Question about consequences
Pat Cald...
You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) more freedom to make their own decisions. So they no longer have a bedtime or a time they need to be up by. Here is my problem. Saturday mornings they have basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure they were up in time to get ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they are in charge of when they go to bed, they should darn well be in charge of getting themselves up and ready in time for their basketball. What happens if they are late? What happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get grouchy because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy. How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults that are chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that are either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. I usually like there to be natural consequences for the girls to learn from but I don't know if there are in this case. Anyone have any ideas?
I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!
Pat
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I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!
Pat
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Kolleen
>I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being onHi Pat,
>time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
>feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!
>
>Pat
I remember reading in 'Living Joyfully with Children' about their bedtime
saga.
Basically, when they relinguished bed times, it was with the
understanding that the kids had to get up and still keep to whatever
their obligations was (such would be for basketball).
If they didn't, then the 'no bedtime' wouldn't be an option until they
were mature enough to handle it.
Its an idea you might want to talk to them about.
good luck,
kolleen
Pat Cald...
Hi Kolleen,
Thanks for the idea. My girls got up this morning about 1/2 hour before we were to leave and then just sat around as if there was nothing to do. I asked what time they wanted to leave for basketball and said fine if they were ready, I would drive them, otherwise they would have to ride their bikes. One minute before it was time to leave, I told them I would be out in the car. My 12 yo followed and I started the car and pulled out the drive way. When I got to the bottom of the driveway, my 10 yo came running out of the house and hopped in the car. I was hoping I would not have to drive away without her but if she tested me I would have to. The 12 yo did not eat any breakfast and now that it is 11:45, she is complaining of a headache and is in a terrible mood. Oh well, I guess I can put up with it if she learns something from it.
Pat
Thanks for the idea. My girls got up this morning about 1/2 hour before we were to leave and then just sat around as if there was nothing to do. I asked what time they wanted to leave for basketball and said fine if they were ready, I would drive them, otherwise they would have to ride their bikes. One minute before it was time to leave, I told them I would be out in the car. My 12 yo followed and I started the car and pulled out the drive way. When I got to the bottom of the driveway, my 10 yo came running out of the house and hopped in the car. I was hoping I would not have to drive away without her but if she tested me I would have to. The 12 yo did not eat any breakfast and now that it is 11:45, she is complaining of a headache and is in a terrible mood. Oh well, I guess I can put up with it if she learns something from it.
Pat
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From: Kolleen
To: Unschooling.com
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about consequences
>I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
>time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
>feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!
>
>Pat
Hi Pat,
I remember reading in 'Living Joyfully with Children' about their bedtime
saga.
Basically, when they relinguished bed times, it was with the
understanding that the kids had to get up and still keep to whatever
their obligations was (such would be for basketball).
If they didn't, then the 'no bedtime' wouldn't be an option until they
were mature enough to handle it.
Its an idea you might want to talk to them about.
good luck,
kolleen
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In a message dated 1/5/02 8:32:44 AM, homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< Saturday mornings they have basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure
they were up in time to get ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they
are in charge of when they go to bed, they should darn well be in charge of
getting themselves up and ready in time for their basketball. What happens
if they are late? What happens if they don't have enough time to eat
breakfast and then get grouchy because of problems with blood sugar...... I
usually like there to be natural consequences for the girls to learn from but
I don't know if there are in this case. Anyone have any ideas? >>
What if the consequence of them choosing bedtimes and waketimes is no
basketball. Suggest that if they can't get up and ready on time, they can't
play. You mention they might not eat, or be grouchy which affects everyone.
No basketball would affect only them, and perhaps the thought of no
basketball would motivate them to go to bed early the night before.
Melinda
<< Saturday mornings they have basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure
they were up in time to get ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they
are in charge of when they go to bed, they should darn well be in charge of
getting themselves up and ready in time for their basketball. What happens
if they are late? What happens if they don't have enough time to eat
breakfast and then get grouchy because of problems with blood sugar...... I
usually like there to be natural consequences for the girls to learn from but
I don't know if there are in this case. Anyone have any ideas? >>
What if the consequence of them choosing bedtimes and waketimes is no
basketball. Suggest that if they can't get up and ready on time, they can't
play. You mention they might not eat, or be grouchy which affects everyone.
