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On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:44:55 -0000 actullos@... writes:
> From where were the banned books featured at your library banned?
> What state are you in? This sounds like a pretty progressive event;
>
> I'm going to see if our library might give it a go...

And here I though all libraries did Banned Book Week... I dunno about
Texas. ;-)

Here's a link to info about the Week and books that have been challenged
or banned:

http://www.ala.org/bbooks/challeng.html

Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news tonight that one
elementary school here is requiring studenst to have signed permission
slips from a parent before they can check the books out from the school
library. Sheesh.

Here's the ACLU page about it, with a quiz where you can try to guess why
certain books were banned:

http://www.aclu.org/issues/freespeech/bbwind.html

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<< Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news tonight that one
elementary school here is requiring studenst to have signed permission
slips from a parent before they can check the books out from the school
library. Sheesh. >>

There was an article in The Onion (HEAVY satire) which some Christians picked
up and thought was true/real/not humor and sent it around like a panicky
chain letter DEMANDING that people all take action against this very
dangerous horror among us.
I wonder if that's part of why it's banned in Texas, because some of those
who want to control what their children read don't read very well themselves.

Sandra

apple heidi

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>

>
> There was an article in The Onion (HEAVY satire)
> which some Christians picked
> up and thought was true/real/not humor and sent it
> around like a panicky
> chain letter DEMANDING that people all take action
> against this very
> dangerous horror among us.
> I wonder if that's part of why it's banned in Texas,
> because some of those
> who want to control what their children read don't
> read very well themselves.
>
> Sandra
>
> How offensive ! How dare you !
Is that the general thought here on this list ?
There are books that we "christians" prefer that our
children do not read . So what ? They will reach an
age where they will pick what they read and do soon
enough .
Atleast we're not so caught up in the fact that they
ARE reading that it doesn't matter to us WHAT it is !
Control our children ? How about guide them until
they each the age they can make good choices for
themselves . You can't just throw them out there and
say ,"do whatever makes you feel good" . Please !


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Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it was only in
one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the dark ages.
Sharon

> << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news
> tonight that one
> elementary school here is requiring studenst to have
> signed permission
> slips from a parent before they can check the books
> out from the school
> library. Sheesh. >>


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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:05:17 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
> There was an article in The Onion (HEAVY satire) which some Christians
picked
> up and thought was true/real/not humor and sent it around like a
panicky
> chain letter DEMANDING that people all take action against this very
> dangerous horror among us.
>
I remember that. It was sent to a few lists I was on as "fact". Reader's
Digest did an article on HP and someone wrote them a letter referencing
the Onion article as "proof" that J. K Rowlings was a satanist...

> I wonder if that's part of why it's banned in Texas, because some of
those
> who want to control what their children read don't read very well
themselves.

Is it banned in Texas?

My brother loves Texas, he's military so he got to pretty much choose his
state of residency and that's the one he picked... he's hoping to go to
San Antonio soon. I find Arizona to be conservative enough....

I do think book banning is about fear. I guess I can sort of see why
people would maybe want to ban how-to information in books, like a book
about how to successfully kidnap and murder someone, or how to molest a
child and get away with it. I have a harder time understanding why
people want to ban ideas...

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
wrote:
> Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it was only in
> one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the dark ages.
> Sharon
>

The problem with this is , what ? That ELEMENTARY age children
have to have parental permission .
I wonder if that same young child can check out The Antarchist
Cookbook from that same elementary school library ? But wait ..... it
would be a crime according to you all if they couldn't , right ?

God help us all !
I'm I the only one on this list that feels this way ?
> > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news
> > tonight that one
> > elementary school here is requiring studenst to have
> > signed permission
> > slips from a parent before they can check the books
> > out from the school
> > library. Sheesh. >>
>
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Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?
Informational - ideas ? A ban is a ban , right ?

I have a harder time understanding why
> people want to ban ideas...
>
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT) apple heidi
<gunnerfunner@...> writes:
> How offensive ! How dare you !
> Is that the general thought here on this list ?
> There are books that we "christians" prefer that our
> children do not read .

Whoa, slow down and read! A satirical paper published a piece of *satire*
about the author of these books. Some Christians couldn't see that it was
*satire* and passed it on to millions of people as "fact". That has
nothing to do with controlling kids or anything, it has to do with
disseminating information without checking your sources...

