re: teethbrushing
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Elsa writes:
from falling asleep on my breast...After $2500 worth of dental work-not to
mention the physical pain and emotional trauma associated with dental work
that extensive, he doesn't have to be reminded to brush his teeth. An
electric toothbrush and a timer also help...
Nancy
Subject: RE: Teeth brushing-was bathing
Elsa writes:
>I’m hoping it’s true that long-term breastfeeding helps.I breastfed Andrew (only) for 28 months and he developed nursing-bottle mouth
from falling asleep on my breast...After $2500 worth of dental work-not to
mention the physical pain and emotional trauma associated with dental work
that extensive, he doesn't have to be reminded to brush his teeth. An
electric toothbrush and a timer also help...
Nancy
Tia Leschke
>Are you sure that was actually the cause? A lot of dentists still believe
>
>I breastfed Andrew (only) for 28 months and he developed nursing-bottle mouth
>from falling asleep on my breast...
that it is, but I don't think any research backs that up. The milk in a
nursing baby's mouth pools at the back, away from the teeth.
My granddaughter had to have her 4 top front teeth pulled because of bad
decay. The dentist they had was convinced that it was the nursing, but my
daughter isn't convinced. And other dentists since have told her that it
wasn't.
Tia
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>I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluidYes, I beleive this is correct. Something about the motion of suckling on
>pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
>the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
>teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
>filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
>Tia
a breast is quite different from a bottle. Hence the milk pooling around
the mouth whereas nursing has more of a movement that draws the milk past
the teeth and doesn't leak.
I can't remember which book I read this in (prolly the one from La Leche).
But I'm sure that genetics has a lot to do with the constitution of the
teeth.
Regards,
Kolleen
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The milk in a nursing baby's mouth pools at the back, away from the
teeth.
At Camie's first dentist visit at about 3 1/2, I was told her enamel
was weakening and she needed to have a few of her teeth capped. Joey
at 2 had decay on four front teeth. Both of them were taken to
surgery. Camie came out with all of her teeth capped in silver -
quite a surprise! Joey had four front teeth on top removed and four
more capped. The dentist said it was from juice in bottles. So when
third child, Andrew, came along, he got absolutely no juice in
bottles, I took the best care of his teeth and he has two very rotten
front teeth - the worst of all three. They don't hurt him but look
awful. We've left them alone. Joey had pain in his teeth so I felt
OK with having them pulled but he still doesn't have any front teeth
and he is 9 years old! We haven't been to the dentist in a while - I
am looking for a new one - and their teeth are relatively healthy.
Our Pediatrician, who I really love, says Andrew should have his
front teeth removed because he could have health problems like
infections constantly. But since I pulled Camie and Joey from school
two years ago, they have been rarely sick and have only needed to go
to the doctor for well check ups. Dh has lousy teeth, mine aren't
perfect but OK. So genetics could be a factor, but this little slice
of "expert advice" has been one more chapter in trusting my own
instincts with my children over what the experts (ie doctors) say.
The guilt I was made to feel over not taking care of the first two
children's teeth was enormous - it's gone now though <g>. When and if
the children have problems with their teeth, like pain, we will go to
the dentist. But I certainly will question carefully whatever the
dentist advises - I won't go back to blind trust. Just hope we can
find one that won't lay on the guilt trip like the last one did and
just treat their teeth!
Thanks for listening to this ramble.
Lisa, mom to Camie - 10, Joey - 9, and Andrew - 5 and learning to
trust myself!
> Are you sure that was actually the cause? A lot of dentists stillbelieve that it is, but I don't think any research backs that up.
The milk in a nursing baby's mouth pools at the back, away from the
teeth.
>Hi all - coming out of lurkdom to add my two cents.
> My granddaughter had to have her 4 top front teeth pulled because
>of bad decay. The dentist they had was convinced that it was the
>nursing, but my daughter isn't convinced. And other dentists since
>have told her that it wasn't.
