autonomy
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<< This is an interesting post. I agree that there is the possibility of
doing too much. I think there is a fine line between allowing your child
autonomy over his/her education and allowing your child autonomy over
you. >>
Yesterday you used "autonomy" when you meant "freedom" and today you've used
it when you should have used "control."
Howard Gardner discusses multiple intelligences:
musical
linguistic
logical/mathematical
spatial
bodily/kinesthetic
interpersonal
intrapersonal
nature
What happens on this list is we use linguistic and logical (and
interpersonal, to an extent) to discuss all the others. It's like a little
window into a big world.
If we were playing soccer here, I'd be carrying water and guarding the
parking lot, because bodily/kinesthetic is very low level for me. If we were
doing nature, counting all the raccoons in some park, I'd be in camp making
lunch for the rest of you.
So some are disadvantaged by the linguistic-intense nature of these exchanges.
A child cannot have "autonomy" over a parent, because autonomy doesn't extend
past
the individual.
If synonyms were equal in all cases, we wouldn't have all these words in
English. Every term has its own particular meaning, limitations and
connotations.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
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doing too much. I think there is a fine line between allowing your child
autonomy over his/her education and allowing your child autonomy over
you. >>
Yesterday you used "autonomy" when you meant "freedom" and today you've used
it when you should have used "control."
Howard Gardner discusses multiple intelligences:
musical
linguistic
logical/mathematical
spatial
bodily/kinesthetic
interpersonal
intrapersonal
nature
What happens on this list is we use linguistic and logical (and
interpersonal, to an extent) to discuss all the others. It's like a little
window into a big world.
If we were playing soccer here, I'd be carrying water and guarding the
parking lot, because bodily/kinesthetic is very low level for me. If we were
doing nature, counting all the raccoons in some park, I'd be in camp making
lunch for the rest of you.
So some are disadvantaged by the linguistic-intense nature of these exchanges.
A child cannot have "autonomy" over a parent, because autonomy doesn't extend
past
the individual.
If synonyms were equal in all cases, we wouldn't have all these words in
English. Every term has its own particular meaning, limitations and
connotations.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Lynda
Now if this doesn't fall under the "once a teacher, always a teacher" what
does?
If unschooling is a way of life, it seems logical that the way a person
treats other list members would be the same way they treat/interact with
their children. So, do you lecture your children if they use a word
incorrectly? If so, by your own definition you are not an unschooler.
Lynda
does?
If unschooling is a way of life, it seems logical that the way a person
treats other list members would be the same way they treat/interact with
their children. So, do you lecture your children if they use a word
incorrectly? If so, by your own definition you are not an unschooler.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...
>
> Yesterday you used "autonomy" when you meant "freedom" and today you've
used
> it when you should have used "control."
>
> Howard Gardner discusses multiple intelligences:
> musical
> linguistic
> logical/mathematical
> spatial
> bodily/kinesthetic
> interpersonal
> intrapersonal
> nature
>
> What happens on this list is we use linguistic and logical (and
> interpersonal, to an extent) to discuss all the others. It's like a
little
> window into a big world.
>
> If we were playing soccer here, I'd be carrying water and guarding the
> parking lot, because bodily/kinesthetic is very low level for me. If we
were
> doing nature, counting all the raccoons in some park, I'd be in camp
making
> lunch for the rest of you.
>
> So some are disadvantaged by the linguistic-intense nature of these
exchanges.
>
> A child cannot have "autonomy" over a parent, because autonomy doesn't
extend
> past
> the individual.
>
> If synonyms were equal in all cases, we wouldn't have all these words in
> English. Every term has its own particular meaning, limitations and
> connotations.
>
>
> Sandra
>
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<< Now if this doesn't fall under the "once a teacher, always a teacher" what
does? >>
Nothing falls under that but gratuitous insult.
Learning through exchange of information is what this list is good for. I've
been interested in language and precision of speech since I was eight or
nine, that I remember clearly. I wasn't a teacher then. I studied English
because I loved it. College didn't teach me a love of English, and the
college of education didn't teach me how to teach. I learned that by trial
and error and experience and experiment.
