Real dyslexia
Julie Stauffer
Yessiree folks, we have once again been cornered by Head of Ranch Security.
Tell us Hank, exactly what is "real dyslexia"? How is "real dyslexia"
diagnosed as opposed to fake dyslexia? Exactly what is the cause of "real
dyslexia", not a theory that could just as easily be explained away by
anxiety, but the "real" cause of "real dyslexia"?
Julie
Tell us Hank, exactly what is "real dyslexia"? How is "real dyslexia"
diagnosed as opposed to fake dyslexia? Exactly what is the cause of "real
dyslexia", not a theory that could just as easily be explained away by
anxiety, but the "real" cause of "real dyslexia"?
Julie
Lynda
Gee, even if Star Search were still around, I'm not thinking this would win
the $100,000 for comedy routines. But to answer the question, however
snidely (or would that be snarkily) put, for starters, dyslexia does not
mean "difficulty reading." That is a ps definition put out there by
non-medically trained personnel intent on getting more special ed money.
Under the dyslexia umbrella are:
Dyslexia - a language-based disability in which a person has trouble
understanding words, sentences or paragraphs; both oral and written language
are affected.
Dyscalculia - a mathematical disability in which a person has unusual
difficulty solving arithmetic problems and grasping math concepts.
Dysgraphia - a neurological-based writing disability in which a person finds
it hard to form letters or write within a defined space.
Dyslexics are visual, multi-dimensional thinkers sometimes described as
"intuitive and highly creative, and excel at hands-on learning." They think
in pictures, so it is sometimes hard for them to understand letters,
numbers, symbols, and the spoken and written words.
Dyslexia is a congenital and developmental condition which creates
neurological anomalies in the brain. These anomalies bring about varying
degrees of difficulty in learning when using words, and sometimes symbols.
About 60% of dyslexic people have phonological difficulties--difficulties
sorting out the sounds within words. This isn't limited to problems with
reading, writing and spelling. The majority of dyslexic children have
difficulty with language, memory and sequencing processes of basic
mathematics.
But then you are the resident expert on learning disabilities, so you knew
all that, right?
Lynda
the $100,000 for comedy routines. But to answer the question, however
snidely (or would that be snarkily) put, for starters, dyslexia does not
mean "difficulty reading." That is a ps definition put out there by
non-medically trained personnel intent on getting more special ed money.
Under the dyslexia umbrella are:
Dyslexia - a language-based disability in which a person has trouble
understanding words, sentences or paragraphs; both oral and written language
are affected.
Dyscalculia - a mathematical disability in which a person has unusual
difficulty solving arithmetic problems and grasping math concepts.
Dysgraphia - a neurological-based writing disability in which a person finds
it hard to form letters or write within a defined space.
Dyslexics are visual, multi-dimensional thinkers sometimes described as
"intuitive and highly creative, and excel at hands-on learning." They think
in pictures, so it is sometimes hard for them to understand letters,
numbers, symbols, and the spoken and written words.
Dyslexia is a congenital and developmental condition which creates
neurological anomalies in the brain. These anomalies bring about varying
degrees of difficulty in learning when using words, and sometimes symbols.
About 60% of dyslexic people have phonological difficulties--difficulties
sorting out the sounds within words. This isn't limited to problems with
reading, writing and spelling. The majority of dyslexic children have
difficulty with language, memory and sequencing processes of basic
mathematics.
But then you are the resident expert on learning disabilities, so you knew
all that, right?
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Real dyslexia
> Yessiree folks, we have once again been cornered by Head of Ranch
Security.
>
> Tell us Hank, exactly what is "real dyslexia"? How is "real dyslexia"
> diagnosed as opposed to fake dyslexia? Exactly what is the cause of "real
> dyslexia", not a theory that could just as easily be explained away by
> anxiety, but the "real" cause of "real dyslexia"?
>
> Julie
>
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Samantha Stopple
Even if a child is 'diagnosed' with real dyslexia does
that mean the child needs reading lessons or any kind
of specialized help? I have a friend who was
homeschooled very child lead until she was heading
into highschool I think. She had something similar to
dyslexia. I don't think her parents ever knew that
when she was young. She learned to read late. She said
it was always a struggle to keep the words still on
the page. She learned to read by word recognition not
by the shapes of the letters. She is still challenged
by spelling. Yet she learned how to read with out any
intervention. That is what I as unschooler wants to
know. Later she did get identified with a rare form of
something I don't really know of it fell in the
Dyslexic label or not. She wears a special form of
glasses that helps calm the words on the page down or
calms her eyes down and helps the messages reach her
brain more clearly. Later in her life it was helpful
to know she had a physical problem with reading so she
could get help. Just like we would go get glasses for
a kid who was near sighted or far sighted.
I wouldn't go get glasses for a kid early to prevent
the child from getting poor eye sight that might
actually be the wrong thing to do. It might more
likely ensure a childs eyesight becomes weeker. So we
might want to know if Dyslexia runs in the family to
know if our kids has it just in case there is
something we could do to make it easier. Like the
glasses my friend wears. My friend did learn to read
without them.