At Camie's first dentist visit at about 3 1/2, I was told her enamel
was weakening and she needed to have a few of her teeth capped. Joey
at 2 had decay on four front teeth. Both of them were taken to
surgery. Camie came out with all of her teeth capped in silver -
quite a surprise! Joey had four front teeth on top removed and four
more capped. The dentist said it was from juice in bottles. So when
third child, Andrew, came along, he got absolutely no juice in
bottles, I took the best care of his teeth and he has two very rotten
front teeth - the worst of all three. They don't hurt him but look
awful. We've left them alone. Joey had pain in his teeth so I felt
OK with having them pulled but he still doesn't have any front teeth
and he is 9 years old! We haven't been to the dentist in a while - I
am looking for a new one - and their teeth are relatively healthy.
Our Pediatrician, who I really love, says Andrew should have his
front teeth removed because he could have health problems like
infections constantly. But since I pulled Camie and Joey from school
two years ago, they have been rarely sick and have only needed to go
to the doctor for well check ups. Dh has lousy teeth, mine aren't
perfect but OK. So genetics could be a factor, but this little slice
of "expert advice" has been one more chapter in trusting my own
instincts with my children over what the experts (ie doctors) say.
The guilt I was made to feel over not taking care of the first two
children's teeth was enormous - it's gone now though <g>. When and if
the children have problems with their teeth, like pain, we will go to
the dentist. But I certainly will question carefully whatever the
dentist advises - I won't go back to blind trust. Just hope we can
find one that won't lay on the guilt trip like the last one did and
just treat their teeth!
Thanks for listening to this ramble.
Lisa, mom to Camie - 10, Joey - 9, and Andrew - 5 and learning to
trust myself!
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howlin@... writes:
whatever reason) the permanent teeth don't always grow in as quickly as when
the teeth come out on their own. My Nephew, at the age of four was in a car
accident and his two upper front teeth were knocked out. He was almost 11
before his permanent adult teeth came in.
Another aside, if you have a child who has baby teeth, but no permanent teeth
behind them, and the dentist tells you the baby teeth have to come out and a
bridge made for your child.... that isn't always the case. I still have four
baby teeth and have had two different dentists tell me that they needed to
come out and a bridge put in. I have no cavities or decay on those teeth,
they are not loose nor do they hurt or bother me in anyway.
I recently had to change dentists and told her what the other two dentists
had told me, and she said that unless there were problems with the teeth,
they could stay, and that pulling them and putting in a bridge was just
unnecessary and painful work.
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howlin@... writes:
> Joey had pain in his teeth so I feltSometimes, I have noticed, that when baby teeth are *taken too early (for
> OK with having them pulled but he still doesn't have any front teeth
> and he is 9 years old!
whatever reason) the permanent teeth don't always grow in as quickly as when
the teeth come out on their own. My Nephew, at the age of four was in a car
accident and his two upper front teeth were knocked out. He was almost 11
before his permanent adult teeth came in.
Another aside, if you have a child who has baby teeth, but no permanent teeth
behind them, and the dentist tells you the baby teeth have to come out and a
bridge made for your child.... that isn't always the case. I still have four
baby teeth and have had two different dentists tell me that they needed to
come out and a bridge put in. I have no cavities or decay on those teeth,
they are not loose nor do they hurt or bother me in anyway.
I recently had to change dentists and told her what the other two dentists
had told me, and she said that unless there were problems with the teeth,
they could stay, and that pulling them and putting in a bridge was just
unnecessary and painful work.
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Leslie
My youngest had to have root canals in her four front teeth when she was about a year an a half. The specialist said it was from nursing through the night and that I'd better stop immediately. We had to ignore his advice of course, he was asking too much, and to make a long story short, we continued with the nursing on demand for another 4 years and she's never had another cavity. I believe, as Tia pointed out earlier, that the episode had something to do with an illness. It might have been during my pregnancy. Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after a major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. I've known children who are put to bed with a bottle of apple juice and have never had a cavity and others who brush regularly and have problem teeth. I think, more important than brushing, that the kids should get used to regular flossing, unhealthy gums lead to a myriad of health problems.
Leslie
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Leslie
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Lynda
I wonder if something else is going on. People have nursed, including
through the night from the beginning of time. Since the advent of bottles,
babies have nursed/chewed on bottles through the night. The kidlets were
all in my bed and nursed all night. The kidlets all loved juice and hauled
a bottle around or a tommy tippy cup after the bottle full of juice. Not
one of the kidlets had any teeth problems, not even a cavity. Well, except
son #3 who had a root canal when he was 7 but that was compliments of a kid
shoving him into a metal post.