But this list is a peer-help situation, as so many organizations and clubs
and temporary informal groups are. People come here to share about
unschooling. If the words that are being used aren't meaning what the writer
wants them to mean, then clarification isn't a sin. It happens all the time.
I suppose I'm glad for your sake you found something to jump on me about, but
what good does it do the list?
Sandra
does? >>
Nothing falls under that but gratuitous insult.
Learning through exchange of information is what this list is good for. I've
been interested in language and precision of speech since I was eight or
nine, that I remember clearly. I wasn't a teacher then. I studied English
because I loved it. College didn't teach me a love of English, and the
college of education didn't teach me how to teach. I learned that by trial
and error and experience and experiment.
But this list is a peer-help situation, as so many organizations and clubs
and temporary informal groups are. People come here to share about
unschooling. If the words that are being used aren't meaning what the writer
wants them to mean, then clarification isn't a sin. It happens all the time.
I suppose I'm glad for your sake you found something to jump on me about, but
what good does it do the list?
Sandra
Pam Hartley
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reading posts. Here, we are the sum of our posts instead of the sum of our
parts.
As some of you know, I was in and around the homeschooling area on AOL for
years, and the dynamic that evolved was very interesting, and educational ;)
for me, as it seems to happen in life-in-general and definitely
online-in-general.
The dynamic involves watching the dance of new people coming in, saying what
they say, and who they then gravitate toward amongst the established posters
and which established posters gravitate toward them. Part of that is
watching people align with each other only because they both dislike the
third guy, not necessarily that they like each other that well. An "enemy of
mine enemy" sort of thing.
Of course, if I had my druthers, people would argue ideas here and not
personal vendettas, and the encampment sort of behavior would end. Lynda
would stop sending posts filled with exclamation points at your head. I am
completely at a loss on how that can be accomplished.
MHO,
Pam
>From: [email protected]It's cold comfort, but it helps people with perspective, I think, when
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1447
>Date: Mon, Sep 10, 2001, 11:35 AM
>
> I suppose I'm glad for your sake you found something to jump on me about, but
> what good does it do the list?
reading posts. Here, we are the sum of our posts instead of the sum of our
parts.
As some of you know, I was in and around the homeschooling area on AOL for
years, and the dynamic that evolved was very interesting, and educational ;)
for me, as it seems to happen in life-in-general and definitely
online-in-general.
The dynamic involves watching the dance of new people coming in, saying what
they say, and who they then gravitate toward amongst the established posters
and which established posters gravitate toward them. Part of that is
watching people align with each other only because they both dislike the
third guy, not necessarily that they like each other that well. An "enemy of
mine enemy" sort of thing.
Of course, if I had my druthers, people would argue ideas here and not
personal vendettas, and the encampment sort of behavior would end. Lynda
would stop sending posts filled with exclamation points at your head. I am
completely at a loss on how that can be accomplished.
MHO,
Pam
Sharon Rudd
I do not feel that the title of Teacher is and insult.
Teacher is an honorable title and one to whom the
appelation trully applies is to be honored. A true
Teacher is a Guide, not a
kicker-in-the-butt-and-push-from-behind-sort-of-backside-observer-type-of-obnoxious-buggerhead.
Sandra the latter title does NOT fit you. I honor
you as a Teacher. Thankyou.
Sharon
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Teacher is an honorable title and one to whom the
appelation trully applies is to be honored. A true
Teacher is a Guide, not a
kicker-in-the-butt-and-push-from-behind-sort-of-backside-observer-type-of-obnoxious-buggerhead.
Sandra the latter title does NOT fit you. I honor
you as a Teacher. Thankyou.
Sharon
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
> << Now if this doesn't fall under the "once a__________________________________________________
> teacher, always a teacher" what
> does? >>
>
> Nothing falls under that but gratuitous insult.
> Sandra
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> MHO,What's MHO?
