Food sensitivites/dyes..
Nichoel
On the subject of food sensitivities:
My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce* that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May 2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research was red dye 40.
Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it in it...
It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only 'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
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My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce* that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May 2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research was red dye 40.
Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it in it...
It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only 'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
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----- Original Message -----
From: debbie jones
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
Kolleen,
Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
The things we do for our kids.... : )
What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
Debbie
Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie
I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
cows.
Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
this on) than have a substitute.
So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
than introduce another substitute?
For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
repulsive.
When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
Let us know how you fare!
regards,
kolleen
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[snip]
petroleum based. I thank you for that info.
I do my hardest to stay away from gasoline in our diets and on our skin
(since the skin soaks in most of what you put on it).
Did anyone ever see the Oprah that talked about the origins of using
petroleum? It was a hoot, and still the stuff is sold.
One day we are definately going to need to be saved from ourselves as a
people!
warm regards,
kolleen
>It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only[snip]
>'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red
>jello salad at a church function :|.
>It just amazes me that the crap isWow Nichoel, what a thoughtful insight! I never realized that RD40 was
>still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something
>that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food
>sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
>Nichoel
petroleum based. I thank you for that info.
I do my hardest to stay away from gasoline in our diets and on our skin
(since the skin soaks in most of what you put on it).
Did anyone ever see the Oprah that talked about the origins of using
petroleum? It was a hoot, and still the stuff is sold.
One day we are definately going to need to be saved from ourselves as a
people!
warm regards,
kolleen
Pat Cald...
Hi Nichoel,
We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose. Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
Pat
We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose. Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: Nichoel
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
On the subject of food sensitivities:
My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce* that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May 2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research was red dye 40.
Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it in it...
It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only 'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
<ramble off>
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----- Original Message -----
From: debbie jones
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
Kolleen,
Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
The things we do for our kids.... : )
What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
Debbie
Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie
I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
cows.
Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
this on) than have a substitute.
So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
than introduce another substitute?
For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
repulsive.
When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
Let us know how you fare!
regards,
kolleen
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It's really kind of scary when you think about it -- our doctors need to learn a lot more. Sometimes the things they say can amaze me!
Debbie
"Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...> wrote: Hi Nichoel,
We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose. Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
Pat
Debbie
"Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...> wrote: Hi Nichoel,
We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose. Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: Nichoel
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
On the subject of food sensitivities:
My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce* that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May 2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research was red dye 40.
Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it in it...
It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only 'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
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----- Original Message -----
From: debbie jones
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
Kolleen,
Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
The things we do for our kids.... : )
What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
Debbie
Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie
I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
cows.
Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
this on) than have a substitute.
So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
than introduce another substitute?
For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
repulsive.
When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
Let us know how you fare!
regards,
kolleen
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I totally believe it Pat, it's amazing to me how we as a society have forgotten or not learned that the food we eat affects ALL of our systems, hormones...behavior..the whole enchilada! I have found that including soy into my diet has really reduced my panic attacks/anxiety (I believe it helps balance out my estrogen levels which are low due to being a nursing mom..) whereas conventional medication only made it worse....
You're lucky you found out what the problem was, there are SO many who dont, or dont even look..and just take the medication AND/OR the label..
Luckily Shanika's therapist never tried to 'pin' a label on her at all..He was very much a believer in the fact that it could be a food allergy..Matter of fact he was questioning whether or not it could be diary before we 'found' the RD40 link and had us keep a food journal..which is where we noticed anytime something with RD40 went in, a rage ensued...I was lucky =)
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You're lucky you found out what the problem was, there are SO many who dont, or dont even look..and just take the medication AND/OR the label..
Luckily Shanika's therapist never tried to 'pin' a label on her at all..He was very much a believer in the fact that it could be a food allergy..Matter of fact he was questioning whether or not it could be diary before we 'found' the RD40 link and had us keep a food journal..which is where we noticed anytime something with RD40 went in, a rage ensued...I was lucky =)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Cald...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
Hi Nichoel,
We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose. Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: Nichoel
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
On the subject of food sensitivities:
My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce* that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May 2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research was red dye 40.
Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it in it...
It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only 'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal (RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the reason for behavioral issues.
<ramble off>
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----- Original Message -----
From: debbie jones
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
Kolleen,
Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
The things we do for our kids.... : )
What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
Debbie
Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie
I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
cows.
Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
this on) than have a substitute.
So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
than introduce another substitute?
For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
repulsive.
When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
Let us know how you fare!
regards,
kolleen
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What irks me is that they have know about this stuff for decades! Some kids
react so badly that they end up in the ER! And they still continue to allow
its use!