None of my aunts and uncles had any teeth problems and my grandmother was
the one who told me that she thought that putting babies in bassinets was
the reason for SIDS and that all hers had stayed in her bed until they were
bumped out by the next child.
I wonder if it isn't all the chemicals/pesticides/preservatives in foods,
chemicals and allowable levels of pesticides in water and the off-gassing
from plastics and teflon, etc.
Years ago we didn't think anything was wrong with drinking or smoking during
a pregnancy. I wonder if later we will find out that all these
"conveniences" are responsible for this rash of tooth problems in small
children.
Lynda
through the night from the beginning of time. Since the advent of bottles,
babies have nursed/chewed on bottles through the night. The kidlets were
all in my bed and nursed all night. The kidlets all loved juice and hauled
a bottle around or a tommy tippy cup after the bottle full of juice. Not
one of the kidlets had any teeth problems, not even a cavity. Well, except
son #3 who had a root canal when he was 7 but that was compliments of a kid
shoving him into a metal post.
None of my aunts and uncles had any teeth problems and my grandmother was
the one who told me that she thought that putting babies in bassinets was
the reason for SIDS and that all hers had stayed in her bed until they were
bumped out by the next child.
I wonder if it isn't all the chemicals/pesticides/preservatives in foods,
chemicals and allowable levels of pesticides in water and the off-gassing
from plastics and teflon, etc.
Years ago we didn't think anything was wrong with drinking or smoking during
a pregnancy. I wonder if later we will find out that all these
"conveniences" are responsible for this rash of tooth problems in small
children.
Lynda
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From: Leslie <leslie@...>
> My youngest had to have root canals in her four front teeth when she was
about a year an a half. The specialist said it was from nursing through the
night and that I'd better stop immediately. We had to ignore his advice of
course, he was asking too much, and to make a long story short, we continued
with the nursing on demand for another 4 years and she's never had another
cavity. I believe, as Tia pointed out earlier, that the episode had
something to do with an illness. It might have been during my pregnancy.
Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after a
major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a
correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. I've known children who are
put to bed with a bottle of apple juice and have never had a cavity and
others who brush regularly and have problem teeth. I think, more important
than brushing, that the kids should get used to regular flossing, unhealthy
gums lead to a myriad of health problems.
> Leslie
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Lelia had gotten some battery operated toothbrushes. . . she gave one to
Quinton this morning, and he brushed for at least 15 minutes. I am hoping it
last because his toothbrushing is sporadic. We just used water because I
thought it would be too much bubbles with that much brushing. He does like
the spitting part though, but then you have to be near the sink.
I dont think the cavitiy issue has ANYTHING to do with nursing or bottles. .
. there is just too much evidence to the contrary. I remember reading
somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
actually has properties that prevent cavaties, and this was a study of
putting teeth in breastmilk or something like that. Maybe someone on another
list will have that info. . . I will ask.
living in abundance
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Quinton this morning, and he brushed for at least 15 minutes. I am hoping it
last because his toothbrushing is sporadic. We just used water because I
thought it would be too much bubbles with that much brushing. He does like
the spitting part though, but then you have to be near the sink.
I dont think the cavitiy issue has ANYTHING to do with nursing or bottles. .
. there is just too much evidence to the contrary. I remember reading
somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
actually has properties that prevent cavaties, and this was a study of
putting teeth in breastmilk or something like that. Maybe someone on another
list will have that info. . . I will ask.
living in abundance
lovemary
I cannot judge my own path and SELF, having the knowledge that I have chosen
to come here to experience these specific issues and grow, learn, and
Remember Who I Am.
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Tia Leschke
>I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluid
>
>I dont think the cavitiy issue has ANYTHING to do with nursing or bottles. .
>. there is just too much evidence to the contrary. I remember reading
>somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
>actually has properties that prevent cavaties, and this was a study of
>putting teeth in breastmilk or something like that. Maybe someone on another
>list will have that info. . . I will ask.
pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
Tia
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Well, my dd is still nursing (often), has never had a bottle, and has front teeth so decayed
that they're pointed. Makes nursing painful sometimes.
:-) Diane
Tia Leschke wrote:
that they're pointed. Makes nursing painful sometimes.
