Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Patriotism, media, protesting
Bridget E Coffman
Wendy,
Have you met/talked to anyone who advocated violence in the name of
protesting today?
The only people I see harming innocent women and children are the Taliban
and our government.
Some of the time, you seem to think that protest is okay and other times
you seem to associate ALL protesters with the minority of violent
protesters in the 60's. (for the record - Wendy and I have had an
ongoing conversation elsewhere about a similar topic) I really don't
want ot disect the 60's with you, Lynda can probably do it better anyway,
but I don't think there were many in the 60's who advocated violence. I
think the media just played it up to look like there were, sort of like
the media was doing to Homeschoolers with Andrea Yates, the Idaho mom and
Thomas Lavery.
And who do think is ASKING for propaganda? I don't think I understand
you. I do think that the news sources from the UK and elsewhere are
better than ours.
Bridget
Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nonetheless.
Have you met/talked to anyone who advocated violence in the name of
protesting today?
The only people I see harming innocent women and children are the Taliban
and our government.
Some of the time, you seem to think that protest is okay and other times
you seem to associate ALL protesters with the minority of violent
protesters in the 60's. (for the record - Wendy and I have had an
ongoing conversation elsewhere about a similar topic) I really don't
want ot disect the 60's with you, Lynda can probably do it better anyway,
but I don't think there were many in the 60's who advocated violence. I
think the media just played it up to look like there were, sort of like
the media was doing to Homeschoolers with Andrea Yates, the Idaho mom and
Thomas Lavery.
And who do think is ASKING for propaganda? I don't think I understand
you. I do think that the news sources from the UK and elsewhere are
better than ours.
Bridget
> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:22:29 -0500movements.
> From: "Wendy Silver" <wew99@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1551
>
>
> Protesting is ok, but I don't think that violence in the name of
> peace, love and children is ever good.
> Any extreme fundamentalist that uses love, peace, religion, etc as an
> excuse, makes me question: are the actions in line with the
> "cause"-including some of the organizers of the sixties radical
> Disclaimer: I don't mean all of the people (myself and familyincluded)
> against the Vietnam war; however, I do think many people used thisthe
> war as an opportunity, whether involved with the "peace movement" or
> government, and some people had more of an interest in pro-longing thewar.
> Johnson made ba-zillions from a construction company owned by LadyBird,
> that furnished supplies in Vietnam . Believe and say what you willabout
> Nixon, but he was instrumental in putting an end to the war, anddidn't
> profit. Some of the laws being put into effect are making me a littlewary.
> In WW2, income tax was "temporarily" raised to 20%.propaganda,
>
> Also, it is one thing to be bombarded with sneaky, underlying
> but another to request it as many have done since September 11.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Wendy
>
Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nonetheless.
Bridget E Coffman
Well, upon rereading this . . . it is nowhere near as coherant as I
thought it was. What I am trying to say is that I don't understand what
you mean to say, not, "I don't understand you." as in the "are you
crazy?" connotation it carries when worded that way. You seem to
contradict yourself and I am truly confused and wondering what you really
mean.
Bridget
Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nonetheless.
thought it was. What I am trying to say is that I don't understand what
you mean to say, not, "I don't understand you." as in the "are you
crazy?" connotation it carries when worded that way. You seem to
contradict yourself and I am truly confused and wondering what you really
mean.
Bridget
> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:21:10 -0500^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> From: Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...>
> Subject: Re: Patriotism, media, protesting
>
> Wendy,
>
> Have you met/talked to anyone who advocated violence in the name of
> protesting today?
> The only people I see harming innocent women and children are the
> Taliban
> and our government.
> Some of the time, you seem to think that protest is okay and other
> times
> you seem to associate ALL protesters with the minority of violent
> protesters in the 60's. (for the record - Wendy and I have had an
> ongoing conversation elsewhere about a similar topic) I really
> don't
> want ot disect the 60's with you, Lynda can probably do it better
> anyway,
> but I don't think there were many in the 60's who advocated
> violence. I
> think the media just played it up to look like there were, sort of
> like
> the media was doing to Homeschoolers with Andrea Yates, the Idaho
> mom and
> Thomas Lavery.
