[email protected]

In a message dated 11/16/2001 1:18:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:


> Moi <g>
>
> Lynda
>

ROFLMAO. . . . too funny Lynda. You are correct!!

lovemary


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Joseph Fuerst

Bridget makes some good points on Sandra's 'style'. I've listened to both
of them for quite awhile now.

And I've had the fairly recent experience of having my words seriously
misconstrued along with baseless assumptions about my state of mind - by
Sandra - that I must be envious of the TV....or jealous that my children
attend to it; and the erroneous assumption that because someone else's
metaphorical description "like a mindless bloog" brought to mind something
I'd studied over a decade ago, I must rely on the results of one study to
direct my decisions; not to mention the assumption that, because I
understand another parent's struggle with whether or how to limit TV
viewing, that I MUST be using some kind of measures to control my
children's behaviors.

I respect Sandra's perspective and experience, if not always liking her
style. I have come to understand from her input here, that she hopes to
enable those newer to unschooling to avoid mistakes she has either
experienced personally or through her relationships with others who've
travelled this path. These are MY words and MY understanding, which only
Sandra can clarify.

My recent experience with having my message so distorted leads me to wonder
whether Sandra likes to *rile* (sp?) things up in order to push buttons and
keep the discussion lively. If so, she is often effective. Regardless, I
have found that whether or not I have time to respond on the list, I do
more fully articulate my feelings and thoughts on a particular matter and
strengthen my convictions...whether I agree or not.

Likewise, early in the TV thread, I found Bridget's re-cap of her personal
experience, along with the wisdom - you know your children, trust your gut
(I'm paraphrasing) to be most beneficial to me. I think many of us in the
throes of coping with managing young children need to be reminded of basic
bits of wisdom from time to time - we probably 'know' to trust our gut, to
trust our children as they grow and learn....But our perspective and judgeme
nt get clouded at times in our weariness (Maybe I should only speak for
myself her -?- ). I appreciate a voice of experience that says...I've
travelled a similar road before...you will need to find your own
way....trust your instincts (i.e., if you're led to unschooling, you
probably have a basic belief in yourself and your children). I think this
is what Bridget tries to do.....again, these are my words, I'm not
speaking for Bridget!

Overall, I think we're fortunate to have both of you here.

Susan
> > It appears to me that both of you are putting words in the others
> mouths. If
> > you would each take the time to LISTEN to the other, you would
> discover you
> > probably are not that far apart on the issue. But instead you take
> a portion
> > of something the other said and distort it. No one said you were
> nuts for
> > thinking the way you do Sandra, and no one said your family was
> chock full of
> > badness Bridget. To infer those things from the conversation is
> paranoid and
> > looking for something to get upset about.
>
>
> 1. I'm not upset.
> 2. I listen to Sandra. But I do not and cannot respect the position
> that if we would all just do things her way, our problems would
> magically go away. And as recently as this week she has said nearly
> that.
> 3. Yes, my family deals with allergies, OCD and depression. No we
> are not discordant, unhappy and frustrated.
> 4. Perhaps those of us who have faced these problems and learned to
> deal with them within a framework of respect for individuality have
> something to offer that others who have not BTDT cannot simply
> because they have not faced the problems and challenges themselves.
> 5. No one has a monopoly on "right". I offer examples of how we do
> things here. I offer what worked and what didn't and why. I do not
> say that everyone has to do exactly what worked for me because it may
> not work for the next person.
> 6. I resent being called paranoid when I object to my posts being
> answered in such a way as to suggest that my family is dysfunctional.
> 7. We really don't want to rehash why I feel my family has been
> seriously maligned here do we?
>
> Bridget
>

Joseph Fuerst

>
> Can someone please explain to me why Sandra can say just about
> anything she wants here, including subtly bashing one's entire gender
> with something like, "And it is easy for some parents, especially
> dads, to expect more of children than they are emotionally and
> intellectually ready to understand." and not one of you calls her on
> it. Yet when she insults someone to the point where they get nasty
> back you are right there to jump in and defend her?
>
> Dan,
> I understand your frustration with what has been said and trust me
> when I say, they will only keep pushing your buttons and inciting
> you, then blast you when you respond.
>
> Bridget
>
Dan: Have to go along with Bridget here....those who've hung around have
witnessed it. I'll repeat my thought: I wonder if Sandra does this on
purpose? Maybe to keep things lively? Her input is often helpful...yet she
seems to enjoy flaming people....Bridget's gone through plenty of fire here,
she must be 'made of gold' .

