Candy and other stuff we want
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Sandra Dodd wrote:
never had that behavior about any food. Holly and I got boxes of candy one
day. Mine was gone in three days; hers was mostly there in three weeks.<<
Ah, and this is where you are a better mother ....I am not convinced I
wouldn't have moved onto the kid's candy. ;)
or I go to the store we ask each other and kids if there's anything they
need. Kirby usually requests shampoo or toiletries. Holly asks for
vegetables and fruit. Marty often says nothing, or pizza, or avocados or
chips. Mostly they say nothing, but there's usually food. If Holly runs out
of Ramen she wants more.<<
If we're out and about, before we head out of a store or for home, I'll ask
Julian if there's anything he needs or wants. Most of the time the answer is
no. If it's yes, he really wants it, and most of the time it's no problem--I
just get it. If I don't have the money, or there's some other reason, I just
tell him, and again...no problem. He never whines or begs, and he doesn't
feel he HAS to get something every time we're out, just because.
On the other hand, we spend lots of time with other kids who seem to.
Sometimes the parents seem to say no just because the kid wants it. It's a
rough situation...you're less inclined to *want* to get something for a
nagging kid, and maybe the kid is more inclined to want stuff if it's rare.
I have no answers. Maybe Juls is like this because stuff isn't scarce...maybe
he's just a mellow, kind kid. Because he'd also have eaten the candy quickly
(though he would share, willingly.) He's a MAJOR sugar fiend, even though
it's also not scarce. He just REALLY likes it. And he doesn't brush his teeth
spontaneously, at the age of twelve, so we remind him. On the other hand, he
takes great care of the cats, his parents, etc...Priorities, I guess....
This is rambling, but thinking of "nudges" given...Julian shared that he
likes when he has written (not necessarily the process of writing itself), so
I periodically remind him of that, then he does what he wants...writes or
not. Lately he's been writing. I'm psyched.
Kathryn
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>>I have. I can finish a pack of orange Milanos all by myself. A box ofchocolate covered cherries, just me, just a few hours. But my kids have
never had that behavior about any food. Holly and I got boxes of candy one
day. Mine was gone in three days; hers was mostly there in three weeks.<<
Ah, and this is where you are a better mother ....I am not convinced I
wouldn't have moved onto the kid's candy. ;)
>>We take requests. They can go shopping if they want. Every time myhusband
or I go to the store we ask each other and kids if there's anything they
need. Kirby usually requests shampoo or toiletries. Holly asks for
vegetables and fruit. Marty often says nothing, or pizza, or avocados or
chips. Mostly they say nothing, but there's usually food. If Holly runs out
of Ramen she wants more.<<
If we're out and about, before we head out of a store or for home, I'll ask
Julian if there's anything he needs or wants. Most of the time the answer is
no. If it's yes, he really wants it, and most of the time it's no problem--I
just get it. If I don't have the money, or there's some other reason, I just
tell him, and again...no problem. He never whines or begs, and he doesn't
feel he HAS to get something every time we're out, just because.
On the other hand, we spend lots of time with other kids who seem to.
Sometimes the parents seem to say no just because the kid wants it. It's a
rough situation...you're less inclined to *want* to get something for a
nagging kid, and maybe the kid is more inclined to want stuff if it's rare.
I have no answers. Maybe Juls is like this because stuff isn't scarce...maybe
he's just a mellow, kind kid. Because he'd also have eaten the candy quickly
(though he would share, willingly.) He's a MAJOR sugar fiend, even though
it's also not scarce. He just REALLY likes it. And he doesn't brush his teeth
spontaneously, at the age of twelve, so we remind him. On the other hand, he
takes great care of the cats, his parents, etc...Priorities, I guess....
This is rambling, but thinking of "nudges" given...Julian shared that he
likes when he has written (not necessarily the process of writing itself), so
I periodically remind him of that, then he does what he wants...writes or
not. Lately he's been writing. I'm psyched.
Kathryn
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<< Ah, and this is where you are a better mother ....I am not convinced I
wouldn't have moved onto the kid's candy. ;) >>
She had already generously given me the three tiny packs of Junior Mints. I
was done.
Sandra
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wouldn't have moved onto the kid's candy. ;) >>
She had already generously given me the three tiny packs of Junior Mints. I
was done.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
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http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Kathy
Milanos, candy, cheesecake, chocolate chunk brownies. How's that for an
attention grabber?
To Sandra and others who mentioned that they can polish off a bag of
milanos or candy, I have a real question for you. I know everyone's
different, and that their reasons for being attracted to certain foods
may be different, but the idea of some foods being "just foods" and
others being "eat all up right away/in a few days" is driving me nuts.
Do you buy those things all the time, or do you limit when you buy
them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
(candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within a
couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods.
Do you buy them once in a while, or hardly ever, or do you even think
about them in the store?
I sound obsessed with food, and right now I am. I am trying so hard to
figure out healthy things to eat to get my life back. I have been free
of most junk for a few days now, and feel alot better, but I still
would eat junk before I would eat the healthy stuff if it was in the
house. These foods are not the total cause of obesity, but they are a
big part of eating beyond normal satisfaction for me and many others.
Eating even when you're not hungry. Somehow they bypass the normal
appetite regulation system, and you eat more than your body needs.
I don't think my food was a problem when I was growing up. We didn't
restrict foods that I can remember. I had no desire to rebel growing up
because I really liked my parents. I felt like they were fair and
always treated me like a person. We had junk around the house sometimes
and it never lasted long. My dad could let a candy bar get dusty, but
mom and I finished ours on the way home from the store.
I want to balance out my brain chemistry so I can let the candy bar get
dusty.
Kathy B.
ps-I read part of an interesting book about the similarities between
addictions (there's that word again) to food, alcohol, and drugs, and
the links to certain levels of seratonin (the feel good chemical) in
the brain. It has a goofy title, but very interesting research and
thoughts inside of it. I never dieted, and I hate the idea for many
reasons, but this book is not about any wacky diet. This link to amazon
for the book is not to sell it. It is because it is the handiest way
for me to convey the most info about the book in one link.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140286527/qid=1006255135/sr=8-
2/ref=sr_8_7_2/103-1945494-7959865
Let me know what you think.
attention grabber?
To Sandra and others who mentioned that they can polish off a bag of
milanos or candy, I have a real question for you. I know everyone's
different, and that their reasons for being attracted to certain foods
may be different, but the idea of some foods being "just foods" and
others being "eat all up right away/in a few days" is driving me nuts.
