Sarah Carothers

PAM,
:-)
you, along with your other band of merry-makers who take the "superiority" road probably succeeded in running off that person.
I've been homeschooling for 15 years and I've been on and off these message boards for about the same length of time. It's amazing to me that the domination of the boards by a few way back when is *still* going on and, in fact, now revered by so many newbies who don't know the 'history' of how the homeschooling boards often work.
Here's an example of how it always seems to go.
Somebody wrote in message 25793 :
<I think I'll go and read some more about the beginnings of this country.
Does anyone have any suggestions about good books to read on that?

Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
MY response can be found in messageS 25798 and 25799. I recommended TWO different resources.
Now, look what Sandra had to say about them in her response:
<Earlier someone recommended *a* history series. If an unschooled child is
interested in any period of history or any incident, I think they parents
should scout around for at least five or six pieces of input--movies, videos,
historical reports (first-hand, eye-witness reports), photos or archeological
evidence--and never ever think that reading one version of something which is
the author's impression should be enough to begin to "know." It can spark an
interest, but can't constitute a body of knowledge.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ms. Superiority strikes again. Did anybody say these book recommendations were for kids and does that really matter? and does it really matter if those kids are schooled or unschooled? and did anybody say or even infer that one should stop at either of those references and shut the book, declaring them the gospel? NO. ANY person that knows squat about unschooling knows that one resource is rarely the 'end all, be all'.
Sandra has plenty of opportunities to voice her opinion here and elsewhere (HEM, for instance) and that is not so much my point as is the fact that she chooses to belittle so many other peoples' suggestions, ideas and opinions. *Perhaps* Sandra could take the position of ADDING to someone's suggestions without finding fault with the original post.
Sarah



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Sarah Carothers

PAM,
:-)
you, along with your other band of merry-makers who take the "superiority" road probably succeeded in running off that person.
I've been homeschooling for 15 years and I've been on and off these message boards for about the same length of time. It's amazing to me that the domination of the boards by a few way back when is *still* going on and, in fact, now revered by so many newbies who don't know the 'history' of how the homeschooling boards often work.
Here's an example of how it always seems to go.
Somebody wrote in message 25793 :
<I think I'll go and read some more about the beginnings of this country.
Does anyone have any suggestions about good books to read on that?

Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
MY response can be found in messageS 25798 and 25799. I recommended TWO different resources.
Now, look what Sandra had to say about them in her response:
<Earlier someone recommended *a* history series. If an unschooled child is
interested in any period of history or any incident, I think they parents
should scout around for at least five or six pieces of input--movies, videos,
historical reports (first-hand, eye-witness reports), photos or archeological
evidence--and never ever think that reading one version of something which is
the author's impression should be enough to begin to "know." It can spark an
interest, but can't constitute a body of knowledge.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ms. Superiority strikes again. Did anybody say these book recommendations were for kids and does that really matter? and does it really matter if those kids are schooled or unschooled? and did anybody say or even infer that one should stop at either of those references and shut the book, declaring them the gospel? NO. ANY person that knows squat about unschooling knows that one resource is rarely the 'end all, be all'.
Sandra has plenty of opportunities to voice her opinion here and elsewhere (HEM, for instance) and that is not so much my point as is the fact that she chooses to belittle so many other peoples' suggestions, ideas and opinions. *Perhaps* Sandra could take the position of ADDING to someone's suggestions without finding fault with the original post.
Sarah



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LisaBugg

Would you all do me, the managing editor of this site and list, a favor?
(read, the person who does the grunt work) Could you please stop talking
about individuals? Please? There's simply no reason to take every post
personally, to assume everyone means to attack in every post, or to critque
*how* someone writes.

The way to create community is by writing what is meaninful and useful to
you. It's about sharing what works, what isn't and having discussions on
how things can be better. But, in order for this to be the kind of place
where unschooling is the topic, we have to stop making targets out of
individuals.

So, please, this last week has been hard enough, without people coming from
other lists to help stir up trouble, or for people who have a bone to pick
with any one other person to spend time antgonizing the whole list.

and BTW, the list owner has had some family medical emergencies and I have
a dh on stand-by with his Reserve unit.

Tiredly yours,
Lisa

Sharon Rudd

Dear Lisa

Thankyou for all you have done.