>
> And who do think is ASKING for propaganda? I don't think I
> understand
> you. I do think that the news sources from the UK and elsewhere are
> better than ours.
>
> Bridget
>
Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nonetheless.
Lynda
Here's how the media works. I'll use a high profile case that most everyone
heard about, Patty Hearst. The media told you about a poor little rich girl
who was kidnapped and how the evil (notice that word again) SLA used her for
their own ends.
Here's the reality. Patty hung around Berkeley and was a radical sh*t
disturber from the get go. She was arrested on at least 3 occasions that I
personally know of for "intent to insite a riot." One of her more enfamous
speeches was about "make yourself available" blah, blah, blah "so your
capitalist warmongering dog parents will have to buy your safety." She
continued on to outline the plan.
Now, I went to school with Nancy Ling, later to add the last name Perry.
Nancy was quiet, comfortable, not rich, an Honor student, student body
official, and very concerned about what was happening in our world. We all
use to go down to Berkeley and hang around People's Park complaining and
protesting about what was going on. By then the 3 classes that we knew the
best (ours, the before and the one after us) numbered about 700 kids and
already over 70 of the boys we went to school with had died. We were not
happy campers.
We all knew Patty. We all hung out together. A favorite place was Jack
London Square. Patty continually talked about how to set up "kidnapping"
and how to get the borgouise (o.k., so I can't spell <g>) dogs (meaning
parents) to "cough up their blood money."
She was NOT kidnapped. She was the "brains" of the plans to kidnap folks.
There were two or three others but they never made the news. Maybe because
her father owned the news??? Her arrest records have "vanished." Those of
us who use to hang around the coffee shops were all contacted and threatened
if we said boo about what really happened.
The ONLY PEOPLE who they could positively ID as having been at the last
planning meeting were killed in a fire in LA!
What the average citizen does not realise is that most of the violence that
is attributed to radical protesters has usually been perpetrated by the
government. If you look into any group the Feebs have taken on you will
find a gun fight and a fire!
It is interesting to note that both the LA fire and the Waco fire have some
real close similarities, "they fired on us" and "we only used tear gas
cannisters."
The average citizen needs to know that the Feebs give seminars to local
police departments that supposedly are to show how to dismantle pipe bombs.
There was one held here at College of the Redwoods. Shortly thereafter Judi
Berry was injured and ultimately died from injuries received from a pipe
bomb. There was another seminar held shortly before a vehicle that belonged
to AIM activists blew up from a pipe bomb.
The average citizen needs to know that the Feebs train groups and
individuals to infilitrate organizations and to do violent acts in the name
of the organization they want to look bad.
Take Alcatraz for instance. There was NO damage done to any building except
for some grafitti on the front of the building declaring it Indian land.
ALL the media and all the polls were in favor of the island being given back
to the Indians as the law dictates (any abandoned federal land belongs be
rights to any local tribe that applies for it). The Feebs and government
were getting hundreds of calls and letters each day telling them to back off
and follow the law and give back the land. A group of 3 white men brought
over a boat with food. They supposedly were supporters of the effort. Two
nights later there were fires in the buildings and a major fire. The next
day the three men left and their names turned out to be phoney. The press
were fed some inflamatory information saying the Indians had deliberately
set fire to the building which was considered to be of historical
significance (by who no one could ever figure out) as a way of thumbing
their noses at the white community.
Take the protests in Seattle. All you read about or saw on television was
the group that were breaking up windows and stealing things. Those folks
were NOT part of the protestors. They were a group that has Feeb ties that
routinely show up to cause violence so that the average citizen will
correlate the protest with violence.
