Re: Re: Food, allergies, and such
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/18/2001 1:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
constantly tries to get him to eat stuff with meat in it, saying that we
"made him this way." (Keep in mind that I am a carnivore.) She doesn't hear
or respect that this is HIS decision and important to HIM, and then she
wonders why he doesn't really like her very much. She doesn't treat him with
respect.
kids? That our right to bring peanut butter to school is more important than
having Jessie and Mark there? Call me crazy, but I think people are more
important than food preferences. Altering something this simple to show
love, caring, and respect for another person seems pretty basic.
Sigh...
Kathryn
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[email protected] writes:
> Actually, I'm using a basically hypothetical example here to discuss theThis is so scary. My son is a strong ethical vegetarian. My ex-mother-in-law
> *issue*. My child does have medically necessary dietary restrictions. And,
> for our family, our daughter is only 'out' with appropraite adult
> supervision...ours or friends. We have found that some "friends" (using the
> term loosely here) are quite willing to lie about food our daughter has
> ingested...and or feel that they are treating her by offering things she
> likes, but is not supposed to eat. She's almost 7 now.....we want her to
> enjoy outings with friends....it's a challenge at times when the friend's
> parents may not be reliable.
>
>
constantly tries to get him to eat stuff with meat in it, saying that we
"made him this way." (Keep in mind that I am a carnivore.) She doesn't hear
or respect that this is HIS decision and important to HIM, and then she
wonders why he doesn't really like her very much. She doesn't treat him with
respect.
>To me, it's sad that this turns into a big deal. What are they teaching their
> A local preschool in our area became a "no-nut" zone this year to protect
> two students with nut allergies. It was a big deal...lawyers and
> everything...about whether the school has the 'right' to restrict what
> parents can pack in the little ones lunches just to enable TWO students to
> attend.
>
>
kids? That our right to bring peanut butter to school is more important than
having Jessie and Mark there? Call me crazy, but I think people are more
important than food preferences. Altering something this simple to show
love, caring, and respect for another person seems pretty basic.
Sigh...
Kathryn
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Tia Leschke
>I pretty much agree with this but........I know there are a lot of
>To me, it's sad that this turns into a big deal. What are they teaching their
>kids? That our right to bring peanut butter to school is more important than
>having Jessie and Mark there? Call me crazy, but I think people are more
>important than food preferences. Altering something this simple to show
>love, caring, and respect for another person seems pretty basic.
preschoolers out there who will refuse to eat much of anything besides
peanut butter sandwiches. It would probably be easy to convince an older
child that their choice of food could be dangerous to another child, but it
would be hard with a preschooler. All the more reason to not send them to
daycare. <g>
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Lynda
I agree with that, Kathryn. When the kidlets were little I heard the mil
from h*ll carping "what are you doing, running a cafeteria." Eldest kidlet
only liked (gag warning <g>) over cooked pasta with ketsup on it, chicken
and weird things like heart and brussel sprouts. Eldest son wanted exotic
foods like smoked oysters, sardines, anchovies and all types of sea foods.
Of course, it couldn't be simple. Eldest kidlet absolutely refused to eat
any fish and eldest son would not under any circumstances eat chicken. Then
along comes son #2. As a tiny tot he liked things like mushroom soup and
capers. Then along comes son #3. He was a blue baby and for two years had
colic and sleep apnea. One day a food would be o.k. and the next he would
be violently ill.
So, I ran a "cafeteria" until they were old enough to do their own cooking.
Big deal, unlike Peg, I can use all four burners at once <g> Thank goodness
the last two were not as fussy. Well, unless you count that youngest has to
read every single solitary label and if it has something she doesn't know or
sounds like a chemical in the list of ingredients then it is not allowed in
the basket!
We have vegan friends and the kidlets help plan and prepare the meals when
they visit. They understand and have no problem eating someone else's way
when they visit. They don't consider that forced choices, just doing
something for someone they like.
Youngest kidlet (9 yo) is a peanut butter "nut." I mean, she'd have peanut
butter for breakfast, lunch and dinner if we weren't having other things she
liked as well! I asked her what she thought about the whole peanut allergy
discussion and whether it would bother her to not take a pb&h sandwich to
the park and she gave me one of those "that's a dumb question" looks and
said "of course not, why." A little later she came in with a really sad
look and said "Does that mean there are people who care about a dumb
sandwich more than a little kid?"
