Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1460
Julie Stauffer
<<So Julie why live in the US if you are a communist?>>
Ummm....because I'm an American citizen. I don't believe in capitalism
which is economic doesn't mean I'm against the country. I don't see how
capitalism and Christianity go together myself, and I am a follower of
Christ if not a Christian with a capital C. However, I don't support
American imperialism in general. To be honest I think that is how you end
up with the horrors of yesterday. But the biggest reason I live in the U.S.
is because my dh is the biggest yuppie, consumerism-at-its-best, capitalist
I know. Makes for very interesting dinner conversation.
I actively promote communism like I actively promote unschooling. Talking,
educating with people with whom I have personal contact. So many people
think the USSR is communism when actually an unschooling, noncoercive family
is closer to the ideal.
Julie
Ummm....because I'm an American citizen. I don't believe in capitalism
which is economic doesn't mean I'm against the country. I don't see how
capitalism and Christianity go together myself, and I am a follower of
Christ if not a Christian with a capital C. However, I don't support
American imperialism in general. To be honest I think that is how you end
up with the horrors of yesterday. But the biggest reason I live in the U.S.
is because my dh is the biggest yuppie, consumerism-at-its-best, capitalist
I know. Makes for very interesting dinner conversation.
I actively promote communism like I actively promote unschooling. Talking,
educating with people with whom I have personal contact. So many people
think the USSR is communism when actually an unschooling, noncoercive family
is closer to the ideal.
Julie
Julie Stauffer
Hey Aimee,
I had about given up hope of finding another unschooler in TX. I really do
love it, wouldn't live anywhere else (tried it and was so homesick) but you
do have to develop a thick skin and a strong sense of self.
We live just north of San Antonio in the southern Hill Country. We have
family in Amarillo and are up there quite often. Where are you?
Julie
I had about given up hope of finding another unschooler in TX. I really do
love it, wouldn't live anywhere else (tried it and was so homesick) but you
do have to develop a thick skin and a strong sense of self.
We live just north of San Antonio in the southern Hill Country. We have
family in Amarillo and are up there quite often. Where are you?
Julie
Julie Stauffer
<<I haven't felt a need to question the diagnosis>>
If we are talking experience, I have a Master's degree in Clinical Psych. I
worked for 10 years doing inpatient rehab and general psych with adolescents
and adults. I was one of the therapists involved in the big NIAAA study out
of Yale on Alcoholism treatment. There is no diagnosis of television
addiction.
Many people with OCD are compulsive about television, but that isn't the
same as being addicted to television. Not meaning to disagree with Bridget,
just wanting to clear up possible confusion.
Also in Sandra's defense, not that she needs defending by me, looking at
family dynamics is standard practice in dealing with any mental illness,
including addictions and OCD.
Julie
If we are talking experience, I have a Master's degree in Clinical Psych. I
worked for 10 years doing inpatient rehab and general psych with adolescents
and adults. I was one of the therapists involved in the big NIAAA study out
of Yale on Alcoholism treatment. There is no diagnosis of television
addiction.
Many people with OCD are compulsive about television, but that isn't the
same as being addicted to television. Not meaning to disagree with Bridget,
just wanting to clear up possible confusion.
Also in Sandra's defense, not that she needs defending by me, looking at
family dynamics is standard practice in dealing with any mental illness,
including addictions and OCD.
Julie
Lynda
Oh now this opens a door for a real discussion.
I am seriously curious, not looking for an argument, just trying to, shall
we say, wrap my brain around, as a Communist how you can believe that
Christianity and capitalism don't go together when Marx felt what religion
and capitalism did to the masses were parellel and were equally evil? I
mean, Marx believed religion was the "opium of the masses" that "should not
only be dismissed, but dismissed with scorn" and that "religion's role in
history has been to offer a divine justification for the status quo".
I remember my grandfather quoting Marx about religion not being a good thing
when he led some of the meetings his cell had.
Lynda
I am seriously curious, not looking for an argument, just trying to, shall
we say, wrap my brain around, as a Communist how you can believe that
Christianity and capitalism don't go together when Marx felt what religion
and capitalism did to the masses were parellel and were equally evil? I
mean, Marx believed religion was the "opium of the masses" that "should not
only be dismissed, but dismissed with scorn" and that "religion's role in
history has been to offer a divine justification for the status quo".
I remember my grandfather quoting Marx about religion not being a good thing
when he led some of the meetings his cell had.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1460
> <<So Julie why live in the US if you are a communist?>>
>
> Ummm....because I'm an American citizen. I don't believe in capitalism
> which is economic doesn't mean I'm against the country. I don't see how
> capitalism and Christianity go together myself, and I am a follower of
> Christ if not a Christian with a capital C. However, I don't support
> American imperialism in general. To be honest I think that is how you end
> up with the horrors of yesterday. But the biggest reason I live in the
U.S.
