Karen Matlock

I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get for your
pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat may only
need rabies (state law). An outdoor one may need to be evaluated for risk
from upper respiratory and leukemia viruses. When I practiced in an upper
middle class town with well-cared-for dogs, I honestly thought parvo was on
the downswing. I changed to a large metropolitan practice, and I saw 1-4
parvo cases a day in the summer. Distemper too, and I thought it was almost
gone.

If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the first year
and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or I'd have
blood titers checked; that's what I do for my own rabies immunity!

Karen


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On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:25:49 -0600 "Karen Matlock" <kbmatlock@...>
writes:
> I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get for
your
> pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat may
only
> need rabies (state law).

Really? Is that true in all states, do you know?

Dar, withan unvaccinated child and two unvaccinated indoor cats
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Hi Karen - since you mentioned that you're a vet, I'd like to ask you a question if I may.

What is your opinion about heartworm preventative medication? The kind you take monthly.
We live in Phoenix, AZ. It is relatively dry and we don't get many mosquitos.
Our vet is recommending the heartworm meds, though, because of a recent rise in heartworm reported locally.
We are considering it, but are wondering if it is really necessary.
If you think it is, what is the best brand, in your opinion?
We have a dog with fairly short hair (a vizsla).
Thanks!

(another) Karin



----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Matlock
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations


>I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here!


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Tia Leschke

>
>If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the first year
>and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or I'd have
>blood titers checked

Is that an expensive process? I'm inclined to do that with everything but
the rabies. When we first got our pup, the vet said they were in the
process of changing the recommendations for frequency of the other vacs,
but that a lot of vets like the one year interval because it gets the pet
in for a yearly exam. We did the puppy shots mainly because we weren't
sure we could find a vet who would neuter him without them. But I lean
towards the no-vac side, so checking the blood titers might be a good
compromise. (BTW how do you pronounce titers?)
Tia

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kayb85

Since you're a vet, I have a rabies vaccine question if you don't
mind! I was doing research on vaccines for my kids and came across a
rabies vaccine that had listed as an ingredient something that
suggested it might have been cultured on aborted babies. As a
strongly pro-life family (we dont' give mmr or varivax vacc. for that
reason), I want to look into this for the next time we have a pet who
needs a rabies vaccine! Do you know if this is true, or is it only
true in rabies vaccines from certain manufacturers? Also, can you
take a religious or ethical exemption to a vaccine in the same way you
can for children?

Thanks!
Sheila

> I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get
for your
> pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat may
only
> need rabies (state law). An outdoor one may need to be evaluated for
risk
> from upper respiratory and leukemia viruses. When I practiced in an
upper
> middle class town with well-cared-for dogs, I honestly thought parvo
was on
> the downswing. I changed to a large metropolitan practice, and I saw
1-4
> parvo cases a day in the summer. Distemper too, and I thought it was
almost
> gone.
>
> If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the
first year
> and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or I'd
have
> blood titers checked; that's what I do for my own rabies immunity!
>
> Karen
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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> Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com

kayb85

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> >
> >If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the
first year
> >and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or I'd
have
> >blood titers checked
>
> Is that an expensive process?

Probably. I know it can get expensive in people! My son had a
tetanus and polio titer test done this year in place of the
traditional booster shots (and he was still immune!). Our bill was
$371.

Lynda

All states require them for dogs. Most states "recommend" them for cats.
Quite a few recommend them for horses, particularly after several incidences
of folks being bitten by rabid horses back in the late 70s.

Lynda
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Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations


>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:25:49 -0600 "Karen Matlock" <kbmatlock@...>
> writes:
> > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get for
> your
> > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat may
> only
> > need rabies (state law).
>
> Really? Is that true in all states, do you know?
>
> Dar, withan unvaccinated child and two unvaccinated indoor cats
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Jessi

At 07:40 PM 12/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Karen - since you mentioned that you're a vet, I'd like to ask you a
>question if I may.
>
>What is your opinion about heartworm preventative medication? The kind you
>take monthly.
>We live in Phoenix, AZ. It is relatively dry and we don't get many mosquitos.
>Our vet is recommending the heartworm meds, though, because of a recent
>rise in heartworm reported locally.
>We are considering it, but are wondering if it is really necessary.
>If you think it is, what is the best brand, in your opinion?
>We have a dog with fairly short hair (a vizsla).
>Thanks!