:-) Diane
Tia Leschke wrote:
> >I dont think the cavitiy issue has ANYTHING to do with nursing or bottles. .
> >. there is just too much evidence to the contrary. I remember reading
> >somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
> >actually has properties that prevent cavaties, and this was a study of
> >putting teeth in breastmilk or something like that. Maybe someone on another
> >list will have that info. . . I will ask.
>
> I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluid
> pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
> the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
> teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
> filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
> Tia
>
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girl, but it *was* something like koolaid in the bottle.
Tia
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>Well, my dd is still nursing (often), has never had a bottle, and hasOuch! No dried fruit? Not a lot of juice? Maybe I was wrong about that
>front teeth so decayed
>that they're pointed. Makes nursing painful sometimes.
girl, but it *was* something like koolaid in the bottle.
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My breast fed baby, no bottles, no apple juice or sweet red stuff, developed cavities in her four front teeth, as an infant. The doctor at Sick Kids Hospital insisted it was from breast feeding through the night! We continued to breast feed on demand for years afterward and never had another problem. These days she has a very active sweet tooth and she brushes in the morning and at night and hasn't had a cavity since. My unprofessional opinion is that cavities have more to do with viruses and infections than starches or sugars.
Leslie
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From: Kolleen
To: Unschooling.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: teethbrushing
>I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluid
>pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
>the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
>teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
>filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
>Tia
Yes, I beleive this is correct. Something about the motion of suckling on
a breast is quite different from a bottle. Hence the milk pooling around
the mouth whereas nursing has more of a movement that draws the milk past
the teeth and doesn't leak.
I can't remember which book I read this in (prolly the one from La Leche).
But I'm sure that genetics has a lot to do with the constitution of the
teeth.
Regards,
Kolleen
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Nope. No dried fruit--well, we had some raisins one month, but you get the idea. Yeah, I feel
really guilty now about the judgemental attitude I had about my friend's toddler's tooth decay,
because she always carried around a binky (pacifier or dummy), blankie, and sippy cup filled
with syrupy sludge.
She eats about the same stuff as her brother, who has a mouthful of pearly whites. Nurses more
than he did, though, because I was pregnant during his second year. Mmmm, no illnesses of note,
either. Dunno.
:-) Diane
Tia Leschke wrote:
really guilty now about the judgemental attitude I had about my friend's toddler's tooth decay,
because she always carried around a binky (pacifier or dummy), blankie, and sippy cup filled
with syrupy sludge.
She eats about the same stuff as her brother, who has a mouthful of pearly whites. Nurses more
than he did, though, because I was pregnant during his second year. Mmmm, no illnesses of note,
either. Dunno.
:-) Diane
Tia Leschke wrote:
> At 10:35 PM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >Well, my dd is still nursing (often), has never had a bottle, and has
> >front teeth so decayed
> >that they're pointed. Makes nursing painful sometimes.
>
> Ouch! No dried fruit? Not a lot of juice? Maybe I was wrong about that
> girl, but it *was* something like koolaid in the bottle.
> Tia
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In a message dated 12/10/01 9:20:31 AM, leslie@... writes:
<< Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after
a major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a
correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. >>
I myself have had a large number of cavities and the more I get, the more
conscientious I am about my teeth, yet the cavities continue. In my mind I
have solved this mystery, although my dentist doesn't agree. I suffer from
allergies that have only cropped up in the last 5-6 during which time I have
been pregnant or breastfeeding the entire time. Because of the allergies, I
do a lot of mouth breathing, which keeps my mouth and teeth dry, which is
very bad for them. Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can breathe
through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said a dry
mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my cavities.
Also if a dry mouth is bad, night nursing can only help, right?
Melinda in Illinois
<< Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after
a major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a
correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. >>
I myself have had a large number of cavities and the more I get, the more
conscientious I am about my teeth, yet the cavities continue. In my mind I
have solved this mystery, although my dentist doesn't agree. I suffer from
allergies that have only cropped up in the last 5-6 during which time I have
been pregnant or breastfeeding the entire time. Because of the allergies, I
do a lot of mouth breathing, which keeps my mouth and teeth dry, which is
very bad for them. Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can breathe
through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said a dry
mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my cavities.
Also if a dry mouth is bad, night nursing can only help, right?