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/16/01 9:14:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
fuerst@... writes:


> Her input is often helpful...yet she
>

I don't flame people at all. I ask questions about statements made and
issues on the table. I'm trying to discuss the ideas and practices and
theories and problems, not the people writing.

There are a few people who jump on me, by name. I'm interested in
information and unschooling, not individuals.

Sandra


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Lynda

----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>

> I don't flame people at all.

My what a short memory we have. This would definately qualify as a flame
"What benefit there is to her or any of the Arab world, I can't imagine
except that perhaps it is the joy of troublemaking"

>I ask questions about statements made and issues on the table. I'm trying
to discuss the ideas and practices and theories and problems, not the people
writing.
>
Oh really, I'd say that GOSSIP is definately not covered under the "issues
on the table category." For example "There are tales of you on other lists"
Now that is very junior high girls sitting around the quad backbiting
gossipy type statement and definately not on topic about unschooling issues.

> There are a few people who jump on me, by name. I'm interested in
> information and unschooling, not individuals.

Wrong again! This would definately come under the "individuals" category,
not the unschooling category, "I asked Lynda where she lived and how old her
kids were"

Need I go on. There are many, many more like these and dozens about list
members other than myself, folks who have either left the list or have gone
into lurkdom because of the attacks.

Lynda

P.S. Just curious, where in the world did you get that left field comment
about "her or any of the Arab world?"

[email protected]

The quotes were defense from a huge attack on me, with claims I and others on
the list considered to be false, which did entirely seem unrelated to
unschooling or anything else, and seemed, as others had said had happened on
other lists, to be wholly for the purpose of causing dissent, unrest,
irritation, etc. Trouble. And it was in the midst, as I recall, of some
discussion of what WOULD be helpful--sharing direct information about our own
homeschooling experiences, in which case I was pointing out that I have never
hesitated to tell whole, real stories, but others had declined to give
details.

Is that flaming? It's defense.

Comments saying "Sandra Sucks" are flames (or paraphrases thereon). Comments
suggesting people leave the list and don't unschool because of me are flames.
I think people leave the list because of the recurrent moaning about people
instead of discussing unschooling.

Sandra


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Bridget

Would you please point to any specific instance where someone said
something like. "Sandra sucks"?
I do think you have a lot to offer. I also think your
confrontational manner turns off many of the people you could be
helping. Telling people (or implying) that their medical problems
are all caused by control issues is not helpful.

Bridget

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:

>
> Comments saying "Sandra Sucks" are flames (or paraphrases
thereon). Comments
> suggesting people leave the list and don't unschool because of me
are flames.
> I think people leave the list because of the recurrent moaning
about people
> instead of discussing unschooling.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tia Leschke

>
> I think people leave the list because of the recurrent moaning about people
>instead of discussing unschooling.

*If* I leave. That will be the reason.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
**************************************************************************
It is the answers which separate us, the questions which unite us. - Janice
Levy

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/17/01 9:51:10 AM Mountain Standard Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


> Telling people (or implying) that their medical problems
> are all caused by control issues is not helpful.
>

I didn't do that.
I was quoting other sites AND included quotes that said they didn't cause but
made worse.


