Julie Stauffer

<<and the guilt will go away...>>>

Now Dawn You are a Mom. You know guilt is part of the package :)

Let's think about what Zach did today. He watched an educational video for
about an hour and half (Magic Schoolbus x 3) during which he saw different
types of dinosaurs and how they lived. He was also reinforced in the idea
that it is OK to ask questions, to make mistakes, to make connections (gotta
love Ms. Frizzle). Zach did some related Dinosaur activities (can we say
unit study, if that makes you feel better). He spent time in loving
attachment with his parents and sibling. He spent time enjoying the world
God/Goddess/Great "I Am"/Zeus gave him. He physically exercised his body.
He went on a field trip to the store, saw wondrous things like pineapple
that he might never see otherwise in a natural state, smelled fantastic
smells like fresh bread. He saw numbers in action (prices, measures) and
later spent 20 minutes utilizing math skills with Dad.

Sounds like a busy day to me. What I have discovered along the way is that
it isn't so much what we do, but how we approach it. I'm sure the grocers
hate to see us coming. Me and my 5 kids---we smell everything, touch
everything, weigh everything, talking the entire time about whatever comes
up.

It really gets easier Dawn.

Julie

Bridget E Coffman

I had one who learned that way - me trailing as I read. Two who didn't.
As long as I wasn't covering up the pictures, none of them objected to me
doing it. BUT and this is important - they all thought I was doing it to
keep my place. I didn't tell them that, they made the assumption and I
just never said anything about it one way or the other - and in some ways
they were right. If I was doing something else (or thinking about
something else) while I read, I sometimes was using it to keep my place.
I can't even say how often I did or didn't trail the finger.
I didn't say anyone had to do it though. I just said it was worth a try
since one of mine did learn from it.

Bridget


> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Reading
>
> I tried the finger pointing at the words and sounds
> thing, too. With all of the children I attempted it
> with, 100% asked me, politely, to stop. They all found
> it irritating or worse. It didn't seem to have any
> affect one way or another on later reading skills or
> when they learned to read....or when I found out they
> could read. I did it some with everybody....my four
> and others. The only consistant element was that I
> thought I should try it and nobody liked my finger in
> the book. All thought I should have that arm around
> them instead.
> Sharon
>

~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~
Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought

- Henri Bergson

Dawn

Julie: That is exactly the kind of support I wanted to hear. I know
that I am going through a certain amount of deschooling, probably
more than my son is and I'm the one that's having the hardest time
with it. I forgot to mention that Zak also got to go to Home Depot
with DH and buy a new door, rent a truck and drive back and forth and
help measure the door... I guess the more I think about the day and
that was a typical day the more I realize that he's going to be ok.
Please see my e-mail that one of my clients' sent me. On the heels
of me being ok with what I'm doing I get questioned again. Does this
kind of questioning go on forever with other people???

Dawn


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@g...> wrote:
> <<and the guilt will go away...>>>
>
> Now Dawn You are a Mom. You know guilt is part of the package :)
>
> Let's think about what Zach did today. He watched an educational
video for
> about an hour and half (Magic Schoolbus x 3) during which he saw
different
> types of dinosaurs and how they lived. He was also reinforced in
the idea
> that it is OK to ask questions, to make mistakes, to make
connections (gotta
> love Ms. Frizzle). Zach did some related Dinosaur activities (can
we say
> unit study, if that makes you feel better). He spent time in loving
> attachment with his parents and sibling. He spent time enjoying
the world
> God/Goddess/Great "I Am"/Zeus gave him. He physically exercised
his body.
> He went on a field trip to the store, saw wondrous things like
pineapple
> that he might never see otherwise in a natural state, smelled
fantastic
> smells like fresh bread. He saw numbers in action (prices,
measures) and
> later spent 20 minutes utilizing math skills with Dad.
>
> Sounds like a busy day to me. What I have discovered along the way
is that
> it isn't so much what we do, but how we approach it. I'm sure the
grocers
> hate to see us coming. Me and my 5 kids---we smell everything,
touch
> everything, weigh everything, talking the entire time about
whatever comes
> up.
>
> It really gets easier Dawn.
>
> Julie

Bridget E Coffman

> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:41:42 -0400
> From: Fetteroll <fetteroll@...>
> Subject: Re: unschooling
>

> If you mistakenly took it for a list directed at you then I'm not sure
how
> telling someone how ridiculous an idea is for your situation does
anything
> more than hold that person up to ridicule for either not knowing or
forgetting
> a fact (shades of evil teachers holding up a child's drawing to
> show how wrong it is to color apples blue when she clearly said to
color
> them red) and make someone second guess about offering any ideas at
> all.
>
> Joyce
>

Joyce,

Here is how I mistook it for a list directed at me: The post began with
" on 9/17/01 5:27 PM, Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:"
and a few lines in: "I pulled the quotes from your original message that
were being objected to." and ended with a bunch of quotes of things I had
said previously.
And the discussion came about because I was talking about Rachel wanting
to go to college and needing to get used to what will be expected there.

