albino redwood trees
Cindy
Tia Leschke wrote:
tree. As we were sitting paying for our tree, Megan shouts, "there's
an albino redwood." I didn't have the camera or I would have taken a
picture. I will try on Momday - I think they'd make a neat picture!
I'm not sure what happens when they get to 20 feet. I would think that
since the nourishment they get is from the other trees in their ring, that
would be as tall as they could get. Since the needles have no chlorophyll,
they have to get everything from their sibling trees.
Lynda do you know if there are albino trees in your area?
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>We found a new one today! We went to a Christmas tree farm to cut our
> >
> >I am in California - in the Santa Cruz Mountains. I've been here over
> >25 years and I never heard of them either. Somehow they mutate and have
> >white needles - they can grow to about 20 feet high in part of a nursery
> >ring - that ring of little trees that pop up when a big, old one dies.
> >I saw two at Henry Cowell State Park and a friend says there are some
> >at Big Basin. Fred, our nature walk leader, says that there is a network
> >of people who know where they are but since some people have come along
> >and destroyed the trees, their locations are only given to people who
> >can be trusted to keep them safe. I don't know if this is a recent
> >phenomena or not.
>
> Cool. If you ever get pictures of them, I'd love to see them. I doubt
> I'll ever get down to actually see them in the flesh, so to speak. I've
> wanted to go down for a visit for a long time, but have never had the money
> to do it right. (The last time I was down was over 20 years ago when my
> grandmother died, and I had no car to get to my favorite old haunts.)
>
> So do they only grow to about 20 feet and then die or what?
>
tree. As we were sitting paying for our tree, Megan shouts, "there's
an albino redwood." I didn't have the camera or I would have taken a
picture. I will try on Momday - I think they'd make a neat picture!
I'm not sure what happens when they get to 20 feet. I would think that
since the nourishment they get is from the other trees in their ring, that
would be as tall as they could get. Since the needles have no chlorophyll,
they have to get everything from their sibling trees.
Lynda do you know if there are albino trees in your area?
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
Lynda
As far as I know, these trees are white for two reasons. 1) Something goes
wrong with their cell development when they first grow and they don't have
or properly use the cells that produce green and 2) they don't get enough
sunlight for the fewer or mutated cells that they have. Now, theoretically
they shouldn't be able to survive but they do because they get what they
need from the "mother" tree.
Up here there are some in Founder's Grove and Women's Federation Grove
(don't know if they still have any) and the few others I had heard of up
here since the 1980s (when Palco bought up everything) were so far back and
only accessible by logging roads that you couldn't get to them. Also, Palco
is such a [fill in the blank with harsh word(s) of choice] that as soon as
anything like that appears they destroy them! They have also bulldozed all
the "ghost" towns and old mining camps that date back to the 1850s.
Also, tourists are inclined to kill off the babies by taking limbs and
twigs. And, the thing is once they dry out you can't tell a white from a
green, they both turn the same color brown.
We use to hear about them all the time before Palco bought almost all the
land up here. The the folks of European descent called them fairy rings and
the local First Nations folks called them prayer rings or medicine rings.
They had lots of stories about them. Among First Nations peoples all living
things were considered "brothers" and "sisters." However, about half way
between us (Sonoma County) were the Pomo and they didn't like the forests,
considered them haunted. Which is real different.
Here's a link that has a reference to the albino redwoods. I have one of
those suckers that supposedly won't grow (Baby Armstrong is about 7' tall
now) which I took off the Colonel Armstrong tree (bad Lynda <g>) from the
Armstrong Grove out on the Russian River.
http://www.sacredsonoma.com/armstrong.html
This link tells about some in Founders Grove.
http://www.earthsky.com/2000/es001028.html
It is hard to get a picture of them that really shows the "white" because
they reflect the colors around them in photos.
Lynda, who will shut up now but ya picked one of my favorite things <g>
wrong with their cell development when they first grow and they don't have
or properly use the cells that produce green and 2) they don't get enough
sunlight for the fewer or mutated cells that they have. Now, theoretically
they shouldn't be able to survive but they do because they get what they
need from the "mother" tree.
Up here there are some in Founder's Grove and Women's Federation Grove
(don't know if they still have any) and the few others I had heard of up
here since the 1980s (when Palco bought up everything) were so far back and
only accessible by logging roads that you couldn't get to them. Also, Palco
is such a [fill in the blank with harsh word(s) of choice] that as soon as
anything like that appears they destroy them! They have also bulldozed all
the "ghost" towns and old mining camps that date back to the 1850s.
Also, tourists are inclined to kill off the babies by taking limbs and
twigs. And, the thing is once they dry out you can't tell a white from a
green, they both turn the same color brown.
We use to hear about them all the time before Palco bought almost all the
land up here. The the folks of European descent called them fairy rings and
the local First Nations folks called them prayer rings or medicine rings.
They had lots of stories about them. Among First Nations peoples all living
things were considered "brothers" and "sisters." However, about half way
between us (Sonoma County) were the Pomo and they didn't like the forests,
considered them haunted. Which is real different.
Here's a link that has a reference to the albino redwoods. I have one of
those suckers that supposedly won't grow (Baby Armstrong is about 7' tall
now) which I took off the Colonel Armstrong tree (bad Lynda <g>) from the
Armstrong Grove out on the Russian River.
http://www.sacredsonoma.com/armstrong.html
This link tells about some in Founders Grove.
http://www.earthsky.com/2000/es001028.html
It is hard to get a picture of them that really shows the "white" because
they reflect the colors around them in photos.