Do you buy those things all the time, or do you limit when you buy
them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
(candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within a
couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods.
Do you buy them once in a while, or hardly ever, or do you even think
about them in the store?
I sound obsessed with food, and right now I am. I am trying so hard to
figure out healthy things to eat to get my life back. I have been free
of most junk for a few days now, and feel alot better, but I still
would eat junk before I would eat the healthy stuff if it was in the
house. These foods are not the total cause of obesity, but they are a
big part of eating beyond normal satisfaction for me and many others.
Eating even when you're not hungry. Somehow they bypass the normal
appetite regulation system, and you eat more than your body needs.
I don't think my food was a problem when I was growing up. We didn't
restrict foods that I can remember. I had no desire to rebel growing up
because I really liked my parents. I felt like they were fair and
always treated me like a person. We had junk around the house sometimes
and it never lasted long. My dad could let a candy bar get dusty, but
mom and I finished ours on the way home from the store.
I want to balance out my brain chemistry so I can let the candy bar get
dusty.
Kathy B.
ps-I read part of an interesting book about the similarities between
addictions (there's that word again) to food, alcohol, and drugs, and
the links to certain levels of seratonin (the feel good chemical) in
the brain. It has a goofy title, but very interesting research and
thoughts inside of it. I never dieted, and I hate the idea for many
reasons, but this book is not about any wacky diet. This link to amazon
for the book is not to sell it. It is because it is the handiest way
for me to convey the most info about the book in one link.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140286527/qid=1006255135/sr=8-
2/ref=sr_8_7_2/103-1945494-7959865
Let me know what you think.
[email protected]
<< Do you buy those things all the time, or do you limit when you buy
them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
(candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within a
couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods. >>
I don't keep stuff I bought just for me all the time. It's rare, maybe once
a month or less. Stuff the kids request (Kirby likes Red Vines) probably
doesn't get bought even that often, but it's partly because he can make a
pack of Red Vines last a long, long time. (Holly told me that Kirby still
has some of his Halloween candy from three years ago.)
My kids don't crave sweets. The sweets have never been held out to them as a
metaphorical carrot, nor have they been marked evil and dangerous. For the
kids, it's just food. For me, there's the internal dialog based on my own
history.
When my husband and I was first living together 20+ years or so ago (it took
a few years for us to be living together full time, so between 20 and 24
years when we were transitional), he would finish all the food in the house.
His diet had been so measured and controlled and consisted of beef tongue and
liver and other "good for you" things his mom inflicted on people that when
he had freedom he would binge bigtime. It took him years to get to the point
that he could leave food, trusting it would still be there the next day. So
I used to get really frustrated if I'd bring in something I wanted to have
some of in a few days; it didn't happen for me. But he gradually got over
almost all of his food weirdness. His latest hurdle was not freaking if the
last portion of something got moldy or leftovers dried up in the fridge. He
used to agonize over the end parts of a head of lettuce, if we hadn't
finished it all before it went bad.
My kids' attitude toward food is vastly different.
Sandra
them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
(candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within a
couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods. >>
I don't keep stuff I bought just for me all the time. It's rare, maybe once
a month or less. Stuff the kids request (Kirby likes Red Vines) probably
doesn't get bought even that often, but it's partly because he can make a
pack of Red Vines last a long, long time. (Holly told me that Kirby still
has some of his Halloween candy from three years ago.)
My kids don't crave sweets. The sweets have never been held out to them as a
metaphorical carrot, nor have they been marked evil and dangerous. For the
kids, it's just food. For me, there's the internal dialog based on my own
history.
When my husband and I was first living together 20+ years or so ago (it took
a few years for us to be living together full time, so between 20 and 24
years when we were transitional), he would finish all the food in the house.
His diet had been so measured and controlled and consisted of beef tongue and
liver and other "good for you" things his mom inflicted on people that when
he had freedom he would binge bigtime. It took him years to get to the point
that he could leave food, trusting it would still be there the next day. So
I used to get really frustrated if I'd bring in something I wanted to have
some of in a few days; it didn't happen for me. But he gradually got over
almost all of his food weirdness. His latest hurdle was not freaking if the
last portion of something got moldy or leftovers dried up in the fridge. He
used to agonize over the end parts of a head of lettuce, if we hadn't
finished it all before it went bad.
My kids' attitude toward food is vastly different.
Sandra
Bridget
With all the talk of control issues about food, here's a bit of irony
for you;
While I watch and monitor everything my son eats, we have a housefull
of junk food. I bought a bunch of stuff to take camping because it's
easier to pack poptarts and such. We brought most of it back home.
That was seven weeks ago. I ate a poptart last night. We still have
more than half of them. We also have four bags of CreamSavers, with
one or two of each flavor missing. A large tub of dye free lollies
with about a fourth missing and bunches of other kinds of candy in
various amounts. We also have several boxes of little debbie snacks
that refill the snack basket when needed, which are the fastest mover
because the exchange student snacks on them.
We used to all be big bingers. We aren't so much anymore. I think
it is because we worked it out of our systems.
On another slightly related note, if I ate the way my 16 yo does,
even when I WAS 16, I would weight 300 pounds. She doesn't. She
lost weight recently and while the weight was going away she was
polishing off gallons of ice cream and pints of sour cream. Diet is
an extremely comlicated and personal thing. I truly believe we have
to each listen to our bodies and find what works. The problem an
allergic person faces is learning to distinguish between our body
talking and our allergy talking.
Bridget
for you;
While I watch and monitor everything my son eats, we have a housefull
of junk food. I bought a bunch of stuff to take camping because it's
easier to pack poptarts and such. We brought most of it back home.
That was seven weeks ago. I ate a poptart last night. We still have
more than half of them. We also have four bags of CreamSavers, with
one or two of each flavor missing. A large tub of dye free lollies
with about a fourth missing and bunches of other kinds of candy in
various amounts. We also have several boxes of little debbie snacks
that refill the snack basket when needed, which are the fastest mover
because the exchange student snacks on them.
We used to all be big bingers. We aren't so much anymore. I think
it is because we worked it out of our systems.
