Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Soy dangers
Karin
Much to my dismay, after coming to depend on the myriad of meat-like soy products available now, I have been made aware of many negative reports concerning soy. I had previously only heard positive things about soy, so this was a shock to me. This website lists quite a few studies, reports and findings.
Check it out. Let me know what ya'll think. I'm quite confused.
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/
Karin
Just out of curiousity - what dangers?
Bridget
ps - I don't eat the stuff because it makes me sick - almost but not
quite the same symptoms as with other foods I am allergic to.
Check it out. Let me know what ya'll think. I'm quite confused.
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/
Karin
Just out of curiousity - what dangers?
Bridget
ps - I don't eat the stuff because it makes me sick - almost but not
quite the same symptoms as with other foods I am allergic to.
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> We have been questioning surmounting reports on the dangers of
eating soy products.
>
> Karin
>
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Dear Karin,
Soy is always better for you to eat then meat. Hopefully you are eating
organic food as well. As long as you are not eating say a pound of tofu a
day, I would not worry about it at all. My family is complely vegan, my kids
since birth. We eat only organic food on top of that. When I was pregnant
with my youngest, all I ate or could eat, was tofu sandwiches. I am
completely healthy and so is he. Food is a tremendously big and important
topic with me and I would never do anything to hurt my kids. Studies have a
way of saying what they want to say. Trust me, stay with the change and
don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
Mary
Soy is always better for you to eat then meat. Hopefully you are eating
organic food as well. As long as you are not eating say a pound of tofu a
day, I would not worry about it at all. My family is complely vegan, my kids
since birth. We eat only organic food on top of that. When I was pregnant
with my youngest, all I ate or could eat, was tofu sandwiches. I am
completely healthy and so is he. Food is a tremendously big and important
topic with me and I would never do anything to hurt my kids. Studies have a
way of saying what they want to say. Trust me, stay with the change and
don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
Mary
Lynda
I think the organic part is the most important, particularly the organic/no
GMO products. All of the studies are being done on folks that use GMO,
pesticided, fertilized to timbuckto and back soybeans and there is no way to
tell if the problem is with the soy product itself or all the residues that
are in them. Also, all the negatives have been coming out since the whole
GMO thing has been pushed, particularly the Round Up friendly plants.
Lynda
GMO products. All of the studies are being done on folks that use GMO,
pesticided, fertilized to timbuckto and back soybeans and there is no way to
tell if the problem is with the soy product itself or all the residues that
are in them. Also, all the negatives have been coming out since the whole
GMO thing has been pushed, particularly the Round Up friendly plants.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <Unschoolingmommy@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Soy dangers
> Dear Karin,
>
> Soy is always better for you to eat then meat. Hopefully you are eating
> organic food as well. As long as you are not eating say a pound of tofu a
> day, I would not worry about it at all. My family is complely vegan, my
kids
> since birth. We eat only organic food on top of that. When I was
pregnant
> with my youngest, all I ate or could eat, was tofu sandwiches. I am
> completely healthy and so is he. Food is a tremendously big and important
> topic with me and I would never do anything to hurt my kids. Studies have
a
> way of saying what they want to say. Trust me, stay with the change and
> don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
> worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
> along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
>
> Mary
>
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In a message dated 12/30/01 7:50:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
curtkar@... writes:
<< Much to my dismay, after coming to depend on the myriad of meat-like soy
products available now, I have been made aware of many negative reports
concerning soy. I had previously only heard positive things about soy, so
this was a shock to me. This website lists quite a few studies, reports and
findings.
Check it out. Let me know what ya'll think. I'm quite confused.
soymilk. I believe that tempeh and miso (fermented) is ok. I just read that
if you were using processed soy, the tofu's or meat substitutes not to have
them more than three days a week and I can't recall the portion size, but
it was one of those things, do in moderation. I just read this, wish I could
recall where. I think its really confusing for a lot of folks right now.
Asian
cultures who use soy do not eat large quantities of tofu at a serving I think
that was the difference, we tend to overeat all our portions in the states.
If I locate more info will post.
Kathy
curtkar@... writes:
<< Much to my dismay, after coming to depend on the myriad of meat-like soy
products available now, I have been made aware of many negative reports
concerning soy. I had previously only heard positive things about soy, so
this was a shock to me. This website lists quite a few studies, reports and
findings.
Check it out. Let me know what ya'll think. I'm quite confused.
>>I think what these findings are refering to is processed soy, such as tofu and
soymilk. I believe that tempeh and miso (fermented) is ok. I just read that
if you were using processed soy, the tofu's or meat substitutes not to have
them more than three days a week and I can't recall the portion size, but
it was one of those things, do in moderation. I just read this, wish I could
recall where. I think its really confusing for a lot of folks right now.
Asian
cultures who use soy do not eat large quantities of tofu at a serving I think
that was the difference, we tend to overeat all our portions in the states.
If I locate more info will post.
