Re: dialects and suchlike
Carlson Family
Well, here I sit on my high horse, and as
-a "born-in-Canada" (Ottawa, precisely) person
-of primarily British descent (who fondly remembers a cockney granny who'd be
112 this year),
-who worked and studied acting in New York for three years;
-who took a bunch of linguistics courses as an undergraduate in Toronto,
-who got another degree in education and certification as an English and Drama
teacher (eeeuww!!),
-who then lived in B.C. for five years,
-who followed that with six years in Kitchener (in the dreaded "area relatively
close to Toronto"),
-is now living in Toronto again (for a running lifetime total, so far, of about
fifteen years),
-with an American husband who hails from South Dakota,
-and who rarely, if ever, says "eh?" at the end of an utterance
I feel both obliged and qualified to jump defensively into this fray.
***
Tia, you wrote from the wet coast
me, too. Before we lived there, I assumed that it was simply because all of my
friends' kids had at least one parent (and grandparent) from California.
*****
diverse cities in the world. Even little German settled Kitchener has growing
and largish Somalian and Portuguese communities, among others.
***
any other, though I don't hang around the Tim Horton's in Oakville much, so I
may have missed something (insert "all in good fun" or "just joshing" emoticon
here). And as Dona wrote, we have as many regional variants in Canada as do
y'all south of the border.
I've not heard, either, of "Oxford" English being touted as superior, although
"RP", Received Pronunciation, has been taught in British acting and broadcasting
schools as the "standard", as has Standard American in the United States.
Actors here in Canada who haven't learned these standard forms take classes to
improve their employability. American movies require American accents. No,
that's not true, sometimes they want folks to sound as if they might come from
Newfoundland, or have a trace of a Yiddish accent (and for that, Montreal or
Toronto can be as authentic as New York).
I have met individuals in places east and west, Canadian and American, who
believe that the way they talk is right, and who chuckle at the peculiar
linguistic ways of folks from other areas..
I lived with someone from Waterbury, Connecticut once, who moaned every time a
British movie came on television. He said he couldn't understand a word. His
family (which emigrated from Italy when he was three years old) laughed at the
way I talked, too.
My husband, an intelligent, well educated actor type carries with him from
childhood the traces of a belief that folks with English accents are a little
stuck up. His ear isn't always quick to pick up class and regional differences
in those speakers. My friends and I were raised in a hotbed of ex-pat Brits in
post-war Ottawa, even if our own parents were born in Canada, and our ears
absorbed all of those sounds.
My husband's aunt, who was raised in South Dakota and settled into a teaching
career in Arkansas as a young woman, used to ask me to repeat things on the
telephone because I sounded so "cute".
***
So what's my point? I don't even know, except that generalizations bug me
(insert "I'm being jolly, please don't think I'm a mean person" emoticon here).
I take immense joy in the diversity around me every day, even though I live in
southern Ontario. I enjoyed it even when I was actually working as an English
teacher.
The only place I've been pressured to change my dialect was at acting school in
New York, where we were all required to learn and use Standard American. And
everyone was tsked and chuckled at, no matter where on the continent they came
from, because we all had unfortunate regionalisms and defects ripe for rooting
out.
****
AND ANOTHER THING.......now I'm on the wrong side of 45, I find that EVERYBODY
mumbles, and all recent movies and television shows have perverse sound
technicians who seem to be mixing the voices farther and farther back, just to
make my life, and the life of all older people, more difficult. To say nothing
of young whippersnapper actors whose entire characterizations seem to consist of
turning perfectly good text into mush and gobbledygook.
*****
Oh, geeze, namaste everybody and have a great day!
Cranky Joan,
in Toronto (who doesn't say Trawnuh, and whose own dear son has been teased
for articulating inappropriately and overenthusiastically for the situation,
which he didn't do because he was "stuck up", honestly)
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-a "born-in-Canada" (Ottawa, precisely) person
-of primarily British descent (who fondly remembers a cockney granny who'd be
112 this year),
-who worked and studied acting in New York for three years;
-who took a bunch of linguistics courses as an undergraduate in Toronto,
-who got another degree in education and certification as an English and Drama
teacher (eeeuww!!),
-who then lived in B.C. for five years,
-who followed that with six years in Kitchener (in the dreaded "area relatively
close to Toronto"),
-is now living in Toronto again (for a running lifetime total, so far, of about
fifteen years),
-with an American husband who hails from South Dakota,
-and who rarely, if ever, says "eh?" at the end of an utterance
I feel both obliged and qualified to jump defensively into this fray.