Lynda
react so badly that they end up in the ER! And they still continue to allow
its use!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nichoel" <stormyrain73@...>
> On the subject of food sensitivities:
> My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the
time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of
the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and
lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I
attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and
myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability
as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate
America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
>
> Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in
velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving
environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce*
that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last
anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This
was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May
2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from
me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in
the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she
wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing
her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's
head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of
research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy
with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been
so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping
immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her
to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research
was red dye 40.
>
> Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back
then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're
still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from
her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it
in it...
>
> It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only
'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello
salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the
dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is
buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely
different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with
each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used
to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to
our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able
to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal
(RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want
to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the
reason for behavioral issues.
>
> <ramble off>
>
> Nichoel
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: debbie jones
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
>
>
>
> Kolleen,
> Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I
ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried
soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were
drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for
lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son
used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice
cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too
deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
> The things we do for our kids.... : )
> What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids
diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this
on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not
have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever
ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
> Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
> Debbie
>
> Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path
down the food sensitivity route, and
> >believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD
symptoms
> >to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
> >cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very
deprived
> >right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby
to
> >over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
> >thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I
have
> >since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is
probably
> >it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at
what
> >point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
> >Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication
and
> >still do an elimination diet at the same time?
> >Debbie
>
>
> I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I
do
> beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
> host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by
baby
> cows.
>
> Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
> this on) than have a substitute.
>
> So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
> than introduce another substitute?
>
> For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
> butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
> bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
> choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
> repulsive.
>
> When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that
was
> great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
>
> Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
> cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
> shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
> bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
> butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
> semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe,
use
> organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
> molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
>
> The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
> but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
> milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
> your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
>
> Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
> since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
>
> Let us know how you fare!
>
> regards,
> kolleen
>
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So, how long do you think it will be before the medical community at
large recognizes behavioural symptoms of food sensitivities????
I've BTDT on this one. Fortunately, I had one of those rare
physicians that DOES recognize these symtoms as allergies. He never
once told me Wyndham needed therapy or that it was my fault. I only
wish we still had him as our doc! Oh yes, I made the initial
connection because every time Wyndham spewed explosively, it was
bright yellow. Yellow was the first to cause problems but one by one
all the dyes became problems.
Anyway, Wyndham is now allergic to all the dyes, nitrates, nitrites
and sodium erythorbate. MSG is bad for three of us, and I've tried
to avoid as many of the others as I conveniently can.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@y...>
wrote:
very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent
until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and
talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was
awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD
label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad
didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper
and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out,
my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving
her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose.
Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take
it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I
called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give
my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was
the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a
little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her
shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr.
Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems
related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier
was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we
have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial
flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these
things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now.
It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy
as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount
of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year
is Halloween.
large recognizes behavioural symptoms of food sensitivities????
I've BTDT on this one. Fortunately, I had one of those rare
physicians that DOES recognize these symtoms as allergies. He never
once told me Wyndham needed therapy or that it was my fault. I only
wish we still had him as our doc! Oh yes, I made the initial
connection because every time Wyndham spewed explosively, it was
bright yellow. Yellow was the first to cause problems but one by one
all the dyes became problems.
Anyway, Wyndham is now allergic to all the dyes, nitrates, nitrites
and sodium erythorbate. MSG is bad for three of us, and I've tried
to avoid as many of the others as I conveniently can.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@y...>
wrote:
> Hi Nichoel,behavior "fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were
>
> We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage
very infrequent say once a month, then became more and more frequent
until they were every few hours. I knew something was wrong and
talked to the pediatrician. He recommended a therapist. The guy was
awful. First he said it was my fault then he tried to pin the ADD
label and some sort of defiant disorder thing on her but he said thad
didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem with her temper
and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it turned out,
my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was giving
her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose.
Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take
it, have a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I
called the Dr. and asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give
my daughter behavior problems. He said it was unlikely that it was
the dye but it could have been the active ingredient that made her a
little anxious. I told him I had noticed behavior problems with her
shortly after she at a blue snow cone once. He said that a Dr.
Feingold developed a program for children with behavior problems
related to food additives. The reason he did not mention it earlier
was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we
have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial
flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these
things from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now.
It was very difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy
as a reward for many things. She has developed a tremendous amount
of self-control regarding her food choices. The hardest time of year
is Halloween.
>something in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
> One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is
>
> Pat
Pat Cald...