I have to step in on this question LOL...I do rescue work for a local
shelter and trust me...the cost of the heartworm preventative is so worth
it once you have seen what happens to a dog that tests positive for it! It
is a horrible thing for them to go through as they literally have to
"poison" your dog in the spine...kinda like an epidural...to get rid of the
buggers and this is done, not once, or twice but THREE TIMES to make sure
they are all gone. It is nasty! There is now a shot for 6 months of
protection which is cost effective but please, do the heartworm meds...your
dog will thank you for it...

I had a dog come in with heartworms and it was so painful for me to watch
her...she just laid there for 2 weeks...did not want to move at all. Not
that they are supposed to move much for 6 weeks due to the worms but it was
so sad to see her face!

Please, please please...this one is major for all dog owners as it only
takes one little tiny mosquito to ruin your dogs life!

Jessi

kbmatlock

What was it Chandler said once on Friends? "Can open, worms all over
the place!" Oh, well, since "retirement" I sometimes miss practice.
Sort of. A little.

I live in TX, so heartworm preventative is a must. If your vet thinks
the rate has risen there, then you should probably weigh whether to
put your dog on meds based on probability or cost ($25/mo vs. $600 to
treat, with a 10% possibility of contracting the disease, eg). If you
can afford it, by all means, put him on it. The treatment is hard on
them. Heartgard is my recommendation and it's very safe and very
effective unless you have a collie, in which case talk to your vet.

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Karin" <curtkar@h...> wrote:
> Hi Karen - since you mentioned that you're a vet, I'd like to ask
you a question if I may.
>
> What is your opinion about heartworm preventative medication? The
kind you take monthly.
> We live in Phoenix, AZ. It is relatively dry and we don't get many
mosquitos.
> Our vet is recommending the heartworm meds, though, because of a
recent rise in heartworm reported locally.
> We are considering it, but are wondering if it is really necessary.
> If you think it is, what is the best brand, in your opinion?
> We have a dog with fairly short hair (a vizsla).
> Thanks!
>
> (another) Karin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karen Matlock
> To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:25 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations
>
>
> >I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

kbmatlock

Just a clarification: while it is an arsenical compound (I'm talking
about Immiticide now, not the older Caparsolate, which should never
be used), and could be called a "poison" in that it kills worms, the
regimen is two injections, 24 hours apart, deep into the muscles of
the lumbar back. Not an epidural; done correctly and with pain meds,
apparently like a bad backache. Occasionally a vet will recommend one
injection, then return in one month for two more if the case is
serious enough. It's still a horrible treatment and one you'll want
to avoid, but it's SO much better than the old treatment.

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Jessi <mistycal@b...> wrote:
> At 07:40 PM 12/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi Karen - since you mentioned that you're a vet, I'd like to ask
you a
> >question if I may.
> >
> >What is your opinion about heartworm preventative medication? The
kind you
> >take monthly.
> >We live in Phoenix, AZ. It is relatively dry and we don't get many
mosquitos.
> >Our vet is recommending the heartworm meds, though, because of a
recent
> >rise in heartworm reported locally.
> >We are considering it, but are wondering if it is really necessary.
> >If you think it is, what is the best brand, in your opinion?
> >We have a dog with fairly short hair (a vizsla).
> >Thanks!
>
>
> I have to step in on this question LOL...I do rescue work for a
local
> shelter and trust me...the cost of the heartworm preventative is so
worth
> it once you have seen what happens to a dog that tests positive for
it! It
> is a horrible thing for them to go through as they literally have
to
> "poison" your dog in the spine...kinda like an epidural...to get
rid of the
> buggers and this is done, not once, or twice but THREE TIMES to
make sure
> they are all gone. It is nasty! There is now a shot for 6 months
of
> protection which is cost effective but please, do the heartworm
meds...your
> dog will thank you for it...
>
> I had a dog come in with heartworms and it was so painful for me to
watch
> her...she just laid there for 2 weeks...did not want to move at
all. Not
> that they are supposed to move much for 6 weeks due to the worms
but it was
> so sad to see her face!
>
> Please, please please...this one is major for all dog owners as it
only
> takes one little tiny mosquito to ruin your dogs life!
>
> Jessi

kbmatlock

Yep, it's expensive, which is why it's not done much, since you would
then have to return for vaccines if the titers were too low. (rhymes
with biter). And yes, lots of vets "rely" on the yearly vaccines to
get pets in for the yearly exam. We've been trained like that, but
it's changing, and if you all would promise to bring in your pets
annually without having to get vaccines, it would change :). I'd much
rather be like an M.D. and concentrate on true well care and
physicals than being a shot-giver. Many university recommendations
now are for every three years, except for rabies when required by
law.

