Moving from relaxed homeschooling to unschooling
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In a message dated 9/8/01 7:52:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
jnjstau@... writes:
guess we are relaxed homeschoolers working towards unschooling. How long
does it take to get "there"? We started this process last year for 6 months,
then I put him back in kindergarten again, then I took him out and seriously
said "we are going to do this". I notice that everytime I have a rule for
something I've started to think about whether it's safety or my control
issues. For the first time yesterday we went to rent videos and I let Zak
pick whichever one he wanted. He picked Simba (the Lion King II) and the
Land Before Time V. I was internally in a bit of a panic that he might pick
up the Godzilla movie in the adult section he was looking at. So how do you
determine what's ok and what's not.
What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (which looked
scarey even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
Dawn
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jnjstau@... writes:
> . Lots of people confuse relaxedJulie this really helps me as I've been trying to decide what we are and I
> homeschooling with unschooling. How will they know if someone doesn't point
> it out?
>
guess we are relaxed homeschoolers working towards unschooling. How long
does it take to get "there"? We started this process last year for 6 months,
then I put him back in kindergarten again, then I took him out and seriously
said "we are going to do this". I notice that everytime I have a rule for
something I've started to think about whether it's safety or my control
issues. For the first time yesterday we went to rent videos and I let Zak
pick whichever one he wanted. He picked Simba (the Lion King II) and the
Land Before Time V. I was internally in a bit of a panic that he might pick
up the Godzilla movie in the adult section he was looking at. So how do you
determine what's ok and what's not.
What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (which looked
scarey even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dawn Falbe
Personal Development Coach
Relocational Astrologer
(520) 579-2646
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
www.astrologerdawn.com
Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
"The people who get on in this world
are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."-George
Bernard Shaw
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> What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (whichDon't know if this will reassure you but my little guy ( now nine ) has
> looked
> scary even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
>
> Dawn
been watching Godzilla since he was four. We love Godzilla.
I do know what you mean though. He once chose a scarry looking sci-fi
movie I had never seen, with an R rating. I just gritted my teeth. He
turned it off about twenty minutes in and said it wasn't what he thought
it would be. ( He was seven )
He has very discriminating tastes these days and if it's a movie I
haven't seen he'll ask the clerk if it's any good. ( sometimes this is
trouble because we love those horrible old B movies that no one else
likes! )
My son knows some great places to get Godzilla toys if Godzilla fever
strikes at your house!
Deb L
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In a message dated 9/9/2001 8:50:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:
or so, maybe I might be "there". I really don't know. I have considered
myself an unschooler all along, but I know I really have not been, until the
last couple of years. And I still struggle with control issues at times. But
it is a great journey that our entire family is committed to and we just plug
away at it every moment.
Funny story. . Quinton likes to jump on the furniture and has created this
great game where he takes all the cushions off the couch and finds different
and pleasing (to him) ways of jumping off the highest part of the couch. It
really bugs Lelia (who is 12) and Bryan. We finally realized why it bugs
Bryan so much. . . he was not allowed to jump on furniture when he was young
and he wants to join in with Quinton. Problem is when he does, he breaks
things!! LOL It bugs LElia cause she hates seeing the cushions all strewn
about. :)
lovemary
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NumoAstro@... writes:
> Julie this really helps me as I've been trying to decide what we are and IAre we "there" yet? LOL . . . I figure by the time Quinton (who is 2) is 20
> guess we are relaxed homeschoolers working towards unschooling. How long
> does it take to get "there"?
or so, maybe I might be "there". I really don't know. I have considered
myself an unschooler all along, but I know I really have not been, until the
last couple of years. And I still struggle with control issues at times. But
it is a great journey that our entire family is committed to and we just plug
away at it every moment.
Funny story. . Quinton likes to jump on the furniture and has created this
great game where he takes all the cushions off the couch and finds different
and pleasing (to him) ways of jumping off the highest part of the couch. It
really bugs Lelia (who is 12) and Bryan. We finally realized why it bugs
Bryan so much. . . he was not allowed to jump on furniture when he was young
and he wants to join in with Quinton. Problem is when he does, he breaks
things!! LOL It bugs LElia cause she hates seeing the cushions all strewn
about. :)
lovemary
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In a message dated 9/9/01 6:50:54 AM, NumoAstro@... writes:
<< I
guess we are relaxed homeschoolers working towards unschooling. How long
does it take to get "there"? >>
One second, but people often put that second off as long as they can. I
don't understand why.
They don't either. They ALWAYS say "I don't know why we didn't we do this
sooner."
Marty went through a Godzilla phase. I forced myself to watch some with him,
and he never got scared. I found him a book about the making of some of the
early Godzilla movies (or with photos from the moview, at least, I forget),
and he was aware from the beginning that it was model art and animation and
puppets and such and was seeing it that way.