I am sorry that you are having medical
emergencies..not fun for anyone. I hope and pray that
good health will return soon.

Thankyou to you and your husband and all reservist for
being there. My own DH would be too, but he had agent
orange related prostate cancer. As and Amtrak
locomotive engineer he'll keep on keep on.

Thankyou again. You have done much for me personally,
too. When I first was hunting for other unschoolers
or even ANY homeschoolers in my area you assisted me
via the net in a real and useful way. Your soothing
voice on the list is much appreciated, as is all the
"grunt" work that makes it possible for me to post and
read the, uhmm, stimulating exchanges here.

Sharon

--- LisaBugg <LisaBugg@...> wrote:
> Would you all do me, the managing editor of this
> site and list, a favor?
> (read, the person who does the grunt work) Could
> you please stop talking
> about individuals? Please? There's simply no
> reason to take every post
> personally, to assume everyone means to attack in
> every post, or to critque
> *how* someone writes.
>
> The way to create community is by writing what is
> meaninful and useful to
> you. It's about sharing what works, what isn't and
> having discussions on
> how things can be better. But, in order for this to
> be the kind of place
> where unschooling is the topic, we have to stop
> making targets out of
> individuals.
>
> So, please, this last week has been hard enough,
> without people coming from
> other lists to help stir up trouble, or for people
> who have a bone to pick
> with any one other person to spend time antgonizing
> the whole list.
>
> and BTW, the list owner has had some family medical
> emergencies and I have
> a dh on stand-by with his Reserve unit.
>
> Tiredly yours,
> Lisa
>
>


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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Ms. Superiority strikes again. Did anybody say these book
recommendations were for kids and does that really matter? and does
it really matter if those kids are schooled or unschooled? and did
anybody say or even infer that one should stop at either of those
references and shut the book, declaring them the gospel? NO. ANY
person that knows squat about unschooling knows that one resource is
rarely the 'end all, be all'.
> Sandra has plenty of opportunities to voice her opinion here and
elsewhere (HEM, for instance) and that is not so much my point as is
the fact that she chooses to belittle so many other peoples'
suggestions, ideas and opinions. *Perhaps* Sandra could take the
position of ADDING to someone's suggestions without finding fault
with the original post.
> Sarah
>
>

Ahhh, I see.
You feel insulted and now you are retaliating.
I think you are being a bit defensive. You are probably the only one
who read it as a slam. To me, that sounded like someone who gets
annoyed with the fact that so many people rely on one source for
their information, instead of using a variety. And your argument was
that ANYONE who unschools would already know that, so why point it
out. Not everyone reading here unschools and not everyone, I would
imagine, has ever thought about this fact before. It may have made
some people think, "oh, I do tend to feel finished in my reasearch
after reading a history book about it, maybe I should find some other
sources"
It sounded like a helpful, not hurtful post to me. People trying to
figure out things, need to hear this type of stuff. I know I did.
Joanna

Sarah Carothers

Tired Lisa wrote:
<The way to create community is by writing what is meaninful and useful to
you. It's about sharing what works, what isn't and having discussions on
how things can be better. But, in order for this to be the kind of place
where unschooling is the topic, we have to stop making targets out of
individuals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Out of respect for Helen, I will cease to defend my position relating to this list even though I feel I've been personally 'sought out'. I will go back to lurkdom and watch how this all pans out. It will be interesting to see if your request/suggestion to "... create community " is heeded by all. (and perhaps even more interesting to see what you do if it isn't)
Sarah



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Fetteroll

on 9/18/01 7:02 AM, "Sarah Carothers" <puddles@...> wrote:

> It will be interesting to see if your request/suggestion to "... create
> community " is heeded by all.

And perhaps that's the point of irritation. Some are seeing this list as an
opportunity to create a community welcome to all and some are trying to
create a community welcome to any who want to focus on unschooling.

As much as I value open, welcoming, nurturing communities, I also value
specialized communities.

If a specialized list has something that draws many diverse people, the
people who came for the specialized aspect of the list are under no
obligation to adapt the list to accomodate everyone who shows up. A Zen
Gardening list should be allowed to remain focused on a traditional view of
Zen Gardening, regardless of how many would like to change it to a general
discussion list for those who are attracted to certain aspects of Zen
Gardening.

Joyce