On another slightly related note, if I ate the way my 16 yo does,
even when I WAS 16, I would weight 300 pounds. She doesn't. She
lost weight recently and while the weight was going away she was
polishing off gallons of ice cream and pints of sour cream. Diet is
an extremely comlicated and personal thing. I truly believe we have
to each listen to our bodies and find what works. The problem an
allergic person faces is learning to distinguish between our body
talking and our allergy talking.
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Kathy" <laurawilder82@y...> wrote:
> Milanos, candy, cheesecake, chocolate chunk brownies. How's that
for an
> attention grabber?
>
> To Sandra and others who mentioned that they can polish off a bag
of
> milanos or candy, I have a real question for you. I know everyone's
> different, and that their reasons for being attracted to certain
foods
> may be different, but the idea of some foods being "just foods" and
> others being "eat all up right away/in a few days" is driving me
nuts.
>
> Do you buy those things all the time, or do you limit when you buy
> them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
> (candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within
a
> couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods.
>
> Do you buy them once in a while, or hardly ever, or do you even
think
> about them in the store?
>
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In a message dated 11/20/01 9:02:07 AM, rumpleteasermom@... writes:
<< I truly believe we have
to each listen to our bodies and find what works. >>
I agree.
Some kids don't get the chance until they're grown to learn to make choices
based on anything but "eat what we gave you and be happy." It's nice to
know of more families who have lightened up.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
<< I truly believe we have
to each listen to our bodies and find what works. >>
I agree.
Some kids don't get the chance until they're grown to learn to make choices
based on anything but "eat what we gave you and be happy." It's nice to
know of more families who have lightened up.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Elizabeth Hill
Kathy wrote:
eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone. Even if I
move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up after a
few minutes and retrieve it and have more. I think the cravings may be
driven by changes in blood sugar, but I don't know for certain.
My mom wasn't super-controlling, but she definitely believed some foods were
okay and others needed limiting. My grandmother was obese and had diabetes
later in life.
Betsy
>Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I start
> I sound obsessed with food, and right now I am. I am trying so hard to
> figure out healthy things to eat to get my life back. I have been free
> of most junk for a few days now, and feel alot better, but I still
> would eat junk before I would eat the healthy stuff if it was in the
> house. These foods are not the total cause of obesity, but they are a
> big part of eating beyond normal satisfaction for me and many others.
> Eating even when you're not hungry. Somehow they bypass the normal
> appetite regulation system, and you eat more than your body needs.
>
eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone. Even if I
move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up after a
few minutes and retrieve it and have more. I think the cravings may be
driven by changes in blood sugar, but I don't know for certain.
My mom wasn't super-controlling, but she definitely believed some foods were
okay and others needed limiting. My grandmother was obese and had diabetes
later in life.
Betsy
Tia Leschke
>Hah! I've even tried putting them in the freezer. They taste just fine
>Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I start
>eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone. Even if I
>move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up after a
>few minutes and retrieve it and have more.
frozen........sigh.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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2-3 weeks on the Atkins diet and the sugar cravings are gone.
Sheila
Sheila
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
>
> >
> >Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I
start
> >eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone.
Even if I
> >move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up
after a
> >few minutes and retrieve it and have more.
>
> Hah! I've even tried putting them in the freezer. They taste just
fine
> frozen........sigh.
> Tia
>
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@i...
> On Vancouver Island
>
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> Levy
Joseph Fuerst
I have this sugar/processed carb problem, too. Even keeping it out of the
house somewhat doesn't help.....I find myself mixing concoctions with
sugar/flour/sometimes oats & butter added.
It makes me feel out-of-control of myself.......wonder why I can't seem to
find balance in this area...even the 'natural consequences' don't turm me
away, so far.
Susan
house somewhat doesn't help.....I find myself mixing concoctions with
sugar/flour/sometimes oats & butter added.
It makes me feel out-of-control of myself.......wonder why I can't seem to
find balance in this area...even the 'natural consequences' don't turm me
away, so far.
Susan
> >Janice
> >Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I start
> >eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone. Even if I
> >move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up after a
> >few minutes and retrieve it and have more.
>
> Hah! I've even tried putting them in the freezer. They taste just fine
> frozen........sigh.
> Tia
>
>
> Tia Leschke leschke@...
> On Vancouver Island
> **************************************************************************
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> Levythe
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>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:36:15 EST
> From: KathrynJB@...
> Subject: OT: Accident
>
> We just got home from what was supposed to be a quick errand, but along
> way we had a car accident. It was nothing serious, and neither me nor myson
> was hurt. A car cut me off, and I braked and swerved to avoid an accident,the
> hitting high curb on the side. I blew both right tires, destroyed a steel
> wheel. The other car drove off.
>
> It sucks...money is tight right now anyway because we've recently bought a
> house, etc. --But we're okay. And someone once told me that a problem you
> can throw money at and make it go away is not a very interesting problem.
> But, if you have any to spare---I could use sympathy. :)
>
> Kathryn
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:37:48 EST
> From: lite2yu@...
> Subject: Re:More on pyschological
>
> I am reminded by this discussion of this story Deepak Chopra tells about a
> medical doctor who had not had a check up for 25 years. (Physician! Heal
> thyself!) When he was compelled to get a physical due to life insurance
> requirements, a large dark spot was found on his lung. It was diagnosed as
> inoperable cancer. The doc died a couple of months later. Some days after
> funeral, Chopra was sorting through the physician's effects and cameacross a
> chest x-ray that was 25 years old. Out of curiosity, he put it up to theeffect,
> light and, lo and behold, there was that same dark spot on the lung! The
> deceased doctor had lived a vigorous life all those years and was, in
> killed by the diagnosis and not the disease.hour
>
> lovemary
>
>
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>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:35:06 -0500
> From: "Paul Bogush" <shaggyhill@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: unschooling vs. unparenting
>
> > > How about bedtimes? Can I set the time she goes in?
> >
> > I never have. She goes to bed when she's tired, just like the rest of us
> > do. We're probably one of the few families in America who have never had
> > a fight over bedtime...
>
> We don't generally fight about it either. She gets to read or play in bed
> and she often falls asleep doing so. At our house though some of us don't
> go to bed when we are tired....we stay up on the computer or reading or
> watching TV <gasp, smile> and need someone to urge us into bed. If she's
> really into something and wants to, she can stay up a little longer and we
> just turn off the light at the same time...so it's like trading the in bed
> reading/playing time for whatever she was doing. Probably more parental
> involvement here on our part than some of you. (but, that's OK I tell the
> woman in the mirror, smile)
>
>
> >
> > >And
> > > chores, you say no to those too...so after dinner, when my child
> > > asks to beexcused <gasp! still unlearning, still deciding what of all
> > of this
> > > I'll take and what I'll leave, but yes I did say "asks to be excused"
> > gasp
> > > again!> and I say "sure, please take your dishes in to the kitchen"
> > > , it's a 'bad' thing?