Why is Godzilla "worse" than Land Before Time? Land Before Time movies have
some good songs (there's a singalong tape with words going by of the songs
from the movies up to VI, I think it is), but there's still a lot of
scariness and screaming (CERA, STOP SCREAMING!!) It's worth thinking through
such things, as you've already said you're doing.
It's easier to start unschooling before the mom really fully understands it
if possible, because the kids will show her that it works when they're given
an open, honest chance to do so. The mom's fears and worries remain for a
while, but will gradually be replaced with the confidence and first hand
knowledge that one thing leads to another and that trust is rewarded.
Sandra
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
<< I
guess we are relaxed homeschoolers working towards unschooling. How long
does it take to get "there"? >>
One second, but people often put that second off as long as they can. I
don't understand why.
They don't either. They ALWAYS say "I don't know why we didn't we do this
sooner."
Marty went through a Godzilla phase. I forced myself to watch some with him,
and he never got scared. I found him a book about the making of some of the
early Godzilla movies (or with photos from the moview, at least, I forget),
and he was aware from the beginning that it was model art and animation and
puppets and such and was seeing it that way.
Why is Godzilla "worse" than Land Before Time? Land Before Time movies have
some good songs (there's a singalong tape with words going by of the songs
from the movies up to VI, I think it is), but there's still a lot of
scariness and screaming (CERA, STOP SCREAMING!!) It's worth thinking through
such things, as you've already said you're doing.
It's easier to start unschooling before the mom really fully understands it
if possible, because the kids will show her that it works when they're given
an open, honest chance to do so. The mom's fears and worries remain for a
while, but will gradually be replaced with the confidence and first hand
knowledge that one thing leads to another and that trust is rewarded.
Sandra
Sandra
"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart
Ansley LOVES horror movies. This is the kid who announced this year he's
going to study the paranormal ("You know, Mommy - the WEIRD stuff").
He's seen several PG and R rated movies. We DO censor his choices to a
degree. For example, no ROBOCOP because the first 10 minutes are so
incredibly violent - he'd be into the violence with little chance to
react. On the other hand, we went to see Jurassic park 3 and The Mummy
Returns in the theaters with him and he LOVED them. My basic rule of
thumb is I have to see the movie first to see if, from how MY child
reacts, he will have TIME to turn it off before the intensity level is
too much for him.
Rachel Ravenhart
PS> He LOVED Billy Elliot when it was in the theatre. I knew a "boy
dancer" movie would be fun, but I never expected him to sit through the
whole thing.
ddzimlew@... wrote:
going to study the paranormal ("You know, Mommy - the WEIRD stuff").
He's seen several PG and R rated movies. We DO censor his choices to a
degree. For example, no ROBOCOP because the first 10 minutes are so
incredibly violent - he'd be into the violence with little chance to
react. On the other hand, we went to see Jurassic park 3 and The Mummy
Returns in the theaters with him and he LOVED them. My basic rule of
thumb is I have to see the movie first to see if, from how MY child
reacts, he will have TIME to turn it off before the intensity level is
too much for him.
Rachel Ravenhart
PS> He LOVED Billy Elliot when it was in the theatre. I knew a "boy
dancer" movie would be fun, but I never expected him to sit through the
whole thing.
ddzimlew@... wrote:
> > What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (which[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > looked
> > scary even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
> >
> > Dawn
Dawn
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think it's just that I've been conditioned to believe (through my own
upbringing) that there is this age appropriateness stuff that I need
to watch out for with my kids. Of course what that leads to is not
trusting that my kids will watch what they are interested in and not
watch what they are not interested in.
Good opportunity to practice faith I believe <g> Thanks Sandra for
the help in opening up my mind to the kind of unschooling that I want
to have in my life.
Dawn
>movies have
> Why is Godzilla "worse" than Land Before Time? Land Before Time
> some good songsSandra I don't think it's a good or bad, worse or better thing. I
think it's just that I've been conditioned to believe (through my own
upbringing) that there is this age appropriateness stuff that I need
to watch out for with my kids. Of course what that leads to is not
trusting that my kids will watch what they are interested in and not
watch what they are not interested in.
Good opportunity to practice faith I believe <g> Thanks Sandra for
the help in opening up my mind to the kind of unschooling that I want
to have in my life.
Dawn
Diane
Sounds like time for a mini-tramp to me! Or even a trampoline if there's space
and $$ for it.
:-) Diane
and $$ for it.