> Pam
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Lynda
A simple question, "Did you perhaps mean to use . . ." was all that was
needed, not a long lecture or English lesson. Lectures and English lessons
are great IF someone asks for them.
As to your last sentence, get over yourself, you aren't that important. I
don't pay any attention to who is posting until I finish reading and then
decide to post. I generally don't post to anything that has your name on it
or is part of a conversation that you have posted on just so you won't get
hysterical or whine that I'm picking on you.
You will, of course, notice that I used no emphasis since I wouldn't want
anyone's imagination to suddenly perceive those horrid exclamation point
arrows coming at them. You will also notice that I didn't use any <g> in
the message as I didn't want anyone to get excited and think I was being
sarcastic, either.
Lynda
needed, not a long lecture or English lesson. Lectures and English lessons
are great IF someone asks for them.
As to your last sentence, get over yourself, you aren't that important. I
don't pay any attention to who is posting until I finish reading and then
decide to post. I generally don't post to anything that has your name on it
or is part of a conversation that you have posted on just so you won't get
hysterical or whine that I'm picking on you.
You will, of course, notice that I used no emphasis since I wouldn't want
anyone's imagination to suddenly perceive those horrid exclamation point
arrows coming at them. You will also notice that I didn't use any <g> in
the message as I didn't want anyone to get excited and think I was being
sarcastic, either.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] autonomy
> << Now if this doesn't fall under the "once a teacher, always a teacher"
what
> does? >>
>
> Nothing falls under that but gratuitous insult.
>
> Learning through exchange of information is what this list is good for.
I've
> been interested in language and precision of speech since I was eight or
> nine, that I remember clearly. I wasn't a teacher then. I studied
English
> because I loved it. College didn't teach me a love of English, and the
> college of education didn't teach me how to teach. I learned that by
trial
> and error and experience and experiment.
>
> But this list is a peer-help situation, as so many organizations and clubs
> and temporary informal groups are. People come here to share about
> unschooling. If the words that are being used aren't meaning what the
writer
> wants them to mean, then clarification isn't a sin. It happens all the
time.
>
> I suppose I'm glad for your sake you found something to jump on me about,
but
> what good does it do the list?
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:06:24 -0700 Pam Hartley
<pamhartley@...> writes:
'get' me!
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
<pamhartley@...> writes:
>Lynda
> Of course, if I had my druthers, people would argue ideas here and not
> personal vendettas, and the encampment sort of behavior would end.
> would stop sending posts filled with exclamation points at your head.I am
> completely at a loss on how that can be accomplished.God, Lynda, if these people don't understand YOU they are never going to
>
> MHO,
>
> Pam
'get' me!
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Pam Hartley
----------
(In My Not So Humble Opinion). It's just a caveat that means I don't think
I'm spouting scientific fact. :)
Pam
>From: [email protected]My Humble Opinion. People also say IMHO (In My Humble Opinion) and IMNSHO
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1449
>Date: Mon, Sep 10, 2001, 2:12 PM
>
>> MHO,
>> Pam
>
> What's MHO?
(In My Not So Humble Opinion). It's just a caveat that means I don't think
I'm spouting scientific fact. :)
Pam
Elizabeth Hill
> A simple question, "Did you perhaps mean to use . . ." was all that wasI would say the same thing goes for lectures on manners!
> needed, not a long lecture or English lesson. Lectures and English lessons
> are great IF someone asks for them.
(Had to use that exclamation point!)
Betsy
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In a message dated 09/10/2001 1:50:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bearspawprint@... writes:
Kimberly U
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Lynda
Watch out, you'll get a lecture on those "arrows" <g>
Lynda
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Hill <ecsamhill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] autonomy
>
>
> > A simple question, "Did you perhaps mean to use . . ." was all that was
> > needed, not a long lecture or English lesson. Lectures and English
lessons
> > are great IF someone asks for them.
>
> I would say the same thing goes for lectures on manners!
>
> (Had to use that exclamation point!)
>
> Betsy
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