Bridget wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse here but this is the same attitude I have about tv producers and advertisers. I think they are secretly poisoning our children's minds and they know exactly what they are doing. Like the food additives, it doesn't affect everyone, but my food sensitive dd, who never complains of boredom after a few days without tv or video games, goes into a rant because she has nothing to do after a weekend of too much tv. My other dd never show signs of being affected.
Pat
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>So, how long do you think it will be before the medical community atI'm afraid I'm a little synical here. If you are talking about the medical community such as AMA, I think they are too tied to the Drug companies otherwise why wouldn't the recognize the benefits of chiropractors yet? Obviously it is not in their best interest! I wonder why findings clinically proven? Maybe he has but the AMA does their own tests to counter his findings and then gives the conflicting info to the medical community. If I can tell the difference in my daughter, I'm sure it could be proven in a test. Last night my daughter was very grouchy and was complaining of leg aches. We tried to think of what she might have eaten that was different. It turned out to be BHT in refried beans. I didn't even think to look at the can.
>large recognizes behavioural symptoms of food sensitivities????
Not to beat a dead horse here but this is the same attitude I have about tv producers and advertisers. I think they are secretly poisoning our children's minds and they know exactly what they are doing. Like the food additives, it doesn't affect everyone, but my food sensitive dd, who never complains of boredom after a few days without tv or video games, goes into a rant because she has nothing to do after a weekend of too much tv. My other dd never show signs of being affected.
Pat
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Lynda
Grrrrrrr, the whole medical profession has drawn lines against Feingold!
They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven! He used
the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
Lynda
They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven! He used
the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Cald..." <homeschoolmd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
> Hi Nichoel,
>
> We had a very similar experience with my dd. We call her rage behavior
"fits". They started when she was 5. At first they were very infrequent
say once a month, then became more and more frequent until they were every
few hours. I knew something was wrong and talked to the pediatrician. He
recommended a therapist. The guy was awful. First he said it was my fault
then he tried to pin the ADD label and some sort of defiant disorder thing
on her but he said thad didn't really fit because she knew she had a problem
with her temper and wanted some help. Well he was no help at all. As it
turned out, my daughter was the one that actually figured it out. I was
giving her some Triaminic medicine to try to relieve her very stuffy nose.
Before a dose, she said to me, "I know how that stuff works, I take it, have
a fit which makes me cry a lot and then my nose runs". I called the Dr. and
asked if the yellow dye in the medicine could give my daughter behavior
problems. He said it was unlikely that it was the dye but it could have
been the active ingredient that made her a little anxious. I told him I had
noticed behavior problems with her shortly after she at a blue snow cone
once. He said that a Dr. Feingold developed a program for children with
behavior problems related to food additives. The reason he did not mention
it earlier was because it has not been clinically proven. Through it all we
have determined that she is sensitive to artificial color, artificial
flavor, BHT, TBHQ, and nitrates. We have eliminated all of these things
from her diet and she is a different person, she is 10 now. It was very
difficult for her when she was in ps. They offer candy as a reward for many
things. She has developed a tremendous amount of self-control regarding her
food choices. The hardest time of year is Halloween.
>
> One more thing, she gets leg aches and wets her bed if there is something
in her food that we didn't catch - never fails.
>
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nichoel
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:48 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Food sensitivites/dyes..
>
>
> On the subject of food sensitivities:
> My daughter (9 years old now) used to do what I call 'raging'..From the
time she was 2 she would have these horrendous fits; at least once, most of
the time more times a day..When she was 2 I attributed it to her age and
lack of ability to communicate fully her needs....As she got older I
attributed it to having two different sets of rules between her dad and
myself..but then her dad passed on..So I attributed it to my unavailability
as a parent (At this point she is ooh about 5 and I am working in corporate
America; so we are seeing each other less than 4 hours a day..)..
>
> Then when she was 6, I became a SAHM...the rages did not decrease in
velocity or in number even after 2 years of a very stable and loving
environment..(She was still in PS at this point..) They were so *fierce*
that she even put her hand through her wall in her room..and they would last
anywhere from 20 minutes on the short end, to 2 hours on the long end (This
was beginning of summer 2001, I pulled her from public school end of May
2001 due to some issues with anxiety which she unfortunately inherited from
me, and the fact that well frankly she wasnt doing anything but sitting in
the nurses office every day..and she was making herself sick at home so she
wouldnt have to go to school..Didnt take long for me to realize I was doing
her NO good by forcing her...and yanked her so fast I think the school's
head spun :>...) Anyhow, back to the point of this post...I did a lot of
research on conduct disorders, rage issues and the like...She was in therapy
with a wonderful therapist that used music therapy with kids (and had been
so I knew that wasnt changing her raging, even though it was helping
immensely with her self esteem and the like)..Anyhow, it really helped her
to work out her feelings..One of the things I happened upon in my research
was red dye 40.
