Allison Crilly

You know, I just can't take any more of this juvenile, junior high stuff anymore.

Has it occured to any of the people who have jumped on the Sandra bandwagon that she was not attacked in any way, has scared off several newcomers (myself included, this is my last post before I unsub, and I wonder how many lurkers who were just here to research unschooling have been turned off completely?) and has managed to turn at least 2 different threads into personal ego strokes.

I've been holding my opinions in, and have felt like I have to re-write every post several times, clarify any possible points of confusion, make only "I" statements, never generalize in any way. This is the most oppressive board I've ever been on. On the radical unschooling board, a mother mentioned recently in passing that she monitors her children's tv viewing, I was waiting for a firestorm, then realized that this is the difference between a functional community and a non-functional one, the ability to state opinions without fear of reprisal. I'm sorry to have to leave here, and there are a few voices that I will miss, but I've only been here a few weeks, and I find myself disgusted with the behavior of some people here. I find myself hurt or angry by almost every post (and it takes a LOT to rile me.) I'm on other boards with many different kinds of people, including fundamentalists christians, who have not displayed the judgemental, arrogant, narcissistic behavior I've seen here. I'm going back to the "rigid" hs boards where I can actually speak my mind for once.

Goodbye.
----- Original Message -----
From: curtkar@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: more interested in proving a point than in having a discussion


Great analogy, Sandra.
I, for one, appreciate reading your thoughts and opinions on various
topics, unschooling or not.
(Is anything NOT related in some way to unschooling?)
My 2 cents.

Karin



--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> > -=-you are way more interested in proving a point than in having
a
> >
>
> I would hope that discussions about unschooling would be heavily
involved
> with point making. I really think discussions of people with
opinions they
> can back up are more valuable than just idle chit chat with no
intent to
> inform or influence others in the discussion.
>
> I think some people are more comfortable with "discussions" that go
this way:
>
> Have you seen the news of Aghanistan?
> A bird is in the yard!
> Yes, the sun just came out.
> My son hates to read.
> We love our new church.
> When I was little we lived near a church.
> The bird is splashing in the water.
>
> No disagreements.
> Also no information, and no learning.
>
> And I think there are people who would love for online discussions
to all be
> this way:
>
> "I keep my child from wearing red because it disturbs me and I'm
sure it
> would eventually disturb him, and if I let him wear red, I know he
would wear
> nothing but red every day for the rest of his life."
> "You're such a good mom!"
> "Nobody knows your son like you do."
> "Maybe I'll stop letting my son wear red too."
> "What about daughters?"
> "How old was he when you realized wearing red was the source of all
his
> learning problems?"
> "What about pink? Maroon?"
> "Your son is so lucky to have you as a mom!"
> "I wish I had kept my son from wearing red."
> "Red is the color of Satan, so you're intuitively a good mom and
your child
> will live forever."
> "Red sets up a vibration of agitation, but there is an aromatherapy
antidote."
> "Oh, thank you!"
> "I'm so glad I came here to discuss this!"
> "Yes, I love these deep, heartfelt discussions."
>
> I think when a person goes so far as to take children out of
school AND they
> reject the nicely packaged curriculum and traditional schedule and
behaviors
> AND they have found unschooling.com (which I realize some on this
list still
> have not, but it's there, nevertheless, and I hope it's listed on
the
> yahoogroups main page for this list), they are probably ready to
REALLY
> honestly discuss things of importance to their children's futures.
And lots
> of people here and on the forum are unhappy and scared and on the
verge of
> giving up unschooling so they can't get it.
>
> We can be la-la supportive of bad ideas along with the good. We
can send
> them elsewhere for real information. Or we can discuss issues and
compare
> results and offer alternatives and options and we can brainstorm.
Learning
> doesn't take place as well in a still, quiet, near-sleep state as
it does in
> a more active, aroused, alert state.
>
> If a person has NO new thoughts to think, no new phases for their
children to
> pass through, no questions whatsoever about hobbies or resources or
> unschooling practicalities, then they don't need the opinions they
can find
> here. Maybe they just came to chat. If by chat they mean "be
totally
> supported and never questioned," they just came to the wrong list.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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