Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Tin-Tin, Digest Number 1437
Ms. Tery
If one of my children found these books on their own I would have
reservations on their use. I would not recommend them to anyone because
they are very skewed as to content and concepts. One compilation includes
one story on crocked cops, one story on drug dealings and opium dens and I
forget what the third one is about.
Back when my grandson was in ps this book was recommended (they are "in")
and he brought it over and asked questions about it and then, being a "I'm
just a numbers kinda people, grams," he did a count of what was happening in
the book. Then he checked out two other compilations from the library.
Over 70% of all the frames show the main character being "harmed" in some
fashion (drown, hung, shot, stabbed, buried alive, etc.) or him killing
someone one.
Oh, and he thought the boy in the books was a "kid" and didn't find any
reference to the main character being an adult writer.
His opinion is that they weren't really meant for kids and "besides, they
are really racist" which was said with a shake of his head, and then he said
"why would anyone think stuff like this is funny?" He also wanted to know
how come teachers talk about not watching all the violence on television and
then told him that this was a good book for him to read.
Did grams' heart good to know that at the age of 9 he could see this,
recognize it for what it was, question it AND recognize the hypocritical
stances that public schools/teachers are so inclined to take!
Tery
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reservations on their use. I would not recommend them to anyone because
they are very skewed as to content and concepts. One compilation includes
one story on crocked cops, one story on drug dealings and opium dens and I
forget what the third one is about.
Back when my grandson was in ps this book was recommended (they are "in")
and he brought it over and asked questions about it and then, being a "I'm
just a numbers kinda people, grams," he did a count of what was happening in
the book. Then he checked out two other compilations from the library.
Over 70% of all the frames show the main character being "harmed" in some
fashion (drown, hung, shot, stabbed, buried alive, etc.) or him killing
someone one.
Oh, and he thought the boy in the books was a "kid" and didn't find any
reference to the main character being an adult writer.
His opinion is that they weren't really meant for kids and "besides, they
are really racist" which was said with a shake of his head, and then he said
"why would anyone think stuff like this is funny?" He also wanted to know
how come teachers talk about not watching all the violence on television and
then told him that this was a good book for him to read.
Did grams' heart good to know that at the age of 9 he could see this,
recognize it for what it was, question it AND recognize the hypocritical
stances that public schools/teachers are so inclined to take!
Tery
>_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 13:42:37 -0000
> From: RNorell@...
>Subject: Re: Regarding this list and son's reading
>
>"R Meyers" <livinglighthouse@y...> wrote:
> > He seems very interested in WWII right now and while he will pour
>over a book about diagrams of planes and tanks he won't pick up
>a "novel" to save his life.
>
>Rachel -
>
>Have you tried Tintin books? They're by Herge, and they're oversized
>comic book adventures of a writer and his dog during WWI and WWII.
>They were initially published as serials in magazines, and are now
>separate books. My 8 year old isn't reading yet, but he loves to
>have me read these (about the only thing he chooses for bedtime story
>other than non-fiction).
>
>There are some "collections" where they have put three of the books
>into a large hardcover edition, but generally there's one long story
>in an oversize comic book. There's even a collection of 6 of them on
>tape.
>
>Here's the link to amazon.com's list of Tintin books, so you can see
>all the titles available:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-
>keywords=tintin&bq=1/ref=aps_more_b_1/103-8529411-0651869
>or just go to amazon.com and type in Tintin in the search box.
>
>Enjoy!
>Robin
>Orlando, FL
> :-)
>
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R Meyers
Tery,
Thank you for the heads up on the books...
Rachel
Thank you for the heads up on the books...
Rachel
----- Original Message -----
From: Ms. Tery
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Tin-Tin, Digest Number 1437
If one of my children found these books on their own I would have
reservations on their use. I would not recommend them to anyone because
they are very skewed as to content and concepts. One compilation includes
one story on crocked cops, one story on drug dealings and opium dens and I
forget what the third one is about.
Back when my grandson was in ps this book was recommended (they are "in")
and he brought it over and asked questions about it and then, being a "I'm
just a numbers kinda people, grams," he did a count of what was happening in
the book. Then he checked out two other compilations from the library.
Over 70% of all the frames show the main character being "harmed" in some
fashion (drown, hung, shot, stabbed, buried alive, etc.) or him killing
someone one.
Oh, and he thought the boy in the books was a "kid" and didn't find any
reference to the main character being an adult writer.
His opinion is that they weren't really meant for kids and "besides, they
are really racist" which was said with a shake of his head, and then he said
"why would anyone think stuff like this is funny?" He also wanted to know
how come teachers talk about not watching all the violence on television and
then told him that this was a good book for him to read.
