Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: encouraging writing & rock stars
Karin Curtin
Sarah,
I think that's cool about your daughter wanting to be a rock star.
And you accepting it. (right?)
How does she see herself getting there?
How do you think you can help her achieve her goal?
That is so out of the ordinary. You are right, so different than your average *doctor* route.
How does one even decide what point A to point B is?
I think a great deal of luck is involved, along with talent and drive and not giving up.
My boys (8 & 10) also like rock and classic rock.
They are talking about learning guitar and drums.
When I was in my teens, I started liking rock, much to my parent's dismay.
They like classical and other music I don't.
I was always aware of the *kind* of people who usually liked rock.
Troublemakers, stoners, losers, the bad crowd (at least in my school).
But although I really enjoyed that music (and still do), early on I made a
conscious choice not to get messed up with drugs or anything to bring me down.
It's not always - drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. It wasn't for me.
I just appreciated the music.
I know you didn't need to know that - just sharing.
Karin
I think that's cool about your daughter wanting to be a rock star.
And you accepting it. (right?)
How does she see herself getting there?
How do you think you can help her achieve her goal?
That is so out of the ordinary. You are right, so different than your average *doctor* route.
How does one even decide what point A to point B is?
I think a great deal of luck is involved, along with talent and drive and not giving up.
My boys (8 & 10) also like rock and classic rock.
They are talking about learning guitar and drums.
When I was in my teens, I started liking rock, much to my parent's dismay.
They like classical and other music I don't.
I was always aware of the *kind* of people who usually liked rock.
Troublemakers, stoners, losers, the bad crowd (at least in my school).
But although I really enjoyed that music (and still do), early on I made a
conscious choice not to get messed up with drugs or anything to bring me down.
It's not always - drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. It wasn't for me.
I just appreciated the music.
I know you didn't need to know that - just sharing.
Karin
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Carothers
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: encouraging writing
Youngest wants to be a rock star (seriously!). She talks of nothing else and hasn't for years.
I believe I understand what's expected especially of the doctor one, moreso than the rockstar one.
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Sarah Carothers
Oh yes! I accept the rock star goal... it's just a lot harder to help her find her way since it's not something that follows a typical path! How does she see herself getting there? *She* thinks that she'll be discovered if she starts out singing back up for somebody famous.
Karin wrote:<<How does one even decide what point A to point B is?
I think a great deal of luck is involved, along with talent and drive and not giving up.
I don't care what either child chooses to do as long as they are happy and healthy.
Karin wrote:<But although I really enjoyed that music (and still do), early on I made a
conscious choice not to get messed up with drugs or anything to bring me down.
It's not always - drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. It wasn't for me.
I just appreciated the music.
Karin wrote:
<My boys (8 & 10) also like rock and classic rock.
They are talking about learning guitar and drums.>
I think everybody needs a creative outlet and music is great! And now, with the new drums that are ... geesh.. I don't know.. electronic?.. they're small and I saw them in ToysRUS.. they're on a stand and are compact yet sound like real drums. Anyway, they don't take up much room now and with any luck at all, they'll have a volume control on them!!!!
Sarah
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Karin wrote:<<How does one even decide what point A to point B is?
I think a great deal of luck is involved, along with talent and drive and not giving up.
>>I have no clue how to help her with this endeavor. IMO it *is* all those things you mentioned and there's little I can offer in the way of help. She enjoys watching the bios of rock singers on television and yet she's not made the realization that most of them are not shy (she is) & not afraid of singing in front of a crowd (she would be). She's still young and I keep thinking that she might change her mind but meanwhile, I offer encouragement to be what*ever* she wants to be. Whatever she chooses, I 'm betting it will be in a creative vein and will involve her voice (she talks constantly) in some way. Whatever I do, I don't want to tell her she can't do something... I was raised that way and I believe it's wrong to do that to a child.
I don't care what either child chooses to do as long as they are happy and healthy.