Lynda
from h*ll carping "what are you doing, running a cafeteria." Eldest kidlet
only liked (gag warning <g>) over cooked pasta with ketsup on it, chicken
and weird things like heart and brussel sprouts. Eldest son wanted exotic
foods like smoked oysters, sardines, anchovies and all types of sea foods.
Of course, it couldn't be simple. Eldest kidlet absolutely refused to eat
any fish and eldest son would not under any circumstances eat chicken. Then
along comes son #2. As a tiny tot he liked things like mushroom soup and
capers. Then along comes son #3. He was a blue baby and for two years had
colic and sleep apnea. One day a food would be o.k. and the next he would
be violently ill.
So, I ran a "cafeteria" until they were old enough to do their own cooking.
Big deal, unlike Peg, I can use all four burners at once <g> Thank goodness
the last two were not as fussy. Well, unless you count that youngest has to
read every single solitary label and if it has something she doesn't know or
sounds like a chemical in the list of ingredients then it is not allowed in
the basket!
We have vegan friends and the kidlets help plan and prepare the meals when
they visit. They understand and have no problem eating someone else's way
when they visit. They don't consider that forced choices, just doing
something for someone they like.
Youngest kidlet (9 yo) is a peanut butter "nut." I mean, she'd have peanut
butter for breakfast, lunch and dinner if we weren't having other things she
liked as well! I asked her what she thought about the whole peanut allergy
discussion and whether it would bother her to not take a pb&h sandwich to
the park and she gave me one of those "that's a dumb question" looks and
said "of course not, why." A little later she came in with a really sad
look and said "Does that mean there are people who care about a dumb
sandwich more than a little kid?"
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <KathrynJB@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Re: Food, allergies, and such
> In a message dated 11/18/2001 1:41:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Actually, I'm using a basically hypothetical example here to discuss
the
> > *issue*. My child does have medically necessary dietary restrictions.
And,
> > for our family, our daughter is only 'out' with appropraite adult
> > supervision...ours or friends. We have found that some "friends" (using
the
> > term loosely here) are quite willing to lie about food our daughter has
> > ingested...and or feel that they are treating her by offering things she
> > likes, but is not supposed to eat. She's almost 7 now.....we want her
to
> > enjoy outings with friends....it's a challenge at times when the
friend's
> > parents may not be reliable.
> >
> >
>
> This is so scary. My son is a strong ethical vegetarian. My
ex-mother-in-law
> constantly tries to get him to eat stuff with meat in it, saying that we
> "made him this way." (Keep in mind that I am a carnivore.) She doesn't
hear
> or respect that this is HIS decision and important to HIM, and then she
> wonders why he doesn't really like her very much. She doesn't treat him
with
> respect.
>
> >
> > A local preschool in our area became a "no-nut" zone this year to
protect
> > two students with nut allergies. It was a big deal...lawyers and
> > everything...about whether the school has the 'right' to restrict what
> > parents can pack in the little ones lunches just to enable TWO students
to
> > attend.
> >
> >
>
> To me, it's sad that this turns into a big deal. What are they teaching
their
> kids? That our right to bring peanut butter to school is more important
than
> having Jessie and Mark there? Call me crazy, but I think people are more
> important than food preferences. Altering something this simple to show
> love, caring, and respect for another person seems pretty basic.
>
> Sigh...
> Kathryn
>
>
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[email protected]
In a message dated 11/18/01 1:27:48 PM Mountain Standard Time,
KathrynJB@... writes:
caring and respect. If they go to a school because of compulsory attendance
laws and happen to be in the same district, that's not quite the same
situation. Maybe another child only will eat peanut butter for lunch and
really wants it, or is hypoglycemic and vegetarian and peanuts are a staple.
Making the 400 (or however many) kids feel guilty for the medical problems of
the two doesn't seem equitable to me.
Sandra
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KathrynJB@... writes:
> That our right to bring peanut butter to school is more important thanIf they chose to marry Jessie or Mark, or to be roommates, then it's love,
> having Jessie and Mark there? Call me crazy, but I think people are more
> important than food preferences. Altering something this simple to show
> love, caring, and respect for another person seems pretty basic.
>
caring and respect. If they go to a school because of compulsory attendance
laws and happen to be in the same district, that's not quite the same
situation. Maybe another child only will eat peanut butter for lunch and
really wants it, or is hypoglycemic and vegetarian and peanuts are a staple.
Making the 400 (or however many) kids feel guilty for the medical problems of
the two doesn't seem equitable to me.
Sandra
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