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<<The problem with this is , what ? That ELEMENTARY age children have
to have parental permission I wonder if that same young
child can check out The Antarchist Cookbook from that same elementary
school library ? But wait ..... it would be a crime according to you all
if they couldn't >>

I think you mean the Anarchist Cookbook, though the ANTarchist Cookbook
could be interesting.

You know, the apples and oranges comparison of Harry Potter and the
Anarchist Cookbook is really annoying, however, if my son wanted to
check out the Anarchist Cookbook, I'd let him. Of course, we already own
three copies, one of them unexpurgated...

Rachel


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On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:02:36 -0000 gunnerfunner@... writes:

> The problem with this is , what ? That ELEMENTARY age children
> have to have parental permission .

Yes, that's the problem

> I wonder if that same young child can check out The Antarchist
> Cookbook from that same elementary school library ? But wait .....
> it would be a crime according to you all if they couldn't , right ?

Never heard of it. Sounds interesting. Antarchist isn't a word, as far
as I know. Do you mean Anarchist or Antichrist?

And juuuust out of curiousity, are you and/or your family unschooling?

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They did the signed permission slips a few years ago over Goose Bumps.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <freeform@...>
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Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books


>
>
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 04:44:55 -0000 actullos@... writes:
> > From where were the banned books featured at your library banned?
> > What state are you in? This sounds like a pretty progressive event;
> >
> > I'm going to see if our library might give it a go...
>
> And here I though all libraries did Banned Book Week... I dunno about
> Texas. ;-)
>
> Here's a link to info about the Week and books that have been challenged
> or banned:
>
> http://www.ala.org/bbooks/challeng.html
>
> Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news tonight that one
> elementary school here is requiring studenst to have signed permission
> slips from a parent before they can check the books out from the school
> library. Sheesh.
>
> Here's the ACLU page about it, with a quiz where you can try to guess why
> certain books were banned:
>
> http://www.aclu.org/issues/freespeech/bbwind.html
>
> Daron
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What exactly does HP teach kids how to do? I've tried all the spells and
none of them work...

Daron

On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:18:39 -0000 gunnerfunner@... writes:
> Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?
> Informational - ideas ? A ban is a ban , right ?
>
> I have a harder time understanding why
> > people want to ban ideas...
> >
> > Daron

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In a message dated 10/5/2001 1:26:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ravenhart@... writes:


> however, if my son wanted to
> check out the Anarchist Cookbook, I'd let him. Of course, we already own
> three copies, one of them unexpurgated...
>
> Rachel
>



LOL!!

Nance



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Lynda

It is all about control, Daron. If they can control ideas or limit ideas,
they control people.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <freeform@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books


>
>
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:05:17 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
> > There was an article in The Onion (HEAVY satire) which some Christians
> picked
> > up and thought was true/real/not humor and sent it around like a
> panicky
> > chain letter DEMANDING that people all take action against this very
> > dangerous horror among us.
> >
> I remember that. It was sent to a few lists I was on as "fact". Reader's
> Digest did an article on HP and someone wrote them a letter referencing
> the Onion article as "proof" that J. K Rowlings was a satanist...
>
> > I wonder if that's part of why it's banned in Texas, because some of
> those
> > who want to control what their children read don't read very well
> themselves.
>
> Is it banned in Texas?
>
> My brother loves Texas, he's military so he got to pretty much choose his
> state of residency and that's the one he picked... he's hoping to go to
> San Antonio soon. I find Arizona to be conservative enough....
>
> I do think book banning is about fear. I guess I can sort of see why
> people would maybe want to ban how-to information in books, like a book
> about how to successfully kidnap and murder someone, or how to molest a
> child and get away with it. I have a harder time understanding why
> people want to ban ideas...
>
> Daron
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> Control our children ? How about guide them until
> they each the age they can make good choices for
> themselves . You can't just throw them out there and
> say ,"do whatever makes you feel good" .

Do people *reach* an age when they can make good choices for themselves?
What age is that? If they don't have the opportunity to make choices,
how will they ever make good ones for themselves. If someone else is
making the choices, how is that unschooling? Why are young children
less likely to make good choices? What's wrong with feeling good?
Deb L

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<< Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?
Informational - ideas ? A ban is a ban , right ? >>

How to WHAT?

No, it is NOT a "'how to' book written in story form."

<<Is it banned in Texas?>>

Nah, I misread the Texas reference.

