Bridget E Coffman

I'm not sure you understand the nature of the outline.
1. You don't have to follow what you turn in.
2. It does not include a day by day outline, just general idea of what
will be covered. (I have a friend who turned in the state's list of
required subjects as her outline. - you know a. english, b.mathematics,
c. health, etc.)
3. The list of teaching materials can be anything and you are not held
to it. My friend turned in a a list that said, a. library, b. museums,
c. textbooks, etc.

I'm pretty sure that that the law as it is written was a compromise. The
regs look good to the education people but they can be somewhat less than
constricting for us, the homeschoolers.

Bridget

ps - I, too, have turned in an identical notification every year for the
last 7 years. (well, I added Wyndham's name to it along the way.


>
> Using that reasoning, I could almost say that you aren't home
> educating
> because you give them your outline, list, and assessment, etc. and
> we don't
> have to do that. Also, what about people who refuse to do what your
> state
> requires and simply go underground. Are they not home educators?
>

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> I'm not sure you understand the nature of the outline.
> 1. You don't have to follow what you turn in.
> 2. It does not include a day by day outline, just general idea of
> what will be covered. (I have a friend who turned in the state's
> list of required subjects as her outline. - you know a. english,
> b.mathematics, c. health, etc.)
> 3. The list of teaching materials can be anything and you are not
> held to it. My friend turned in a a list that said, a. library, b.
> museums, c. textbooks, etc.

Just adding here..
The regulations clearly indicate that the outline and material list is
for informational purposes only. The purpose is only to show that you
have one. I spend approx. 5 mins each year, correcting dates,
printing, addressing, and mailing our notification. Our assessment is
a lunch with a friend (home ed mom and certified teacher) who fills
out a form stating the following one sentence:

"I hereby indicate that a portfolio of samples of __________________'s
work has been reviewed and that _________________________'s academic
progress for this year, 20__, is in accordance with ________________'s
abilities."

> I'm pretty sure that that the law as it is written was a compromise.
> The regs look good to the education people but they can be somewhat
> less than constricting for us, the homeschoolers.

I believe that the regs were finalized during a snow storm. I'm told
that the pro-school folks didn't brave the snow. :-)

Charter schools here are simply electronic classrooms. There is
certainly more freedom than traditional public schools but the funding
source is still tax based and the content and approval control is
still based within the school. At all levels, public, private, charter
and home ed, one can say that the parent is in control because the
parent chose that option. And yes, each level has regulation of some
kind in *most* states. I guess I don't see the level of regulation as
a determining factor. I question who's paying for your choice and who
controls the content. And again, I guess I get stuck on the legal
definition.

As for those that do not notify, they are truant and still compelled
to go to school, still students in the system as far as the law is
concerned. A dangerous place to be in Ohio these days. While I'd love
to be free of even the notification process, I hear too often of
children services and local districts flushing out truants these days.
All they need is 5 days unexcused to press charges and jail parents.
Not a risk I'm willing to take.

in peace,

Chris O'Connor

Tia Leschke

This was in response to someone else, Chris I think, who said that you
could only call yourself a homeschooler if you did it according to the law
in your state regarding official homeschoolers. I was only pointing out
that by law, she had to provide more information about her *legal*
homeschooling than I did on a public program. It seemed pretty silly that
I couldn't consider myself a homeschooler when I was doing essentially the
same as she was, just accepting some of our tax money back to benefit our kid.
Tia.


>I'm not sure you understand the nature of the outline.
>1. You don't have to follow what you turn in.
>2. It does not include a day by day outline, just general idea of what
>will be covered. (I have a friend who turned in the state's list of
>required subjects as her outline. - you know a. english, b.mathematics,
>c. health, etc.)
>3. The list of teaching materials can be anything and you are not held
>to it. My friend turned in a a list that said, a. library, b. museums,
>c. textbooks, etc.
>
>I'm pretty sure that that the law as it is written was a compromise. The
>regs look good to the education people but they can be somewhat less than
>constricting for us, the homeschoolers.
>
>Bridget
>
>ps - I, too, have turned in an identical notification every year for the
>last 7 years. (well, I added Wyndham's name to it along the way.
>
>
> >
> > Using that reasoning, I could almost say that you aren't home
> > educating
> > because you give them your outline, list, and assessment, etc. and
> > we don't
> > have to do that. Also, what about people who refuse to do what your
> > state
> > requires and simply go underground. Are they not home educators?
> >
>
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Tia Leschke leschke@...
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Tia Leschke

>At all levels, public, private, charter
>and home ed, one can say that the parent is in control because the
>parent chose that option.

No, they are in control of *where* the child learns. Certainly the parents
have no say in what is learned in regular public or private school. To me
that doesn't mean that the parent is in control.

>And yes, each level has regulation of some
>kind in *most* states. I guess I don't see the level of regulation as
>a determining factor. I question who's paying for your choice and who
>controls the content.

Ok, let's throw in another monkey wrench. In BC, *private schools* get
public funding. That ought to rot your libertarian socks. <g>

The schools that hire certified teachers and follow the BC curriculum get
half funding per student. There is another level of funding where the
school is working to meet the provincial standards and gets a smaller
percentage. And a private school can still operate without any
restrictions if they don't take funding.


>As for those that do not notify, they are truant and still compelled
>to go to school, still students in the system as far as the law is
>concerned. A dangerous place to be in Ohio these days. While I'd love
>to be free of even the notification process, I hear too often of
>children services and local districts flushing out truants these days.
>All they need is 5 days unexcused to press charges and jail parents.
>Not a risk I'm willing to take.

I wasn't saying that you should take that risk. It's just that you didn't
seem to include people who were homeschooling underground in your
definition of homeschoolers.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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