>
> Now realize; our family is not one who eats organically all the time, back
then it was never organic..now I am more mindful of how we eat but we're
still not out of the processed food ....BUT I did eliminate red dye 40 from
her diet completely..because I saw that almost *everything* she ate had it
in it...
>
> It took about 2 weeks but the rages stopped. Completely. She has only
'raged' once since we eliminated RD40; and that was after eating a red jello
salad at a church function :|...She is very aware of her sensitivity to the
dye and for the most part checks on her own to make sure what she is
buying/wanting/eating doesnt have it in it..She is now a completely
different child, she is much less volatile, even when we dont agree with
each other, or she's unable to do something she wants right then (which used
to be a huge trigger, when I'd say her friend couldnt stay the night due to
our schedule the next day etc, a rage would ensue..) she is much more able
to talk to and reason with..It just amazes me that the crap is still legal
(RD40 is a petroleum based product..)..But it may be something that you want
to look at if you are looking for possible food sensitivities being the
reason for behavioral issues.
>
> <ramble off>
>
> Nichoel
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: debbie jones
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products
>
>
>
> Kolleen,
> Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I
ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried
soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were
drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for
lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son
used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice
cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too
deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
> The things we do for our kids.... : )
> What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids
diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this
on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not
have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever
ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
> Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
> Debbie
>
> Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path
down the food sensitivity route, and
> >believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD
symptoms
> >to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
> >cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very
deprived
> >right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby
to
> >over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
> >thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I
have
> >since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is
probably
> >it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at
what
> >point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
> >Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication
and
> >still do an elimination diet at the same time?
> >Debbie
>
>
> I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I
do
> beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
> host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by
baby
> cows.
>
> Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
> this on) than have a substitute.
>
> So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
> than introduce another substitute?
>
> For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
> butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
> bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
> choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
> repulsive.
>
> When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that
was
> great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
>
> Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
> cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
> shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
> bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
> butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
> semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe,
use
> organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
> molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
>
> The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
> but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
> milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
> your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
>
> Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
> since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
>
> Let us know how you fare!
>
> regards,
> kolleen
>
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Do you (or anyone else here) think joining the Feingold Association
is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
Bridget
is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> Grrrrrrr, the whole medical profession has drawn lines against
Feingold!
> They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven!
He used
> the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
>
> Lynda
debbie jones
I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm not sure if I should try it for my son or not.
Debbie
rumpleteasermom <rumpleteasermom@...> wrote: Do you (or anyone else here) think joining the Feingold Association
is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
Bridget
Debbie
rumpleteasermom <rumpleteasermom@...> wrote: Do you (or anyone else here) think joining the Feingold Association
is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> Grrrrrrr, the whole medical profession has drawn lines against
Feingold!
> They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven!
He used
> the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
>
> Lynda
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Pat Cald...
We did not join the Feingold group mainly because we are the type of people that like to see if we can do it ourselves first. I think the main benefit is they contact the food companies and get a more complete list of ingredients than the companies list on the nutrition label. We have run into a problem with some ingredients not being listed but my daughter is so good at knowing when she has eaten something bad that we just eliminate the offending food in the future - even if the ingredients don't indicate anything. So if you a not a do-it-yourselfer or don't want to take a chance of having anything wrong, the money is probably worth it.
Pat
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: rumpleteasermom
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:40 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Food sensitivites/dyes..
Do you (or anyone else here) think joining the Feingold Association
is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> Grrrrrrr, the whole medical profession has drawn lines against
Feingold!
> They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven!
He used
> the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
>
> Lynda
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Haven't a clue. I do have a couple of his books. I think I'd go with the
books and find out exactly what this society has to offer.
Lynda
books and find out exactly what this society has to offer.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:40 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Food sensitivites/dyes..
> Do you (or anyone else here) think joining the Feingold Association
> is worth the $77? What do you get for that?
>
> Bridget
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> > Grrrrrrr, the whole medical profession has drawn lines against
> Feingold!
> > They know danged well that his "theories" were clinically proven!
> He used
> > the whole pediatric patient rolls from Kaiser SF for years!
> >
> > Lynda
>
>
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