***
Tia, you wrote from the wet coast
> And I should add that I sound pretty much like all the born-in-Canadawhich made me giggle, because west coast raised folks sound like Californians to
> people who live around me.
>
me, too. Before we lived there, I assumed that it was simply because all of my
friends' kids had at least one parent (and grandparent) from California.
*****
> I ask because I've run across this attitude (which I find quite amusing,I don't know much about Oakville, but Toronto is one of the most culturally
> no I don't take it to heart) in the area relative close to Toronto,
> Oakville to be exact. Mostly settled by the English and predominantly
> still very much that way.
>
diverse cities in the world. Even little German settled Kitchener has growing
and largish Somalian and Portuguese communities, among others.
***
> >Although, while in Canada recently, someone mentioned to me aboutI can't say as how I've run into this attitude much in this region any more than
> how THEIR dialect was correct because it was the closest to 'Oxford'
> english.. how silly eh? :-)
>
any other, though I don't hang around the Tim Horton's in Oakville much, so I
may have missed something (insert "all in good fun" or "just joshing" emoticon
here). And as Dona wrote, we have as many regional variants in Canada as do
y'all south of the border.
I've not heard, either, of "Oxford" English being touted as superior, although
"RP", Received Pronunciation, has been taught in British acting and broadcasting
schools as the "standard", as has Standard American in the United States.
Actors here in Canada who haven't learned these standard forms take classes to
improve their employability. American movies require American accents. No,
that's not true, sometimes they want folks to sound as if they might come from
Newfoundland, or have a trace of a Yiddish accent (and for that, Montreal or
Toronto can be as authentic as New York).
I have met individuals in places east and west, Canadian and American, who
believe that the way they talk is right, and who chuckle at the peculiar
linguistic ways of folks from other areas..
I lived with someone from Waterbury, Connecticut once, who moaned every time a
British movie came on television. He said he couldn't understand a word. His
family (which emigrated from Italy when he was three years old) laughed at the
way I talked, too.
My husband, an intelligent, well educated actor type carries with him from
childhood the traces of a belief that folks with English accents are a little
stuck up. His ear isn't always quick to pick up class and regional differences
in those speakers. My friends and I were raised in a hotbed of ex-pat Brits in
post-war Ottawa, even if our own parents were born in Canada, and our ears
absorbed all of those sounds.
My husband's aunt, who was raised in South Dakota and settled into a teaching
career in Arkansas as a young woman, used to ask me to repeat things on the
telephone because I sounded so "cute".
***
So what's my point? I don't even know, except that generalizations bug me
(insert "I'm being jolly, please don't think I'm a mean person" emoticon here).
I take immense joy in the diversity around me every day, even though I live in
southern Ontario. I enjoyed it even when I was actually working as an English
teacher.
The only place I've been pressured to change my dialect was at acting school in
New York, where we were all required to learn and use Standard American. And
everyone was tsked and chuckled at, no matter where on the continent they came
from, because we all had unfortunate regionalisms and defects ripe for rooting
out.
****
AND ANOTHER THING.......now I'm on the wrong side of 45, I find that EVERYBODY
mumbles, and all recent movies and television shows have perverse sound
technicians who seem to be mixing the voices farther and farther back, just to
make my life, and the life of all older people, more difficult. To say nothing
of young whippersnapper actors whose entire characterizations seem to consist of
turning perfectly good text into mush and gobbledygook.
*****
Oh, geeze, namaste everybody and have a great day!
Cranky Joan,
in Toronto (who doesn't say Trawnuh, and whose own dear son has been teased
for articulating inappropriately and overenthusiastically for the situation,
which he didn't do because he was "stuck up", honestly)
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rumpleteasermom
So does that mean Nova Scotia is on the Dry Coast?
tee hee hee. I couldn't resist. Sorry!
Bridget
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wrote:
tee hee hee. I couldn't resist. Sorry!