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[email protected]

I have been involved in the food allergy "controversy" and I have to
say that while I'm sure Sandra and I could find some things to
disagree on, I haven't minded her style one bit. As a matter of
fact, I rather like her style. Arguing issues without taking
anything personally is always a good idea. It sharpens our minds and
broadens our thinking.
Sheila


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@j...>
wrote:
> Would you please point to any specific instance where someone said
> something like. "Sandra sucks"?
> I do think you have a lot to offer. I also think your
> confrontational manner turns off many of the people you could be
> helping. Telling people (or implying) that their medical problems
> are all caused by control issues is not helpful.
>
> Bridget
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> >
> > Comments saying "Sandra Sucks" are flames (or paraphrases
> thereon). Comments
> > suggesting people leave the list and don't unschool because of me
> are flames.
> > I think people leave the list because of the recurrent moaning
> about people
> > instead of discussing unschooling.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Elizabeth Hill

Lynda wrote:

> >
> Oh really, I'd say that GOSSIP is definately not covered under the "issues
> on the table category." For example "There are tales of you on other lists"
> Now that is very junior high girls sitting around the quad backbiting
> gossipy type statement and definately not on topic about unschooling issues.

If you'd rather that YOUR personality not be discussed, then perhaps we can
stop discussing personalities and focus more on issues? Please.

Betsy

Allison Crilly

But she has personally insulted several people on this list. This all started with one woman asking for advice on tv viewing, and really needing a bit of support and reassurance, and instead got accused of being controlling and manipulative. I don't see how any of this is in any way productive or helpful or even a reasonable debate.

I have yet to read a post that says, in any remote way, that "Sandra sucks." I'm still waiting for it.

Allison
----- Original Message -----
From: sheran@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 3:25 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Digest Number 1589


I have been involved in the food allergy "controversy" and I have to
say that while I'm sure Sandra and I could find some things to
disagree on, I haven't minded her style one bit. As a matter of
fact, I rather like her style. Arguing issues without taking
anything personally is always a good idea. It sharpens our minds and
broadens our thinking.
Sheila


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Bridget" <rumpleteasermom@j...>
wrote:
> Would you please point to any specific instance where someone said
> something like. "Sandra sucks"?
> I do think you have a lot to offer. I also think your
> confrontational manner turns off many of the people you could be
> helping. Telling people (or implying) that their medical problems
> are all caused by control issues is not helpful.
>
> Bridget
>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> >
> > Comments saying "Sandra Sucks" are flames (or paraphrases
> thereon). Comments
> > suggesting people leave the list and don't unschool because of me
> are flames.
> > I think people leave the list because of the recurrent moaning
> about people
> > instead of discussing unschooling.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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[email protected]

I've just been reading and deleting and hoping this would all blow over,
but it's not happening. Shit like this is just useless, Lynda. You poist
a quote of Sandra's with no context:

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:12:47 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:

> My what a short memory we have. This would definately qualify as a
flame
> "What benefit there is to her or any of the Arab world, I can't imagine
> except that perhaps it is the joy of troublemaking"

and we're supposed to take it as poroof that Sandra flamed someone about
something. It doesn't look like a flame to me, but there's no context so
how would anyone know? Sandra said:

> > There are a few people who jump on me, by name. I'm interested in
> > information and unschooling, not individuals.

and you misinterpret that to mean she can't, then, ask or receive any
questions about individual people...The example below was a darn kind
gesture, an invitation for you to introduce yourself as a person, but all
you're interested in is fuel for your perceived battle with Sandra.

> Wrong again! This would definately come under the "individuals"
category,
> not the unschooling category, "I asked Lynda where she lived and how
> old her kids were"
>
I've been in lurkdom because of your (and Bridget's) incessant picking
and nastiness and carping. It's just not fun to be here anymore. If you
can't participate on this list with the assumption that we're here to
support each other in unschooling and that the world really isn't out to
get you, then why not just leave? What are you hoping to prove by hanging
out here and attacking Sandra?

> Need I go on. There are many, many more like these and dozens about
list
> members other than myself, folks who have either left the list or have
gone
> into lurkdom because of the attacks.