> >
> > Neither of us ask to be excused, we might say "excuse me". OTOH, I have
> > asked her to bring her dishes into the kitchen, or to make a "dish run"
> > and round up any other dishes left in the living room, or carry a basket
> > full of laundry to the bedroom since she's going there... and she rarely
> > says no and if so, there's a good reason. I think the key is ask,
> > though... she certainly could say no, but she doesn't... we're just used
> > to working together and helping each other.
>
> Yep, it's a request, and she does once in a while say, 'no thank you', but
> she usually does bring them in. The asking to leave the table thing...oh,
> that's just so bred into us! Hmmmm....I'll think on letting that go...
> It's only instituted during dinner...other meals/snacks she can generally
> come and go as she pleases....hmmmm....
>
> >
> >
> > > I had a miscarriage in 99, my DD was 1 1/2. In the aftermath of that
> > event
> > > she watched LOTS more tv (videos, we don't have cable) than ever
> > > before...she'd watch a couple of hours a day, as opposed to a half
> > > every couple of days. I noticed a HUGE decline in her ability tooff
> > engage in
> > > activities herself. She had never before been 'bored' and now she'd
> > walk
> > > around the house, see nothing that interested her and ask to watch
> > > tv.
> >
> > Do you think that that might have had more to do with your being in a
> > state of grief and perhaps less available than formerly? Ah, wait, I see
> > that you dismiss this idea farther down - but why? It makes a lot of
> > sense to me. It could also be part of the process of learning to
> > self-regulate, like when kids who have never been allowed to eat more
> > than one piece of candy are suddenly able to eat all they want, they
> > often stuff themselves silly, since that's what everyone has expected
> > that they will do all of their lives if they were given that freedom.
> > Freedom often takes some getting used to.
>
> Yes. Could be it. Maybe if it had continued she would have turned them
> herself. I'm not sure why I blame the TV solely...as I said to Sandra...Ibed
> might not be willing to admit that grief got in the way....that I wasn't
> 'there' for her... But, it was a very interesting time...
>
> >
> > It also sounds like pretty typical 1 1/2 yr old developmental stuff,
> > especially is you were starting to expect her to do chores at that age.
> > :-/
>
> Oh! I think you have the wrong picture here....chores is a very broad
> word.... I wasn't asking her to chop wood (we heat with it) or make her
> so I could bounce a quarter off it! It was (what I consider)a
> developmentally appropriate stuff...like, here Em, help mommy put away all
> your sand toys back in the sand box before we go back inside.... She'd
> throw herself on the ground and scream during the TV binge time and hadn't
> done that prior to it. Yes, yes, yes...there could have been other
> influences, coincidentally occuring at the same time.... But, don't think
> she had a chore list and I was freaking out because she wasn't doing them
> while saying "Yes, m'am".
>
> >
> > > And you never ask your kids to pick up
> > > their mess or are you talking only about their rooms? If DD cuts up
> > piecepeople
> > > of paper into hundreds of tiny pieces of paper on the dining room
> > floor and
> > > walks away....can't I later ask her to pick them up?
> >
> > Sure you can ask, as long as it's asking and not commanding. Often
> > say ask when they mean command. Asking implies that the answer could beshe
> > no...
>
> Ask means ask for me. Commands are only used in emergency safety
> issues...like "STOP!" when she runs at top speed along the top of the
> playground equipment toward the unprotected edge over which she'd drop to
> certain injury....used very rarely and mostly during that scarey time when
> she could walk and run all over but had no sense of what would happen if
> plummeted.... We generally think it's better to fall out of tree andbreak
> an arm than to never climb a tree...but we do have some limits to this.carbs.
> Anyway, yes, generally she's asked...sometimes, if I need the house picked
> up (so I can impress people with how clean it is, as if no one actually
> lives here) then it's less negotiable....but I always help her if it's
> possible and she wants help.
>
> >
> > > We have always talked
> > > about healthy v. non healthy foods. It's OK to eat non healthy foods,
> > but
> > > not all the time...it's the healthy foods that help us grow and stay
> > > fit. It was wrong to say this? It's the truth (as I see it...you may
> > > disagree)
> >
> > I think it's a kind of simplistic truth.
>
> Yes, but it worked really well when she was 1 1/2. We do talk more now
> about energy levels, but we haven't reached the point of researching
> She's only 3 1/2 and it's really not a big issue for her. She gets thejunk
> at her granparents' or friends' houses and occasionally at ours or at adeal.
> restaurant. She doesn't have to beg for stuff so it's just not a big
> She knows grandma susie has the sweet cereal and at home she always asksfor
> a bagel (multigrain/organic....but she doesn't know that, she just knowsshe
> likes them).naturally
>
> I have also noticed that she tends to get emotionally
> > overwrought more easily if she hasn't had food in a while, especially
> > protein... my brother was like this as a kid, so I'm a little familiar
> > with it, although I can go a day without eating and not feel any ill
> > effects.So, I've spent years now trying to point out the connection and
> > she's pretty good now about grabbing some food when she's feeling that
> > way... of course, it's not a sure thing, sometimes she doesn't eat for
> > hours and is fine, but if she does feel sad for no reason it's often a
> > clue..
>
> Yes! THis happens to both my DD and I. Hubby can go for hours and hours
> without eating and be fine!
>
> THanks for your input,
> Aimee
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:50:52 -0000
> From: sheran@...
> Subject: Re: Candy and other stuff we want
>
> 2-3 weeks on the Atkins diet and the sugar cravings are gone.
> Sheila
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I
> start
> > >eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone.
> Even if I
> > >move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up
> after a
> > >few minutes and retrieve it and have more.
> >
> > Hah! I've even tried putting them in the freezer. They taste just
> fine
> > frozen........sigh.
> > Tia
> >
> >
> > Tia Leschke leschke@i...