> is because my dh is the biggest yuppie, consumerism-at-its-best,
capitalist
> I know. Makes for very interesting dinner conversation.
>
> I actively promote communism like I actively promote unschooling.
Talking,
> educating with people with whom I have personal contact. So many people
> think the USSR is communism when actually an unschooling, noncoercive
family
> is closer to the ideal.
>
> Julie
>
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Lynda
Then you know that a layman will call something by a non-technical term, ie.
television addiction even though it is technically part the manifestation of
obsessive behavior.
And, you also know that the shrink community is no longer rushing blindly
into blaming how a person is raised, and instead is looking at the whole
person, family, physical and genetic history for answers. In fact, the
majority are taking steps to stop the stereotyping of addictive diseases.
Lynda
television addiction even though it is technically part the manifestation of
obsessive behavior.
And, you also know that the shrink community is no longer rushing blindly
into blaming how a person is raised, and instead is looking at the whole
person, family, physical and genetic history for answers. In fact, the
majority are taking steps to stop the stereotyping of addictive diseases.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Stauffer <jnjstau@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1460
> <<I haven't felt a need to question the diagnosis>>
>
> If we are talking experience, I have a Master's degree in Clinical Psych.
I
> worked for 10 years doing inpatient rehab and general psych with
adolescents
> and adults. I was one of the therapists involved in the big NIAAA study
out
> of Yale on Alcoholism treatment. There is no diagnosis of television
> addiction.
>
> Many people with OCD are compulsive about television, but that isn't the
> same as being addicted to television. Not meaning to disagree with
Bridget,
> just wanting to clear up possible confusion.
>
> Also in Sandra's defense, not that she needs defending by me, looking at
> family dynamics is standard practice in dealing with any mental illness,
> including addictions and OCD.
>
> Julie
>
>
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Bridget E Coffman
I believe that Marx was reacting to the Materialism of the Vatican and
some of the orders of monks. The higher ups had gold and fine velvets
while the minions had sackcloth and wood. Christianity does not have to
be like that. But Marx could not seperate the two.
Bridget
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:23:10 -0700 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
If electricity comes from electrons . . .
. . . does that mean that morality comes from morons?
some of the orders of monks. The higher ups had gold and fine velvets
while the minions had sackcloth and wood. Christianity does not have to
be like that. But Marx could not seperate the two.
Bridget
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:23:10 -0700 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> Oh now this opens a door for a real discussion.shall
>
> I am seriously curious, not looking for an argument, just trying to,
> we say, wrap my brain around, as a Communist how you can believe thatreligion
> Christianity and capitalism don't go together when Marx felt what
> and capitalism did to the masses were parellel and were equally evil?I
> mean, Marx believed religion was the "opium of the masses" that"should not
> only be dismissed, but dismissed with scorn" and that "religion's rolein
> history has been to offer a divine justification for the status quo".thing
>
> I remember my grandfather quoting Marx about religion not being a good
> when he led some of the meetings his cell had.~~~~~~~~~~~~ F u cn rd ths u cnt spl wrth a dm! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Lynda
>
If electricity comes from electrons . . .
. . . does that mean that morality comes from morons?
R Meyers
How many Christian communists do you know? I personally can't see how a Democrat can be a Christian either for that matter. And seeing as I see Democrats as 2 steps from Communist I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised that they live in this country. It truly sickens me to think that the men who died for this country and its freedom also died for your right to live here and promote communism........I think our forefathers would roll in their graves.
Rachel
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Rachel
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Lynda
Rachel, do you have a clue as to what communism really is or do you think of
it as the big bad red boogie man that was promoted by this government?
As to our forefather, if you mean the genocidal folks that wrote the
constitution, well, they weren't exactly squeeky clean themselves.
As to people who fought for this country, they had many political beliefs
and that included communism. Hey, and atheists! And I'll take them anyday
over those wonderful upstanding christians like Falwell, Ezzo and a few
others.
Lynda
it as the big bad red boogie man that was promoted by this government?
As to our forefather, if you mean the genocidal folks that wrote the
constitution, well, they weren't exactly squeeky clean themselves.
As to people who fought for this country, they had many political beliefs
and that included communism. Hey, and atheists! And I'll take them anyday
over those wonderful upstanding christians like Falwell, Ezzo and a few
others.
Lynda
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From: R Meyers <livinglighthouse@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1460
> How many Christian communists do you know? I personally can't see how a
Democrat can be a Christian either for that matter. And seeing as I see
Democrats as 2 steps from Communist I guess I shouldn't be all that
surprised that they live in this country. It truly sickens me to think that
the men who died for this country and its freedom also died for your right
to live here and promote communism........I think our forefathers would roll
in their graves.