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> >
> >If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the
first year
> >and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or I'd
have
> >blood titers checked
>
> Is that an expensive process? I'm inclined to do that with
everything but
> the rabies. When we first got our pup, the vet said they were in
the
> process of changing the recommendations for frequency of the other
vacs,
> but that a lot of vets like the one year interval because it gets
the pet
> in for a yearly exam. We did the puppy shots mainly because we
weren't
> sure we could find a vet who would neuter him without them. But I
lean
> towards the no-vac side, so checking the blood titers might be a
good
> compromise. (BTW how do you pronounce titers?)
> Tia
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@i...
> On Vancouver Island
>
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kbmatlock

I have never heard of an ingredient like that (what was it? Placenta?
And if so, are you sure of the source?) in animal rabies vaccine.
Manufacturers try to culture on the same species it'll be used in,
but that's not always practical, hence duck embryo vaccines, etc, in
the past. Human medicine has turned to human recombinant DNA for
insulin, for example, but I'm not sure of the source. I'll see if I
can research it. And no, there's no ethical exemption, only medical.
If I have a dog who's had a life-threatening reaction to rabies
vaccine, I can write a medical exemption. Rare, though.

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "kayb85" <sheran@p...> wrote:
> Since you're a vet, I have a rabies vaccine question if you don't
> mind! I was doing research on vaccines for my kids and came across
a
> rabies vaccine that had listed as an ingredient something that
> suggested it might have been cultured on aborted babies. As a
> strongly pro-life family (we dont' give mmr or varivax vacc. for
that
> reason), I want to look into this for the next time we have a pet
who
> needs a rabies vaccine! Do you know if this is true, or is it only
> true in rabies vaccines from certain manufacturers? Also, can you
> take a religious or ethical exemption to a vaccine in the same way
you
> can for children?
>
> Thanks!
> Sheila
>
> > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get
> for your
> > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat
may
> only
> > need rabies (state law). An outdoor one may need to be evaluated
for
> risk
> > from upper respiratory and leukemia viruses. When I practiced in
an
> upper
> > middle class town with well-cared-for dogs, I honestly thought
parvo
> was on
> > the downswing. I changed to a large metropolitan practice, and I
saw
> 1-4
> > parvo cases a day in the summer. Distemper too, and I thought it
was
> almost
> > gone.
> >
> > If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the
> first year
> > and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or
I'd
> have
> > blood titers checked; that's what I do for my own rabies immunity!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
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> > Get your free @... address at http://mail.yahoo.com

kbmatlock

Without getting out on the web right now, I'd say it's true in most
states, if not all. Ask a vet in your state. Some are three year,
some are one year if the rabies problem is a large one. It is here; I
get a weekly email from the state govt of positive rabies cases and
it's rarely less than 5 a week. Most of those are wild animals, so if
you have indoor cats, the chance of them contracting it is remote if
they NEVER go outside. However, if they bite someone while
unvaccinated, the victim has the right to demand they be tested
immediately instead of undergoing quarantine, as a vaccinated animal
would. It's not a law, but they can, and I have had the unfortunate
experience of having to put down perfectly nice but unvaccinated
animals before to test for rabies (it's not a survivable test).

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., freeform@j... wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:25:49 -0600 "Karen Matlock" <kbmatlock@y...>
> writes:
> > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you get
for
> your
> > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat
may
> only
> > need rabies (state law).
>
> Really? Is that true in all states, do you know?
>
> Dar, withan unvaccinated child and two unvaccinated indoor cats
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Also ferrets, since there is a labeled vaccine for them, and cows
too, I think, since they're not infrequently infected. (Never quote
me on large animal info, though! :)) Wolf hybrids, check your state
laws. I was at work last week and one of the techs walked in with her
pet skunk. Skunks have been illegal as pets in TX for years, so I was
slightly freaked, but he was clean and quiet and nonsmelly and
vaccinated. Wouldn't have meant a thing if he bit someone, since it's
not an approved vaccine, and he would have to be tested, but
basically, you can vaccinate anything. You just have to know what the
consequences are.

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> All states require them for dogs. Most states "recommend" them for
cats.
> Quite a few recommend them for horses, particularly after several
incidences
> of folks being bitten by rabid horses back in the late 70s.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <Unschooling-dotcom@y...>
> Cc: <Unschooling-dotcom@y...>
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations
>
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:25:49 -0600 "Karen Matlock"
<kbmatlock@y...>
> > writes:
> > > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you
get for
> > your
> > > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat
may
> > only
> > > need rabies (state law).
> >
> > Really? Is that true in all states, do you know?
> >
> > Dar, withan unvaccinated child and two unvaccinated indoor cats
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kbmatlock

OK, sorry to flood the list with vet meanderings. If anyone would
like to email me offlist, that's fine, so we don't clog up the works.
I'm on digest here and dd is demanding to play online puzzles, so I'm
off for awhile!

