Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products

Kolleen

2 Jan 2002, at 1:30pm

> Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie

I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
cows.

Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
this on) than have a substitute.

So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
than introduce another substitute?

For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
repulsive.

When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
great. Its sweet and its not dairy.

Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)

The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
your not replacing one *reaction* with another.

Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.

Let us know how you fare!

regards,
kolleen

debbie jones

2 Jan 2002, at 1:39pm

Kolleen,
Thanks for all the great tips. I'm taking note of them. I don't think I ever had trouble with dairy foods, but in the last few years I have tried soy milk and now that is all I drink. Regular (skim) milk that we were drinking is now not appealing to me. Soy just seems so much "cleaner" (for lack of a better term). No filmy consistency that regular milk has. My son used to eat sherbet but really doesn't want that either. Just fatty ol ice cream. I'm trying out other things just to keep him from feeling too deprived. If he won't try them, fine.
The things we do for our kids.... : )
What I am really trying to figure out is why there are so many kids diagnosed with ADHD anymore. What has changed in our society to bring this on? Worse eating habits? Environmental toxins? I don't know. Did we just not have the solution to the problem years ago? Too much medicating whatever ails us seems to be a contributing issue.
Ok, well, I'm getting off topic I suppose.
Debbie

Kolleen <Kolleen@...> wrote: > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and

>believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD symptoms
>to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
>cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very deprived
>right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby to
>over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
>thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
>since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
>it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
>point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
>Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
>still do an elimination diet at the same time?
>Debbie

Lynda

3 Jan 2002, at 2:11am

Some folks that can't do "dairy" can eat goat cheese. There are many
excellent organic goat cheeses out there. Just a thought.

Lynda

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kolleen" <Kolleen@...>
To: "Unschooling.com" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk and milk products

> > Since I'm just starting my path down the food sensitivity route, and
> >believe milk and milk products are causing a large problem of ADD
symptoms
> >to my son, what would you recommend to use as substitutes for milk, ice
> >cream, cheese in macaroni and cheese, etc? My son is feeling very
deprived
> >right now without his milk. He went from having milk problems as a baby
to
> >over the years and adding the milk back into his diet (after soy),
> >thinking he was ok. He was our biggest milk drinker in the family. I have
> >since decided that he may indeed still have problems and milk is probably
> >it. It's only been about a week, and I can't tell yet, and wonder at what
> >point I will be able to tell if it's helping. I haven't given him the
> >Adderall in the last week and wonder if I can give him the medication and
> >still do an elimination diet at the same time?
> >Debbie
>
>
> I remember hearing once that cows milk is best for baby cows. And as I do
> beleive it to be so, I can't think of anything as *comforting* than a
> host of foods with milk products. Yet, cows milk is best digested by baby
> cows.
>
> Personally, I'd rather have the real thing (yeah, my upbringing brought
> this on) than have a substitute.
>
> So as part of your elimination, maybe you could opt to do without rather
> than introduce another substitute?
>
> For example, as kids we were gluttons for bread with butter. So when
> butter was obviously not a great choice as an adult, I try to dip my
> bread in olive oil (flavoured at times) when I have bread. It was my
> choice as opposed to going to some form of soy butter which _I_ found
> repulsive.
>
> When the kid was young, he went from breastmilk to rice milk and that was
> great. Its sweet and its not dairy.
>
> Tropical Source makes some great dairy free chocolate chips. I just made
> cookies with them last night, and instead of butter, we used organic
> shortening. (As a side note, this was not by choice, guything (dg?)
> bought the chips at WholeFoods, he grabbed dairy-free, and I ran out of
> butter). They turned out great (hint, use 1/2 expresso chips and 1/2
> semi-sweet chips, follow *almost* the entire Nestle Tollhouse recipe, use
> organic ingredients. The sugar was dehydrated cane and I just added some
> molasses to make up for the lack of organic brown sugar)
>
> The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy cheeses
> but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy as a
> milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to know
> your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
>
> Debbie, good luck with the elimination. I know its a hard road to climb
> since it takes a lot of time and energy to keep track of it all.
>
> Let us know how you fare!
>
> regards,
> kolleen
>
>
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rumpleteasermom

3 Jan 2002, at 10:11am

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Kolleen <Kolleen@m...> wrote:

>
> The cheese part is a tough one. I haven't tried any of the soy

cheeses

> but I know they exist. Although you may not want to introduce soy

as a

> milk substitute until after you've eliminated milk long enough to

know

> your not replacing one *reaction* with another.
>
> kolleen

Have you tried the Almond Cheeses? Of course there is a nut issue
there but most people are already exposed to nuts. Anyway, I really
think they taste good, as opposed to the soy cheeses which taste like
they are trying to imitate but not quite making it.

Bridget

Brynn

3 Jan 2002, at 12:39pm

Be careful when you are looking into alternates for cheeses. Unless you are
buying a cheese that specifically states it is vegan (ie:vegan rella most
products by Tofutti, Soy Mage)you will most likely be getting casein in your
cheese which is a milk protein. It is what makes the soy cheeses "melt".
Vegan soy cheeses are a lot different than that. Also, I will say, that once
you break from cheese, and this is coming from a former cheese freak, you
just don't care for it.

Good luck,
Brynn

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Elsa Haas

5 Jan 2002, at 7:55pm

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