Kathy
Tia Leschke
At 08:58 PM 30/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
sure where I would rate his advice, but I think on any issue I'd look
farther than what he has to say.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
>Much to my dismay, after coming to depend on the myriad of meat-like soyI've looked at his site before and used to get his newsletters. I'm not
>products available now, I have been made aware of many negative reports
>concerning soy. I had previously only heard positive things about soy, so
>this was a shock to me. This website lists quite a few studies, reports
>and findings.
>Check it out. Let me know what ya'll think. I'm quite confused.
>
>http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/
sure where I would rate his advice, but I think on any issue I'd look
farther than what he has to say.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Tia Leschke
>Trust me, stay with the change andI don't believe that there's any particular way of eating that's good for
>don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
>worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
>along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
everyone. All of our bodies are different. I know people who thrive as
vegans. I also know people who thrive on high protein/low carb
diets. We've lost the ability to listen to our own bodies, so we turn to
all the confusing and conflicting advise from others.
Tia
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
Tia Leschke
leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
Kolleen
>Dear Karin,Eating meat might be fine for some people. Especially those that can't
>
>Soy is always better for you to eat then meat. Hopefully you are eating
>organic food as well. As long as you are not eating say a pound of tofu a
>day, I would not worry about it at all. My family is complely vegan, my
>kids
>since birth. We eat only organic food on top of that. When I was pregnant
>with my youngest, all I ate or could eat, was tofu sandwiches. I am
>completely healthy and so is he. Food is a tremendously big and important
>topic with me and I would never do anything to hurt my kids. Studies have a
>way of saying what they want to say. Trust me, stay with the change and
>don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
>worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
>along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
>
>Mary
assimilate the protein that soy offers. For others it may not.
A blanket statement without a physical test can put one person's body in
complete health or another's in malnutritional mode - and dis-ease sets
in.
After 8 years (in my 20s) of being vegetarian for moral reason (organic
meat was IMPOSSIBLE to find back then), I became extremely ill and lost a
lot of muscle tone.
Through bio-energenic testing, it was determined that I get the most
vitamin absorbtion through ocassional red-meat, white-meat and the most
via CLEAN fish (almost impossible to find now-adays).
I have miso soup often because it draws radiation out of one's body and
great after a marathon of TV watching. I use a LCD screen for the
computer.
My son on the other hand has no problems with soy and doesn't *like*
steak. His tests showed he can't break it down. Amazing how his
foodchoice was the *right* one for him before testing.
We need to make our choices by listening to our bodies and finding out
what works best. Paying close attention to what we eat and when.
GMOs can be traced back to soy products as far as 30 years ago. Luckily,
there is organic choices available today - some even state they are not
from GMO'd soybeans.
When one finds what works best, yes, they should stick to it. Finding the
way is the hardest.
Good luck,
kolleen
Karin
Hi Kolleen - I'm interested to know what the bio-energic testing involves and where you get it done. And even if insurance (like an HMO) would pay for something like that. Sometimes I really wish someone would tell me what my most optimal diet should be. I have no real health problems and feel great, but I'm very thin and many times I just don't know what I would like to eat. I have somewhat lost my natural desire to eat food. I could go happily all day without eating, but find I must eat to have energy.
Anyway, I would appreciate any info you could provide about this. Also, I won't be back to my computer till tomorrow, so I apologize if you ask any questions that I may not answer right away. Thanks!
Karin
Kollen wrote:
Through bio-energenic testing, it was determined that I get the most
vitamin absorbtion through ocassional red-meat, white-meat and the most
via CLEAN fish (almost impossible to find now-adays).
My son on the other hand has no problems with soy and doesn't *like*
steak. His tests showed he can't break it down. Amazing how his
foodchoice was the *right* one for him before testing.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Anyway, I would appreciate any info you could provide about this. Also, I won't be back to my computer till tomorrow, so I apologize if you ask any questions that I may not answer right away. Thanks!
Karin
Kollen wrote:
Through bio-energenic testing, it was determined that I get the most
vitamin absorbtion through ocassional red-meat, white-meat and the most
via CLEAN fish (almost impossible to find now-adays).
My son on the other hand has no problems with soy and doesn't *like*
steak. His tests showed he can't break it down. Amazing how his
foodchoice was the *right* one for him before testing.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Nichoel
Kolleen;
Just as a side note; I have a friend who farms her own fish..If you'd like I can see if she'd be willing to talk to you about starting your own/buying from her..She cannot tolerate anything but organic food including meat..She has a very severe allergy to all genetically altered foods she's come in contact with..
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----- Original Message -----
From: Kolleen
To: Unschooling.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Soy dangers
>Dear Karin,
>
>Soy is always better for you to eat then meat. Hopefully you are eating
>organic food as well. As long as you are not eating say a pound of tofu a
>day, I would not worry about it at all. My family is complely vegan, my
>kids
>since birth. We eat only organic food on top of that. When I was pregnant
>with my youngest, all I ate or could eat, was tofu sandwiches. I am
>completely healthy and so is he. Food is a tremendously big and important
>topic with me and I would never do anything to hurt my kids. Studies have a
>way of saying what they want to say. Trust me, stay with the change and
>don't go back to eating meat. Have a varied diet and there is nothing to
>worry about. Even if you ate as much tofu as I did when I was pregnant,
>along with soy milk, you would be fine as I am and so is he.