Lynda, who will shut up now but ya picked one of my favorite things <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy <crma@...>
>
> We found a new one today! We went to a Christmas tree farm to cut our
> tree. As we were sitting paying for our tree, Megan shouts, "there's
> an albino redwood." I didn't have the camera or I would have taken a
> picture. I will try on Momday - I think they'd make a neat picture!
>
> I'm not sure what happens when they get to 20 feet. I would think that
> since the nourishment they get is from the other trees in their ring, that
> would be as tall as they could get. Since the needles have no
chlorophyll,
> they have to get everything from their sibling trees.
>
> Lynda do you know if there are albino trees in your area?
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
Cindy
Lynda wrote:
except the other parent! He also suggested that when we visit the big
one again we make sure no one can see us going off the trail.
It's interesting to know that they are up there too!
I have a redwood tree here that is probably 800-900 years old. It has
a big burn scar on it so it wasn't logged when they went thru here in
the 60s and 70s! I really love redwoods - there's no other tree quite
like them.
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
>That's why Fred took us to one only if we promised not to tell anyone
> Also, tourists are inclined to kill off the babies by taking limbs and
> twigs. And, the thing is once they dry out you can't tell a white from a
> green, they both turn the same color brown.
>
except the other parent! He also suggested that when we visit the big
one again we make sure no one can see us going off the trail.
It's interesting to know that they are up there too!
I have a redwood tree here that is probably 800-900 years old. It has
a big burn scar on it so it wasn't logged when they went thru here in
the 60s and 70s! I really love redwoods - there's no other tree quite
like them.
--
Cindy Ferguson
crma@...
Lynda
Well, I call them the only "real" trees <g> The rest are just over grown
shrubs and future telephone poles <g>
And, folks, as those that have been there can attest, there is nothing else
in the world like being in a grove of, particularly old growth, redwoods.
It is like stepping back in time and has a sprititual effect on folks,
regardless of religious beliefs. I took a friend that is an athiest and she
has been working hard to explain away the way she felt.
If you ever get a chance, visit a grove that is off the beaten path!
Lynda
shrubs and future telephone poles <g>
And, folks, as those that have been there can attest, there is nothing else
in the world like being in a grove of, particularly old growth, redwoods.
It is like stepping back in time and has a sprititual effect on folks,
regardless of religious beliefs. I took a friend that is an athiest and she
has been working hard to explain away the way she felt.
If you ever get a chance, visit a grove that is off the beaten path!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy <crma@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] albino redwood trees
>
>
> Lynda wrote:
> >
> > Also, tourists are inclined to kill off the babies by taking limbs and
> > twigs. And, the thing is once they dry out you can't tell a white from
a
> > green, they both turn the same color brown.
> >
>
> That's why Fred took us to one only if we promised not to tell anyone
> except the other parent! He also suggested that when we visit the big
> one again we make sure no one can see us going off the trail.
>
> It's interesting to know that they are up there too!
>
> I have a redwood tree here that is probably 800-900 years old. It has
> a big burn scar on it so it wasn't logged when they went thru here in
> the 60s and 70s! I really love redwoods - there's no other tree quite
> like them.
>
> --
>
> Cindy Ferguson
> crma@...
>
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Tia Leschke
>As far as I know, these trees are white for two reasons. 1) Something goes----------
>wrong with their cell development when they first grow and they don't have
>or properly use the cells that produce green and 2) they don't get enough
>sunlight for the fewer or mutated cells that they have. Now, theoretically
>they shouldn't be able to survive but they do because they get what they
>need from the "mother" tree.
>
>Up here there are some in Founder's Grove and Women's Federation Grove
>(don't know if they still have any) and the few others I had heard of up
>here since the 1980s (when Palco bought up everything) were so far back and
>only accessible by logging roads that you couldn't get to them. Also, Palco
>is such a [fill in the blank with harsh word(s) of choice] that as soon as
>anything like that appears they destroy them! They have also bulldozed all
>the "ghost" towns and old mining camps that date back to the 1850s.
>
>Also, tourists are inclined to kill off the babies by taking limbs and
>twigs. And, the thing is once they dry out you can't tell a white from a
>green, they both turn the same color brown.
>
>We use to hear about them all the time before Palco bought almost all the
>land up here. The the folks of European descent called them fairy rings and
>the local First Nations folks called them prayer rings or medicine rings.
>They had lots of stories about them. Among First Nations peoples all living
>things were considered "brothers" and "sisters." However, about half way
>between us (Sonoma County) were the Pomo and they didn't like the forests,
>considered them haunted. Which is real different.
>
>Here's a link that has a reference to the albino redwoods. I have one of
>those suckers that supposedly won't grow (Baby Armstrong is about 7' tall
>now) which I took off the Colonel Armstrong tree (bad Lynda <g>) from the
>Armstrong Grove out on the Russian River.
>http://www.sacredsonoma.com/armstrong.html
>
>This link tells about some in Founders Grove.
>http://www.earthsky.com/2000/es001028.html
>
>It is hard to get a picture of them that really shows the "white" because
>they reflect the colors around them in photos.
>
>Lynda, who will shut up now but ya picked one of my favorite things <g>
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