No basketball would affect only them, and perhaps the thought of no
basketball would motivate them to go to bed early the night before.
Melinda
Shyrley
"Pat Cald..." wrote:
importance of getting up on time and eating breakfast.
You could then offer to either get them up yourself or buy them an alarm
clock. You can say that you will be ready to leave at 9.45 but after
that you will do your own thing. If they truly want to do basketball,
they'll get up.
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> You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) moreYou ask them if they wish to continue doing basketball then explain the
> freedom to make their own decisions. So they no longer have a bedtime
> or a time they need to be up by. Here is my problem. Saturday
> mornings they have basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure they
> were up in time to get ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they
> are in charge of when they go to bed, they should darn well be in
> charge of getting themselves up and ready in time for their
> basketball. What happens if they are late? What happens if they
> don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get grouchy because
> of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that feel bad
> but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy. How
> do I instill the importance of being on time?
importance of getting up on time and eating breakfast.
You could then offer to either get them up yourself or buy them an alarm
clock. You can say that you will be ready to leave at 9.45 but after
that you will do your own thing. If they truly want to do basketball,
they'll get up.
> I know many adults that are chronically late and I personally feel itNatural conseqwuences will be no basketball.
> is rude to the people that are either waiting or have to be
> interrupted when they a! rrive. I usually like there to be natural
> consequences for the girls to learn from but I don't know if there are
> in this case. Anyone have any ideas?
>Shyrley
>
> I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that
> being on time and being responsible with their commitments are not
> important but I feel I should do my best as their parent to help them
> with this. Help!
>
> Pat
>
>
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Lynda
Ask them if they want the help (you waking them up) or if they want to take
control of that issue themselves. If they want that control, ask them if
they'd like a clock radio or some other type of alarm clock. Have a
discussion about how they will feel if they don't leave enough time for
food, etc. Leave it an open ended discussion so they will feel that if they
choose to "do it themselves" and it doesn't work, they won't feel like
loosers if they then have to ask you for help (such as waking them up).
Lynda
control of that issue themselves. If they want that control, ask them if
they'd like a clock radio or some other type of alarm clock. Have a
discussion about how they will feel if they don't leave enough time for
food, etc. Leave it an open ended discussion so they will feel that if they
choose to "do it themselves" and it doesn't work, they won't feel like
loosers if they then have to ask you for help (such as waking them up).
Lynda
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From: "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:31 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Question about consequences
> You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) more freedom to
make their own decisions. So they no longer have a bedtime or a time they
need to be up by. Here is my problem. Saturday mornings they have
basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure they were up in time to get
ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they are in charge of when they
go to bed, they should darn well be in charge of getting themselves up and
ready in time for their basketball. What happens if they are late? What
happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get grouchy
because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that feel bad
but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy. How do I
instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults that are
chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that are
either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. I usually like
there to be natural consequences for the girls to learn from but I don't
know if there are in this case. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!
>
> Pat
>
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Sarah Carothers
We have a dance schedule to adhere to. It's up to dd to get up, get
ready, eat lunch, etc. (she's 15) She has been late once that I can
recall and it was such a hassle for *her*; it didn't affect anyone
else but she was embarrassed walking into an already started class.
She's self-correct that situation.
The other factor is the drive time. I've told her it takes me 25
minutes to get *anywhere* in town and that's really true. She has to
allow me 30 minutes or she'll be late. Well, as teens do, she kept
fudging over into my time knowing I *have* been known to drive like a
maniac to get someplace on time. After several of those kinds of
trips, I warned her that I wasn't going to cover for her
time-problems anymore. We had one *more* late appt. (only be a few
minutes) but that was the last one.
I think they will be conscious enough to try to get there on time on
their own after only one embarrassing late entrance. Let them know
about the drive time, though.
sarah
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Sarah Carothers
puddles@...
ready, eat lunch, etc. (she's 15) She has been late once that I can
recall and it was such a hassle for *her*; it didn't affect anyone
else but she was embarrassed walking into an already started class.
She's self-correct that situation.