Karin wrote:<But although I really enjoyed that music (and still do), early on I made a
conscious choice not to get messed up with drugs or anything to bring me down.
It's not always - drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. It wasn't for me.
I just appreciated the music.
>She does, too. I don't give a moment's thought to this kid drinking or drugging... she is even totally opposed to my going out with girlfriends for a single glass of wine :(. <sigh> I think I must've gone overboard on that 'don't drink and drive' thing and 'don't ride in cars when someone's been drinking'. %-/
Karin wrote:
<My boys (8 & 10) also like rock and classic rock.
They are talking about learning guitar and drums.>
I think everybody needs a creative outlet and music is great! And now, with the new drums that are ... geesh.. I don't know.. electronic?.. they're small and I saw them in ToysRUS.. they're on a stand and are compact yet sound like real drums. Anyway, they don't take up much room now and with any luck at all, they'll have a volume control on them!!!!
Sarah
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Lynda
OMG, and I thought I was OAD. Electronic drums are ancient, my dear <g>
Why Sheila E was playing them as part of Prince's band back before he became
a symbol.
As to rock stars or bands or whatever. What about a karyoki (how do you
spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano. Bios will show that most
singers grew up singing or playing a musical instrument.
There are also "cattle calls" for movies that have kids singing or for
commercials.
Lots of the rock/pop folks, particular the kid groups will do back stage
passes for a limited number of local kids. Talk to local booking agents.
there are computer programs for writing music, also. A good percentage of
singers are also song writers or started out writing music and then got
discovered from their demos when they used to sell the songs. Did you know
that to sell songs they do their own demos and then try to get big names to
sing them?
And, she is right, lots of "stars" started out as backup and the folks they
backed saw them as a tallent and helped them get a contract.
Lynda, passing on advise from hubby who is a musician.
Why Sheila E was playing them as part of Prince's band back before he became
a symbol.
As to rock stars or bands or whatever. What about a karyoki (how do you
spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano. Bios will show that most
singers grew up singing or playing a musical instrument.
There are also "cattle calls" for movies that have kids singing or for
commercials.
Lots of the rock/pop folks, particular the kid groups will do back stage
passes for a limited number of local kids. Talk to local booking agents.
there are computer programs for writing music, also. A good percentage of
singers are also song writers or started out writing music and then got
discovered from their demos when they used to sell the songs. Did you know
that to sell songs they do their own demos and then try to get big names to
sing them?
And, she is right, lots of "stars" started out as backup and the folks they
backed saw them as a tallent and helped them get a contract.
Lynda, passing on advise from hubby who is a musician.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Carothers <puddles@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: encouraging writing & rock stars
> Oh yes! I accept the rock star goal... it's just a lot harder to help her
find her way since it's not something that follows a typical path! How does
she see herself getting there? *She* thinks that she'll be discovered if she
starts out singing back up for somebody famous.
>
> Karin wrote:<<How does one even decide what point A to point B is?
> I think a great deal of luck is involved, along with talent and drive and
not giving up.
> >>
> I have no clue how to help her with this endeavor. IMO it *is* all those
things you mentioned and there's little I can offer in the way of help. She
enjoys watching the bios of rock singers on television and yet she's not
made the realization that most of them are not shy (she is) & not afraid of
singing in front of a crowd (she would be). She's still young and I keep
thinking that she might change her mind but meanwhile, I offer encouragement
to be what*ever* she wants to be. Whatever she chooses, I 'm betting it
will be in a creative vein and will involve her voice (she talks constantly)
in some way. Whatever I do, I don't want to tell her she can't do
something... I was raised that way and I believe it's wrong to do that to a
child.
> I don't care what either child chooses to do as long as they are happy and
healthy.
>
> Karin wrote:<But although I really enjoyed that music (and still do),
early on I made a
> conscious choice not to get messed up with drugs or anything to bring me
down.
> It's not always - drugs and sex and rock'n'roll. It wasn't for me.
> I just appreciated the music.