If you want to say it was not meant for me fine. But I think the post
speaks for itself in that regard.

Bridget

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Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought

- Henri Bergson

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Dawn" <NumoAstro@a...> wrote:
> Julie: That is exactly the kind of support I wanted to hear. I
know
> that I am going through a certain amount of deschooling, probably
> more than my son is and I'm the one that's having the hardest time
> with it. I forgot to mention that Zak also got to go to Home Depot
> with DH and buy a new door, rent a truck and drive back and forth
and
> help measure the door... I guess the more I think about the day
and
> that was a typical day the more I realize that he's going to be
ok.
> Please see my e-mail that one of my clients' sent me. On the heels
> of me being ok with what I'm doing I get questioned again. Does
this
> kind of questioning go on forever with other people???
>
> Dawn
>

He went to Home Depot too!?
I wish my son had a day like yours!! ;-)

As far as questioning. My advice is to hold out on discussing it
with others while your still in the process of figuring it all out
yourself.
I remember coming away from conversations, when we first started
unschooling, feeling very frustrated. I couldn't get across in
words, what I knew in my heart.
Well, after 2 years of unschooling and 4 years of reading about it
and discussing it on message boards, I had 2 separate conversations
this summer about my ideas and philosophies. I couldn't believe how
adept I have become at discussing it all.
I walked away from both conversations feeling very good about how I
had related to these people.
So, just give it time and don't worry about trying to convince
others. Just work on finding your own way.
My best advice. :-)
Joanna









>
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@g...>
wrote:
> > <<and the guilt will go away...>>>
> >
> > Now Dawn You are a Mom. You know guilt is part of the
package :)
> >
> > Let's think about what Zach did today. He watched an educational
> video for
> > about an hour and half (Magic Schoolbus x 3) during which he saw
> different
> > types of dinosaurs and how they lived. He was also reinforced
in
> the idea
> > that it is OK to ask questions, to make mistakes, to make
> connections (gotta
> > love Ms. Frizzle). Zach did some related Dinosaur activities
(can
> we say
> > unit study, if that makes you feel better). He spent time in
loving
> > attachment with his parents and sibling. He spent time enjoying
> the world
> > God/Goddess/Great "I Am"/Zeus gave him. He physically exercised
> his body.
> > He went on a field trip to the store, saw wondrous things like
> pineapple
> > that he might never see otherwise in a natural state, smelled
> fantastic
> > smells like fresh bread. He saw numbers in action (prices,
> measures) and
> > later spent 20 minutes utilizing math skills with Dad.
> >
> > Sounds like a busy day to me. What I have discovered along the
way
> is that
> > it isn't so much what we do, but how we approach it. I'm sure
the
> grocers
> > hate to see us coming. Me and my 5 kids---we smell everything,
> touch
> > everything, weigh everything, talking the entire time about
> whatever comes
> > up.
> >
> > It really gets easier Dawn.
> >
> > Julie

Sharon Rudd

> I didn't say anyone had to do it though. >
> Bridget

Well, actually...........

and nobody said "you said" either..........


Thanks for all the stimulating observations......

I was wondering:
Do you still consider Tourette's? The symptoms are
actually easier to deal with than addiction ......If
you would like to discuss this a little more e off
list. My intent is to make Wyndham's path a little
smoother. That is all.