-=-I wonder if that's part of why it's banned in Texas,
> because some of those
> who want to control what their children read don't
> read very well themselves.
>
> Sandra
>
> How offensive ! How dare you !
Is that the general thought here on this list ?
There are books that we "christians" prefer that our
children do not read . So what ? -=-

OH... I was reading backwards and had missed this.

No, the suggestion wasn't that they preferred their children didn't read, it
was that some of them THEMSELVES didn't read very well and were
misinterpretting (out of kneejerk paranoia or prejudice or something) what
they HAD read (as in the Onion, or as in this forum today).

If you read thoughtfully and make your own decisions, you won't believe
people who tell you things like that Harry Potter is a how-to book in story
form.

-=-At least we're not so caught up in the fact that they
ARE reading that it doesn't matter to us WHAT it is !-=-

There are things in the Bible I wouldn't really want my kids reading. Lots
of Christians I knew well when I was involved there used to claim to have
read the whole Bible, but they hadn't really, because when asked about
certain things that were in there they'd blanch as though I had said the F
word. But if my kids do decide to read it I'll be willing to just talk to
them about it, and look up other people's explanations of what those
offensive passages might be considered useful for, whether it was history of
the Hebrews, or allegory, or what it might have been.

<<You can't just throw them out there and
say ,"do whatever makes you feel good" . Please !>>

No, but you don't need to throw them into a library edited and sanitized by
Christians who didn't even read the books they're responding to, just saying
"ME TOO" to some chain letter that went around by e-mail.

-=-What exactly does HP teach kids how to do? I've tried all the spells and
none of them work... -=-

You tried them!?
Just trying them will get you sent to Christian Homeschooling HELL.
And if you THOUGHT about trying them, it's as bad as if you did it.
You've commited Satanical sin in your heart.

(Or was that satirical sin?)

Sandra






Sandra

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In a message dated 10/5/01 1:32:49 PM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< Do people *reach* an age when they can make good choices for themselves? >>
What age is that? >>

"The age of accountability." Differs from person to person (although some
churches put a minimum age on it because of some kid-prejudice or other).

Interesting that fundamentalist Christians who WILL take their child's word
for their having had a personal relationship with Jesus commence in their
hearts, and who will consent to their baptism as their spiritual equal, will
still control their morals after that. Either they don't think that child
with Jesus' guidance can make good decisions (like about what book to read,
or what the effect of reading a book might be on their eternal soul), or they
don't REALLY think the child was old enough to know what he was talking about
about that born-again experience, I think.

Sandra

Lynda

Whoa, you need to slow down. Most thinking folks would not support banning
books. Just think about it. Do you want someone else telling you what you
and your family can or cannot read? I mean, there are folks that would say
the Bible should be banned because it has passages about incest and
demanding patricide.

> There are books that we "christians" prefer that our
> children do not read .

So you don't want *your* children reading whatever, then don't let them.
Simple as that but don't tell me and other folks what we or our children can
read.

>Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?

And as to Harry Potter, have you read it? I don't think so if you think it
is a book of instructions about anything.

Lynda
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books


> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
> wrote:
> > Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it was only in
> > one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the dark ages.
> > Sharon
> >
>
> The problem with this is , what ? That ELEMENTARY age children
> have to have parental permission .
> I wonder if that same young child can check out The Antarchist
> Cookbook from that same elementary school library ? But wait ..... it
> would be a crime according to you all if they couldn't , right ?
>
> God help us all !
> I'm I the only one on this list that feels this way ?
> > > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the news
> > > tonight that one
> > > elementary school here is requiring studenst to have
> > > signed permission
> > > slips from a parent before they can check the books
> > > out from the school
> > > library. Sheesh. >>
> >
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Ya know , there's just no way to even respond to you
people and if there were , I wouldn't take the time to
do it .
I'm glad I figured out what this list is really all
about and your so called "un-schooling" .


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No , I don't want people telling me what I can read or
my children , But ....... what exactly is the problem
with parental consent ? Thats what got this whole
thing whipped up in the first place , elementary age
children needing consent from a parent to check out a
certain book that may be considered "not OK" for some
. Good !
I have to go , I'm not even at home right now .
All opinions and thoughts welcome on this list .....
Yeah right !