Melinda in Illinois
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In a message dated 12/10/01 12:42:20 PM, lite2yu@... writes:
<< I remember reading
somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
actually has properties that prevent cavaties >>
Breastmilk has antibacterial properties, and would probably help with
bacteria in your mouth. You can also express milk and put drops directly in
ears for infections, eyes for pinkeye, or nose for a stuffy baby nose.
<< I remember reading
somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
actually has properties that prevent cavaties >>
Breastmilk has antibacterial properties, and would probably help with
bacteria in your mouth. You can also express milk and put drops directly in
ears for infections, eyes for pinkeye, or nose for a stuffy baby nose.
rumpleteasermom
You may have something there! I've always been a mouth breahter. I
have lots of airborne allergies so my sinuses are usually swollen. I
have always had lots of cavities.
BUT - I also think over brushing is as bad as if not worse than
underbrushing. I have found that if I brush more than once a day, I
get MORE cavities not less. I also believe (against everything every
dentist ever told me) that my smaller cavities can heal themselves.
I think there is some genetic influence involved too. My dh never
had a single cavity in an adult tooth. My oldest has great teeth
just like his. My middle one has my teeth and the youngest must have
dh's teeth or they would have fallen out by now.
Bridget
have lots of airborne allergies so my sinuses are usually swollen. I
have always had lots of cavities.
BUT - I also think over brushing is as bad as if not worse than
underbrushing. I have found that if I brush more than once a day, I
get MORE cavities not less. I also believe (against everything every
dentist ever told me) that my smaller cavities can heal themselves.
I think there is some genetic influence involved too. My dh never
had a single cavity in an adult tooth. My oldest has great teeth
just like his. My middle one has my teeth and the youngest must have
dh's teeth or they would have fallen out by now.
Bridget
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. Because of the allergies, I
> do a lot of mouth breathing, which keeps my mouth and teeth dry,
which is
> very bad for them. Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can
breathe
> through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said
a dry
> mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my
cavities.
> Also if a dry mouth is bad, night nursing can only help, right?
>
> Melinda in Illinois
Leslie
I heard a health news report yesterday that said athletes suffer from more viruses and infections than other people. This is because their excessive physical activity leaves their bodies in a dryer, less mucous, state. This proves your theory too! I've also read that saliva is full of antibodies, that protect the body from illness being received orally, and also protect the teeth.
My dd, that had the cavities as an infant, got her first tooth at four months and a day. When the cavities appeared it seemed to happen in an instant. One day the teeth looked perfect the next day she had obvious decay. It cost thousands to have the work done to restore them. I had my first truly adult reality check when I realized how vulnerable we are and how lucky for us that we could afford to take care of this. My heart has been broken ever since for all of the children who can't get proper dental treatment... All of the mothers all over the world who can't keep they're babies safe etc etc etc.........I'm afraid that becoming a mother is truly an affliction one can never recover from!!! With the greatest joy the greatest sorrow is born too?
It's no wonder most of the population turns away from empathy in favour of rationality and judgment. As my dad says, "Shit happens" !!
Leslie, obviously having a melancholy morning<bg>
<< Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after
a major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a
correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. >>
I myself have had a large number of cavities and the more I get, the more
conscientious I am about my teeth, yet the cavities continue. In my mind I
have solved this mystery, although my dentist doesn't agree. I suffer from
allergies that have only cropped up in the last 5-6 during which time I have
been pregnant or breastfeeding the entire time. Because of the allergies, I
do a lot of mouth breathing, which keeps my mouth and teeth dry, which is
very bad for them. Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can breathe
through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said a dry
mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my cavities.
Also if a dry mouth is bad, night nursing can only help, right?
Melinda in Illinois
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My dd, that had the cavities as an infant, got her first tooth at four months and a day. When the cavities appeared it seemed to happen in an instant. One day the teeth looked perfect the next day she had obvious decay. It cost thousands to have the work done to restore them. I had my first truly adult reality check when I realized how vulnerable we are and how lucky for us that we could afford to take care of this. My heart has been broken ever since for all of the children who can't get proper dental treatment... All of the mothers all over the world who can't keep they're babies safe etc etc etc.........I'm afraid that becoming a mother is truly an affliction one can never recover from!!! With the greatest joy the greatest sorrow is born too?
It's no wonder most of the population turns away from empathy in favour of rationality and judgment. As my dad says, "Shit happens" !!