Bridget
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wrote:
> Tia, you wrote from the wet coast
>
Tia Leschke
>So does that mean Nova Scotia is on the Dry Coast?A lot drier than this one. <g> The boys have played *one* soccer game
>
>tee hee hee. I couldn't resist. Sorry!
since before Christmas. The rain doesn't stop them, but they aren't
allowed on the fields when they're too wet.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
rumpleteasermom
I'm in Ohio. The saying here is, "If you don't like the weather, wait
ten minutes. It'll change." We went from 60 and sunny to 30, cloudy
and snowing in less than 12 hours this week. NOT FUN.
Bridget
ten minutes. It'll change." We went from 60 and sunny to 30, cloudy
and snowing in less than 12 hours this week. NOT FUN.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> A lot drier than this one. <g> The boys have played *one* soccer
game
> since before Christmas. The rain doesn't stop them, but they aren't
> allowed on the fields when they're too wet.
> Tia
Lynda
I'd call it the Frozen Coast <g>
Lynda
Lynda
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: dialects and suchlike
> So does that mean Nova Scotia is on the Dry Coast?
>
> tee hee hee. I couldn't resist. Sorry!
>
> Bridget
>
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> wrote:
>
> > Tia, you wrote from the wet coast
> >
>
>
>
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psam ordener
> I'm in Ohio. The saying here is, "If you don't like the weather, waitWe say that in Texas, too. A couple of days ago we were wearing shorts and
> ten minutes. It'll change." We went from 60 and sunny to 30, cloudy
> and snowing in less than 12 hours this week. NOT FUN.
it was 70+ degrees. Next morning the low temp was 26 degrees! - frigid for
us (first freeze we've had this winter).
The weird thing is, Spring starts here on February 1. Nobody had winter
clothes out any more when the freeze hit!
Today the high was in the 60s again, but a front is moving in and they say
we'll be in the 20s Sunday morning again.
And this is global warming????
psam
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rumpleteasermom
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to be slightly different. People got used to putting there warm
clothes up in February and getting their spring stuff out. The fact
that you can't rely on the weather to cooperate anymore IS a symptom
of global warming.
I wish they would find a better word for it. People seem to think
that it means every place on the planet will get warmer
simultaneously. That's not what is happening. The overall average
temperature is rising (and no reputable scientist says otherwise
anymore). This is causing climate CHANGE. Some areas may even get
cooler. Some like Ohio will get less predictable but milder overall.
Storm patterns will change.
And the problem is that some people cannot disassociate the debate
over WHETHER it is happening (even the Rebublicans are starting to
admit it) from the one about WHY it is happening. And the majority of
average citizens don't understand a lot of what they read about it and
don't take the time to investigate it fully to understand.
Bridget
>Well, yes actually it is. Obviously, in your region the climate used
> And this is global warming????
>
to be slightly different. People got used to putting there warm
clothes up in February and getting their spring stuff out. The fact
that you can't rely on the weather to cooperate anymore IS a symptom
of global warming.
I wish they would find a better word for it. People seem to think
that it means every place on the planet will get warmer
simultaneously. That's not what is happening. The overall average
temperature is rising (and no reputable scientist says otherwise
anymore). This is causing climate CHANGE. Some areas may even get
cooler. Some like Ohio will get less predictable but milder overall.
Storm patterns will change.
And the problem is that some people cannot disassociate the debate
over WHETHER it is happening (even the Rebublicans are starting to
admit it) from the one about WHY it is happening. And the majority of
average citizens don't understand a lot of what they read about it and
don't take the time to investigate it fully to understand.
Bridget
psam ordener
> I wish they would find a better word for it. People seem to thinkI wouldn't say that - I read a lot of science magazines (National
> that it means every place on the planet will get warmer
> simultaneously. That's not what is happening. The overall average
> temperature is rising (and no reputable scientist says otherwise
> anymore).
Geographic, Scientific American, Science News, for instance) and what I read
is that there is still disagreement over whether the overall average
temperature is rising.
If it is, this may be a "normal" thing for the world. Core samples from ice
caps indicate that sudden climate changes are "normal" for Earth.