> >
> She does, too. I don't give a moment's thought to this kid drinking or
drugging... she is even totally opposed to my going out with girlfriends for
a single glass of wine :(. <sigh> I think I must've gone overboard on that
'don't drink and drive' thing and 'don't ride in cars when someone's been
drinking'. %-/
>
> Karin wrote:
> <My boys (8 & 10) also like rock and classic rock.
> They are talking about learning guitar and drums.>
>
> I think everybody needs a creative outlet and music is great! And now,
with the new drums that are ... geesh.. I don't know.. electronic?.. they're
small and I saw them in ToysRUS.. they're on a stand and are compact yet
sound like real drums. Anyway, they don't take up much room now and with any
luck at all, they'll have a volume control on them!!!!
> Sarah
>
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Sarah Carothers
Thanks for that info, Lynda! lol... yes, I guess I'm outta touch with electronic drums and such %-/. (I was a classical piano major)
She's asked for a keroki machine for xmas... I guess I'll be heading to toysrus today :-)
Sarah
She's asked for a keroki machine for xmas... I guess I'll be heading to toysrus today :-)
Sarah
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: encouraging writing & rock stars
OMG, and I thought I was OAD. Electronic drums are ancient, my dear <g>
Why Sheila E was playing them as part of Prince's band back before he became
a symbol.
As to rock stars or bands or whatever. What about a karyoki (how do you
spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano. Bios will show that most
singers grew up singing or playing a musical instrument.
There are also "cattle calls" for movies that have kids singing or for
commercials.
Lots of the rock/pop folks, particular the kid groups will do back stage
passes for a limited number of local kids. Talk to local booking agents.
there are computer programs for writing music, also. A good percentage of
singers are also song writers or started out writing music and then got
discovered from their demos when they used to sell the songs. Did you know
that to sell songs they do their own demos and then try to get big names to
sing them?
And, she is right, lots of "stars" started out as backup and the folks they
backed saw them as a tallent and helped them get a contract.
Lynda, passing on advise from hubby who is a musician.
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Elsa Haas
Ive always seen it spelled karaoke. It comes from Japanese, though, so
maybe its written differently depending on the Romanization system used.
Elsa Haas
karyoki (how do you
spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano.
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maybe its written differently depending on the Romanization system used.
Elsa Haas
karyoki (how do you
spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano.
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Lynda
Spelling was always one of my absolutely worst subjects in school. I
remember teachers saying "look it up." The lack of logic in that statement
always amazed me. I mean, if I knew how to spell it to look it up, I
wouldn't need to look it up!
Lynda
remember teachers saying "look it up." The lack of logic in that statement
always amazed me. I mean, if I knew how to spell it to look it up, I
wouldn't need to look it up!
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Elsa Haas <ElsaHaas@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: encouraging writing & rock stars
> I've always seen it spelled "karaoke". It comes from Japanese, though, so
> maybe it's written differently depending on the Romanization system used.
>
> Elsa Haas
>
> karyoki (how do you
> spell that word?) machine or a guitar or a piano.
>
>
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Funny you should mention that! Wyndham was talking about a word the
other day and he said, "Well, it's either an s-word or a c-word." So . .
. makes it kinda hard to look up!
In trying to help Vaidas with his English, I am reminded of all the
little idiosyncrasies in our language.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- S�och�in ar domhan,
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Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no
one to blame.
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:38:59 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
other day and he said, "Well, it's either an s-word or a c-word." So . .
. makes it kinda hard to look up!
In trying to help Vaidas with his English, I am reminded of all the
little idiosyncrasies in our language.
Bridget
Nollaig Shona -- S�och�in ar domhan,
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------------------------------------
Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no
one to blame.
- Erica Jong
On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:38:59 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> Spelling was always one of my absolutely worst subjects in school. I
> remember teachers saying "look it up." The lack of logic in that
> statement
> always amazed me. I mean, if I knew how to spell it to look it up,
> I
> wouldn't need to look it up!
>
> Lynda