Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1544
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In a message dated 10/23/01 6:12:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< and being aware of what's going on around you becomes
natural, not paranoia. I've been married to a firefighter and
paramedic for 17 years now so that has a lot to do with it. He is
constantly surprised by how few people know where basic documents are
kept when they have simple fires or emergency health issues. It is
not a panic response to want to have your life in some order, just in
case, especially when you have children.
kids and dogs tend to require that.:o) also a larger one in the house. we
also have a fire safe box for important papers. I think when your parents do
this it rubs off. Dh and I are in no way organized but these things are in
order. Just as a matter of course. We are both avid outdoor people and kits
are a part of survival should something happen. Esp. when you live where
evening temps drop 30 -40 some degrees.
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< and being aware of what's going on around you becomes
natural, not paranoia. I've been married to a firefighter and
paramedic for 17 years now so that has a lot to do with it. He is
constantly surprised by how few people know where basic documents are
kept when they have simple fires or emergency health issues. It is
not a panic response to want to have your life in some order, just in
case, especially when you have children.
>>We keep first aid kits in the car also.
kids and dogs tend to require that.:o) also a larger one in the house. we
also have a fire safe box for important papers. I think when your parents do
this it rubs off. Dh and I are in no way organized but these things are in
order. Just as a matter of course. We are both avid outdoor people and kits
are a part of survival should something happen. Esp. when you live where
evening temps drop 30 -40 some degrees.
NICKI~
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/23/01 6:12:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I agree with whoever wrote about going on with our lives.
alone? My trip to Phila. takes 12 hours. It is hell,the last time I swore i
would never do it alone again. Now it will be at least 15 hours. They may not
have let you check in until 2 hours but you are told to be there 3 hours
ahead.For me it is too much to deal w/. Also if something did happen I have
an incredibly sensitive child who would never get on a plane again. Also in
my grocery store I doubt I will see another being subdued. Small town living.
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< I agree with whoever wrote about going on with our lives.
>>I do too but are you traveling w/ an intense highly spirited 5 year old
alone? My trip to Phila. takes 12 hours. It is hell,the last time I swore i
would never do it alone again. Now it will be at least 15 hours. They may not
have let you check in until 2 hours but you are told to be there 3 hours
ahead.For me it is too much to deal w/. Also if something did happen I have
an incredibly sensitive child who would never get on a plane again. Also in
my grocery store I doubt I will see another being subdued. Small town living.
NICKI~
Julie Stauffer
<<But w/ a 5year old I can't imagine being on a plane where they subdued
another passenger>>
But those cases had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. Just poor
mentally disturbed people. That could happen anywhere, at any time.
And I have 5 kids under 11 yo, and still refuse to be restricted in my
activities.
Julie
another passenger>>
But those cases had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. Just poor
mentally disturbed people. That could happen anywhere, at any time.
And I have 5 kids under 11 yo, and still refuse to be restricted in my
activities.
Julie
Joseph Fuerst
Chris,
So do you mind explaining why you think little of the ARC? Just
curious.....having worked for several non-profits, I realize people with
experience may have knowledge about 'how things *really* operate' as
opposed to the 'warm fuzzy' image they hope to bring up when asking for our
assistance for those in need. I think it's extremem;y important to try to
find out HOW donations are used by organizations that serve (or proclaim to)
our society.
Susan
So do you mind explaining why you think little of the ARC? Just
curious.....having worked for several non-profits, I realize people with
experience may have knowledge about 'how things *really* operate' as
opposed to the 'warm fuzzy' image they hope to bring up when asking for our
assistance for those in need. I think it's extremem;y important to try to
find out HOW donations are used by organizations that serve (or proclaim to)
our society.