"Global warming" has come to mean - "humans are ruining the world and
causing this change" and there is definite disagreement among reputable
scientists about the cause of the perceived temperature change.
psam
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Leslie
<.................I wouldn't say that - I read a lot of science magazines (National Geographic, Scientific American, Science News, for instance) and what I read is that there is still disagreement over whether the overall average temperature is rising................>
I think that this is a common myth that people are compelled to perpetuate for comforts sake. Here are two of the sources you've sighted, the National Geographic and Scientific American. I don't think you'll feel comfortable with your pronouncement once you've reviewed the material.
http://riptide.nationalgeographic.com/query.html?rq=0&qc=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&qt=global%20warming
http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm
<.......there is definite disagreement among reputable scientists about the cause of the perceived temperature change..............>
I'm sure your right, there is definite disagreement about the causes and the potential risks, of any human activity, that contributes to the effect, but there is no dispute, that global warming is a reality and that we're not certain of the implications. We feel/are relatively helpless and we're the ones who are responsible. I guess it's pretty hard to wrap your head around all that but I fall on the side of the environmentalists and the conservationists. I'd like to see human life continue on this planet for ever and ever and ever.......
Leslie
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I think that this is a common myth that people are compelled to perpetuate for comforts sake. Here are two of the sources you've sighted, the National Geographic and Scientific American. I don't think you'll feel comfortable with your pronouncement once you've reviewed the material.
http://riptide.nationalgeographic.com/query.html?rq=0&qc=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&qt=global%20warming
http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm
<.......there is definite disagreement among reputable scientists about the cause of the perceived temperature change..............>
I'm sure your right, there is definite disagreement about the causes and the potential risks, of any human activity, that contributes to the effect, but there is no dispute, that global warming is a reality and that we're not certain of the implications. We feel/are relatively helpless and we're the ones who are responsible. I guess it's pretty hard to wrap your head around all that but I fall on the side of the environmentalists and the conservationists. I'd like to see human life continue on this planet for ever and ever and ever.......
Leslie
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TheQueen
Leslie wrote:<I think that this is a common myth that people are compelled to perpetuate for comforts sake. Here are two of the sources you've sighted, the National Geographic and Scientific American. I don't think you'll feel comfortable with your pronouncement once you've reviewed the material.
http://riptide.nationalgeographic.com/query.html?rq=0&qc=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&qt=global%20warming
http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm>
The myth is also perpetuated by our current leadership, GW himself. It's sad to think that our leaders don't consider Global Warming to be a real problem! The scientific data is there, as you have pointed out. You only have to read it and open your eyes to see the evidence all around us.
Sarah
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http://riptide.nationalgeographic.com/query.html?rq=0&qc=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=0&qt=global%20warming
http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm>
The myth is also perpetuated by our current leadership, GW himself. It's sad to think that our leaders don't consider Global Warming to be a real problem! The scientific data is there, as you have pointed out. You only have to read it and open your eyes to see the evidence all around us.
Sarah
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Lynda
O.K., so leave out the global warming thing. What about just plain harm to
the earth. NO scientist can say that acid rain, chemically polluted air and
water or poisoning of the ground from pesticides and fertilizers is
something that has happened before. Bottomline, whether it relates to the
warming or not, we, the inhabitants of this earth, are killing it and
ourselves.
Lynda
the earth. NO scientist can say that acid rain, chemically polluted air and
water or poisoning of the ground from pesticides and fertilizers is
something that has happened before. Bottomline, whether it relates to the
warming or not, we, the inhabitants of this earth, are killing it and
ourselves.
Lynda
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From: "psam ordener" <psamo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: dialects and suchlike
>
> > I wish they would find a better word for it. People seem to think
> > that it means every place on the planet will get warmer
> > simultaneously. That's not what is happening. The overall average
> > temperature is rising (and no reputable scientist says otherwise
> > anymore).
>
> I wouldn't say that - I read a lot of science magazines (National
> Geographic, Scientific American, Science News, for instance) and what I
read
> is that there is still disagreement over whether the overall average
> temperature is rising.
>
> If it is, this may be a "normal" thing for the world. Core samples from
ice
> caps indicate that sudden climate changes are "normal" for Earth.
>
> "Global warming" has come to mean - "humans are ruining the world and
> causing this change" and there is definite disagreement among reputable
> scientists about the cause of the perceived temperature change.
>
> psam
> psamo@...
>
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>
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Lynda
There is a difference between believing something and choosing not to
believe it because it is in conflict with our big $$$ backers corporate
interests!
And why should we be surprised. That supposed energy crisis was nicely
manipulated by this same administration. And who ultimately pays, the poor
working stiffs who loose their whole retirement! Certainly not the big boys
who got $60 mil plus out!
Lynda
believe it because it is in conflict with our big $$$ backers corporate
interests!