If one of my kids had dyslexia I don't think I would
ever sit down and do the lesson ideas or a program
with them in a real formal way like it happens in
schools. I would probably read up more about it and
find a way to help without her knowing it. I would
also allow room for a late reader. If a kid has
dyslexia this a problem that never goes away. They
will likely always struggle with reading. Or it might
take a person who has dyslexia longer to read. It
seems to me over focusing on the problem would make
reading more of a chore more of an issue. A kid who
was unschooled would hopefully never get the stigma of
the dyslexic label. They would be allowed to follow
their passions that don't require lots of reading.
They would naturally figure out methods to learn
things they want to learn without reading. When they
finally wanted to learn to read or learn to read
better they would. Reading would be a tool for them.
So they would learn better how to use the reading
tool.
Samantha
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that mean the child needs reading lessons or any kind
of specialized help? I have a friend who was
homeschooled very child lead until she was heading
into highschool I think. She had something similar to
dyslexia. I don't think her parents ever knew that
when she was young. She learned to read late. She said
it was always a struggle to keep the words still on
the page. She learned to read by word recognition not
by the shapes of the letters. She is still challenged
by spelling. Yet she learned how to read with out any
intervention. That is what I as unschooler wants to
know. Later she did get identified with a rare form of
something I don't really know of it fell in the
Dyslexic label or not. She wears a special form of
glasses that helps calm the words on the page down or
calms her eyes down and helps the messages reach her
brain more clearly. Later in her life it was helpful
to know she had a physical problem with reading so she
could get help. Just like we would go get glasses for
a kid who was near sighted or far sighted.
I wouldn't go get glasses for a kid early to prevent
the child from getting poor eye sight that might
actually be the wrong thing to do. It might more
likely ensure a childs eyesight becomes weeker. So we
might want to know if Dyslexia runs in the family to
know if our kids has it just in case there is
something we could do to make it easier. Like the
glasses my friend wears. My friend did learn to read
without them.
If one of my kids had dyslexia I don't think I would
ever sit down and do the lesson ideas or a program
with them in a real formal way like it happens in
schools. I would probably read up more about it and
find a way to help without her knowing it. I would
also allow room for a late reader. If a kid has
dyslexia this a problem that never goes away. They
will likely always struggle with reading. Or it might
take a person who has dyslexia longer to read. It
seems to me over focusing on the problem would make
reading more of a chore more of an issue. A kid who
was unschooled would hopefully never get the stigma of
the dyslexic label. They would be allowed to follow
their passions that don't require lots of reading.
They would naturally figure out methods to learn
things they want to learn without reading. When they
finally wanted to learn to read or learn to read
better they would. Reading would be a tool for them.
So they would learn better how to use the reading
tool.
Samantha
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Elsa Haas
Could you ask your friend exactly what the label was, and what that special
kind of glasses is called? Im very interested in this.
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: Samantha Stopple [mailto:sammimag@...]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Real dyslexia
Later she did get identified with a rare form of
something I don't really know of it fell in the
Dyslexic label or not. She wears a special form of
glasses that helps calm the words on the page down or
calms her eyes down and helps the messages reach her
brain more clearly.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
kind of glasses is called? Im very interested in this.
Elsa Haas
-----Original Message-----
From: Samantha Stopple [mailto:sammimag@...]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 12:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Real dyslexia
Later she did get identified with a rare form of
something I don't really know of it fell in the
Dyslexic label or not. She wears a special form of
glasses that helps calm the words on the page down or
calms her eyes down and helps the messages reach her
brain more clearly.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tia Leschke
At 08:50 PM 30/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
case. Some people are using them also for autism, and I have a friend who
discovered quite by accident that pink sunglasses vastly improved her
peripheral vision for driving.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Levy
>Could you ask your friend exactly what the label was, and what that specialMight be Irlen's Syndrome. The glasses would have coloured lenses in that
>kind of glasses is called? I'm very interested in this.
case. Some people are using them also for autism, and I have a friend who
discovered quite by accident that pink sunglasses vastly improved her
peripheral vision for driving.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Levy
Sharon Rudd
I have found that polarized sunglasses help my vision
more than my clear glasses. Unfortunately they are
too dark for night, overcast skies, or indoor use.
Wish I had some for those times. I have MS with some
visual disturbances that come (sometimes extreme) and
go(thank God)and ordinary ol' astigmatism. Didn't use
use corrective lenses (except during periods of
extreme fatigue) until I was in my forties. Now I have
trifocals! Ha!
Anyway
Do the "autism" lenses work by filtering out some of
the spectrum so that there isn't so much to process?
Would that help (maybe a little?) with hyperactivity
attention deficit syndrome, too?
I'm not familiar with Irlen's Syndrome. How do the
colored lenses help? Is IS a cones and rods problem? I
did know someone once who used colored lenses who's
rods were defective. She mostly saw in black and
white with gray shadings, according to her
descriptions to me. She was also hypersensitive to all
light, Hence the filtering lenses.
Sharon
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more than my clear glasses. Unfortunately they are
too dark for night, overcast skies, or indoor use.
