[email protected]

The reason unschoolers like to keep a clear definition of unschooling is
the same reason Christians like to keep a clear definition of
Christianity.

Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is like
saying
" I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the living
room "

Sometimes, for the sake of the people who are coming along the path
behind us, it's a good idea to clearly mark the trail.

Deb L

Bridget E Coffman

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 06:24:14 -0600 ddzimlew@... writes:

>
> Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is
like
> saying " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in
the
> living room "
>
> Sometimes, for the sake of the people who are coming along the path
> behind us, it's a good idea to clearly mark the trail.
>

So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education (anything
that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I feel
that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?

Bridget

ps - and which Christians are you speaking of? The ones who insist that
woman submit herself to her husband's control and take a literal
interpretation of the bible? Or the ones who think faith has to progress
with the times? There is no such thing as the one pure Christianity.



~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat

Janet

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education
(anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I
feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?
>
> Bridget


What I like most about this list is the wide variety of people here.
Christians and non-Christians, relaxed (or not so relaxed)
homeschoolers to the absolutely radical unschoolers. From more
tradional disciplinarians to non-coercive parents. And the whole
spectrum in between. I mostly read here, and read and read and
read. I enjoy the wide variety of opinions here. I enjoy the
TV/nintendo debate. The chore list debate. The definition of
unschooling debate. I have learned so much from everyone, whether I
agree with them or not. Some things I feel may work for my family
and I try them. Some things I don't. I am always interested in
hearing about what others do, no matter how diametrically opposed to
what I'm doing. It opens my mind up to other possibilities, other
ways to do things.

Many people here have written well thought out responses to your
posts. But it seems you don't want to hear what's being said. If
you don't agree, fine. But please take some time to consider others
points of view. I hardly think Joyce was even remotely suggesting
what was said above.

Janet

[email protected]

> > Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math "
is
> like
> > saying " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to
Satan in
> the
> > living room "
> >
> > Sometimes, for the sake of the people who are coming along the
path
> > behind us, it's a good idea to clearly mark the trail.
> >
>
> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education
(anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I
feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?
>
> Bridget


>
> ps - and which Christians are you speaking of? The ones who insist
that
> woman submit herself to her husband's control and take a literal
> interpretation of the bible? Or the ones who think faith has to
progress
> with the times? There is no such thing as the one pure
Christianity.
>
>
>
I think a better comparison with unschooling and Christianity would
be, a christian saying they were a christian, but then turning around
and saying "but I don't REALLY believe Jesus was the son of God. I
just like what he had to say." You could see this would be a problem
with most christians. To me it's the same as saying, "we're
unschoolers, but I have them do some writing and math to cover the
basics". You're not accepting and trusting in the ideal. That's
fine.
It's not unschooling though. You don't have to define yourself as an
unschooler, or anything else. I didn't for a long time and was fine
with that. I kept striving for the ideal of unschooling, which
became apparent to me by reading discussions like this. I had a
huge "ah-ha!" moment, and took the leap of faith. The difference
from then to now is so immense, that I now understand why unschoolers
want to make it clear, just what unschooling is. Everytime you "slip
back" and require learning from you children, you destroy the trust
that was building up in them. The trust that you believe in them.
The trust that they are smart enough to figure it out on their own.
The trust that you belive that their interests and ideas are whats
right for them. When I relized that simple truth, I decided never
to "slip" again, no matter how fearful I became. I haven't. I now
see the tremendous difference it has made in all our lives. What the
trust really does for my children. It's a lot of work, this letting
go of old mentalities. I'm still working.
I'm writing this to try to help explain the difference in attitude,
and why so many say, "that's not unschooling". I hope I made a
little sense.
Joanna (who doesn't really post here, but loves to read here)

R Meyers

I have to totally agree with Janet, I need to spend more time reading and less time thinking up a good response to something I disagree with. Even when I don't like what someone else says I try to learn something from it. While I started out seeing your point of view Bridget I think you may be on the defense so much after feeling like you were being attacked that now all comments are coming across that way. That happens to me.......I get my feelings hurt and then I can't see past that to see some constructive comments being made........I just see it as another attack. I hope you can stop and look at each post for what its worth. Some won't be worth anything, but others are worth their weight in gold if they make us really think about our decisions.
Rachel
----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education
(anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I
feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?
>
> Bridget


What I like most about this list is the wide variety of people here.
Christians and non-Christians, relaxed (or not so relaxed)
homeschoolers to the absolutely radical unschoolers. From more
tradional disciplinarians to non-coercive parents. And the whole
spectrum in between. I mostly read here, and read and read and
read. I enjoy the wide variety of opinions here. I enjoy the
TV/nintendo debate. The chore list debate. The definition of
unschooling debate. I have learned so much from everyone, whether I
agree with them or not. Some things I feel may work for my family
and I try them. Some things I don't. I am always interested in
hearing about what others do, no matter how diametrically opposed to
what I'm doing. It opens my mind up to other possibilities, other
ways to do things.