>
>Mary
Eating meat might be fine for some people. Especially those that can't
assimilate the protein that soy offers. For others it may not.
A blanket statement without a physical test can put one person's body in
complete health or another's in malnutritional mode - and dis-ease sets
in.
After 8 years (in my 20s) of being vegetarian for moral reason (organic
meat was IMPOSSIBLE to find back then), I became extremely ill and lost a
lot of muscle tone.
Through bio-energenic testing, it was determined that I get the most
vitamin absorbtion through ocassional red-meat, white-meat and the most
via CLEAN fish (almost impossible to find now-adays).
I have miso soup often because it draws radiation out of one's body and
great after a marathon of TV watching. I use a LCD screen for the
computer.
My son on the other hand has no problems with soy and doesn't *like*
steak. His tests showed he can't break it down. Amazing how his
foodchoice was the *right* one for him before testing.
We need to make our choices by listening to our bodies and finding out
what works best. Paying close attention to what we eat and when.
GMOs can be traced back to soy products as far as 30 years ago. Luckily,
there is organic choices available today - some even state they are not
from GMO'd soybeans.
When one finds what works best, yes, they should stick to it. Finding the
way is the hardest.
Good luck,
kolleen
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Kolleen
>Hi Kolleen - I'm interested to know what the bio-energic testing involvesHi Karin,
>and where you get it done. And even if insurance (like an HMO) would pay
>for something like that. Sometimes I really wish someone would tell me
>what my most optimal diet should be. I have no real health problems and
>feel great, but I'm very thin and many times I just don't know what I
>would like to eat. I have somewhat lost my natural desire to eat food. I
>could go happily all day without eating, but find I must eat to have energy.
>Anyway, I would appreciate any info you could provide about this. Also, I
>won't be back to my computer till tomorrow, so I apologize if you ask any
>questions that I may not answer right away. Thanks!
>
>Karin
I don't know very many practicioners in the Vegatest methodology in the
US. I know there's quite a few in Canada and a lot in Germany.
Most of them are quite good at allergy (reaction) testing. Very few of
them can take the testing method beyond that.
If you ever get the chance, pick up the book 21st Century Medicine, A
layman's guide to the medicine of the future by Dr. Julian N. Kenyon.
Its from 1986, but the theorys on homotoxicology, dysbiosis, psyche and
Bio-electronic regulatory medicine are great.
Also, maybe you should try and get in touch with your body somehow and
find what it does want to eat.
I know lots of green veggies, whey protein and meats are what I work best
on.
Of course that doesn't mean I always FOLLOW it!
regards,
kolleen
Karin
Thanks for your reply Kolleen. I will try and find the book you recommended. I'm always up for reading yet another medical/self-help book!
Getting in touch with my body is easier said than done. Hunger, cravings and browsing through cook-books usually motivate my meal plans, but lately this method has found our diet lacking in excitement or enthusiam to eat. It also does not help that my lifetime vegetarian kids hate most vegetables and are so extremely picky about food. What's an unschooling vegetarian mom to do? <g>
Thanks again.
Karin
Hi Karin,
I don't know very many practicioners in the Vegatest methodology in the
US. I know there's quite a few in Canada and a lot in Germany.
Most of them are quite good at allergy (reaction) testing. Very few of
them can take the testing method beyond that.
If you ever get the chance, pick up the book 21st Century Medicine, A
layman's guide to the medicine of the future by Dr. Julian N. Kenyon.
Its from 1986, but the theorys on homotoxicology, dysbiosis, psyche and
Bio-electronic regulatory medicine are great.
Also, maybe you should try and get in touch with your body somehow and
find what it does want to eat.
I know lots of green veggies, whey protein and meats are what I work best
on.
Of course that doesn't mean I always FOLLOW it!
regards,
kolleen
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Getting in touch with my body is easier said than done. Hunger, cravings and browsing through cook-books usually motivate my meal plans, but lately this method has found our diet lacking in excitement or enthusiam to eat. It also does not help that my lifetime vegetarian kids hate most vegetables and are so extremely picky about food. What's an unschooling vegetarian mom to do? <g>
Thanks again.
Karin
Hi Karin,
I don't know very many practicioners in the Vegatest methodology in the
US. I know there's quite a few in Canada and a lot in Germany.
Most of them are quite good at allergy (reaction) testing. Very few of
them can take the testing method beyond that.
If you ever get the chance, pick up the book 21st Century Medicine, A
layman's guide to the medicine of the future by Dr. Julian N. Kenyon.
Its from 1986, but the theorys on homotoxicology, dysbiosis, psyche and
Bio-electronic regulatory medicine are great.
Also, maybe you should try and get in touch with your body somehow and
find what it does want to eat.
I know lots of green veggies, whey protein and meats are what I work best
on.
Of course that doesn't mean I always FOLLOW it!
regards,
kolleen
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