And why should we be surprised. That supposed energy crisis was nicely
manipulated by this same administration. And who ultimately pays, the poor
working stiffs who loose their whole retirement! Certainly not the big boys
who got $60 mil plus out!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "TheQueen" <puddles@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: dialects and suchlike
> Leslie wrote:<I think that this is a common myth that people are compelled
to perpetuate for comforts sake. Here are two of the sources you've sighted,
the National Geographic and Scientific American. I don't think you'll feel
comfortable with your pronouncement once you've reviewed the material.
>
>
http://riptide.nationalgeographic.com/query.html?rq=0&qc=&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk
=1&rf=0&qt=global%20warming
>
> http://www.sciam.com/index.cfm>
>
> The myth is also perpetuated by our current leadership, GW himself. It's
sad to think that our leaders don't consider Global Warming to be a real
problem! The scientific data is there, as you have pointed out. You only
have to read it and open your eyes to see the evidence all around us.
> Sarah
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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psam ordener
When we first heard about global warming, proponents of the theory cited
satellite data.
There were serious problems with the satellite data (my DH is one of those
who reviewed satellite data for a living for NASA); overall, removing the
impact of cities on the data, it showed a definite cooling trend.
Now they've dropped mention of the satellite data, and using other stuff to
prove their point. It reminds me of statistics - you can prove almost
anything you want to with statistics, on both sides of a question, depending
on how you manipulate the figures.
I do believe that this is probably a natural phenomenom. It may be
uncomfortable for humanity, but Earth has its own rhythms, its own cycles,
and we either adapt and live with it or die off. That's the natural way.
psam
psamo@...
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satellite data.
There were serious problems with the satellite data (my DH is one of those
who reviewed satellite data for a living for NASA); overall, removing the
impact of cities on the data, it showed a definite cooling trend.
Now they've dropped mention of the satellite data, and using other stuff to
prove their point. It reminds me of statistics - you can prove almost
anything you want to with statistics, on both sides of a question, depending
on how you manipulate the figures.
I do believe that this is probably a natural phenomenom. It may be
uncomfortable for humanity, but Earth has its own rhythms, its own cycles,
and we either adapt and live with it or die off. That's the natural way.
psam
psamo@...
Motherhood - not just a job, it's an Adventure!
Leslie
<.........I do believe that this is probably a natural phenomenom. It may be uncomfortable for humanity, but Earth has its own rhythms, its own cycles, and we either adapt and live with it or die off. That's the natural way..................................>
But did you read any of the information in the articles from National Geographic or Scientific American, two sources you have confidence in?. The choice to save our species is in our hands and if we all adopt your attitude we're destined to let a few short sighted industrialists destroy our ecosystem. Now that we're mothers, we can't in good conscience, let "nature?" take it's course!
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But did you read any of the information in the articles from National Geographic or Scientific American, two sources you have confidence in?. The choice to save our species is in our hands and if we all adopt your attitude we're destined to let a few short sighted industrialists destroy our ecosystem. Now that we're mothers, we can't in good conscience, let "nature?" take it's course!
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Lynda
How in the world would you remove the impact of cities. That is like saying
that you aren't going to count the frosting on a cupcake towards the
cupcake's calories. the impact of a city is not limited to the space it
occupies. Now that would really be called manipulating data to make the
statistics say what you want them to.
And there isn't anything natural about industrial output or vehicle
emissions or nuclear testing or clear cutting forest or the miriad of other
things we do to the plant.
The only way to let a "natural" cycle occur is to remove what is unnatural
and that would be all the garbage created by humankind.
Lynda
that you aren't going to count the frosting on a cupcake towards the
cupcake's calories. the impact of a city is not limited to the space it
occupies. Now that would really be called manipulating data to make the
statistics say what you want them to.
And there isn't anything natural about industrial output or vehicle
emissions or nuclear testing or clear cutting forest or the miriad of other
things we do to the plant.
The only way to let a "natural" cycle occur is to remove what is unnatural
and that would be all the garbage created by humankind.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "psam ordener" <psamo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: dialects and suchlike
> When we first heard about global warming, proponents of the theory cited
> satellite data.
>
> There were serious problems with the satellite data (my DH is one of those
> who reviewed satellite data for a living for NASA); overall, removing the
> impact of cities on the data, it showed a definite cooling trend.