If I unsub, it will be because it just feels so cruddy with all this
nastiness here. I want it back the way it was before you joined, quite
honestly. It seems to me that you just can't see the difference between
attacking people personally and having (and sharing) strongly-felt
opinions about issues, and until you can, I wish you weren't here.

Dar
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This is sooo funny. Anyone who knows me knows that I don't give a dead
rat's patotty if folks want to talk about my "personality." Hey, be my
guest, go for it. I mean, if it came from someone whose opinion I
respected, I would take a look at what caused them to say what they were
saying. Then and only then would it bother me and to date I'm not bothered.

However, folks need to try honesty instead of lies, innuendos and gossip.
Also, those who participate in or begin such juvenile games should be
prepared for the fallout. As in don't do the whole whiney martyr trip if
you are guilty of what you accuse others of. AND, if you are going to say
something, be prepared to back it up WITH FACTS.

GOSSIP: "a person who chatters or repeats idle talk or rumors; such talk or
rumors."

RUMOR: "general talk not based on definite knowledge; mere gossip; heresay;
an unconfirmed report, story or statement."

From the Latin rumor, noise!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Hill <ecsamhill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1589


>
>
> Lynda wrote:
>
> > >
> > Oh really, I'd say that GOSSIP is definately not covered under the
"issues
> > on the table category." For example "There are tales of you on other
lists"
> > Now that is very junior high girls sitting around the quad backbiting
> > gossipy type statement and definately not on topic about unschooling
issues.
>
> If you'd rather that YOUR personality not be discussed, then perhaps we
can
> stop discussing personalities and focus more on issues? Please.
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>However, folks need to try honesty instead of lies, innuendos and gossip.
>Also, those who participate in or begin such juvenile games should be
>prepared for the fallout.

All of them.

>As in don't do the whole whiney martyr trip if
>you are guilty of what you accuse others of.

This also appears to fit both sides.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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Bridget

> "What benefit there is to her or any of the Arab world"

I was not following the mail closely when this quote went through and
I just kinda glossed over it at the time, but . . .

. . . is this an idiom of some sort? You know like "all the tea in
China" I've never heard it before, but thought it might be a local
idiom somewhere. Does anyone know?

Bridget

ps - Really, I'm not trying to stir up the rest of the conversation,
the expression just caught my eye today.

Tia Leschke

At 07:51 PM 11/21/01 +0000, you wrote:

> > "What benefit there is to her or any of the Arab world"
>
>I was not following the mail closely when this quote went through and
>I just kinda glossed over it at the time, but . . .
>
> . . . is this an idiom of some sort? You know like "all the tea in
>China" I've never heard it before, but thought it might be a local
>idiom somewhere. Does anyone know?

I remember wondering what it meant and then deciding it must be something
like, "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?", which I use
all the time.
Tia

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
Eleanor Roosevelt
*********************************************
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leschke@...
On Vancouver Island

[email protected]

> > . . . is this an idiom of some sort? You know like "all the tea in
> >China" I've never heard it before, but thought it might be a local
> >idiom somewhere. Does anyone know?
>
> I remember wondering what it meant and then deciding it must be something
> like, "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?", which I use
> all the time.
>

Yes it was basically that. What benefit to Yogi Bear or all the mammals in
North America.

But as it had to do with what I consider social vandalism, blowing things up
just to do it, with no real benefit except the joy to the vandal and any fans
thereof, without regard to the harm to others, the phrase was less cute.

"Arab" is neither a race nor a religion. It's a language group. As race
goes (which isn't far) they're caucasion. As language goes, it's an
Indo-European language, related (not descending from but related) to Sanskrit.

It's frustrating to have people misunderstand (or claim to misunderstand) my
writing here so often. I would hate to have to tone it down.

I also object to and regret that the subject is so often getting off of
unschooling and into personalities.

I will try to ask the question in another way.

What benefit is there to individuals or small groups if this list is
disrupted? Is the purpose of this list to amuse a tiny portion of its
readership? What benefit would there be to a small group of two or three
antagonists if I were to stop writing altogether, or compromise my
principles, or to start a different list?