Leslie

.....OK, sorry to flood the list with vet meanderings. If anyone would like to email me offlist, that's fine, so we don't clog up the works......

Ohh no, don't take this discussion off list!! Dogs are part of the family too, ours anyway, and I'm following the discussion with great interest. As long as the subject line lets everyone know what's in the post there's no need to limit where a thread takes us.
Thanks, Leslie



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Diane

Count me in too! I'm loving the dog discussions. We're hoping to get a dog in the not-too-distant future, so really want and need to hear what that entails.

:-) Diane

Leslie wrote:

> .....OK, sorry to flood the list with vet meanderings. If anyone would like to email me offlist, that's fine, so we don't clog up the works......
>
> Ohh no, don't take this discussion off list!! Dogs are part of the family too, ours anyway, and I'm following the discussion with great interest. As long as the subject line lets everyone know what's in the post there's no need to limit where a thread takes us.
> Thanks, Leslie

Tia Leschke

>Heartgard is my recommendation and it's very safe and very
>effective unless you have a collie, in which case talk to your vet.

Just curious, since we don't seem to have heartworm here, but why not
collies? Mine is a border collie cross.
Tia

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Karin

Thanks for your opinion Jessi. I will take it into consideration and probably go with the heartworm prev. med.

Karin


----- Original Message -----
From: Jessi
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations


There is now a shot for 6 months of
protection which is cost effective but please, do the heartworm meds...your
dog will thank you for it...

Please, please please...this one is major for all dog owners as it only
takes one little tiny mosquito to ruin your dogs life!

Jessi


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Karin

Thanks for your opinions and suggestions. I appreciate it. OK. I will prevent.

Karin



----- Original Message -----
From: kbmatlock
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: RE:dog vaccinations


What was it Chandler said once on Friends? "Can open, worms all over
the place!" Oh, well, since "retirement" I sometimes miss practice.
Sort of. A little.

I live in TX, so heartworm preventative is a must. If your vet thinks
the rate has risen there, then you should probably weigh whether to
put your dog on meds based on probability or cost ($25/mo vs. $600 to
treat, with a 10% possibility of contracting the disease, eg). If you
can afford it, by all means, put him on it. The treatment is hard on
them. Heartgard is my recommendation and it's very safe and very
effective unless you have a collie, in which case talk to your vet.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Corina Crane

Someone wrote: (sorry, didn't show up when I hit
reply!):

Since you're a vet, I have a rabies vaccine question
if you don't
mind! I was doing research on vaccines for my kids
and came across a
rabies vaccine that had listed as an ingredient
something that
suggested it might have been cultured on aborted
babies. As a
strongly pro-life family (we dont' give mmr or varivax
vacc. for that
reason), I want to look into this for the next time we
have a pet who
needs a rabies vaccine! Do you know if this is true,
or is it only
true in rabies vaccines from certain manufacturers?
Also, can you
take a religious or ethical exemption to a vaccine in
the same way you
can for children?

Me:

OH MY GOSH! I had no idea! I don't vaccinate my
kids, but I do my dog. Can you give some more info on
this? Or where to look?

Corina


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The problem with the vaccine for large animals, unless they have vastly
improved them, is that they cause absesses and lots of animals had reactions
to them. Also they were not recommened for dairy cows that were being
milked.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: kbmatlock <kbmatlock@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 6:40 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: RE:dog vaccinations


> Also ferrets, since there is a labeled vaccine for them, and cows
> too, I think, since they're not infrequently infected. (Never quote
> me on large animal info, though! :)) Wolf hybrids, check your state
> laws. I was at work last week and one of the techs walked in with her
> pet skunk. Skunks have been illegal as pets in TX for years, so I was
> slightly freaked, but he was clean and quiet and nonsmelly and
> vaccinated. Wouldn't have meant a thing if he bit someone, since it's
> not an approved vaccine, and he would have to be tested, but
> basically, you can vaccinate anything. You just have to know what the
> consequences are.
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Lynda" <lurine@s...> wrote:
> > All states require them for dogs. Most states "recommend" them for
> cats.
> > Quite a few recommend them for horses, particularly after several
> incidences
> > of folks being bitten by rabid horses back in the late 70s.
> >
> > Lynda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <freeform@j...>
> > To: <Unschooling-dotcom@y...>
> > Cc: <Unschooling-dotcom@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] RE:dog vaccinations
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:25:49 -0600 "Karen Matlock"
> <kbmatlock@y...>
> > > writes:
> > > > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you
> get for
> > > your
> > > > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat
> may
> > > only
> > > > need rabies (state law).
> > >
> > > Really? Is that true in all states, do you know?
> > >
> > > Dar, withan unvaccinated child and two unvaccinated indoor cats
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kayb85