> Rachel
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Hey, Julie~
I live in Denton, north of D/FW. I know a few "old-school"
unschoolers in my area (their kids are grown now), and I am slowly
gathering some similarly-minded open-hearted people around me and my
kids. I've put up flyers all over town to start an unschooling
group, with very little response. I added "eclectic homeschoolers"
to the flyer, and people are responding. While it would be nice to
have some other unschoolers in our day-to-day lives, I am most
concerned currently with my little ones having some day-time buddies
when they want them - doesn't matter too much to me whether or not
they're unschooled or homeschooled or school-schooled for that matter!
Some of my best friends live in New Braunfels. She helped start a
relaxed homeschoolers group there (or maybe in SA?), and most of its
members are unschoolers. If you want to email me off-list, I can try
to get the info on it if you're interested.
My family has a ranch in the hill country - near Marble Falls. We
don't make it down too often these days, but will probably come
through sometime this fall.
What *one* book would you recommend re. "pure" communism? I'm
curious enough to read one now. I've read several references and
blurbs about pure or real communism, and I've read rather extensively
about communal living, and my curiosity is now peaked.
Thanks, and good luck~
Aimee
I live in Denton, north of D/FW. I know a few "old-school"
unschoolers in my area (their kids are grown now), and I am slowly
gathering some similarly-minded open-hearted people around me and my
kids. I've put up flyers all over town to start an unschooling
group, with very little response. I added "eclectic homeschoolers"
to the flyer, and people are responding. While it would be nice to
have some other unschoolers in our day-to-day lives, I am most
concerned currently with my little ones having some day-time buddies
when they want them - doesn't matter too much to me whether or not
they're unschooled or homeschooled or school-schooled for that matter!
Some of my best friends live in New Braunfels. She helped start a
relaxed homeschoolers group there (or maybe in SA?), and most of its
members are unschoolers. If you want to email me off-list, I can try
to get the info on it if you're interested.
My family has a ranch in the hill country - near Marble Falls. We
don't make it down too often these days, but will probably come
through sometime this fall.
What *one* book would you recommend re. "pure" communism? I'm
curious enough to read one now. I've read several references and
blurbs about pure or real communism, and I've read rather extensively
about communal living, and my curiosity is now peaked.
Thanks, and good luck~
Aimee
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Julie Stauffer" <jnjstau@g...> wrote:
> Hey Aimee,
>
> I had about given up hope of finding another unschooler in TX. I
really do
> love it, wouldn't live anywhere else (tried it and was so homesick)
but you
> do have to develop a thick skin and a strong sense of self.
>
> We live just north of San Antonio in the southern Hill Country. We
have
> family in Amarillo and are up there quite often. Where are you?
>
> Julie
Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart
Yeah, they would. Most of our forefathers weren't Christians...
R Meyers wrote:
R Meyers wrote:
> How many Christian communists do you know? I personally can't see how[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> a Democrat can be a Christian either for that matter. And seeing as I
> see Democrats as 2 steps from Communist I guess I shouldn't be all
> that surprised that they live in this country. It truly sickens me to
> think that the men who died for this country and its freedom also died
> for your right to live here and promote communism........I think our
> forefathers would roll in their graves.
> Rachel
David Albert
Actually, I think they would be appalled most by the "socialism of the rich"
that has ruled this country since around 1870, and set up a school system so
that they could off-load their training needs, and their need to ensure a
docile, malleable workforce on to us, and so we would pay for our own
enslavement.
David
Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart wrote:
that has ruled this country since around 1870, and set up a school system so
that they could off-load their training needs, and their need to ensure a
docile, malleable workforce on to us, and so we would pay for our own
enslavement.
David
Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart wrote:
> Yeah, they would. Most of our forefathers weren't Christians...
>
> R Meyers wrote:
>
> > How many Christian communists do you know? I personally can't see how
> > a Democrat can be a Christian either for that matter. And seeing as I
> > see Democrats as 2 steps from Communist I guess I shouldn't be all
> > that surprised that they live in this country. It truly sickens me to
> > think that the men who died for this country and its freedom also died
> > for your right to live here and promote communism........I think our
> > forefathers would roll in their graves.
> > Rachel
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been remov
Johanna SanInocencio
And what do you base this on? My understanding is that of the signers of the
Declaration of Independence, out of 55 men, more than 40 were members of
their church, declared to be Christian, a few attended church regularly but
had not declared membership and only 3 or 4 were not Christian.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Declaration of Independence, out of 55 men, more than 40 were members of
their church, declared to be Christian, a few attended church regularly but
had not declared membership and only 3 or 4 were not Christian.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart" <ravenhart@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1460
> Yeah, they would. Most of our forefathers weren't Christians...
>
> R Meyers wrote:
>
> > How many Christian communists do you know? I personally can't see how
> > a Democrat can be a Christian either for that matter. And seeing as I
> > see Democrats as 2 steps from Communist I guess I shouldn't be all
> > that surprised that they live in this country. It truly sickens me to
> > think that the men who died for this country and its freedom also died
> > for your right to live here and promote communism........I think our
> > forefathers would roll in their graves.
> > Rachel
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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