The other factor is the drive time. I've told her it takes me 25
minutes to get *anywhere* in town and that's really true. She has to
allow me 30 minutes or she'll be late. Well, as teens do, she kept
fudging over into my time knowing I *have* been known to drive like a
maniac to get someplace on time. After several of those kinds of
trips, I warned her that I wasn't going to cover for her
time-problems anymore. We had one *more* late appt. (only be a few
minutes) but that was the last one.
I think they will be conscious enough to try to get there on time on
their own after only one embarrassing late entrance. Let them know
about the drive time, though.
sarah
~xx~ ~xx~ ~xx~
Sarah Carothers
puddles@...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:31:09 -0500, Pat Cald... wrote:
> You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) more
>freedom to make their own decisions. So they no longer have a
>bedtime or a time they need to be up by. Here is my problem.
>Saturday mornings they have basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make
>sure they were up in time to get ready and have breakfast. I figure
>now if they are in charge of when they go to bed, they should darn
>well be in charge of getting themselves up and ready in time for
>their basketball. What happens if they are late? What happens if
>they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get grouchy
>because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that
>feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are
>grouchy. How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know
>many adults that are chronically late and I personally feel it is
>rude to the people that are either waiting or have to be interrupted
>when they a! rrive. I usually like there to be natural consequences
>for the girls to learn from but I don't know if there are in this
>case. Anyone have any ideas?
>
>I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that
>being on time and being responsible with their commitments are not
>important but I feel I should do my best as their parent to help
>them with this. Help!
>
>Pat
>
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Sarah Carothers
She really won't do this but once or twice and then she'll figure out
she really *is* in charge of her life... food included!
good luck...
~xx~ ~xx~ ~xx~
Sarah Carothers
puddles@...
she really *is* in charge of her life... food included!
good luck...
~xx~ ~xx~ ~xx~
Sarah Carothers
puddles@...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:46:09 -0500, Pat Cald... wrote:
>The 12 yo did not
>eat any breakfast and now that it is 11:45, she is complaining
>of a headache and is in a terrible mood. Oh well, I guess I
>can put up with it if she learns something from it.
>
>Pat
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Sarah Carothers
I hope the grammar police are asleep... I've really been typing some
doozies lately!
Sarah
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doozies lately!
Sarah
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Sarah Carothers
puddles@...
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:52:00 -0500, Sarah Carothers wrote:
>We had one *more* late appt. (only be a
>few
>minutes) but that was the last one.
>I think they will be conscious enough to try to get there on
>time on
>their own after only one embarrassing late entrance. Let them
>know
>about the drive time, though.
>sarah
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In a message dated 1/5/02 6:32:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) more freedom to
make their own decisions. So they no longer have a bedtime or a time they
need to be up by. Here is my problem. Saturday mornings they have
basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure they were up in time to get
ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they are in charge of when they go
to bed, they should darn well be in charge of getting themselves up and ready
in time for their basketball. >>>>
I would ask them if they would like you to wake them up in time for basketball
practice days or would they like an alarm clock? I would ask them if they
would
like a reminder the night before
basketball practice so that they can go to bed earlier if they feel the need.
I always let my kids know tomorrow is such and such you might want to
go to bed now so that you can get up early tomorrow to do that activity.
<< What happens if they are late?>>
Does the coach tell them they can't play, does he have any consequences?
I know that when my kids were late to an activity they didn't like coming
in after it got started and "catching up" so to speak.
<< What happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get
grouchy because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that
feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy.>>
I would (and this is just me personally) bring some healthy snacks, like
cereal or granola bars or maybe even a bag of baby carrots and a couple
of bottles of water. Something that isnt' a lot of trouble for you, or maybe
you could ask them to pack these snacks the night before if they choose
to sleep in later.
<<< How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults
that are chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that
are either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. >>>
Well I think some folks are always early or on time and others are late. My
parents always modeled being on time etc and I tend to be one of those folks
that are often late. Not all the time and not to everything but I understand
the
consequences. If we are late to a play or field trip where we are meeting our
group I darn well better be on time or I might not get to go in (and I
probably
paid in advance so I would lose out on $ also). I try very hard to not make
friends wait for me if we have set up a specific meeting time and place and
am usually successful with that. But if its a group setting and no one is
specifically waiting for me I could be very late.