The list goes on but I'll shut up now <g>
Lynda, who is sure she just heard a big sigh of relief <g>
heard about, Patty Hearst. The media told you about a poor little rich girl
who was kidnapped and how the evil (notice that word again) SLA used her for
their own ends.
Here's the reality. Patty hung around Berkeley and was a radical sh*t
disturber from the get go. She was arrested on at least 3 occasions that I
personally know of for "intent to insite a riot." One of her more enfamous
speeches was about "make yourself available" blah, blah, blah "so your
capitalist warmongering dog parents will have to buy your safety." She
continued on to outline the plan.
Now, I went to school with Nancy Ling, later to add the last name Perry.
Nancy was quiet, comfortable, not rich, an Honor student, student body
official, and very concerned about what was happening in our world. We all
use to go down to Berkeley and hang around People's Park complaining and
protesting about what was going on. By then the 3 classes that we knew the
best (ours, the before and the one after us) numbered about 700 kids and
already over 70 of the boys we went to school with had died. We were not
happy campers.
We all knew Patty. We all hung out together. A favorite place was Jack
London Square. Patty continually talked about how to set up "kidnapping"
and how to get the borgouise (o.k., so I can't spell <g>) dogs (meaning
parents) to "cough up their blood money."
She was NOT kidnapped. She was the "brains" of the plans to kidnap folks.
There were two or three others but they never made the news. Maybe because
her father owned the news??? Her arrest records have "vanished." Those of
us who use to hang around the coffee shops were all contacted and threatened
if we said boo about what really happened.
The ONLY PEOPLE who they could positively ID as having been at the last
planning meeting were killed in a fire in LA!
What the average citizen does not realise is that most of the violence that
is attributed to radical protesters has usually been perpetrated by the
government. If you look into any group the Feebs have taken on you will
find a gun fight and a fire!
It is interesting to note that both the LA fire and the Waco fire have some
real close similarities, "they fired on us" and "we only used tear gas
cannisters."
The average citizen needs to know that the Feebs give seminars to local
police departments that supposedly are to show how to dismantle pipe bombs.
There was one held here at College of the Redwoods. Shortly thereafter Judi
Berry was injured and ultimately died from injuries received from a pipe
bomb. There was another seminar held shortly before a vehicle that belonged
to AIM activists blew up from a pipe bomb.
The average citizen needs to know that the Feebs train groups and
individuals to infilitrate organizations and to do violent acts in the name
of the organization they want to look bad.
Take Alcatraz for instance. There was NO damage done to any building except
for some grafitti on the front of the building declaring it Indian land.
ALL the media and all the polls were in favor of the island being given back
to the Indians as the law dictates (any abandoned federal land belongs be
rights to any local tribe that applies for it). The Feebs and government
were getting hundreds of calls and letters each day telling them to back off
and follow the law and give back the land. A group of 3 white men brought
over a boat with food. They supposedly were supporters of the effort. Two
nights later there were fires in the buildings and a major fire. The next
day the three men left and their names turned out to be phoney. The press
were fed some inflamatory information saying the Indians had deliberately
set fire to the building which was considered to be of historical
significance (by who no one could ever figure out) as a way of thumbing
their noses at the white community.
Take the protests in Seattle. All you read about or saw on television was
the group that were breaking up windows and stealing things. Those folks
were NOT part of the protestors. They were a group that has Feeb ties that
routinely show up to cause violence so that the average citizen will
correlate the protest with violence.
The list goes on but I'll shut up now <g>
Lynda, who is sure she just heard a big sigh of relief <g>
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Patriotism, media, protesting
> Wendy,
>
> Have you met/talked to anyone who advocated violence in the name of
> protesting today?
> The only people I see harming innocent women and children are the Taliban
> and our government.
> Some of the time, you seem to think that protest is okay and other times
> you seem to associate ALL protesters with the minority of violent
> protesters in the 60's. (for the record - Wendy and I have had an
> ongoing conversation elsewhere about a similar topic) I really don't
> want ot disect the 60's with you, Lynda can probably do it better anyway,
> but I don't think there were many in the 60's who advocated violence. I
> think the media just played it up to look like there were, sort of like
> the media was doing to Homeschoolers with Andrea Yates, the Idaho mom and
> Thomas Lavery.