Many people here have written well thought out responses to your
posts. But it seems you don't want to hear what's being said. If
you don't agree, fine. But please take some time to consider others
points of view. I hardly think Joyce was even remotely suggesting
what was said above.

Janet


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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:26:36 -0400 Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@...> writes:


> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education
> (anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I
> feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?
Bridget


No Bridget.



> ps - and which Christians are you speaking of? The ones who insist
> that
> woman submit herself to her husband's control and take a literal
> interpretation of the bible? Or the ones who think faith has to
> progress
> with the times? There is no such thing as the one pure
> Christianity.


I was talking about unschooling.
Deb L

[email protected]

> I think a better comparison with unschooling and Christianity would
> be, a christian saying they were a christian, but then turning
> around
> and saying "but I don't REALLY believe Jesus was the son of God. I
> just like what he had to say." You could see this would be a
> problem
> with most christians.


MUCH better Joanna! Post more often!!
Deb L

Bridget E Coffman

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:53:26 -0000 "Janet" <jefhdvm@...> writes:
> Many people here have written well thought out responses to your
> posts. But it seems you don't want to hear what's being said. If
> you don't agree, fine. But please take some time to consider others
> points of view. I hardly think Joyce was even remotely suggesting
> what was said above.
>
> Janet

It sure sounded like it to me.

Bridget

~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/10/01 7:23:47 AM, ddzimlew@... writes:

<< Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is like
saying
" I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the living
room " >>

I think you'd have to be paying someone else to check their math homework by
mail and spanking them if they got bad grades, for it to quite be a shrine to
Satan. <bwg>




Sandra

"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd

Bridget E Coffman

You know, you might want to take your own advice just a little. I
stopped being defensive sometime early Sunday. I really don't care what
you want to call my system of running my household. What I do care about
is that if I had been someone truly in need of advice or a place to feel
comfortable, this would not have been it. I would have cut and run after
my TV post got blasted as being dishonest with my kids.
I was just pointing out that that last post about what 'unschooling' is
really sounded like 'Math is like Satan'. It would have sounded that way
to me no matter where it came from or who said it or what the history of
the conversation was.

Bridget


On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:08:38 -0700 "R Meyers"
<livinglighthouse@...> writes:
> I have to totally agree with Janet, I need to spend more time reading
> and less time thinking up a good response to something I disagree
> with. Even when I don't like what someone else says I try to learn
> something from it. While I started out seeing your point of view
> Bridget I think you may be on the defense so much after feeling like
> you were being attacked that now all comments are coming across that
> way. That happens to me.......I get my feelings hurt and then I
> can't see past that to see some constructive comments being
> made........I just see it as another attack. I hope you can stop
> and look at each post for what its worth. Some won't be worth
> anything, but others are worth their weight in gold if they make us
> really think about our decisions.
> Rachel
> ----- Original Message -----
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat

Pam Hartley

----------
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1445
>Date: Mon, Sep 10, 2001, 8:23 AM
>

>>
>> Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is
> like
>> saying " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in
> the
>> living room "
>>
>> Sometimes, for the sake of the people who are coming along the path
>> behind us, it's a good idea to clearly mark the trail.
>>
>
> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education (anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?


Before it gets too exciting:

Saying "I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math" is like saying:

"I'm a vegetarian except we eat meat every other day."
"I'm a non-coercive parent except that my kids are required to brush their
teeth."
"I'm a contemplative nun except for the nights I go to the disco."

I suppose it's too much to hope we won't have posts claiming that people
were calling you Satan. Where IS the Church Lady when we need her...

Pam

[email protected]

<< I stopped being defensive sometime early Sunday. >>

As evidenced by... what?
This is defensive:


<<You know, you might want to take your own advice just a little. I
stopped being defensive sometime early Sunday. I really don't care what
you want to call my system of running my household. What I do care about
is that if I had been someone truly in need of advice or a place to feel
comfortable, this would not have been it. I would have cut and run after
my TV post got blasted as being dishonest with my kids.
I was just pointing out that that last post about what 'unschooling' is
really sounded like 'Math is like Satan'. It would have sounded that way
to me no matter where it came from or who said it or what the history of
the conversation was.