<>>
I think setting them up to succeed, in terms of the night before reminders and
the snacks will make them much more willing to see the importance of being
on time to this activity, rather than natural consequences (of which there are
none, you paid for the activity I assume and the coach is probably not going
to say you can't do it--on the other hand you might say that since the
activity costs $ you may not sign them up for other activities if they can't
be
there for the entire time slot-I don't think you should have to waste your
money either).
<< I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!>>>
Well yep thats it in a nutshell and why I mentioned my personal history also.
I
personally can't stand to be somewhere too terribly early (although I am
getting
better at it). I am one of those folks who used to get to airports 20
minutes
before takeoff. You better believe I will be there two hours before our next
flight with the changes in airport security though! I think discussing why
you
think being on time is important to you and a good trait to have.
Kathy
homeschoolmd@... writes:
<< You all have convinced me to give my two dd's (12 and 10) more freedom to
make their own decisions. So they no longer have a bedtime or a time they
need to be up by. Here is my problem. Saturday mornings they have
basketball at 10:00 a.m. I used to make sure they were up in time to get
ready and have breakfast. I figure now if they are in charge of when they go
to bed, they should darn well be in charge of getting themselves up and ready
in time for their basketball. >>>>
I would ask them if they would like you to wake them up in time for basketball
practice days or would they like an alarm clock? I would ask them if they
would
like a reminder the night before
basketball practice so that they can go to bed earlier if they feel the need.
I always let my kids know tomorrow is such and such you might want to
go to bed now so that you can get up early tomorrow to do that activity.
<< What happens if they are late?>>
Does the coach tell them they can't play, does he have any consequences?
I know that when my kids were late to an activity they didn't like coming
in after it got started and "catching up" so to speak.
<< What happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get
grouchy because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that
feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy.>>
I would (and this is just me personally) bring some healthy snacks, like
cereal or granola bars or maybe even a bag of baby carrots and a couple
of bottles of water. Something that isnt' a lot of trouble for you, or maybe
you could ask them to pack these snacks the night before if they choose
to sleep in later.
<<< How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults
that are chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that
are either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. >>>
Well I think some folks are always early or on time and others are late. My
parents always modeled being on time etc and I tend to be one of those folks
that are often late. Not all the time and not to everything but I understand
the
consequences. If we are late to a play or field trip where we are meeting our
group I darn well better be on time or I might not get to go in (and I
probably
paid in advance so I would lose out on $ also). I try very hard to not make
friends wait for me if we have set up a specific meeting time and place and
am usually successful with that. But if its a group setting and no one is
specifically waiting for me I could be very late.
<>>
I think setting them up to succeed, in terms of the night before reminders and
the snacks will make them much more willing to see the importance of being
on time to this activity, rather than natural consequences (of which there are
none, you paid for the activity I assume and the coach is probably not going
to say you can't do it--on the other hand you might say that since the
activity costs $ you may not sign them up for other activities if they can't
be
there for the entire time slot-I don't think you should have to waste your
money either).
<< I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!>>>
Well yep thats it in a nutshell and why I mentioned my personal history also.
I
personally can't stand to be somewhere too terribly early (although I am
getting
better at it). I am one of those folks who used to get to airports 20
minutes
before takeoff. You better believe I will be there two hours before our next
flight with the changes in airport security though! I think discussing why
you
think being on time is important to you and a good trait to have.
Kathy
>>
Pat Cald...
Kathy wrote:
<< What happens if they are late?>>
Thank you everyone for the good suggestions. I think I will try getting some sort of agreement on what they want or need in this situation but I do want them to take full responsibility for this whole thing. They have alarm clocks and this practice is not so early they should have trouble getting up so I am going to try the approach that if they need me to get them up, maybe they also need me to tell them when to go to bed. I will not be communicating any of this in an I told you so voice (I hope). This should be a win win situation.
Pat
<< What happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get
grouchy because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that
feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy.>>
I would (and this is just me personally) bring some healthy snacks, like
cereal or granola bars or maybe even a bag of baby carrots and a couple
of bottles of water. Something that isnt' a lot of trouble for you, or maybe
you could ask them to pack these snacks the night before if they choose
to sleep in later.