Sharon

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In chapter books, I naturally put my finger on the beginning of the
line I'm reading, and move it down as I go. I have recently been
aware I'm covering up some of the rest of the page, and since my son
has asked questions of something that I haven't read yet, I realize
he sometimes reads ahead. So now I just try to read without the
finger or conciously move my arm so he can see the whole page.
Joanna

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> I had one who learned that way - me trailing as I read. Two who
didn't.
> As long as I wasn't covering up the pictures, none of them objected
to me
> doing it. BUT and this is important - they all thought I was doing
it to
> keep my place. I didn't tell them that, they made the assumption
and I
> just never said anything about it one way or the other - and in
some ways
> they were right. If I was doing something else (or thinking about
> something else) while I read, I sometimes was using it to keep my
place.
> I can't even say how often I did or didn't trail the finger.
> I didn't say anyone had to do it though. I just said it was worth
a try
> since one of mine did learn from it.
>
> Bridget
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@y...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Reading
> >
> > I tried the finger pointing at the words and sounds
> > thing, too. With all of the children I attempted it
> > with, 100% asked me, politely, to stop. They all found
> > it irritating or worse. It didn't seem to have any
> > affect one way or another on later reading skills or
> > when they learned to read....or when I found out they
> > could read. I did it some with everybody....my four
> > and others. The only consistant element was that I
> > thought I should try it and nobody liked my finger in
> > the book. All thought I should have that arm around
> > them instead.
> > Sharon
> >
>
> ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~ ~\/~
~\/~
> Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought
>
> - Henri Bergson

Dawn

Another big thanks Johanna.... It's great to hear that it comes in
time and that I don't have to "get it" all today. (LOL).

We are having a play system put in the back garden today and the kids
are watching out of the patio window, fascinated at what the guys are
doing out there.

Dawn

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Wilkinson6@m... wrote:
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Dawn" <NumoAstro@a...> wrote:
> > Julie: That is exactly the kind of support I wanted to hear. I
> know
> > that I am going through a certain amount of deschooling, probably
> > more than my son is and I'm the one that's having the hardest
time
> > with it. I forgot to mention that Zak also got to go to Home
Depot
> > with DH and buy a new door, rent a truck and drive back and forth
> and
> > help measure the door... I guess the more I think about the day
> and
> > that was a typical day the more I realize that he's going to be
> ok.
> > Please see my e-mail that one of my clients' sent me. On the
heels
> > of me being ok with what I'm doing I get questioned again. Does
> this
> > kind of questioning go on forever with other people???
> >
> > Dawn
> >
>
> He went to Home Depot too!?
> I wish my son had a day like yours!! ;-)
>
> As far as questioning. My advice is to hold out on discussing it
> with others while your still in the process of figuring it all out
> yourself.
> I remember coming away from conversations, when we first started
> unschooling, feeling very frustrated. I couldn't get across in
> words, what I knew in my heart.
> Well, after 2 years of unschooling and 4 years of reading about it
> and discussing it on message boards, I had 2 separate conversations
> this summer about my ideas and philosophies. I couldn't believe
how
> adept I have become at discussing it all.
> I walked away from both conversations feeling very good about how I
> had related to these people.
> So, just give it time and don't worry about trying to convince
> others. Just work on finding your own way.
> My best advice. :-)
> Joanna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@g...>
> wrote:
> > > <<and the guilt will go away...>>>
> > >
> > > Now Dawn You are a Mom. You know guilt is part of the
> package :)
> > >
> > > Let's think about what Zach did today. He watched an
educational
> > video for
> > > about an hour and half (Magic Schoolbus x 3) during which he
saw
> > different
> > > types of dinosaurs and how they lived. He was also reinforced
> in
> > the idea
> > > that it is OK to ask questions, to make mistakes, to make
> > connections (gotta
> > > love Ms. Frizzle). Zach did some related Dinosaur activities
> (can
> > we say
> > > unit study, if that makes you feel better). He spent time in
> loving
> > > attachment with his parents and sibling. He spent time
enjoying
> > the world
> > > God/Goddess/Great "I Am"/Zeus gave him. He physically
exercised
> > his body.
> > > He went on a field trip to the store, saw wondrous things like
> > pineapple
> > > that he might never see otherwise in a natural state, smelled
> > fantastic
> > > smells like fresh bread. He saw numbers in action (prices,
> > measures) and
> > > later spent 20 minutes utilizing math skills with Dad.
> > >
> > > Sounds like a busy day to me. What I have discovered along the
> way
> > is that
> > > it isn't so much what we do, but how we approach it. I'm sure
> the
> > grocers
> > > hate to see us coming. Me and my 5 kids---we smell everything,
> > touch
> > > everything, weigh everything, talking the entire time about
> > whatever comes
> > > up.
> > >
> > > It really gets easier Dawn.
> > >
> > > Julie

Tia Leschke

>
>
>Here is how I mistook it for a list directed at me: The post began with
>" on 9/17/01 5:27 PM, Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:"

Many people's mail readers do this automatically. It had nothing to do
with you.
Tia

Tia Leschke leschke@...
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