Leslie, obviously having a melancholy morning<bg>
<< Each of my kids has had an episode of cavities and each was shortly after
a major cold/flu or some such virus. The dentists don't seem to see a
correlation but I'm convinced that there is one. >>
I myself have had a large number of cavities and the more I get, the more
conscientious I am about my teeth, yet the cavities continue. In my mind I
have solved this mystery, although my dentist doesn't agree. I suffer from
allergies that have only cropped up in the last 5-6 during which time I have
been pregnant or breastfeeding the entire time. Because of the allergies, I
do a lot of mouth breathing, which keeps my mouth and teeth dry, which is
very bad for them. Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can breathe
through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said a dry
mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my cavities.
Also if a dry mouth is bad, night nursing can only help, right?
Melinda in Illinois
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Elsa Haas
Nancy,
La Leche League says dentists will often blame "falling asleep at the breast" for tooth decay, but that this isn't in fact the cause.
If you have ever seen a diagram of what the breast would look like in profile if we could see inside the mouth, you'll understand what LLL is saying. The nipple is drawn far, far into the mouth, almost to the throat. So, they say, the milk can't pool near the teeth the way milk (or juice) from a bottle can.
I've seen some articles on this question, in LLL publications and in Mothering Magazine, with statistical studies on cavities in bottlefed and breastfed babies, and it made sense to me. Anecdotally, our son still nurses day and night (at 2-1/2 years) and so far shows no sign of tooth decay.
There are lots of factors involved, so who knows?
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: nanandter@... [mailto:nanandter@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
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Elsa writes:
from falling asleep on my breast...After $2500 worth of dental work-not to
mention the physical pain and emotional trauma associated with dental work
that extensive, he doesn't have to be reminded to brush his teeth. An
electric toothbrush and a timer also help...
Nancy
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La Leche League says dentists will often blame "falling asleep at the breast" for tooth decay, but that this isn't in fact the cause.
If you have ever seen a diagram of what the breast would look like in profile if we could see inside the mouth, you'll understand what LLL is saying. The nipple is drawn far, far into the mouth, almost to the throat. So, they say, the milk can't pool near the teeth the way milk (or juice) from a bottle can.
I've seen some articles on this question, in LLL publications and in Mothering Magazine, with statistical studies on cavities in bottlefed and breastfed babies, and it made sense to me. Anecdotally, our son still nurses day and night (at 2-1/2 years) and so far shows no sign of tooth decay.
There are lots of factors involved, so who knows?
Elsa Haas
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From: nanandter@... [mailto:nanandter@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] re: teethbrushing
Message: 6
Subject: RE: Teeth brushing-was bathing
Elsa writes:
>I’m hoping it’s true that long-term breastfeeding helps.I breastfed Andrew (only) for 28 months and he developed nursing-bottle mouth
from falling asleep on my breast...After $2500 worth of dental work-not to
mention the physical pain and emotional trauma associated with dental work
that extensive, he doesn't have to be reminded to brush his teeth. An
electric toothbrush and a timer also help...
Nancy
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>La Leche League says dentists will often blame "falling asleep at thebreast" for >tooth decay, but that this isn't in fact the cause.
When you consider that he slept primarily on my left breast (his right side
facing down) and all the decay he had was on his right side (right central,
lateral and incisor), I believe it was from breast milk pooling in his mouth.
That's not to say that other factors don't figure into it--my youngest
daughter nursed for 25 months (all night, every night) and she didn't have
"nursing bottle mouth". She starting having problems with her teeth when she
developed allergies (around age 5) and had to start using antihistimines.
And my son doesn't have allergies and has taken VERY little medication.
Go figure......
Nancy (who would nurse all night again, if I had a baby now .....)
Diane
Leslie wrote:
:-) Diane
> My dd, that had the cavities as an infant, got her first tooth at four months and a day. When the cavities appeared it seemed to happen in an instant. One day the teeth looked perfect the next day she had obvious decay.Exactly! I thought her tooth had grown in malformed, and our regular dentist said it probably had been chipped. Later I realized it was decay, after it had spread to the surrounding teeth. We have a dental appointment in the morning--took months to get in :-(
> Also, if I succumb to an antihistamine, I can breatheThere is an artificial saliva product on the market that might help with this. I *think* it's available over the counter, and you'd just squirt some in before you go to bed, and maybe when you get up during the night to keep your mouth moist. Might help, might not, but cheap to try, huh?