I found the site I was
talking about:
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html
"Imovax
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
Connaught Laboratories
1-800-822-2463
produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator
medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal
tissue)"
Sheila


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "kbmatlock" <kbmatlock@y...> wrote:
> I have never heard of an ingredient like that (what was it?
Placenta?
> And if so, are you sure of the source?) in animal rabies vaccine.
> Manufacturers try to culture on the same species it'll be used in,
> but that's not always practical, hence duck embryo vaccines, etc, in
> the past. Human medicine has turned to human recombinant DNA for
> insulin, for example, but I'm not sure of the source. I'll see if I
> can research it. And no, there's no ethical exemption, only medical.
> If I have a dog who's had a life-threatening reaction to rabies
> vaccine, I can write a medical exemption. Rare, though.
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "kayb85" <sheran@p...> wrote:
> > Since you're a vet, I have a rabies vaccine question if you don't
> > mind! I was doing research on vaccines for my kids and came
across
> a
> > rabies vaccine that had listed as an ingredient something that
> > suggested it might have been cultured on aborted babies. As a
> > strongly pro-life family (we dont' give mmr or varivax vacc. for
> that
> > reason), I want to look into this for the next time we have a pet
> who
> > needs a rabies vaccine! Do you know if this is true, or is it
only
> > true in rabies vaccines from certain manufacturers? Also, can you
> > take a religious or ethical exemption to a vaccine in the same way
> you
> > can for children?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sheila
> >
> > > I'm a vet, so I'm sticking my nose in here! What vaccines you
get
> > for your
> > > pets should depend on the environment they're in. An indoor cat
> may
> > only
> > > need rabies (state law). An outdoor one may need to be evaluated
> for
> > risk
> > > from upper respiratory and leukemia viruses. When I practiced in
> an
> > upper
> > > middle class town with well-cared-for dogs, I honestly thought
> parvo
> > was on
> > > the downswing. I changed to a large metropolitan practice, and I
> saw
> > 1-4
> > > parvo cases a day in the summer. Distemper too, and I thought it
> was
> > almost
> > > gone.
> > >
> > > If I were to get another animal, I'd vaccinate routinely for the
> > first year
> > > and every three years after that, depending on where I was. Or
> I'd
> > have
> > > blood titers checked; that's what I do for my own rabies
immunity!
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
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Karen Matlock

The active ingredient in Heartgard, ivermectin, in large doses, can be fatal
for collies. The dose in Heartgard is labeled safe for collies, but they are
much more sensitive and some vets still recommend using a different brand of
preventative (Interceptor or Revolution, for example.) Shelties, border
collies, etc, are not as susceptible, but I've had clients that didn't even
want to take that chance. I've seen two fatalities, both from accidental
overdose in collies (the Lassie type).


>Heartgard is my recommendation and it's very safe and very
>effective unless you have a collie, in which case talk to your vet.

Just curious, since we don't seem to have heartworm here, but why not
collies? Mine is a border collie cross.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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rumpleteasermom

Thank YOU!! I was starting to feel bad for starting the dog thread
by asking about mine.

We go to the vet today. Gotta get rid of these fleas! Tried a flea
bath, tried the natural stuff that works on the cats (and keeps lice
off people too) - nothing works. I think he just had so many that we
are going to need to go the vet route for them. I'm still checking
into low cost neuter programs but I may just cave and pay for him.
(He was taking liberties with a stuffed bear last night.)

Oddly, training the dog is a lot like raising Wyndham in some ways.
I think that's why I can deal with this nearly out of control dog
better than anyone in the family. I'm just more used to it because I
dealt with the same impulsive traits in Wyndham! (No, I don't treat
my son like the dog or compare him to the dog - I just see that they
share a few charateristics.)

Bridget



>
> Ohh no, don't take this discussion off list!! Dogs are part of the
family too, ours anyway, and I'm following the discussion with great
interest. As long as the subject line lets everyone know what's in
the post there's no need to limit where a thread takes us.
> Thanks, Leslie
>
>