Susan
> Not a fan of the Red Cross, myself. FEMA - the Federal Emergency
> Management Agency - has a full listing of ways to prepare and lists
> of supplies as well as how to assess your needs on its Community and
> Family Preparedness web page. http://www.fema.gov/pte/cfp.htm
>
Joseph Fuerst
> > Out of curiousity :) why are you not fans of the red cross?Chris,
>
> This is a generalization and is based only on my experience and that
> of my husband and his fellow firefighters in and around a large urban
> area. The Red Cross is king of paperwork and "assessment of need"
> (read: prove you need this) rather than real and direct help in times
> of need. When there's been a fire or a tornado or other disaster, we
> typically refer people to the Salvation Army. If the city cop or
> firefighters says this family needs this, that's all the SA needs to
> provide ON THE SPOT help. Conversely, the Red Cross takes hours,
> sometimes days, two to three people asking the same questions, and
> enough paperwork to choke a horse. Their overhead is tremendous and
> their staff is way too fat to get my money. Additionally, money does
> not stay locally and cannot be designated to a specific need. Many
> folks across the nation believe that they are giving to help folks in
> NY with recent Red Cross fund drives. That is not true. They are
> giving to a general fund that funds ALL of the Red Cross. Yes, that
> certainly helps NY, but that is not what all those $$ have been
> pouring in for. Check out their overhead - the portion of each dollar
> that actually goes to those in need. It was an eye opener for me a
> few years back.
>
> That's it in a nutshell. My husband wouldn't give you a dime for the
> whole organization. I'm not quite as critical but not a fan.
>
Loud opinion appreciated here! I agree strongly with your reasons for not
donating to American Red Cross. Do you think their educational information
would be tainted by this extreme bbueracracy?
I am glad to hear from someone who knows the percentage of money that goes
to actual people in need....I have similar reasons for being anti-United
Way.....actually I have MORE reasons for being anti-Untioed Way :-)
Thanks again for the input,
Suz
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Chris" T-shirts ;-)
from basic CPR up through paramedic training. He is the director of
Public Safety Services for a 5 county area here in Central Ohio in
addition to being a city firefighter and paramedic. So I asked him
what he thought. By and large, he avoids Red Cross materials in favor
of the American Heart Association and Nation Safety Council's course
materials. He is familiar with and has used the American Red Cross
materials for CPR, First Aid and Emergency Preparedness. He feels the
materials are valid and sound educationally, but the whole
bureaucracy and $$$ issue comes up again. The ARC is extremely rigid
in how courses are to be conducted, making it hard to flex the class
to meet the needs and constraints of various industries.
Additionally, each class conducted by a training center must remit a
per student payment to ARC. This is not something done by the AHA or
NSC. And its not like they need to pay for research as 95% of their
factual info comes from research conducted by the AHA. Red Cross
books are also more expensive. The reach for $$$ is evident.
For myself, I found it infuriating that scouting is very invested in
the Red Cross and refused, at first, to accept my AHA certifications
in first aid and CPR even though the Red Cross courses are based on
AHA standards.
fundraiser during United Way collection times (which get longer and
longer each year) and yet the amount of money given to our scout
council is absolutely negligible. Frustrating...
in peace,
Chris O'Connor
> Chris,LOL Suz. Well, shoot.. I was hoping to get rid of these "I hate
> Loud opinion appreciated here!
Chris" T-shirts ;-)
> I agree strongly with your reasons for not donating toMy husband is very active in emergency medical education, everything
> American Red Cross. Do you think their educational information
> would be tainted by this extreme bbueracracy?
from basic CPR up through paramedic training. He is the director of
Public Safety Services for a 5 county area here in Central Ohio in
addition to being a city firefighter and paramedic. So I asked him
what he thought. By and large, he avoids Red Cross materials in favor
of the American Heart Association and Nation Safety Council's course
materials. He is familiar with and has used the American Red Cross
materials for CPR, First Aid and Emergency Preparedness. He feels the
materials are valid and sound educationally, but the whole
bureaucracy and $$$ issue comes up again. The ARC is extremely rigid
in how courses are to be conducted, making it hard to flex the class
to meet the needs and constraints of various industries.
Additionally, each class conducted by a training center must remit a
per student payment to ARC. This is not something done by the AHA or
NSC. And its not like they need to pay for research as 95% of their
factual info comes from research conducted by the AHA. Red Cross
books are also more expensive. The reach for $$$ is evident.
For myself, I found it infuriating that scouting is very invested in
the Red Cross and refused, at first, to accept my AHA certifications
in first aid and CPR even though the Red Cross courses are based on
AHA standards.
> I am glad to hear from someone who knows the percentage of moneyI'm with you on this one! My scout troop is not permitted to
> that goes to actual people in need....I have similar reasons for
> being anti-United Way.....actually I have MORE reasons for being
> anti-Untioed Way :-)
fundraiser during United Way collection times (which get longer and
longer each year) and yet the amount of money given to our scout
council is absolutely negligible. Frustrating...
in peace,
Chris O'Connor