you bring someone into that type family who has been
> raised in a quiet, mellow-type family, they notice every little inflection
> and frequently think folks must hate each other.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kara Bauer" <KaraBauer4@...>
> To: "Unschooling-dotcom" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] clarifying my point~
>
>
> > Of course it does. Anyone who says any different doesn't want to face
> > reality. yes you can sit and discuss things with kids and supposedly
that
> > helps them but if they see death in one form or another or violence in
one
> > form or another on a daily basis, it desensitizes them to the real
> thing.>>
> >
> > Could you explain to me what you mean by desensitizing? What I am taking
> from it is that if you see it is easier to do it (?). Like if a child
played
> gun play it would be easier to kill someone...
> >
> > If you see car chases on television and they are "fun" and everyone is
> > getting excited by them, "wow, look at that," "ooooh, they almost
> crashed,"
> > etc., the real thing is not going to be as dramatic. If you have never
> seen
> > a car crash and witness one for the first time IRL, it is dramatic, no
> > punches pulled.>>
> >
> > Seeing cars crash into each other, like Monster Truck Derby or something
> of the sort is not going to make you think most people, especially
children,
> think 'oh cool' when they see a car crash in real life. I just don't agree
> with that at all.
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Lynda said:
"Some" react that way but the
majority, in your situation, grow up to be abusers since they were
desensitized to it and think it is the norm.
**I just want to be sure I understand what you wrote.Are you saying that the
majority of people who grow up in a home where loudtalking/hollering is
normal grow up to be abusers?.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein
"Some" react that way but the
majority, in your situation, grow up to be abusers since they were
desensitized to it and think it is the norm.
**I just want to be sure I understand what you wrote.Are you saying that the
majority of people who grow up in a home where loudtalking/hollering is
normal grow up to be abusers?.
~Elissa Cleaveland
"It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction
have
not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry." A. Einstein