Did grams' heart good to know that at the age of 9 he could see this,
recognize it for what it was, question it AND recognize the hypocritical
stances that public schools/teachers are so inclined to take!
Tery
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 13:42:37 -0000
> From: RNorell@...
>Subject: Re: Regarding this list and son's reading
>
>"R Meyers" <livinglighthouse@y...> wrote:
> > He seems very interested in WWII right now and while he will pour
>over a book about diagrams of planes and tanks he won't pick up
>a "novel" to save his life.
>
>Rachel -
>
>Have you tried Tintin books? They're by Herge, and they're oversized
>comic book adventures of a writer and his dog during WWI and WWII.
>They were initially published as serials in magazines, and are now
>separate books. My 8 year old isn't reading yet, but he loves to
>have me read these (about the only thing he chooses for bedtime story
>other than non-fiction).
>
>There are some "collections" where they have put three of the books
>into a large hardcover edition, but generally there's one long story
>in an oversize comic book. There's even a collection of 6 of them on
>tape.
>
>Here's the link to amazon.com's list of Tintin books, so you can see
>all the titles available:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-
>keywords=tintin&bq=1/ref=aps_more_b_1/103-8529411-0651869
>or just go to amazon.com and type in Tintin in the search box.
>
>Enjoy!
>Robin
>Orlando, FL
> :-)
>
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2001 11:04:04 -0700 "Ms. Tery" <mom2kaalande@...>
writes:
racism was the norm and why those books were perfectly acceptible then
but they are not now? Culturally, we have come a LONG way since WWII.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
writes:
>they
> His opinion is that they weren't really meant for kids and "besides,
> are really racist" which was said with a shake of his head, and thenhe said
> "why would anyone think stuff like this is funny?" He also wanted toknow
> how come teachers talk about not watching all the violence ontelevision and
> then told him that this was a good book for him to read.So did you hop on the opportunity to chat about how recently that kind of
racism was the norm and why those books were perfectly acceptible then
but they are not now? Culturally, we have come a LONG way since WWII.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
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"Ms. Tery" <mom2kaalande@h...> wrote:
All the above are done in a very cartoonish way, including the
violence.
Since I read them with my son, it's a great opportunity to discuss
these things, rather than pretend they don't exist.
As for the racism, it does exist on some level, but not with Tintin
himself. He generally makes friends with everyone. In one, a
Chinese friend had been lost in an airplane crash, and he risked his
life to go and find out if the friend survived the crash.
It's also a great opportunity to discuss the changes in this world
since WWII. "Explorers on the Moon" was quite comical, considering
it was done in the late 40s/early 50s, before man ever set foot on
the moon. Their "predictions" of what would happen were funny
compared with the facts we now have.
The animated violence is like any other cartoon, and less than you
see on most TV shows these days.
MY only objection to it is his friend, the Captain, who is also a
drunk with a temper. He is a comical character most of the time, but
when his temper lets loose, he lets go a bunch of "curses" - they're
not true swearing, but "blistering barnacles" and the like. I usually
don't read them all aloud.
Tintin is a good character model, as I said, often risking his life
for his friends. He fights for the underdog, is very polite, and as
a character is probably in his early 20s. Through him we get to see
the world.
Robin
Orlando, FL
:-)
> I would not recommend them to anyone becauseincludes
> they are very skewed as to content and concepts. One compilation
> one story on crocked cops, one story on drug dealings and opiumdens and I
> forget what the third one is about.Tery -
All the above are done in a very cartoonish way, including the
violence.
Since I read them with my son, it's a great opportunity to discuss
these things, rather than pretend they don't exist.
As for the racism, it does exist on some level, but not with Tintin
himself. He generally makes friends with everyone. In one, a
Chinese friend had been lost in an airplane crash, and he risked his
life to go and find out if the friend survived the crash.
It's also a great opportunity to discuss the changes in this world
since WWII. "Explorers on the Moon" was quite comical, considering
it was done in the late 40s/early 50s, before man ever set foot on
the moon. Their "predictions" of what would happen were funny
compared with the facts we now have.
The animated violence is like any other cartoon, and less than you
see on most TV shows these days.
MY only objection to it is his friend, the Captain, who is also a
drunk with a temper. He is a comical character most of the time, but
when his temper lets loose, he lets go a bunch of "curses" - they're
not true swearing, but "blistering barnacles" and the like. I usually
don't read them all aloud.
Tintin is a good character model, as I said, often risking his life
for his friends. He fights for the underdog, is very polite, and as
a character is probably in his early 20s. Through him we get to see
the world.
Robin
Orlando, FL
:-)