>
> Now they've dropped mention of the satellite data, and using other stuff
to
> prove their point. It reminds me of statistics - you can prove almost
> anything you want to with statistics, on both sides of a question,
depending
> on how you manipulate the figures.
>
> I do believe that this is probably a natural phenomenom. It may be
> uncomfortable for humanity, but Earth has its own rhythms, its own cycles,
> and we either adapt and live with it or die off. That's the natural way.
>
> psam
> psamo@...
>
> Motherhood - not just a job, it's an Adventure!
>
>
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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "psam ordener" <psamo@g...> wrote:
mags because he reads most of them. (He reads those and technical
manuals like I read novels.) He doesn't remember the last article he
read that purprted that global warming was a myth. He thinks it was
in the mid 90's.
There was still a bit of doubt in the scientific circles about whether
or not there was warming a decade ago but in the last five years,
everyone, well the reputable scientists anyway have pretty much agreed
that it is happening. Even some of the most vitriolic anti-global
warming voices have publically changed their tune.
WHETHER it is happening, just disagreement over WHY.
My favorite Global Warming editorial cartoon:
http://hogan.ohio.com/ohio/bok/album/show.php3?id=847
Bridget
>what I read
> I wouldn't say that - I read a lot of science magazines (National
> Geographic, Scientific American, Science News, for instance) and
> is that there is still disagreement over whether the overall averageI defer to my dh on the subject of what is and is not in the science
> temperature is rising.
mags because he reads most of them. (He reads those and technical
manuals like I read novels.) He doesn't remember the last article he
read that purprted that global warming was a myth. He thinks it was
in the mid 90's.
There was still a bit of doubt in the scientific circles about whether
or not there was warming a decade ago but in the last five years,
everyone, well the reputable scientists anyway have pretty much agreed
that it is happening. Even some of the most vitriolic anti-global
warming voices have publically changed their tune.
>from ice
> If it is, this may be a "normal" thing for the world. Core samples
> caps indicate that sudden climate changes are "normal" for Earth.and
>
> "Global warming" has come to mean - "humans are ruining the world
> causing this change" and there is definite disagreement amongreputable
> scientists about the cause of the perceived temperature change.Which is exactly what I said. There is no longer disagreement over
>
WHETHER it is happening, just disagreement over WHY.
My favorite Global Warming editorial cartoon:
http://hogan.ohio.com/ohio/bok/album/show.php3?id=847
Bridget
rumpleteasermom
Most definitely. And my current pet peeve is food coloring. Why do
we need green ketchup and pink butter?
On another chemical note, I was watching the kids leaving Wal-Mart the
other day as I waiting for dh to bring the car up (having an 8"
incision on your belly has it's perks). I noticed that at least half
of them had the bright pink cheeks, puffiness and shortness of breath
that my son gets when we go there. WHat the heck do they have in
that place?
Bridget
we need green ketchup and pink butter?
On another chemical note, I was watching the kids leaving Wal-Mart the
other day as I waiting for dh to bring the car up (having an 8"
incision on your belly has it's perks). I noticed that at least half
of them had the bright pink cheeks, puffiness and shortness of breath
that my son gets when we go there. WHat the heck do they have in
that place?
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> Bottomline, whether it relates
to the
> warming or not, we, the inhabitants of this earth, are killing it
and
> ourselves.
>
> Lynda
rumpleteasermom
Originally, the people who claimed there was no Global Warming cited
the satellite data. However, the reason they don't do that anymore is
because the guy who did the original experiment figured out where his
problem was and has since changed his hypothesis.
By the way my dh is curious where and when yours worked for NASA. He
knows several people who do work of that type and other sorts of stuff
for NASA. There are just not that many atmospheric physicists around.
Most of them seem to know each other.
Bridget
the satellite data. However, the reason they don't do that anymore is
because the guy who did the original experiment figured out where his
problem was and has since changed his hypothesis.
By the way my dh is curious where and when yours worked for NASA. He
knows several people who do work of that type and other sorts of stuff
for NASA. There are just not that many atmospheric physicists around.
Most of them seem to know each other.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "psam ordener" <psamo@g...> wrote:
> When we first heard about global warming, proponents of the theory
cited
> satellite data.
>
> There were serious problems with the satellite data (my DH is one of
those
> who reviewed satellite data for a living for NASA); overall,
removing the
> impact of cities on the data, it showed a definite cooling trend.