--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> Whoa, you need to slow down. Most thinking folks
> would not support banning
> books. Just think about it. Do you want someone
> else telling you what you
> and your family can or cannot read? I mean, there
> are folks that would say
> the Bible should be banned because it has passages
> about incest and
> demanding patricide.
>
> > There are books that we "christians" prefer that
> our
> > children do not read .
>
> So you don't want *your* children reading whatever,
> then don't let them.
> Simple as that but don't tell me and other folks
> what we or our children can
> read.
>
> >Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?
>
> And as to Harry Potter, have you read it? I don't
> think so if you think it
> is a book of instructions about anything.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gunnerfunner@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:02 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
>
>
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd
> <bearspawprint@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it was
> only in
> > > one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the dark
> ages.
> > > Sharon
> > >
> >
> > The problem with this is , what ? That
> ELEMENTARY age children
> > have to have parental permission .
> > I wonder if that same young child can check out
> The Antarchist
> > Cookbook from that same elementary school library
> ? But wait ..... it
> > would be a crime according to you all if they
> couldn't , right ?
> >
> > God help us all !
> > I'm I the only one on this list that feels this
> way ?
> > > > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the
> news
> > > > tonight that one
> > > > elementary school here is requiring studenst
> to have
> > > > signed permission
> > > > slips from a parent before they can check the
> books
> > > > out from the school
> > > > library. Sheesh. >>
> > >
> > >
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Gee, guess we've been told <g>

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books


> Ya know , there's just no way to even respond to you
> people and if there were , I wouldn't take the time to
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>
>
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Actually, had you read the subject line that you responded under, and read
the original posta, it was about banned books. Sure consent forms came up
but so did Harry Porter and your response there was all about censorship.
This list is about unschooling which, IMNSHO, is all about INDIVIDUAL
choices and not designating children as a lesser species simply because they
can't vote yet!

We don't have consent forms at our local library and I have yet to see any
problem with that.

Besides which, libraries aren't babysitter services, so what would children
too young to make relatively educated choices be doing at a library without
their parents anyway? Seems to me that if they are old enough to be there
unsupervised they should be able to make their own choices.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: apple heidi <gunnerfunner@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books