(It's a hypothetical question; I think there would be only the small benefit
of them feeling successful in having affected something bigger than
themselves. I find that benefit in helping other people unschool. I'm
puzzled by those who seem to find their joy in stirring up turmoil for the
sake of turmoil.)

Sandra


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Bridget E Coffman

> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
Bridget Worte:
> . . . is this an idiom of some sort? You know like "all the
> tea in China" I've never heard it before, but thought it might be a
> local idiom somewhere. Does anyone know?

Sandra Answered:

> Yes it was basically that. What benefit to Yogi Bear or all the
> mammals in North America.

But that doesn't really answer my question. Was it something you pulled
out of thin air or is it a common expression in your neck of the woods.


Sandra went on to say:
>
> But as it had to do with what I consider social vandalism, blowing
things up
> just to do it, with no real benefit except the joy to the vandal and
any fans
> thereof, without regard to the harm to others, the phrase was less
cute.
>
> "Arab" is neither a race nor a religion. It's a language group. As >
race
> goes (which isn't far) they're caucasion. As language goes, it's an
> Indo-European language, related (not descending from but related) to
> Sanskrit.
>

Actually, in most dictionaries "Arab" is defined as the people living on
or coming from the Arabian Peninsula. But some do list the language
definition too. My husband considers it a slur along the lines of 'spic'
or 'dago'.


> It's frustrating to have people misunderstand (or claim to
misunderstand) my
> writing here so often. I would hate to have to tone it down.
>

Why? I went through the same thing here. I went back and looked at what
I said, how it was interpreted and have changed what I write here in some
ways. Sure, I am still misundderstood occassionally, but I can almost
predict it now. Why should you be any different? If you are being
misunderstood by more than one person (and you seem to be) maybe you
should look at why, like I did.

> I also object to and regret that the subject is so often getting off
of
> unschooling and into personalities.
>

You don't find the subject of language educational? I do. I also think
debate is an educational field too. I've often shown my kids posts from
here and let them pick apart the logic problems in them - especially some
of these threads that you think are personal.

> I will try to ask the question in another way.
>
> What benefit is there to individuals or small groups if this list is
> disrupted? Is the purpose of this list to amuse a tiny portion of its

> readership? What benefit would there be to a small group of two or
three
> antagonists if I were to stop writing altogether, or compromise my
> principles, or to start a different list?
>
> (It's a hypothetical question; I think there would be only the small
benefit
> of them feeling successful in having affected something bigger than
> themselves. I find that benefit in helping other people unschool. I'm

> puzzled by those who seem to find their joy in stirring up turmoil for
the
> sake of turmoil.)
>
> Sandra
>

Let me ask you what benefit you think there is to be gained from telling
people that they are causing their problems by exerting any parental
control? That seems to be what you advocate. It is not just me who
hears you that way. Several others have indicated that they think you
sound like you are sayiung things that you subsequently say is incorrect.
You claimed before that you want to be helpful to newcomers but your
manner is abrasive to many of them so no matter how good your information
is (and it is good), it won't always get through. I should think you
would want to learn from that, not rail against it.

I did find it humorous that both you and others accused me of
Sandra-bashing when I was speaking generically and thinking of myself.

Bridget

ps - I would have sent this off-list but having been publicly burnt last
time I tried to discuss an issue off-list, I decided not to.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost

Lynda

Do NOT ever send anything off-list. It ends up back on-list creatively
edited!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <Unschooling-dotcom@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 8:34 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Linguistic Question