<<< How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults
that are chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that
are either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. >>>
Well I think some folks are always early or on time and others are late. My
parents always modeled being on time etc and I tend to be one of those folks
that are often late. Not all the time and not to everything but I understand
the
consequences. If we are late to a play or field trip where we are meeting our
group I darn well better be on time or I might not get to go in (and I
probably
paid in advance so I would lose out on $ also). I try very hard to not make
friends wait for me if we have set up a specific meeting time and place and
am usually successful with that. But if its a group setting and no one is
specifically waiting for me I could be very late.
<>>
I think setting them up to succeed, in terms of the night before reminders and
the snacks will make them much more willing to see the importance of being
on time to this activity, rather than natural consequences (of which there are
none, you paid for the activity I assume and the coach is probably not going
to say you can't do it--on the other hand you might say that since the
activity costs $ you may not sign them up for other activities if they can't
be
there for the entire time slot-I don't think you should have to waste your
money either).
<< I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!>>>
Well yep thats it in a nutshell and why I mentioned my personal history also.
I
personally can't stand to be somewhere too terribly early (although I am
getting
better at it). I am one of those folks who used to get to airports 20
minutes
before takeoff. You better believe I will be there two hours before our next
flight with the changes in airport security though! I think discussing why
you
think being on time is important to you and a good trait to have.
Kathy
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<< What happens if they are late?>>
>Does the coach tell them they can't play, does he have any consequences?So many kids are late to sports practices, often because of their parents being too harried, that the coaches just get used to it.
>I know that when my kids were late to an activity they didn't like coming
>in after it got started and "catching up" so to speak.
Thank you everyone for the good suggestions. I think I will try getting some sort of agreement on what they want or need in this situation but I do want them to take full responsibility for this whole thing. They have alarm clocks and this practice is not so early they should have trouble getting up so I am going to try the approach that if they need me to get them up, maybe they also need me to tell them when to go to bed. I will not be communicating any of this in an I told you so voice (I hope). This should be a win win situation.
Pat
<< What happens if they don't have enough time to eat breakfast and then get
grouchy because of problems with blood sugar. Sure they are the ones that
feel bad but ultimately the whole family suffers because they are grouchy.>>
I would (and this is just me personally) bring some healthy snacks, like
cereal or granola bars or maybe even a bag of baby carrots and a couple
of bottles of water. Something that isnt' a lot of trouble for you, or maybe
you could ask them to pack these snacks the night before if they choose
to sleep in later.
<<< How do I instill the importance of being on time? I know many adults
that are chronically late and I personally feel it is rude to the people that
are either waiting or have to be interrupted when they arrive. >>>
Well I think some folks are always early or on time and others are late. My
parents always modeled being on time etc and I tend to be one of those folks
that are often late. Not all the time and not to everything but I understand
the
consequences. If we are late to a play or field trip where we are meeting our
group I darn well better be on time or I might not get to go in (and I
probably
paid in advance so I would lose out on $ also). I try very hard to not make
friends wait for me if we have set up a specific meeting time and place and
am usually successful with that. But if its a group setting and no one is
specifically waiting for me I could be very late.
<>>
I think setting them up to succeed, in terms of the night before reminders and
the snacks will make them much more willing to see the importance of being
on time to this activity, rather than natural consequences (of which there are
none, you paid for the activity I assume and the coach is probably not going
to say you can't do it--on the other hand you might say that since the
activity costs $ you may not sign them up for other activities if they can't
be
there for the entire time slot-I don't think you should have to waste your
money either).
<< I know I ultimately have no control over whether they decide that being on
time and being responsible with their commitments are not important but I
feel I should do my best as their parent to help them with this. Help!>>>
Well yep thats it in a nutshell and why I mentioned my personal history also.
I
personally can't stand to be somewhere too terribly early (although I am
getting
better at it). I am one of those folks who used to get to airports 20
minutes
before takeoff. You better believe I will be there two hours before our next
flight with the changes in airport security though! I think discussing why
you
think being on time is important to you and a good trait to have.
Kathy
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