>
> And who do think is ASKING for propaganda? I don't think I understand
> you. I do think that the news sources from the UK and elsewhere are
> better than ours.
>
> Bridget
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:22:29 -0500
> > From: "Wendy Silver" <wew99@...>
> > Subject: Re: Digest Number 1551
> >
> >
> > Protesting is ok, but I don't think that violence in the name of
> > peace, love and children is ever good.
> > Any extreme fundamentalist that uses love, peace, religion, etc as an
> > excuse, makes me question: are the actions in line with the
> > "cause"-including some of the organizers of the sixties radical
> movements.
> > Disclaimer: I don't mean all of the people (myself and family
> included)
> > against the Vietnam war; however, I do think many people used this
> > war as an opportunity, whether involved with the "peace movement" or
> the
> > government, and some people had more of an interest in pro-longing the
> war.
> > Johnson made ba-zillions from a construction company owned by Lady
> Bird,
> > that furnished supplies in Vietnam . Believe and say what you will
> about
> > Nixon, but he was instrumental in putting an end to the war, and
> didn't
> > profit. Some of the laws being put into effect are making me a little
> wary.
> > In WW2, income tax was "temporarily" raised to 20%.
> >
> > Also, it is one thing to be bombarded with sneaky, underlying
> propaganda,
> > but another to request it as many have done since September 11.
> >
> > Wendy
> >
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Tyranny of the majority is tyranny nonetheless.
>
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In a message dated 10/30/01 10:55:29 AM, crma@... writes:
<< the protests weren't usually violent - or at least not much more violence
than one would expect from having so many people in one space - UNTIL
the government became violent until trying to stop them. >>
Outside the Student Union Building at the University of New Mexico in May,
1970, there was a NON-violent protest, stopped by National Guardsmen with
bayonets. One student was skewered; didn't die. Bled on the concrete, which
sympathizers put something clear like verethane over and the bloodmarks
stayed there a long time that way.
The next fall there was teargas sprayed on campus a couple of times. A
pregnant friend opened a door to the outside and stepped right into a cloud
of teargas. She was okay, but it scared us all.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
<< the protests weren't usually violent - or at least not much more violence
than one would expect from having so many people in one space - UNTIL
the government became violent until trying to stop them. >>
Outside the Student Union Building at the University of New Mexico in May,
1970, there was a NON-violent protest, stopped by National Guardsmen with
bayonets. One student was skewered; didn't die. Bled on the concrete, which
sympathizers put something clear like verethane over and the bloodmarks
stayed there a long time that way.
The next fall there was teargas sprayed on campus a couple of times. A
pregnant friend opened a door to the outside and stepped right into a cloud
of teargas. She was okay, but it scared us all.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Tia Leschke
>I'm not surprised at any of what you have posted here. My step-daughter
>Take the protests in Seattle. All you read about or saw on television was
>the group that were breaking up windows and stealing things. Those folks
>were NOT part of the protestors. They were a group that has Feeb ties that
>routinely show up to cause violence so that the average citizen will
>correlate the protest with violence.
and her mother were in Seattle. They wouldn't have known just who the
violent ones were, but they were clear that it wasn't the protesters. Most
of the violence in Seattle was caused by the police. Same with Quebec City
and Genoa. A friend of my step-daughter's was in Genoa. The police came
to the place where she and others were sleeping and beat the tar out of
them. Then they confiscated all her belongings and deported her. She had
not participated in any violence.
>The list goes on but I'll shut up now <g>Not from me, I'm happy to see some of this stuff get out, even on a
>
>Lynda, who is sure she just heard a big sigh of relief <g>
small-scale basis such as this group.
Tia
Tia Leschke leschke@...
On Vancouver Island
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