> No , I don't want people telling me what I can read or
> my children , But ....... what exactly is the problem
> with parental consent ? Thats what got this whole
> thing whipped up in the first place , elementary age
> children needing consent from a parent to check out a
> certain book that may be considered "not OK" for some
> . Good !
> I have to go , I'm not even at home right now .
> All opinions and thoughts welcome on this list .....
> Yeah right !
>
>
>
> --- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> > Whoa, you need to slow down. Most thinking folks
> > would not support banning
> > books. Just think about it. Do you want someone
> > else telling you what you
> > and your family can or cannot read? I mean, there
> > are folks that would say
> > the Bible should be banned because it has passages
> > about incest and
> > demanding patricide.
> >
> > > There are books that we "christians" prefer that
> > our
> > > children do not read .
> >
> > So you don't want *your* children reading whatever,
> > then don't let them.
> > Simple as that but don't tell me and other folks
> > what we or our children can
> > read.
> >
> > >Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form ?
> >
> > And as to Harry Potter, have you read it? I don't
> > think so if you think it
> > is a book of instructions about anything.
> >
> > Lynda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gunnerfunner@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:02 AM
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
> >
> >
> > > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd
> > <bearspawprint@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it was
> > only in
> > > > one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the dark
> > ages.
> > > > Sharon
> > > >
> > >
> > > The problem with this is , what ? That
> > ELEMENTARY age children
> > > have to have parental permission .
> > > I wonder if that same young child can check out
> > The Antarchist
> > > Cookbook from that same elementary school library
> > ? But wait ..... it
> > > would be a crime according to you all if they
> > couldn't , right ?
> > >
> > > God help us all !
> > > I'm I the only one on this list that feels this
> > way ?
> > > > > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on the
> > news
> > > > > tonight that one
> > > > > elementary school here is requiring studenst
> > to have
> > > > > signed permission
> > > > > slips from a parent before they can check the
> > books
> > > > > out from the school
> > > > > library. Sheesh. >>
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Who are you people ?
Ya know what , don't answer because I don't much care
as long as you're not my neighbor .
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> Actually, had you read the subject line that you
> responded under, and read
> the original posta, it was about banned books. Sure
> consent forms came up
> but so did Harry Porter and your response there was
> all about censorship.
> This list is about unschooling which, IMNSHO, is all
> about INDIVIDUAL
> choices and not designating children as a lesser
> species simply because they
> can't vote yet!
>
> We don't have consent forms at our local library and
> I have yet to see any
> problem with that.
>
> Besides which, libraries aren't babysitter services,
> so what would children
> too young to make relatively educated choices be
> doing at a library without
> their parents anyway? Seems to me that if they are
> old enough to be there
> unsupervised they should be able to make their own
> choices.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apple heidi <gunnerfunner@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
>
>
> > No , I don't want people telling me what I can
> read or
> > my children , But ....... what exactly is the
> problem
> > with parental consent ? Thats what got this whole
> > thing whipped up in the first place , elementary
> age
> > children needing consent from a parent to check
> out a
> > certain book that may be considered "not OK" for
> some
> > . Good !
> > I have to go , I'm not even at home right now .
> > All opinions and thoughts welcome on this list
> .....
> > Yeah right !
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> > > Whoa, you need to slow down. Most thinking
> folks
> > > would not support banning
> > > books. Just think about it. Do you want
> someone
> > > else telling you what you
> > > and your family can or cannot read? I mean,
> there
> > > are folks that would say
> > > the Bible should be banned because it has
> passages
> > > about incest and
> > > demanding patricide.
> > >
> > > > There are books that we "christians" prefer
> that
> > > our
> > > > children do not read .
> > >
> > > So you don't want *your* children reading
> whatever,
> > > then don't let them.
> > > Simple as that but don't tell me and other folks
> > > what we or our children can
> > > read.
> > >
> > > >Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form
> ?
> > >
> > > And as to Harry Potter, have you read it? I
> don't
> > > think so if you think it
> > > is a book of instructions about anything.
> > >
> > > Lynda
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <gunnerfunner@...>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:02 AM
> > > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd
> > > <bearspawprint@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it
> was
> > > only in
> > > > > one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the
> dark
> > > ages.
> > > > > Sharon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem with this is , what ? That
> > > ELEMENTARY age children
> > > > have to have parental permission .
> > > > I wonder if that same young child can check
> out
> > > The Antarchist
> > > > Cookbook from that same elementary school
> library
> > > ? But wait ..... it
> > > > would be a crime according to you all if they
> > > couldn't , right ?
> > > >
> > > > God help us all !
> > > > I'm I the only one on this list that feels
> this
> > > way ?
> > > > > > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on
> the
> > > news
> > > > > > tonight that one
> > > > > > elementary school here is requiring
> studenst
> > > to have
> > > > > > signed permission
> > > > > > slips from a parent before they can check
> the
> > > books
> > > > > > out from the school
> > > > > > library. Sheesh. >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Who are you people ?
Ya know what , don't answer because I don't much care
as long as you're not my neighbor .
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> Actually, had you read the subject line that you
> responded under, and read
> the original posta, it was about banned books. Sure
> consent forms came up
> but so did Harry Porter and your response there was
> all about censorship.
> This list is about unschooling which, IMNSHO, is all
> about INDIVIDUAL
> choices and not designating children as a lesser
> species simply because they
> can't vote yet!
>
> We don't have consent forms at our local library and
> I have yet to see any
> problem with that.
>
> Besides which, libraries aren't babysitter services,
> so what would children
> too young to make relatively educated choices be
> doing at a library without
> their parents anyway? Seems to me that if they are
> old enough to be there
> unsupervised they should be able to make their own
> choices.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apple heidi <gunnerfunner@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
>
>
> > No , I don't want people telling me what I can
> read or
> > my children , But ....... what exactly is the
> problem
> > with parental consent ? Thats what got this whole
> > thing whipped up in the first place , elementary
> age
> > children needing consent from a parent to check
> out a
> > certain book that may be considered "not OK" for
> some
> > . Good !
> > I have to go , I'm not even at home right now .
> > All opinions and thoughts welcome on this list
> .....
> > Yeah right !
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> > > Whoa, you need to slow down. Most thinking
> folks
> > > would not support banning
> > > books. Just think about it. Do you want
> someone
> > > else telling you what you
> > > and your family can or cannot read? I mean,
> there
> > > are folks that would say
> > > the Bible should be banned because it has
> passages
> > > about incest and
> > > demanding patricide.
> > >
> > > > There are books that we "christians" prefer
> that
> > > our
> > > > children do not read .
> > >
> > > So you don't want *your* children reading
> whatever,
> > > then don't let them.
> > > Simple as that but don't tell me and other folks
> > > what we or our children can
> > > read.
> > >
> > > >Is HP not a "how to" book written in story form
> ?
> > >
> > > And as to Harry Potter, have you read it? I
> don't
> > > think so if you think it
> > > is a book of instructions about anything.
> > >
> > > Lynda
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <gunnerfunner@...>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:02 AM
> > > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Banned Books
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Sharon Rudd
> > > <bearspawprint@y...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Good Grief! thaks national? I thought it
> was
> > > only in
> > > > > one county, in Fla. Amazing. Back to the
> dark
> > > ages.
> > > > > Sharon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The problem with this is , what ? That
> > > ELEMENTARY age children
> > > > have to have parental permission .
> > > > I wonder if that same young child can check
> out
> > > The Antarchist
> > > > Cookbook from that same elementary school
> library
> > > ? But wait ..... it
> > > > would be a crime according to you all if they
> > > couldn't , right ?
> > > >
> > > > God help us all !
> > > > I'm I the only one on this list that feels
> this
> > > way ?
> > > > > > << Harry Potter is #1, of course. I saw on
> the
> > > news
> > > > > > tonight that one
> > > > > > elementary school here is requiring
> studenst
> > > to have
> > > > > > signed permission
> > > > > > slips from a parent before they can check
> the
> > > books
> > > > > > out from the school
> > > > > > library. Sheesh. >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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In a message dated 10/5/01 5:45:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
gunnerfunner@... writes:


> Who are you people ?
> Ya know what , don't answer because I don't much care
>

DOH!!
We're your neighbors!!!

There are more of us in the country than there are fundamentalist Christians
who are afraid of Harry Potter books!

Sandra
who often pussy-foots around Christians out of courtesy, but this was too in
my face for a fine October 5, 2001

AND... whose children have opted NOT to read Harry Potter nor to have it read
to them, but whose mother has read all four of them AND the Bible and can
therefor claim king-of-the-philosophical hill until midnight tonight.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Diane

AAaaaaaccckkkk! Library!?!:? I thought the permission was for *school*
libraries, which *are* baby sitters, and where no one is old enough to make
their own choices.

:-) Diane

Lynda wrote:

> We don't have consent forms at our local library and I have yet to see any
> problem with that.
>
> Besides which, libraries aren't babysitter services, so what would children
> too young to make relatively educated choices be doing at a library without
> their parents anyway? Seems to me that if they are old enough to be there
> unsupervised they should be able to make their own choices.

Tia Leschke

>Thats what got this whole
>thing whipped up in the first place , elementary age
>children needing consent from a parent to check out a
>certain book that may be considered "not OK" for some

If parents feel that strongly about not wanting their children to read
something, maybe *they* should be the ones to sign a non-consent form for
their children, rather than the other way around. Why give all children
the idea that there's something wrong with the book, just because some
people think there is? (Unless they actually *want* their kids to read it,
which is generally the effect of banning a book. <g>)

>. Good !
> I have to go , I'm not even at home right now .
>All opinions and thoughts welcome on this list .....
>Yeah right !

Yeah they are. And the people who disagree with those opinions and
thoughts are welcome to do that as well. You want a list where everyone
will agree with you? You're right. It won't be this one.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
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Tia Leschke

>
>Besides which, libraries aren't babysitter services, so what would children
>too young to make relatively educated choices be doing at a library without
>their parents anyway? Seems to me that if they are old enough to be there
>unsupervised they should be able to make their own choices.

Actually I think the original post about libraries referred to a school
library, so the kids would be there without their parents. But I still say
the parents who don't want their kids reading something should be the ones
to sign forms, if any, rather than the other way around. And I do find it
hard to understand people who would refuse to let their children read a
book based on someone else's opinion of it. Have they no discernment of
their own? Can they not think for themselves?
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
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Tia Leschke

At 04:43 PM 10/5/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Who are you people ?
>Ya know what , don't answer because I don't much care
>as long as you're not my neighbor .

So why are you here?
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
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**Here's a link to info about the Week and books that have been challenged
or banned:

http://www.ala.org/bbooks/challeng.html

Harry Potter is #1, of course.**

I'm curious where you saw Harry Potter as #1? The list at ALA had it at #7?

Oops, just found it, on the year 2000 list, I was looking at the lists for
the entire decade just past, which had as I expected Huckleberry Finn, among
others, beating out Harry. I wonder if Harry has the staying power to grab
the top spot long term? <g>

The lists btw are of books most challenged, not books most banned.

Deborah in IL