> > On Vancouver Island
> >
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:52:00 -0600
> From: "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1602
>
> <<Can I stay if I take some and leave some?>>
>
> Aimee, that is the only way you can stay. Otherwise, you are just being
> reactionary :)
>
> Here is my thought on all this:
>
> I was raised by the very typical Cleaver-type parents, loving, nurturing,
> but definitely in control of many areas. When I had kids, I just
> kind of fell into that. It seemed very normal to set time limits onmyself
> television, not let kids climb high, require veggies before dessert, etc..
> The kids would ask for something or to do something and I would find
> saying "no" more out of habit than anything else."givens"
>
> After I found unschooling, I found that I began to question so many
> in my life, that things didn't have to be a certain pre-set way. So Ihog
> started to look at various things at our house and how we did things. Why
> did I have a time limit on television? Would my kids just sit in front of
> the television all day, even when I had other interesting things available
> for them?
>
> Did I have to deny my kids soda? Or by talking with them about healthy
> choices, about how there is 7 of us and we need to share, would they not
> down a 3 liter bottle?decided
>
> Was it necessary that the 3 yo clean up their mess alone whenever I
> it was time? Or could I decide to clean it up and ask if she wanted tohelp
> me? Could I provide room for her to learn competence by allowing her tolittle
> work alongside me doing "chores" rather than simply let her "help" a
> so I could make sure the dishes were put away "properly"?and
>
> I don't think unschooling/unparenting is necessarily about "you have to do
> it this prescribed way", but about questioning your motives, checking out
> alternatives, giving kids as much freedom as is absolutely possible.
> Example: My 8 and 4 yo today had taken the mattress off the bottom bunk
> placed it at an angle so it made a slide. They were wearing sweatsuitsand
> jumping off the top bunk, landing on the mattress with their knees andme,
> sliding down. These 2 do this kind of stuff and it isn't a big deal to
> but most moms I know would have a cow about how they could get hurt (I doWe
> remind the kids to be careful because bonked heads hurt).-----but my 3yo
> isn't allowed to play out front by himself. He has no fear at all and
> simply follows various wildlife off into the undeveloped land around us.
> talk a lot about needing to stay here but his priorities are different. Iinput
> do go outside with him daily out front, take walks into the surrounding
> land, let him play independently in the fenced backyard. but I also know
> that I am in charge of where he plays.
>
> Anyway, thats my take. I want to always question myself, to try to figure
> out a way that the kids can do things they want safely, even if it is a
> little scary for me, rather than simply deny them, to be open to their
> so we can have agreements about how things get done rather than medeciding
> alone.so
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:01:57 -0000
> From: sheran@...
> Subject: Re: unschooling vs. unparenting
>
> Hmm...What if everyone in the house said 'no thank you' to doing the
> dishes? You would have a pretty messy house pretty soon. If a child
> lives in the home and gets all the benefits of being in the home, why
> shouldn't the child do his/her fair share of the housework? Is it
> fair to let one (or two) people do all of the housework?
>
> > Yep, it's a request, and she does once in a while say, 'no thank
> you', but
>
> > > Sure you can ask, as long as it's asking and not commanding.
> Often people
> > > say ask when they mean command. Asking implies that the answer
> could be
> > > no...
>
> So if your child never cleans up his food or throws away his trash
> and a social worker comes into your home and asks why the house is
> unsanitary, are you just going to say, "Oh, he decided he didn't want
> to clean up after himself"?
>
> Sheila
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:34:22 -0500
> From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: unschooling vs. unparenting
>
> on 11/20/01 10:53 AM, Paul Bogush at shaggyhill@... wrote:
>
> > For clarification sake, what you (the general group, from what I've read
> > far) seem to saying is that I shouldn't restrict things like TV, junkfoods,
> > messiness....parents
>
> No, but we are saying the these things don't cause the problems that
> who restrict them fear they will.happen
>
> Don't think of what's said as a new set of rules, but a new way of living
> with your child. More as her partner in her discovery of the world rather
> than her leader or trainer.
>
> > How about bedtimes? Can I set the time she goes in?
>
> What are your reasons for having a set bedtime? What do you fear will
> if she stays up as late as she wants?get
>
> Some parents who like an hour or two alone together in the evening say it
> works well if they suggest a time the kids head to their rooms to read or
> listen to tapes or whatever.
>
> You can suggest it, but I suspect at 3 1/2 she won't want to be alone.
>
> If you give her freedom, be prepared for her to run wild with it. She'll
> disregard how tired she is and want to stay up as late as possible. (Same
> with anything that's been controlled and restricted.) Eventually she'll
> back in touch with how her body feels and know she doesn't have to graspas
> much night as she can before it's controlled again.feel
>
> > stuff I just thought was helping kids learn
> > manners, being responsible, etc.
>
> How long does it actually take to learn manners? People seem to think it
> takes 18 full years of training ;-) But if we treat them the way we'd like
> them to treat us and others, then they'll learn. They'll want others to
> as nice as our being respectful does to them. (It will take some kidslonger
> than others.)you
>
> > Please don't write all of this off by saying that my
> > emotional state could have been the sole cause of her changes in
> > behavior....
>
> Probably not the sole cause, but I bet it's a good part of it. I suspect
> weren't as engaged with her as you had been. Kids are sensitive to moodsand
> the way they react isn't necessarily how we expect them to. As otherssaid,
> she was also discovering something new, exploring something heretoforDalmations
> restricted. I also remember my daughter at 2 wanted to watch 101
> over and over and over in a day, so there's the age factor.of
>
> But is an adverse reaction really a bad thing? Isn't that our body's way
> talking to us? And isn't ignoring it part of mastering our bodies? If sheconnection.
> never gets to experience those feelings how will she learn to recognize it
> when her body is saying it needs a change of pace?
>
> If you see her getting cranky or whatever, you can suggest a new activity
> that's better than TV like a trip to the playground or the store or doing
> something with you in the house. She may turn it down, but offer
> periodically (not nag) so she has the opportunity to experience how
> something new affects her body. She may need to watch for a while. She may
> need several opportunities doing something different to see the
>her
> > And what about the types of videos? Do I get any say in what
> > she watches?
>
> What do you think she'd watch if you didn't restrict? What effects do you
> think they'd have on her?