:-) Diane
> Funny story. . Quinton likes to jump on the furniture and has created this
> great game where he takes all the cushions off the couch and finds different
> and pleasing (to him) ways of jumping off the highest part of the couch. It
> really bugs Lelia (who is 12) and Bryan. We finally realized why it bugs
> Bryan so much. . . he was not allowed to jump on furniture when he was young
> and he wants to join in with Quinton. Problem is when he does, he breaks
> things!! LOL It bugs LElia cause she hates seeing the cushions all strewn
> about. :)
>
> lovemary
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:48:18 EDT NumoAstro@... writes:
Frankenstein many time, and one of the cable channels her eis running
tons of Godzilla movies this month so she's in heaven. She's also reading
Dracula now, and I did tell her it might be scary, and offered to read it
first so I could tell herbwhen it might be scary, but she brushed me
off... at 6 she probably would have taken me up on it, though.
She's developed some techniques for watching scary movies. Often she'll
run out of the room when it gets scary and come back in a minute.
Sometimes she covers her eyes and ears. Sometimes she'll turn it off and
ask me to watch it and tell her when XXX is over.
That said, old monster and godzilla movies have never scared her. THe
movie she saw recently that gave her nightmares was "Gorillas in the
Mist", which I got confused with the movie about Jane Goodall so I was
telling her that it would all be fine and no, she wouldn't die... and
then at the end the guy comes in and murders her with a machete. Arghh.
Talk about guilt.
She's now watching A Fish Called Wanda and enjoying it greatly, she loves
British humour...
Daron
> What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (whichCacie (8) loooves old monster movies, she's rented the old Dracula and
> looked
> scarey even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
Frankenstein many time, and one of the cable channels her eis running
tons of Godzilla movies this month so she's in heaven. She's also reading
Dracula now, and I did tell her it might be scary, and offered to read it
first so I could tell herbwhen it might be scary, but she brushed me
off... at 6 she probably would have taken me up on it, though.
She's developed some techniques for watching scary movies. Often she'll
run out of the room when it gets scary and come back in a minute.
Sometimes she covers her eyes and ears. Sometimes she'll turn it off and
ask me to watch it and tell her when XXX is over.
That said, old monster and godzilla movies have never scared her. THe
movie she saw recently that gave her nightmares was "Gorillas in the
Mist", which I got confused with the movie about Jane Goodall so I was
telling her that it would all be fine and no, she wouldn't die... and
then at the end the guy comes in and murders her with a machete. Arghh.
Talk about guilt.
She's now watching A Fish Called Wanda and enjoying it greatly, she loves
British humour...
Daron
Bridget E Coffman
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:02:17 -0700 freeform@... writes:
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>Fierce Creatures is better!
> She's now watching A Fish Called Wanda and enjoying it greatly, she
> loves
> British humour...
>
> Daron
>
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Johanna SanInocencio
Have you introduced her to Monty Python?
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Moving from relaxed homeschooling to
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> On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:48:18 EDT NumoAstro@... writes:
> > What if Zak decided he wanted to watch the Godzilla movie (which
> > looked
> > scarey even for me). Do I just let him get it and watch it?
>
> Cacie (8) loooves old monster movies, she's rented the old Dracula and
> Frankenstein many time, and one of the cable channels her eis running
> tons of Godzilla movies this month so she's in heaven. She's also reading
> Dracula now, and I did tell her it might be scary, and offered to read it
> first so I could tell herbwhen it might be scary, but she brushed me
> off... at 6 she probably would have taken me up on it, though.
>
> She's developed some techniques for watching scary movies. Often she'll
> run out of the room when it gets scary and come back in a minute.
> Sometimes she covers her eyes and ears. Sometimes she'll turn it off and
> ask me to watch it and tell her when XXX is over.
>
> That said, old monster and godzilla movies have never scared her. THe
> movie she saw recently that gave her nightmares was "Gorillas in the
> Mist", which I got confused with the movie about Jane Goodall so I was
> telling her that it would all be fine and no, she wouldn't die... and
> then at the end the guy comes in and murders her with a machete. Arghh.
> Talk about guilt.
>
> She's now watching A Fish Called Wanda and enjoying it greatly, she loves
> British humour...
>
> Daron
>
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On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:40:45 -0500 "Johanna SanInocencio"
<saninocencio@...> writes:
Wanda. We have been known to break out singing "Always look on the bright
side of life" in crowded shopping malls... she also does "Every sperm is
sacred" and the latin one where she bangs her head after every line...
much fun :-) Currently she's looking for a peach-colored tx, a tophat,
and a walking stick, which she thinks would be the perfect birthday gift
for a friend who also digs Monty Python...
Daron
<saninocencio@...> writes:
> Have you introduced her to Monty Python?Oh, totally. One of her faves, that's why she wanted to see A Fish Called
Wanda. We have been known to break out singing "Always look on the bright
side of life" in crowded shopping malls... she also does "Every sperm is
sacred" and the latin one where she bangs her head after every line...
much fun :-) Currently she's looking for a peach-colored tx, a tophat,
and a walking stick, which she thinks would be the perfect birthday gift
for a friend who also digs Monty Python...
Daron