>
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
> >
> Bridget Worte:
> > . . . is this an idiom of some sort? You know like "all the
> > tea in China" I've never heard it before, but thought it might be a
> > local idiom somewhere. Does anyone know?
>
> Sandra Answered:
>
> > Yes it was basically that. What benefit to Yogi Bear or all the
> > mammals in North America.
>
> But that doesn't really answer my question. Was it something you pulled
> out of thin air or is it a common expression in your neck of the woods.
>
>
> Sandra went on to say:
> >
> > But as it had to do with what I consider social vandalism, blowing
> things up
> > just to do it, with no real benefit except the joy to the vandal and
> any fans
> > thereof, without regard to the harm to others, the phrase was less
> cute.
> >
> > "Arab" is neither a race nor a religion. It's a language group. As >
> race
> > goes (which isn't far) they're caucasion. As language goes, it's an
> > Indo-European language, related (not descending from but related) to
> > Sanskrit.
> >
>
> Actually, in most dictionaries "Arab" is defined as the people living on
> or coming from the Arabian Peninsula. But some do list the language
> definition too. My husband considers it a slur along the lines of 'spic'
> or 'dago'.
>
>
> > It's frustrating to have people misunderstand (or claim to
> misunderstand) my
> > writing here so often. I would hate to have to tone it down.
> >
>
> Why? I went through the same thing here. I went back and looked at what
> I said, how it was interpreted and have changed what I write here in some
> ways. Sure, I am still misundderstood occassionally, but I can almost
> predict it now. Why should you be any different? If you are being
> misunderstood by more than one person (and you seem to be) maybe you
> should look at why, like I did.
>
> > I also object to and regret that the subject is so often getting off
> of
> > unschooling and into personalities.
> >
>
> You don't find the subject of language educational? I do. I also think
> debate is an educational field too. I've often shown my kids posts from
> here and let them pick apart the logic problems in them - especially some
> of these threads that you think are personal.
>
> > I will try to ask the question in another way.
> >
> > What benefit is there to individuals or small groups if this list is
> > disrupted? Is the purpose of this list to amuse a tiny portion of its
>
> > readership? What benefit would there be to a small group of two or
> three
> > antagonists if I were to stop writing altogether, or compromise my
> > principles, or to start a different list?
> >
> > (It's a hypothetical question; I think there would be only the small
> benefit
> > of them feeling successful in having affected something bigger than
> > themselves. I find that benefit in helping other people unschool. I'm
>
> > puzzled by those who seem to find their joy in stirring up turmoil for
> the
> > sake of turmoil.)
> >
> > Sandra
> >
>
> Let me ask you what benefit you think there is to be gained from telling
> people that they are causing their problems by exerting any parental
> control? That seems to be what you advocate. It is not just me who
> hears you that way. Several others have indicated that they think you
> sound like you are sayiung things that you subsequently say is incorrect.
> You claimed before that you want to be helpful to newcomers but your
> manner is abrasive to many of them so no matter how good your information
> is (and it is good), it won't always get through. I should think you
> would want to learn from that, not rail against it.
>
> I did find it humorous that both you and others accused me of
> Sandra-bashing when I was speaking generically and thinking of myself.
>
> Bridget
>
> ps - I would have sent this off-list but having been publicly burnt last
> time I tried to discuss an issue off-list, I decided not to.
>
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[email protected]

> -=-Do NOT ever send anything off-list. It ends up back on-list creatively
> edited!-=-
>

The one time I've returned a slur to the list that was sent to me offlist, it
was presented whole and untouched. This use of present tense with no
qualifier says literally (above, "It ends up") that it has happened more than
once, and without fail, that things are "creatively edited." For the benefit
of anyone reading who might think the quoted statement above is valid, I know
of not one incident on this list or others in which it has happened.

Sandra


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Bridget

Well, I know of at least one occurrence. Just because it didn't
involve you personally, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Bridget

PS _ I'm still wainting for an answer to my original question. Since
Sandra hasn't answered, does anyone else know if "the rest of the
Arab world" is a common idiom in some part of the country?