>
> My daughter can watch anything she wants and she chooses what interests
> and what she feels comfortable with which isn't beyond the bounds of whatI
> would have chosen for her. (Well, asthetically speaking I don't think I'dadult
> choose Ed, Edd and Eddie ;-)
>
> You, of course, do have a "say" since you won't be taking her into an
> video store to pick something out, but you probably won't send her downthe
> grownup drama aisle either. But not because they would be bad for her butavoiding
> just because they'd bore her silly. (Though my daughter was fascinated by
> all 3 hours of Dances with Wolves at 5 or 6 so you never know!)
>
> So your "say" is to help her find the types of things that would interest
> her.
>
> > Or do I have to wait
> > for 'natural' consequences to kick in...
>
> Quite frankly there rarely are natural consequences to the kids for
> chores. Do kids care if the living room floor can't be walked through? Dothat
> they care if the toilet or tub is dirty? Do they care if there aren't any
> clean dishes in the house? (They'd probably, rightly from their point of
> view, suggest paper plates ;-) From *their* point of view it makes a lot
> more sense if the toys are kept out where they can easily be played with.
>
> Kids *do* have different points of view. The things they care about *are*
> different. We don't need to train them to care. Time will take care of
> -- *if* you're thinking of them taking care of themselves as adults. Ifabout
> you're thinking of them caring about how the house looks, don't hold your
> breath ;-) We *think* we provide them with a home and they should care
> it's upkeep. But we don't. We provide them with what *we* want to givethem.
> It's ours, not theirs. If it was theirs, they'd get a say in how it wasanswers
> decorated and what state of cleanliness (or not) was acceptable.
>
> If you help them pick up, if you ask for help (and allow one of the
> to be no thanks without anger), kids will pitch in.first
>
> As for their rooms, would you want your daughter deciding when you should
> clean your room and to what state of cleanliness? It might be cute the
> time ;-) but it would get old pretty quick. Especially if you didn't seethe
> reason for the standards she was imposing. When you feel the urge to cleandoesn't
> it you can ask her if she doesn't mind if you straighten up. If she
> have to help, I bet she will at least for a while.provide
>
> > Also, why is it a bad thing if we grow, raise, purchase, cook, and
> > for our family healthy, wholesome, organic foods? I work really hard todo
> > this!try
>
> I think it's helpful to see this as something you want to give to your
> family not something that they are asking for and must have. They will
> survive on junk. You want to offer take the time and effort to offer them
> something better. If you talk about why you make the choices you do rather
> than why your daughter needs to eat in such and such a way -- as it sounds
> like you do -- then she'll understand the reasoning behind your choices.
> That won't necessarily mean she'll agree for herself. She might need to
> things out for her self. (That's the heart of unschooling anyway ;-) Butjust
> there's a difference between freely exploring and rebelling from control.
> The second is often done not because the child necessarily wants to but
> because it's forbidden.
>
> Joyce
>
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Alan Moorehead
Briefly, here is my experience with ice cream: The first word to ever
come out of my mouth as a toddler was "creme" (ice cream, in french). I
said it as I was stroking the freezer. From that day on, it has been my
favorite food (coffee ice cream, especially). For decades, it could not
be in the freezer without me gobbling it up. Not a day would go by
without me eating a BIG bowl after dinner.
During the last 10 years, I have found that, with just a little bit of
will-power, if I don't eat any ice cream for 3 or 4 days (that's all it
takes), I stop craving it. I am even able to keep it in the freezer and
dish it out to my children without taking a taste - and somehow, it's
not that hard to do. I'm very proud of myself. I believe sugar is
truly addictive, but in my personal case, it doesn't take long to break
that addiction.
Mimi
Kathy wrote:
come out of my mouth as a toddler was "creme" (ice cream, in french). I
said it as I was stroking the freezer. From that day on, it has been my
favorite food (coffee ice cream, especially). For decades, it could not
be in the freezer without me gobbling it up. Not a day would go by
without me eating a BIG bowl after dinner.
During the last 10 years, I have found that, with just a little bit of
will-power, if I don't eat any ice cream for 3 or 4 days (that's all it
takes), I stop craving it. I am even able to keep it in the freezer and
dish it out to my children without taking a taste - and somehow, it's
not that hard to do. I'm very proud of myself. I believe sugar is
truly addictive, but in my personal case, it doesn't take long to break
that addiction.
Mimi
Kathy wrote:
> Milanos, candy, cheesecake, chocolate chunk brownies. How's that for[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> an
> attention grabber?
>
> To Sandra and others who mentioned that they can polish off a bag of
> milanos or candy, I have a real question for you. I know everyone's
> different, and that their reasons for being attracted to certain foods
>
> may be different, but the idea of some foods being "just foods" and
> others being "eat all up right away/in a few days" is driving me nuts.
>
> Do you buy those things all the time, or do you limit when you buy
> them? I mean any food that you can gobble right down. If I buy them
> (candy/cookies/cake/whatever) we eat them all up right away within a
> couple of days to the exclusion of healthier foods.
>
> Do you buy them once in a while, or hardly ever, or do you even think
> about them in the store?
>
> I sound obsessed with food, and right now I am. I am trying so hard to
>
> figure out healthy things to eat to get my life back. I have been free
>
> of most junk for a few days now, and feel alot better, but I still
> would eat junk before I would eat the healthy stuff if it was in the
> house. These foods are not the total cause of obesity, but they are a
> big part of eating beyond normal satisfaction for me and many others.
> Eating even when you're not hungry. Somehow they bypass the normal
> appetite regulation system, and you eat more than your body needs.
>
> I don't think my food was a problem when I was growing up. We didn't
> restrict foods that I can remember. I had no desire to rebel growing
> up
> because I really liked my parents. I felt like they were fair and
> always treated me like a person. We had junk around the house
> sometimes
> and it never lasted long. My dad could let a candy bar get dusty, but
> mom and I finished ours on the way home from the store.
>
> I want to balance out my brain chemistry so I can let the candy bar
> get
> dusty.
>
> Kathy B.
> ps-I read part of an interesting book about the similarities between
> addictions (there's that word again) to food, alcohol, and drugs, and
> the links to certain levels of seratonin (the feel good chemical) in
> the brain. It has a goofy title, but very interesting research and
> thoughts inside of it. I never dieted, and I hate the idea for many
> reasons, but this book is not about any wacky diet. This link to
> amazon
> for the book is not to sell it. It is because it is the handiest way
> for me to convey the most info about the book in one link.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140286527/qid=1006255135/sr=8-
>
> 2/ref=sr_8_7_2/103-1945494-7959865
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
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That's true. Try the Atkins Diet. Stop eating all carbos (simple and
complex), get into ketosis, drink lots of water, eat fats and proteins,
exercise a little, and watch that body fat melt away. Sugar cravings
will be non-existent and you never feel hungry. It is kind of boring
though and does require a lot of will-power the first week. I don't
recommend it without your doctor's approval, especially if you have weak
kidneys.