Wish I had some for those times. I have MS with some
visual disturbances that come (sometimes extreme) and
go(thank God)and ordinary ol' astigmatism. Didn't use
use corrective lenses (except during periods of
extreme fatigue) until I was in my forties. Now I have
trifocals! Ha!
Anyway
Do the "autism" lenses work by filtering out some of
the spectrum so that there isn't so much to process?
Would that help (maybe a little?) with hyperactivity
attention deficit syndrome, too?
I'm not familiar with Irlen's Syndrome. How do the
colored lenses help? Is IS a cones and rods problem? I
did know someone once who used colored lenses who's
rods were defective. She mostly saw in black and
white with gray shadings, according to her
descriptions to me. She was also hypersensitive to all
light, Hence the filtering lenses.
Sharon
--- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
> At 08:50 PM 30/11/01 -0500, you wrote:********************************************************************************************
> >Could you ask your friend exactly what the label
> was, and what that special
> >kind of glasses is called? I'm very interested in
> this.
>
> Might be Irlen's Syndrome. The glasses would have
> coloured lenses in that
> case. Some people are using them also for autism,
> and I have a friend who
> discovered quite by accident that pink sunglasses
> vastly improved her
> peripheral vision for driving.
> Tia
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
>
> It is the answers which separate us, the questions__________________________________________________
> which unite us. - Janice
> Levy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tia Leschke
>It's kind of hard for me to explain it all. Here's a link to the Irlen
>
>Anyway
>
>Do the "autism" lenses work by filtering out some of
>the spectrum so that there isn't so much to process?
>
>Would that help (maybe a little?) with hyperactivity
>attention deficit syndrome, too?
>
>I'm not familiar with Irlen's Syndrome. How do the
>colored lenses help? Is IS a cones and rods problem? I
>did know someone once who used colored lenses who's
>rods were defective. She mostly saw in black and
>white with gray shadings, according to her
>descriptions to me. She was also hypersensitive to all
>light, Hence the filtering lenses.
institute. http://www.irlen.com/
It's all there.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy
Lynda
Do you have photogray on your indoor glasses? Even though they lighten up
and "look" clear, they still have enough tint to cut down on glare which
might help in the house.
Lynda
and "look" clear, they still have enough tint to cut down on glare which
might help in the house.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] "spexcial" glasses wasReal dyslexia
> I have found that polarized sunglasses help my vision
> more than my clear glasses. Unfortunately they are
> too dark for night, overcast skies, or indoor use.
> Wish I had some for those times. I have MS with some
> visual disturbances that come (sometimes extreme) and
> go(thank God)and ordinary ol' astigmatism. Didn't use
> use corrective lenses (except during periods of
> extreme fatigue) until I was in my forties. Now I have
> trifocals! Ha!
>
> Anyway
>
> Do the "autism" lenses work by filtering out some of
> the spectrum so that there isn't so much to process?
>
> Would that help (maybe a little?) with hyperactivity
> attention deficit syndrome, too?
>
> I'm not familiar with Irlen's Syndrome. How do the
> colored lenses help? Is IS a cones and rods problem? I
> did know someone once who used colored lenses who's
> rods were defective. She mostly saw in black and
> white with gray shadings, according to her
> descriptions to me. She was also hypersensitive to all
> light, Hence the filtering lenses.
>
> Sharon
>
> --- Tia Leschke <leschke@...> wrote:
> > At 08:50 PM 30/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Could you ask your friend exactly what the label
> > was, and what that special
> > >kind of glasses is called? I'm very interested in
> > this.
> >
> > Might be Irlen's Syndrome. The glasses would have
> > coloured lenses in that
> > case. Some people are using them also for autism,
> > and I have a friend who
> > discovered quite by accident that pink sunglasses
> > vastly improved her
> > peripheral vision for driving.
> > Tia
> >
> > Tia Leschke leschke@...
> > On Vancouver Island
> >
>
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****************
> > It is the answers which separate us, the questions
> > which unite us. - Janice
> > Levy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Bridget
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becomingmore nad more sensitive to light. I don't drive at night
anymore if I don't absolutely have to because oncoming headlights
really do blind me.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- Síocháin ar domhan,
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At 18, our convictions are hills from which we look; at 45, they are
caves in which we hide.
-- F. Scott Fitzgerald
> Do you have photogray on your indoor glasses? Even though theylighten up
> and "look" clear, they still have enough tint to cut down on glarewhich
> might help in the house.I could not function without my photograys!!! My eyes are
>
> Lynda
becomingmore nad more sensitive to light. I don't drive at night
anymore if I don't absolutely have to because oncoming headlights
really do blind me.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- Síocháin ar domhan,
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At 18, our convictions are hills from which we look; at 45, they are
caves in which we hide.
-- F. Scott Fitzgerald
Tia Leschke
>I'm not that bad yet, but getting there. And it's scary for me, since my
>I could not function without my photograys!!! My eyes are
>becomingmore nad more sensitive to light. I don't drive at night
>anymore if I don't absolutely have to because oncoming headlights
>really do blind me.
mother didn't have to stop driving at night until she was in her
70's. There are still too many things I like to do in town at night (an
hour away on a winding road with lousy bus service) to give it up yet.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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