> through my nose, but my mouth is even drier. The dentist has said a dry
> mouth is bad for your teeth, just doesn't believe it is causing my cavities.
:-) Diane
Elsa Haas
I don't know whether my other message on this got through - I was having
some computer problems.
What I said was that the reason breastfeeding at night doesn't cause the
same problem as a bottle does (with milk pooling around the teeth) is
supposed to be because the breast actually extends enormously, way far back
into the mouth, to where the throat begins. I saw a drawing of this once in
a book. It was drawn in profile, as if the child's mouth were "see-through",
and it was amazing to see how far that part of the breast (not just the
nipple, but the entire areola) "stretches". (Now, I don't know how the
authors of this book knew this, but that was what they were claiming.)
The other reason breastmilk is not supposed to be a danger to teeth is that,
as someone mentioned, it contains substances that help prevent tooth decay
(maybe antibodies, I'm not sure).
Anyway, as several people have said, there are a lot of factors involved,
including genetics, so I wouldn't leap to conclusions upon seeing any
individual kid with decayed teeth. (Except that Koolaid in a bottle would
seem to be a bad idea in general, and breastfeeding is probably not the
culprit some medical people make it out to be.)
Elsa Haas
Kolleen wrote:
<>
Something about the motion of suckling on
a breast is quite different from a bottle. Hence the milk pooling around
the mouth whereas nursing has more of a movement that draws the milk past
the teeth and doesn't leak.
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some computer problems.
What I said was that the reason breastfeeding at night doesn't cause the
same problem as a bottle does (with milk pooling around the teeth) is
supposed to be because the breast actually extends enormously, way far back
into the mouth, to where the throat begins. I saw a drawing of this once in
a book. It was drawn in profile, as if the child's mouth were "see-through",
and it was amazing to see how far that part of the breast (not just the
nipple, but the entire areola) "stretches". (Now, I don't know how the
authors of this book knew this, but that was what they were claiming.)
The other reason breastmilk is not supposed to be a danger to teeth is that,
as someone mentioned, it contains substances that help prevent tooth decay
(maybe antibodies, I'm not sure).
Anyway, as several people have said, there are a lot of factors involved,
including genetics, so I wouldn't leap to conclusions upon seeing any
individual kid with decayed teeth. (Except that Koolaid in a bottle would
seem to be a bad idea in general, and breastfeeding is probably not the
culprit some medical people make it out to be.)
Elsa Haas
Kolleen wrote:
<>
Something about the motion of suckling on
a breast is quite different from a bottle. Hence the milk pooling around
the mouth whereas nursing has more of a movement that draws the milk past
the teeth and doesn't leak.
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/14/2001 8:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ElsaHaas@... writes:
sometimes it feels like my breast is being pulled down into Quinton's
intestines. . . wow, that boy can suck!! But it is so worth it. . . if he
does manage to get sick, he is over it within a day because he will nurse and
nurse and nurse. Monday he had some kind of stomach bug, and was throwing up
anything he ate or drank, excpet breastmilk. Whenever he nursed (and he was
able to nurse more than usual) he kept that down. By the next day he was
fine. Geez, was I glad to be still nursing him. It's so nice to be able to
give him the perfect food, because he sure doesn't get that from whatever
else he eats.
living in abundance
lovemary
I cannot judge my own path and SELF, having the knowledge that I have chosen
to come here to experience these specific issues and grow, learn, and
Remember Who I Am.
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ElsaHaas@... writes:
> ". (Now, I don't know how theI was going to say. . . they must have had fun doing THIS research!! I know
>
sometimes it feels like my breast is being pulled down into Quinton's
intestines. . . wow, that boy can suck!! But it is so worth it. . . if he
does manage to get sick, he is over it within a day because he will nurse and
nurse and nurse. Monday he had some kind of stomach bug, and was throwing up
anything he ate or drank, excpet breastmilk. Whenever he nursed (and he was
able to nurse more than usual) he kept that down. By the next day he was
fine. Geez, was I glad to be still nursing him. It's so nice to be able to
give him the perfect food, because he sure doesn't get that from whatever
else he eats.
living in abundance
lovemary
I cannot judge my own path and SELF, having the knowledge that I have chosen
to come here to experience these specific issues and grow, learn, and
Remember Who I Am.