Mimi
sheran@... wrote:
complex), get into ketosis, drink lots of water, eat fats and proteins,
exercise a little, and watch that body fat melt away. Sugar cravings
will be non-existent and you never feel hungry. It is kind of boring
though and does require a lot of will-power the first week. I don't
recommend it without your doctor's approval, especially if you have weak
kidneys.
Mimi
sheran@... wrote:
> >2-3 weeks on the Atkins diet and the sugar cravings are gone.ADVERTISEMENT
> Sheila<
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Tia Leschke <leschke@i...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Kathy -- This is really true for me and my family as well. When I
> start
> > >eating sugary foods, I usually can't stop until they are gone.
> Even if I
> > >move the cookie bag farther and farther away, I will still get up
> after a
> > >few minutes and retrieve it and have more.
> >
> > Hah! I've even tried putting them in the freezer. They taste just
> fine
> > frozen........sigh.
> > Tia
> >
> >
> > Tia Leschke leschke@i...
> > On Vancouver Island
> >
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In a message dated 11/21/01 7:38:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,
amoorehead@... writes:
lost lots of weight. A couple got MEAN and testy. Some have gained the
weight back.
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amoorehead@... writes:
> Try the Atkins Diet. Stop eating all carbos (simple andA huge bunch of my friends did this all at once a couple of years ago. Most
> complex), get into ketosis, drink lots of water, eat fats and proteins,
> exercise a little, and watch that body fat melt away. Sugar cravings
> will be non-existent and you never feel hungry. It is kind of boring
> though and does require a lot of will-power the first week.
lost lots of weight. A couple got MEAN and testy. Some have gained the
weight back.
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Okay, I'm probably going to feel like a dimwit here,
but what is 'ketosis'? Thanks.
Meghan
<<get into ketosis
Mimi>>
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Hi everyone and Meghan,
Before anyone goes on any specialty diet, it is very important to
research what that particular diet can do to your body. It could help
to read what McDougall and others say on the subject of
hunger, diets and ketosis. He is not the final word, but he makes a lot
of sense. My point is research alot, not just the person who is selling
you the diet. You don't want to damage your body
or self image based on claims of a miracle cure from someone who's
trying to make money off of you. Alot of times ordinary people will
even recommend a diet that didn't work for them,
because they want to justify their choice. They still want to believe
that the diet is a miracle, and it only might not have worked this time
for them because they weren't strong enough to stay
on.
Diets that are wacky just don't work in the long run. They set you up,
and blame you for failure. Wacky as in starvation levels of calories,
strict portion controls, or anything that drives you
nuts to stay on it so that you go off it and gain more back. To be a
real change for life it has to be sustainable and make you feel better
to be on it than off.
People who sell diets/books/pills/programs make tons of money from our
belief that if only we were stronger the diets would work. That it's
always our fault.
I think it could help to do your own research on nutrition. On what
elements the body needs to run and what sugar/caffeine/refined flours
and other common foods do to your metabolism.
Some people are affected more than others. Mostly it's an energy roller
coaster though and best to stay off. The real fuel for our bodies seems
to be some protein (but not excessive amounts
that your body/kidneys has to work overtime to flush out of your system
taking calcium and other nutrients with it.), plenty of water (for your
lungs, blood, brain, and digestion), maybe
some added fats (that's debated alot), and mostly Complex Carbohydrates
such as:
Vegetables, fruit (some people do better with little or no fruit for
many reasons), Super Vegetables (like broccoli that has calcium and
vitamin C, cabbage, cauliflower), and the Color
Vegetables (dark green leafy, and dark orange or yellow like squash and
yams). Protein can be found plenty in plant sources, and doesn't
overtax the body with all the baggage of meat
(cholesterol, fat, hormones, antibiotics, guilt). Whole grains are
important foods too, and potatoes.
People don't really make alot of money telling people to go vegan. It's
just not glamorous or marketable. There are no flashy charts, systems,
special packages, or pills. It's just basic
nutrition. People want a new idea, some miracle science cure pill. The
easy part is you can eat whenever you want, as much as you want to
satisfaction, lose weight, and feel great.
So try going vegan for a few months. Get rid of sugar and flour also if
you want to lose the extra pounds. Your body, pocket book, and the
environment will be better off for the change.
Kathy B.
easier said than done, in a society of omnivores, sugar junkies, and
diet police.
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., meghan anderson <moonmeghan@y...>
wrote:
Before anyone goes on any specialty diet, it is very important to
research what that particular diet can do to your body. It could help
to read what McDougall and others say on the subject of
hunger, diets and ketosis. He is not the final word, but he makes a lot
of sense. My point is research alot, not just the person who is selling
you the diet. You don't want to damage your body
or self image based on claims of a miracle cure from someone who's
trying to make money off of you. Alot of times ordinary people will
even recommend a diet that didn't work for them,
because they want to justify their choice. They still want to believe
that the diet is a miracle, and it only might not have worked this time
for them because they weren't strong enough to stay
on.
Diets that are wacky just don't work in the long run. They set you up,
and blame you for failure. Wacky as in starvation levels of calories,
strict portion controls, or anything that drives you
nuts to stay on it so that you go off it and gain more back. To be a
real change for life it has to be sustainable and make you feel better
to be on it than off.
People who sell diets/books/pills/programs make tons of money from our
belief that if only we were stronger the diets would work. That it's
always our fault.
I think it could help to do your own research on nutrition. On what
elements the body needs to run and what sugar/caffeine/refined flours
and other common foods do to your metabolism.
Some people are affected more than others. Mostly it's an energy roller
coaster though and best to stay off. The real fuel for our bodies seems
to be some protein (but not excessive amounts
that your body/kidneys has to work overtime to flush out of your system
taking calcium and other nutrients with it.), plenty of water (for your
lungs, blood, brain, and digestion), maybe
some added fats (that's debated alot), and mostly Complex Carbohydrates
such as:
Vegetables, fruit (some people do better with little or no fruit for
many reasons), Super Vegetables (like broccoli that has calcium and
vitamin C, cabbage, cauliflower), and the Color
Vegetables (dark green leafy, and dark orange or yellow like squash and
yams). Protein can be found plenty in plant sources, and doesn't
overtax the body with all the baggage of meat
(cholesterol, fat, hormones, antibiotics, guilt). Whole grains are
important foods too, and potatoes.
