Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Religion
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I have a question... I'm a British born citizen that is now a naturalized
American. I'm confused about this separation of church and state.
If there is a separation of church and state why is the President going to a
Prayer/Church gathering/service this morning? Was he being paid as the
President to attend this gathering or going as a "private citizen". Why does
he say "God bless America?" So is church and state only separated here when
it's convenient for the parties involved?
I don't mind either way, having grown up in a country where the head of the
church is also the head of state. I guess I'm just a bit confused.
Any help on this would be appreciated.
Dawn
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are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."-George
Bernard Shaw
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American. I'm confused about this separation of church and state.
If there is a separation of church and state why is the President going to a
Prayer/Church gathering/service this morning? Was he being paid as the
President to attend this gathering or going as a "private citizen". Why does
he say "God bless America?" So is church and state only separated here when
it's convenient for the parties involved?
I don't mind either way, having grown up in a country where the head of the
church is also the head of state. I guess I'm just a bit confused.
Any help on this would be appreciated.
Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dawn Falbe
Personal Development Coach
Relocational Astrologer
(520) 579-2646
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
www.astrologerdawn.com
Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
"The people who get on in this world
are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."-George
Bernard Shaw
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In a message dated 09/14/2001 10:54:43 PM !!!First Boot!!!, NumoAstro@...
writes:
Nance
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writes:
> I guess I'm just a bit confused.It is not you who is confused.
>
Nance
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Pam Hartley
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free to worship as he chooses the same as any American.
He could not, under our Constitution, sign an executive order demanding that
all Americans say a prayer to Christ today.
The Presidency is a salaried position, not an hourly position, so he gets
paid whether he's in the bathroom on on the phone to your Prime Minister. He
gets paid whether he's vacationing or signing treaties. So far, I don't
think there's been a serious suspicion that any American President doesn't
earn his salary with his working hours, so if they want to take time off to
worship (and most have, I think) we Americans don't hold it against them.
Discrimination in hiring and firing based on religion is prohibited. There
is no official "national religion".
The lines aren't always cleanly drawn, but the basics are in place.
Pam
>From: [email protected]The service was multi-denominational, but even were it not, the President is
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1472
>Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001, 4:17 PM
>
> If there is a separation of church and state why is the President going to a
> Prayer/Church gathering/service this morning? Was he being paid as the
> President to attend this gathering or going as a "private citizen". Why does
> he say "God bless America?" So is church and state only separated here when
> it's convenient for the parties involved?
>
> I don't mind either way, having grown up in a country where the head of the
> church is also the head of state. I guess I'm just a bit confused.
free to worship as he chooses the same as any American.
He could not, under our Constitution, sign an executive order demanding that
all Americans say a prayer to Christ today.
The Presidency is a salaried position, not an hourly position, so he gets
paid whether he's in the bathroom on on the phone to your Prime Minister. He
gets paid whether he's vacationing or signing treaties. So far, I don't
think there's been a serious suspicion that any American President doesn't
earn his salary with his working hours, so if they want to take time off to
worship (and most have, I think) we Americans don't hold it against them.
Discrimination in hiring and firing based on religion is prohibited. There
is no official "national religion".
The lines aren't always cleanly drawn, but the basics are in place.
Pam
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In a message dated 9/14/01 4:54:41 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:
There hasn't yet been a president who wasn't Christian. It's not required,
but it's not forbidden.
The church can't make binding policies (and which church would that be? We
don't have one dominant Christian denomination, although I heard once most
Presidents have been Episcopalian or Presbyterian, but I don't know that for
sure. I think Carter and Clinton have been the only Baptists. I don't think
LBJ was Baptist. (I could be wrong). Kennedy has been the only Catholic
president.
What was Ford?
Sandra
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NumoAstro@... writes:
> If there is a separation of church and state why is the President going to aHe doesn't get paid by the hour.
> Prayer/Church gathering/service this morning? Was he being paid as the
> President to attend this gathering or going as a "private citizen". Why
> does
> he say "God bless America?"
There hasn't yet been a president who wasn't Christian. It's not required,
but it's not forbidden.
The church can't make binding policies (and which church would that be? We
don't have one dominant Christian denomination, although I heard once most
Presidents have been Episcopalian or Presbyterian, but I don't know that for
sure. I think Carter and Clinton have been the only Baptists. I don't think
LBJ was Baptist. (I could be wrong). Kennedy has been the only Catholic
president.
What was Ford?
Sandra
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David Albert
SandraDodd@... wrote:There hasn't yet been a president who wasn't Christian.
It's not required,
And, of course, that begs the question of what a Christian is. Jefferson
explicitly denied Jesus' divinity, pored scorn upon the Trinity, and considered
much of what Christians do as pagan superstitions. But he considered himself a
Christian. Adams was a Unitarian (it seems -- it's hard to be sure), but is silent
about such matters. Lincoln was an unbeliever who went to Church.
As to the early Revolutionaries, almost none of them would be acceptable members
of fundamentalist churches these days (with the exception of Patrick Henry) -- it
needs to be remembered that they all lived before the religious revivals of 1805
("The Great Awakening"), and many were more likely to be reading Thomas Paine's
"The Age of Reason" (a Quaker atheist?) than their Bibles. And Franklin? (he
liked to keep people guessing!) But in the context of their time, they certainly
wouldn't have been Moslems, or pagans, or Jews (they all knew how poorly they had
treated Haym Solomon, the financier of the Revolution), and Deism was a concept,
not a religion of the day -- so what else would they have called themselves?
David
It's not required,
And, of course, that begs the question of what a Christian is. Jefferson
explicitly denied Jesus' divinity, pored scorn upon the Trinity, and considered
much of what Christians do as pagan superstitions. But he considered himself a
Christian. Adams was a Unitarian (it seems -- it's hard to be sure), but is silent
about such matters. Lincoln was an unbeliever who went to Church.