<<Bridget>>


Again, people are trying to do you a favor.
Again, you're doing WAY more writing than reading.
Again, you don't think you NEED any of our "favors."

Again: Why are you here then?
I'm not saying you shouldn't be here (although I have no doubt you will love
to interpret it that way). I'm asking what you hoped to gain from this list
besides possibly the joy of antagonism.

Sandra

Wendy Silver

Hi,
I cannot agree with the Christian/unschooling comparison. For me, my
version of Christian is very clear, but to the many people I know that
consider themselves good Christians, I wouldn't be considered as good as
they are.
My idea of a good Christian is to follow Jesus' example and learn from his
teachings- not actually worship him and secretly condemn those who don't.
Most of the people he ran with were "devilish". Also, people can learn the
same message he taught other ways, because the knowledge is out there, and
one doesn't have to be Christian to understand it.
Wendy

[email protected]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:37:37 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
> I think you'd have to be paying someone else to check their math
> homework by
> mail and spanking them if they got bad grades, for it to quite be a
> shrine to
> Satan. <bwg >

> Sandra

AGREED! = P
Deb L

Lynda

Well, see this is why I thought you were irritated at me <g> The post about
how some posts effect me (reminding me of ps) followed a post in which you
lit into someone else and it "felt" like you had brought the same feelings
into the post to me.

I guess the sooner they make post-a-vision (the kidlets' name for the
computer of the future where you see and interact with the other poster) a
reality (defined as affordable for most folks), the sooner we will all see
that what comes across in the written word is not necessarily how the poster
was feeling when they wrote it!

Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden and then we are off
to the mall so the kidlets can spend their paycheck. Hope everyone else has
a nice day.
----- Original Message -----
From: R Meyers <livinglighthouse@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


> I have to totally agree with Janet, I need to spend more time reading and
less time thinking up a good response to something I disagree with. Even
when I don't like what someone else says I try to learn something from it.
While I started out seeing your point of view Bridget I think you may be on
the defense so much after feeling like you were being attacked that now all
comments are coming across that way. That happens to me.......I get my
feelings hurt and then I can't see past that to see some constructive
comments being made........I just see it as another attack. I hope you can
stop and look at each post for what its worth. Some won't be worth
anything, but others are worth their weight in gold if they make us really
think about our decisions.
> Rachel

Ann

First...


> Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is like
> saying
> " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the living
> room "
>

This strikes me as hysterically funny...wonder what that says about me <BG>
;)

Then..

> Sometimes, for the sake of the people who are coming along the path
> behind us, it's a good idea to clearly mark the trail.

This is helping me see what this "debate" is all about. See, I don't really
get it.
I'm not much of a confortationalist...lol. I just do my thing, take what I
think is important, and chuck the rest of the info.
That is why I have spent alot of time reading all of these post...shaking my
head...and saying..."Why does this matter?" I don't care what someone calls
unschooling, and what someone calls homeschooling, and what someone calls
relaxed, but maybe this is helping me understand.
THanks to whomever posted this...this wording helped a bit.
I'm still struggling to understand why this all matters, and would love to
hear more about it.
Ann

Lynda

This is argumentative! If she has determined that she is not defensive then
it would be adult and respectful to accept her word. I'd say she is in a
better position to judge how she is feeling. This continual dissecting and
describing people with various adjectives that have negative connotations is
obsessive! You are not judge and jury, so perhaps *you* should stop writing
so frequently telling people what they think, feel or are acting and do a
little more reading as you dictate others should do!

And why she is here is her business. I've never read anywhere that folks
need to apply and be screened before they can join and that their motives
are be examed! In fact, that sounds a tad bit paranoid! Good heavens, a
homeschooler might be here hoping to contaminate all those prospective new
unschoolers. Geez, give me a break!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


>
> << I stopped being defensive sometime early Sunday. >>
>
> As evidenced by... what?
> This is defensive:
>
>
> <<You know, you might want to take your own advice just a little. I
> stopped being defensive sometime early Sunday. I really don't care what
> you want to call my system of running my household. What I do care about
> is that if I had been someone truly in need of advice or a place to feel
> comfortable, this would not have been it. I would have cut and run after
> my TV post got blasted as being dishonest with my kids.
> I was just pointing out that that last post about what 'unschooling' is
> really sounded like 'Math is like Satan'. It would have sounded that way
> to me no matter where it came from or who said it or what the history of
> the conversation was.
>
> <<Bridget>>
>
>
> Again, people are trying to do you a favor.
> Again, you're doing WAY more writing than reading.
> Again, you don't think you NEED any of our "favors."
>
> Again: Why are you here then?
> I'm not saying you shouldn't be here (although I have no doubt you will
love
> to interpret it that way). I'm asking what you hoped to gain from this
list
> besides possibly the joy of antagonism.
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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> Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden

Oh Lynda, I'm so jealous... I never seem to get or make the time to do this.
Don't have much know-how in the dept either. Have a good book recommendation on
this seed saving subject?
Ann (the book and gardening addict)

Lynda

Ann,

It usually only seems to matter if there is a discussion going and people
disagree with a party. There are folks on the list whose kids are enrolled
in ps, there are folks who are homeschoolers, there are folks that are doing
school-at-home. They all use the term "unschooling" and no one has told
them otherwise.

There are also many definitions of "unschooling." If you go to a radical
unschooling list lots of the advise on this list on how to "encourage" your
kids wouldn't be considered unschooling either.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann <mumsienc@...>

>
> This is helping me see what this "debate" is all about. See, I don't
really
> get it.
> I'm not much of a confortationalist...lol. I just do my thing, take what
I
> think is important, and chuck the rest of the info.
> That is why I have spent alot of time reading all of these post...shaking
my
> head...and saying..."Why does this matter?" I don't care what someone
calls
> unschooling, and what someone calls homeschooling, and what someone calls
> relaxed, but maybe this is helping me understand.
> THanks to whomever posted this...this wording helped a bit.
> I'm still struggling to understand why this all matters, and would love to
> hear more about it.
> Ann
>
>
>
>
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Lynda

the kidlets are gardening nuts and it is one of those family things. I
don't make time, they drag me out, although it isn't usually kicking and
screaming <g> This year they are letting one of each plant go to seed so
they don't have to, hopefully, buy seeds next year.

At anyrate, for flowers, depending on the type, the seed pods will start to
open and that is the time to pick them. They have a bunch of those plastic
dish thingys that you put under pots to catch water and they put sticky
labels on them for the type of flowers. Then they open the pods and shake
the seeds out. They leave them in the trays to dry for about a month and
then put them in seal-a-meal bags and seal them (zip locks would work or
even waxed paper folded up and then sealed). then stick them in a paper bag
or under the cupboard away from light or even in the back of your fridge.

Oops, youngest is reading over my shoulder. If they are for plants you want
to bloom early, they stick them in the freezer for about a month and then
plant them. This is important with some seeds if you live in a real mild
climate or if you have real mild winters.

As to books, we have tons of them that I've ordered or the kidlets have
bought at book sales. We like the Rodales the best.

Lynda
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann <mumsienc@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


> > Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden
>
> Oh Lynda, I'm so jealous... I never seem to get or make the time to do
this.
> Don't have much know-how in the dept either. Have a good book
recommendation on
> this seed saving subject?
> Ann (the book and gardening addict)
>
>
>
>
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Elizabeth Hill

ddzimlew@... wrote:

>
>
> Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is like
> saying " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the
> living
> room "

This post made me LOL. (Although it may cause others, who see it
differently, to recoil.)

I was going to go with a slightly less startling example. I've been
studying the history of Islam for the last couple of weeks. There are parts
of the religion that appeal to me. However, I don't think I'm ever going to
make a pilgrimage to Mecca, fast during Ramadan, or pray 5 times a day. I
could join some Islamic mailing lists to learn more about Islam but it would
be way off base for me to call myself a Moslem, even if I read the Koran,
and even if I say and believe that "There is no God but Allah."

Betsy

>
>

Elizabeth Hill

Bridget E Coffman wrote:

>
> So . . . you are likening any form of structure in education (anything
> that even hints of parental control) to Satan and you wonder why I feel
> that you are doing more harm than good to your own cause?
>

I think a more accurate metaphor would be to say "I'm a Christian, but I
only follow 9 or the 10 commandments. The last one doesn't really work for
me."

Betsy

Bridget E Coffman

On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:28:20 -0700 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
>
>
> Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden

What do you grow?

Bridget

~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat

Ann

Interesting way of putting it again....thanks.
Ann


> However, I don't think I'm ever going to
> make a pilgrimage to Mecca, fast during Ramadan, or pray 5 times a day. I
> could join some Islamic mailing lists to learn more about Islam but it would
> be way off base for me to call myself a Moslem, even if I read the Koran,
> and even if I say and believe that "There is no God but

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Wendy- That is the way I look at being a christian also. I know most people
in my church feel it's extremely important to know the bible backwards and
forwards, but to me it's more important to follow the example Jesus gave to
us in how to live our lives. Really, he's the only one that has ever lived on
this earth and lived completely without sin, so who would be a better example
for us to follow? Thank you for sharing!