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> > -=-Do NOT ever send anything off-list. It ends up back on-list
creatively
> > edited!-=-
> >
>
> The one time I've returned a slur to the list that was sent to me
offlist, it
> was presented whole and untouched. This use of present tense with
no
> qualifier says literally (above, "It ends up") that it has happened
more than
> once, and without fail, that things are "creatively edited." For
the benefit
> of anyone reading who might think the quoted statement above is
valid, I know
> of not one incident on this list or others in which it has happened.
>
> Sandra
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[email protected]

In a message dated 11/23/2001 2:55:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


>

Are you talking about me Bridgett?

If you are, there was NO editing at all. . . I did not want to discuss other
people offlist, which is what you were doing by emailing me offlist to ask
questions about Sandra, and I would not dicuss it offlist with you, and said
so on the list.

If you are not talking about me, then my apologies.


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Faith Mills

Canadian street slang. Don't even realize I'm doing it half the time.

>From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Linguistic Question
>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:27:58 -0000
>
>
>PROLLY
>
>I've seen this used for PROBABLY several times now. It seems to me,
>all of the users are Canadian. Is that common up your way? Is it
>just coincidence? Am I misplacing people and it is more widespread?
>
>Bridget - the terminally curious
>

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>>PROLLY
>
>I've seen this used for PROBABLY several times now. It seems to me,
>all of the users are Canadian. Is that common up your way? Is it
>just coincidence? Am I misplacing people and it is more widespread?
>
>Bridget - the terminally curious<<


i am canadian and i have never seen this 'word' used here or even anywhere
on the net...now i will be watching for it all the time! lol


trish

Tami Labig-Duquette

We say prolly here, us not our community :) Born in Indiana raised in Texas,
lived here and there, not sure where I/we picked it up, LOL I just attribute
it to lazy fingers ( on puter) or being silly :)
Indiana Tami

From: "Faith Mills" <jcsdaughter33@...>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Linguistic Question
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:57:14 -0500




Canadian street slang. Don't even realize I'm doing it half the time.

>From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Linguistic Question
>Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:27:58 -0000
>
>
>PROLLY
>
>I've seen this used for PROBABLY several times now. It seems to me,
>all of the users are Canadian. Is that common up your way? Is it
>just coincidence? Am I misplacing people and it is more widespread?
>
>Bridget - the terminally curious
>

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rumpleteasermom

Thanks for the answer. Are there any other oddities similar that you
can think of??

Bridget


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Faith Mills" <jcsdaughter33@h...>
wrote:
>
> Canadian street slang. Don't even realize I'm doing it half the
time.
>
> >From: "rumpleteasermom" <rumpleteasermom@j...>
> >Reply-To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> >To: Unschooling-dotcom@y...
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Linguistic Question
> >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:27:58 -0000
> >
> >
> >PROLLY

Kolleen

>We say prolly here, us not our community :) Born in Indiana raised in Texas,
>lived here and there, not sure where I/we picked it up, LOL I just attribute
>it to lazy fingers ( on puter) or being silly :)
>Indiana Tami


I picked it up in a macintosh discussion group on an electronic BBS
hosted in germany. I heard the term from a german Coder.

I assumed it to be an internet easier-to-type-a-shorter-word thing.


kolleen

rumpleteasermom

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Trish <bfmum@s...> wrote:
> >>PROLLY
>
> i am canadian and i have never seen this 'word' used here or even
anywhere
> on the net...now i will be watching for it all the time! lol
>
>
> trish

Hi Trish,

I've seen it here more than once which prompted my curiousity. I am
fascinated by regional differences in the language. I suspect prolly
is a local thing but in more than one spot. Interesting.

Bridget

Shyrley

Trish wrote:

> >>PROLLY
> >
> >I've seen this used for PROBABLY several times now. It seems to me,
> >all of the users are Canadian. Is that common up your way? Is it
> >just coincidence? Am I misplacing people and it is more widespread?
> >
> >Bridget - the terminally curious<<
>
>
> i am canadian and i have never seen this 'word' used here or even
> anywhere
> on the net...now i will be watching for it all the time! lol
>
>
> trish
>

I use prolly when IM'ing ppl. It's quicker. And I'm English.

Shyrley


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