As to the early Revolutionaries, almost none of them would be acceptable members
of fundamentalist churches these days (with the exception of Patrick Henry) -- it
needs to be remembered that they all lived before the religious revivals of 1805
("The Great Awakening"), and many were more likely to be reading Thomas Paine's
"The Age of Reason" (a Quaker atheist?) than their Bibles. And Franklin? (he
liked to keep people guessing!) But in the context of their time, they certainly
wouldn't have been Moslems, or pagans, or Jews (they all knew how poorly they had
treated Haym Solomon, the financier of the Revolution), and Deism was a concept,
not a religion of the day -- so what else would they have called themselves?
David
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In a message dated 09/15/2001 12:44:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
SandraDodd@... writes:
gets.
Nance
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> Why:) That's true. But he does lay it on a bit thick, imo. Every chance he
> > does
> > he say "God bless America?"
>
> He doesn't get paid by the hour.
>
gets.
Nance
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In a message dated 9/14/2001 8:44:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
lovemary
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> What was Ford?I thought he was Episcopalian. ??
>
>
lovemary
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Johanna SanInocencio
The government cannot enforce any religion, or deny any citizen the right to
worship. The president may call on the name of God if he so chooses, but
cannot make you do the same. Calling on the name of God is different than
enforcing a particular church's teaching. Whether you are Catholic, Baptist,
Pentecostal, Congregationalist, Episcopalian, Jewish, etc., you understand
what he means. If you are not of faith, you don't have to agree.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
worship. The president may call on the name of God if he so chooses, but
cannot make you do the same. Calling on the name of God is different than
enforcing a particular church's teaching. Whether you are Catholic, Baptist,
Pentecostal, Congregationalist, Episcopalian, Jewish, etc., you understand
what he means. If you are not of faith, you don't have to agree.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: <NumoAstro@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Religion
> I have a question... I'm a British born citizen that is now a naturalized
> American. I'm confused about this separation of church and state.
>
> If there is a separation of church and state why is the President going to
a
> Prayer/Church gathering/service this morning? Was he being paid as the
> President to attend this gathering or going as a "private citizen". Why
does
> he say "God bless America?" So is church and state only separated here
when
> it's convenient for the parties involved?
>
> I don't mind either way, having grown up in a country where the head of
the
> church is also the head of state. I guess I'm just a bit confused.
>
> Any help on this would be appreciated.
>
> Dawn
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dawn Falbe
> Personal Development Coach
> Relocational Astrologer
> (520) 579-2646
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
> www.astrologerdawn.com
> Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
>
> "The people who get on in this world
> are people who get up and look for the
> circumstances they want, and,
> if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
>
> "The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in
school."-George
> Bernard Shaw
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Renee Seawell
I have never posted anything on this board but have read hundreds on posts. I feel compelled to
say to all of you that I love each and every one of you, no matter your belief systems or
schooling "techniques". I am a Christian and stand proudly on that but NEVER will put down anyone
for their beliefs. In light of what has happened in our Nation this week, I should say that I am
disabled and "homeschool" my four children. My husband is a Major in the Reserves and is awaiting
the call to service. I just wanted to spread a little love here. I care about you all and I
think we are all here trying to do the best we know how in everything, especially for our
children.We all make mistakes, especially me.
Blessings,
Renee in Georgia
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say to all of you that I love each and every one of you, no matter your belief systems or
schooling "techniques". I am a Christian and stand proudly on that but NEVER will put down anyone
for their beliefs. In light of what has happened in our Nation this week, I should say that I am
disabled and "homeschool" my four children. My husband is a Major in the Reserves and is awaiting
the call to service. I just wanted to spread a little love here. I care about you all and I
think we are all here trying to do the best we know how in everything, especially for our
children.We all make mistakes, especially me.
Blessings,
Renee in Georgia
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In a message dated 9/15/2001 2:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Rseawell@... writes:
But I am sure I win the "most mistakes" title! :)
Good luck.
Nance
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Rseawell@... writes:
> I care about you all and IThank you. And I agree.
> think we are all here trying to do the best we know how in everything,
> especially for our children.We all make mistakes, especially me.
>
But I am sure I win the "most mistakes" title! :)
Good luck.
Nance
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Alan & Brenda Leonard
>Lutherans and Episcopalians work hard not to be freaky, though!! <g>I've seen them, they ARE my homeschool group. To them, I'm the freak.
> Some Southern Baptists would seem truly freakish to you, I'm sure, if you
> hung out with them a while and they explained what they believed and why.
(Sigh. Anybody wanna move to Germany?) I hang out with the Mormons here
because they're easier for me to take. (We've declared a truce on trying to
convert me.)
>But, as someone who takes the GospelBob, I appreciate your comment. For the record, I think virtually all
>seriously, I find much in the official statements of both denominations
>disturbing, and not historically orthodox.
Christian churches take the Gospel seriously. Others' interpretations of it
may be vastly different from yours, but that doesn't make them less serious
about the Gospel. (Or freaky <g>) Also, I have found that the official
statements of many denominations seem to bear little resemblance to what is
preached from the pulpit and believed in the pews. Ever read the
Episcopalians'? We sound so proper....heeheehee.
brenda
who just got back from church choir rehearsal with a bunch of Episcopalians
who really, in fact, were acting sorta freaky tonight! ;)
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In a message dated 1/19/2004 4:54:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
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Transubstantiation.
Kathryn
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[email protected] writes:
There is a term for the bread and wine becoming flesh and blood in Communion
but I can't recall just what that term is..
***********************
Transubstantiation.
Kathryn
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