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Donna B
After having one child with 9 cavities by the time he was 7 or 8 (and he was not a candy eater -- he just got a lot of natural sugar in veggies and fruits, his favorite things) we got more careful with our 3rd child. She hated brushing her teeth, so we tried numerous brushes, pastes, water, etc. Finally, an egg timer that she could turn over herself got her interest. Sometimes, I think it's just hitting upon the one thing that makes them motivated -- good luck!
D
D
----- Original Message -----
From: nanandter@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] re: teethbrushing
Message: 6
Subject: RE: Teeth brushing-was bathing
Elsa writes:
>I’m hoping it’s true that long-term breastfeeding helps.
I breastfed Andrew (only) for 28 months and he developed nursing-bottle mouth
from falling asleep on my breast...After $2500 worth of dental work-not to
mention the physical pain and emotional trauma associated with dental work
that extensive, he doesn't have to be reminded to brush his teeth. An
electric toothbrush and a timer also help...
Nancy
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Donna B
If a child is reclined at the right level, the milk from a bottle pools at the back of the mouth. I've been checking on this lately with my youngest, as he insists on a bottle around 330am daily (I'll spare the details of what happens when he doesn't get that bottle <G> as we've tried to take it away on the advice of the ped).
D
D
----- Original Message -----
From: Tia Leschke
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: teethbrushing
>
>
>I dont think the cavitiy issue has ANYTHING to do with nursing or bottles. .
>. there is just too much evidence to the contrary. I remember reading
>somewhere but I cannot remember for the life of me right now that breastmilk
>actually has properties that prevent cavaties, and this was a study of
>putting teeth in breastmilk or something like that. Maybe someone on another
>list will have that info. . . I will ask.
I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluid
pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
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Donna B
My dentist recently told me that the majority of children with 'bad' teeth (teeth that decay easily, lose enamel early, etc.) have one parent that has or had problems. So far, in our family, this seems to be the case. Bottles nowadays are made to be very similar to true nipples -- I did a lot of comparing when I switched from nursing to bottlefeeding, and was pleasantly surprised to see good changes since my last child.
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From: Kolleen
To: Unschooling.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: teethbrushing
>I think it *does* have to do with bottles. In bottle-feeding, the fluid
>pools around the teeth, whereas in breastfeeding, it pools at the back of
>the mouth. I saw a little girl about 2 years old on a bus once. Her front
>teeth were so decayed that they were pointed. She was sucking on a bottle
>filled with something that looked like kool-aid the whole bus ride.
>Tia
Yes, I beleive this is correct. Something about the motion of suckling on
a breast is quite different from a bottle. Hence the milk pooling around
the mouth whereas nursing has more of a movement that draws the milk past
the teeth and doesn't leak.
I can't remember which book I read this in (prolly the one from La Leche).
But I'm sure that genetics has a lot to do with the constitution of the
teeth.
Regards,
Kolleen
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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Donna B" <Donnabzy@e...> wrote:
with my youngest, as he insists on a bottle around 330am daily (I'll
spare the details of what happens when he doesn't get that bottle <G>
as we've tried to take it away on the advice of the ped).
extra nourishment because he was growing very rapidly. I don't know
how old yours is but mine went from the very bottom of the growth
chart at birth to darn near the top of it now at age nine. He
crossed the midpoint at around 1. My ped tried to tell me not to let
him eat in the middle of the night too. He stopped on his own
eventually.
Bridget
> If a child is reclined at the right level, the milk from a bottlepools at the back of the mouth. I've been checking on this lately
with my youngest, as he insists on a bottle around 330am daily (I'll
spare the details of what happens when he doesn't get that bottle <G>
as we've tried to take it away on the advice of the ped).
>I just want to say keep ignoring that ped! My youngest needed that
> D
extra nourishment because he was growing very rapidly. I don't know
how old yours is but mine went from the very bottom of the growth
chart at birth to darn near the top of it now at age nine. He
crossed the midpoint at around 1. My ped tried to tell me not to let
him eat in the middle of the night too. He stopped on his own
eventually.
Bridget