Kimberly U


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In a message dated 9/10/2001 4:40:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ecsamhill@... writes:


> " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the
> > living
> > room "
>
> This post made me LOL. (Although it may cause others, who see it
> differently, to recoil.)
>
> I was going to go with a slightly less startling example. I've been
> studying the history of Islam for the last couple of weeks. There are parts
> of the religion that appeal to me. However, I don't think I'm ever going to
> make a pilgrimage to Mecca, fast during Ramadan, or pray 5 times a day. I
> could join some Islamic mailing lists to learn more about Islam but it would
>


Folks, I'm neither a Christian nor a Moslem. But, then again, unschooling
isn't a religion. I don't have to be able to quote the right verses. I just
have to do it. As I might not pass a lot of tests various people might come
up with, I might not pass a test of my purity of unschooling. Others can
worry about my purity. I know I haven't been pure for quite a while now.

Nance


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[email protected]

In a message dated 09/10/2001 5:15:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:


> > Saying " I'm unschooling except that my kids have to do math " is like
> > saying " I'm Christian except that I have a small shrine to Satan in the
> > living
> > room "
>
> This post made me LOL. (Although it may cause others, who see it
> differently, to recoil.)
>
>

Me too, actually. But as a Unitarian Universalist it seemed like an entirely
reasonable thing to do! LOL

Kathryn, who has been guilty of coveting her neighbor's ox


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R Meyers

I didn't see myself as having "lit" into anyone, and I haven't had anyone say that they felt they had been "lit" into so I'm not real sure what posts you are talking about Lynda. Perhaps you are reading too much into my posts.
Rachel
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynda
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


Well, see this is why I thought you were irritated at me <g> The post about
how some posts effect me (reminding me of ps) followed a post in which you
lit into someone else and it "felt" like you had brought the same feelings
into the post to me.

I guess the sooner they make post-a-vision (the kidlets' name for the
computer of the future where you see and interact with the other poster) a
reality (defined as affordable for most folks), the sooner we will all see
that what comes across in the written word is not necessarily how the poster
was feeling when they wrote it!

Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden and then we are off
to the mall so the kidlets can spend their paycheck. Hope everyone else has
a nice day.
----- Original Message -----
From: R Meyers <livinglighthouse@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


> I have to totally agree with Janet, I need to spend more time reading and
less time thinking up a good response to something I disagree with. Even
when I don't like what someone else says I try to learn something from it.
While I started out seeing your point of view Bridget I think you may be on
the defense so much after feeling like you were being attacked that now all
comments are coming across that way. That happens to me.......I get my
feelings hurt and then I can't see past that to see some constructive
comments being made........I just see it as another attack. I hope you can
stop and look at each post for what its worth. Some won't be worth
anything, but others are worth their weight in gold if they make us really
think about our decisions.
> Rachel



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Lynda

Everyone has their own gardens. Hubby just has tomatoes this year but
usually does vining stuff (cucumbers, zukes, melons). Eldest kidlet has a
flower garden with "antiques" and heritage flowers in it. Middle kidlet has
flowers and what he calls "weird stuff" which are oddball plants he finds
and brings home to put in his garden. Youngest kidlet has strawberries,
radishes, garlic and potatoes. I peas, beans, lettuce, raspberries, herbs,
a butterfly garden, a rose garden, a scent garden, window boxes, hanging
planters, and lots of potted plants that hubby has brought home because
folks said they were "dead" and now they are "happy." We all also have
trees that we are raising. Oh, and buckets of houseplants. We usually have
more veggies but this has been a weird weather year and we didn't get a lot
of things in %-{

We also collect wildflower seeds to be used in replanting for naturalizing
and working to remove invasion introduced plants.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Labels


>
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:28:20 -0700 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> >
> >
> > Lynda, who is off to collect seeds for next years garden
>
> What do you grow?
>
> Bridget
>
> ~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
> comes from morons?~~~~
> I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
> Some letter of that After-life to spell;
> And by and by my Soul returned to me,
> And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>
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----------
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1449
>Date: Mon, Sep 10, 2001, 2:12 PM
>

> If you go to a radical
> unschooling list lots of the advise on this list on how to "encourage" your
> kids wouldn't be considered unschooling either.


I'd love the direction of some or all of these lists -- I'm always hoping to
meet unschoolers more radical than I am, so I can learn.

Pam