>
> Now they've dropped mention of the satellite data, and using other
stuff to
> prove their point. It reminds me of statistics - you can prove
almost
> anything you want to with statistics, on both sides of a question,
depending
> on how you manipulate the figures.
>
> I do believe that this is probably a natural phenomenom. It may be
> uncomfortable for humanity, but Earth has its own rhythms, its own
cycles,
> and we either adapt and live with it or die off. That's the natural
way.
>
> psam
> psamo@g...
>
> Motherhood - not just a job, it's an Adventure!
Tia Leschke
>I don't know, but it's one of the stores that *really* bumps up my fatigue
>
>On another chemical note, I was watching the kids leaving Wal-Mart the
>other day as I waiting for dh to bring the car up (having an 8"
>incision on your belly has it's perks). I noticed that at least half
>of them had the bright pink cheeks, puffiness and shortness of breath
> that my son gets when we go there. WHat the heck do they have in
>that place?
level on my town days. I can be fine when I walk in, but needing to lean
on the cart after a few minutes there.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
psam ordener
> By the way my dh is curious where and when yours worked for NASA. HeHe's not an atmospheric physicist; he was reviewing data for other reasons;
> knows several people who do work of that type and other sorts of stuff
> for NASA. There are just not that many atmospheric physicists around.
> Most of them seem to know each other.
he works for a NASA contractor at Johnson Space Center.
psam
psamo@...
Motherhood - not just a job, it's an Adventure!
alaurashome
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "rumpleteasermom"
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
told us was that we should never take her in to Wal- Mart. He said
that more kids "seize" there than anyplace else.
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> On another chemical note, I was watching the kids leaving Wal-Martthe
> other day as I waiting for dh to bring the car up (having an 8"half
> incision on your belly has it's perks). I noticed that at least
> of them had the bright pink cheeks, puffiness and shortness ofbreath
> that my son gets when we go there. WHat the heck do they have inMy dd had a siezure when she was 13. The first thing the doctor
> that place?
>
> Bridget
>
told us was that we should never take her in to Wal- Mart. He said
that more kids "seize" there than anyplace else.
rumpleteasermom
Most of the NASA people my dh knows are up here working at NASA Lewis
(Okay it's the Glenn Space Center now.) Although a few have moved on
to other venues. Dh's field of study was Astro Physics but he is much
more interested in propagation of radiowaves on this planet than in
anything coming from the stars. We still ask him what he's going to
be when he grows up. His interests morph from time to time. I'm
still waiting for him to get into GeoPhysics so we can go look at live
volcanoes!
Bridget
(Okay it's the Glenn Space Center now.) Although a few have moved on
to other venues. Dh's field of study was Astro Physics but he is much
more interested in propagation of radiowaves on this planet than in
anything coming from the stars. We still ask him what he's going to
be when he grows up. His interests morph from time to time. I'm
still waiting for him to get into GeoPhysics so we can go look at live
volcanoes!
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "psam ordener" <psamo@g...> wrote:
>
> He's not an atmospheric physicist; he was reviewing data for other
reasons;
> he works for a NASA contractor at Johnson Space Center.
>
> psam
> psamo@g..
Joseph Fuerst
> On another chemical note, I was watching the kids leaving Wal-Mart theMaybe formaldehyde in the clothing? I get extremely itchy, watery, red
> other day as I waiting for dh to bring the car up (having an 8"
> incision on your belly has it's perks). I noticed that at least half
> of them had the bright pink cheeks, puffiness and shortness of breath
> that my son gets when we go there. WHat the heck do they have in
> that place?
>
> Bridget
eyes whenever I go to a place with clthing racks. Can't remember who told
me it was probably from the formaldehyde they put on clothes to keep them
fresh and crisp looking on store racks.
BTW, I'm 'vertically challenged'.....making my height similar to a
child's.
Susan....resigned to mostly lurking ...if reading at all...these days
Tia Leschke
>I don't think it's that in my case. The other store that really bothers me
>Maybe formaldehyde in the clothing? I get extremely itchy, watery, red
>eyes whenever I go to a place with clthing racks. Can't remember who told
>me it was probably from the formaldehyde they put on clothes to keep them
>fresh and crisp looking on store racks.
is a grocery store.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
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Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island