People don't really make alot of money telling people to go vegan. It's
just not glamorous or marketable. There are no flashy charts, systems,
special packages, or pills. It's just basic
nutrition. People want a new idea, some miracle science cure pill. The
easy part is you can eat whenever you want, as much as you want to
satisfaction, lose weight, and feel great.
So try going vegan for a few months. Get rid of sugar and flour also if
you want to lose the extra pounds. Your body, pocket book, and the
environment will be better off for the change.
Kathy B.
easier said than done, in a society of omnivores, sugar junkies, and
diet police.
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., meghan anderson <moonmeghan@y...>
wrote:
> Okay, I'm probably going to feel like a dimwit here,
> but what is 'ketosis'? Thanks.
>
> Meghan
>
> <<get into ketosis
>
> Mimi>>
>
> __________________________________________________
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
we need to figure out for ourselves what works and what doesn't.
Trying new things is not a bad idea, but knowing what signs to watch
for (that they are not working) is important.
Bridget
> In a message dated 11/21/01 7:38:05 PM Mountain Standard Time,ago. Most
> amoorehead@h... writes:
> >
> > Try the Atkins Diet.
>
> A huge bunch of my friends did this all at once a couple of years
> lost lots of weight. A couple got MEAN and testy. Some havegained the
> weight back.I think t hat just supports my belief that we are all different and
>
we need to figure out for ourselves what works and what doesn't.
Trying new things is not a bad idea, but knowing what signs to watch
for (that they are not working) is important.
Bridget
[email protected]
A couple got MEAN and testy. Some have gained the
nastiness go away. You also often get a hypoglycemic headache for a
few days. It's your body going into withdrawel because it's craving
the sugar addiction.
The bad thing about Atkins is that if you go off it, the weight will
come back. Atkins describes the diet as a way of life rather than a
diet that is temporary.
> weight back.If you can stick on the diet past two weeks, the meannes and
nastiness go away. You also often get a hypoglycemic headache for a
few days. It's your body going into withdrawel because it's craving
the sugar addiction.
The bad thing about Atkins is that if you go off it, the weight will
come back. Atkins describes the diet as a way of life rather than a
diet that is temporary.
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/22/01 9:49:37 AM Mountain Standard Time, sheran@...
writes:
argument with almost everyone he knew, when I asked him whether he thought
the diet might be part of that (since another couple of his partners in
dieting seemed also to feel like their lives had turned to flaming crap). It
was way past two weeks, and he was getting worse, not better.
A way of life in a human that avoids foods that are naturally found by
hunters and gatherers doesn't seem to be headed in a natural direction.
Sandra
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writes:
> If you can stick on the diet past two weeks, the meannes andMy usually-sweet friend Jeff was on at least three months, and had had an
> nastiness go away.
argument with almost everyone he knew, when I asked him whether he thought
the diet might be part of that (since another couple of his partners in
dieting seemed also to feel like their lives had turned to flaming crap). It
was way past two weeks, and he was getting worse, not better.
A way of life in a human that avoids foods that are naturally found by
hunters and gatherers doesn't seem to be headed in a natural direction.
Sandra
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[email protected]
footnote to my last post (sorry):
I forgot to put the bit to which I was responding:
could commonly find didn't seem to be headed toward a natural way of life.
But without the quote and the way it was worded it was just going to be
confusing.
Sandra
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I forgot to put the bit to which I was responding:
> Atkins describes the diet as a way of life rather than aMy comment was a way of life that avoided foods that hunters and gatherers
> diet that is temporary.
could commonly find didn't seem to be headed toward a natural way of life.
But without the quote and the way it was worded it was just going to be
confusing.
Sandra
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Alan Moorehead
Yes. Definitely. The Atkins way of eating is a way of life. Reading
his books changed my whole outlook on food and what my body needs as an
animals. I grew up as practically a vegetarian and as an adult ate many
years as a vegan and later I was into a macrobiotic diet. I totally
avoided meat. I was also, for years, anemic (sp?) and could hardly ever
donate blood or plateletts, which was important to me.
After reading Atkins and after over 40 years of being primarily
vegetarian and eating very little meat or dairy, I have made a complete
turnaround. I now concentrate on the proteins and avoid many of the
carbohydrates. Especially, the pastas, potatoes, rice and beans which I
loved. I now eat lots of eggs and don't limit my consumption of meats
at all. I allow myself most of the veggies except stuff like corn and
peas. I eat lots of salad and other veggies like broccolli and
spinach. I also avoid fruits. I also take supplement vitamins and
minerals.
I have found that this new diet works very well for me. I feel much
stronger. I swim faster and I am no longer anemic. I can now donate
plateletts every week.
I wish I had read Atkins years ago. He's been around since the 70's,
you know. And, yes my cholesterol level is low, as it has always been.
Mimi
sheran@... wrote:
his books changed my whole outlook on food and what my body needs as an
animals. I grew up as practically a vegetarian and as an adult ate many
years as a vegan and later I was into a macrobiotic diet. I totally
avoided meat. I was also, for years, anemic (sp?) and could hardly ever
donate blood or plateletts, which was important to me.
After reading Atkins and after over 40 years of being primarily
vegetarian and eating very little meat or dairy, I have made a complete
turnaround. I now concentrate on the proteins and avoid many of the
carbohydrates. Especially, the pastas, potatoes, rice and beans which I
loved. I now eat lots of eggs and don't limit my consumption of meats
at all. I allow myself most of the veggies except stuff like corn and
peas. I eat lots of salad and other veggies like broccolli and
spinach. I also avoid fruits. I also take supplement vitamins and
minerals.
I have found that this new diet works very well for me. I feel much
stronger. I swim faster and I am no longer anemic. I can now donate
plateletts every week.
I wish I had read Atkins years ago. He's been around since the 70's,
you know. And, yes my cholesterol level is low, as it has always been.
Mimi
sheran@... wrote:
> The bad thing about Atkins is that if you go off it, the weight willADVERTISEMENT
> come back. Atkins describes the diet as a way of life rather than a
> diet that is temporary.
>
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