"total control" and "veto rights"
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<< But I draw the line at Teletubbies. Not
because I think it is mindlass but because we are a family and no-one has
total control of the TV. If I am in the room, I get veto rights on
anything I don't want to watch. >>
Do the kids have that veto too?
Teletubbies has some very cool geography videos, and they show them twice.
So if there's one Holly thinks I'd really like, she can go and get me and we
can watch the whole thing together.
She likes to look at how the thing was produced---how the costumes work, how
the sets work (doors and slides and such) and discuss what they're trying to
teach babies with this or that scene. She's not watching it as a baby would.
She's watching it as someone who's interested in theatre and TV production
and education would.
Sandra
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because I think it is mindlass but because we are a family and no-one has
total control of the TV. If I am in the room, I get veto rights on
anything I don't want to watch. >>
Do the kids have that veto too?
Teletubbies has some very cool geography videos, and they show them twice.
So if there's one Holly thinks I'd really like, she can go and get me and we
can watch the whole thing together.
She likes to look at how the thing was produced---how the costumes work, how
the sets work (doors and slides and such) and discuss what they're trying to
teach babies with this or that scene. She's not watching it as a baby would.
She's watching it as someone who's interested in theatre and TV production
and education would.
Sandra
"Everything counts."
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http://expage.com/SandraDodd
Bridget E Coffman
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 10:19:50 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
Yes, they do have veto rights too. There are a few 'rules' or 'truisms'
though.
Nobody can veto "whose line" (Rachel's favorite)
Anybody who wants to veto my 3 favs has to set up a tape so I can watch
later. (It's good to be queen)
When the choices involve a show on a certain channel all rules change due
to inconsistenciesin broadcast clarity.
Broadcast wins over tapes we own - always
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>If I am in the room, I get veto rights on
> anything I don't want to watch. >>I already answered that but I'll expand on it a bit.
>
> Do the kids have that veto too?
>
Yes, they do have veto rights too. There are a few 'rules' or 'truisms'
though.
Nobody can veto "whose line" (Rachel's favorite)
Anybody who wants to veto my 3 favs has to set up a tape so I can watch
later. (It's good to be queen)
When the choices involve a show on a certain channel all rules change due
to inconsistenciesin broadcast clarity.
Broadcast wins over tapes we own - always
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Bridget E Coffman
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:18:50 EDT KathrynJB@... writes:
I think life and education are not seperate things.
way. If I am in the room, it is not allowed to be on the TV. I mean
Pokemon irritates me, but it has something to do with the noise.
Teletubbies just freaks me out immediatly. And believe me, I've put up
with some very strange TV viewing habits in the past. Why is TT so
annoying?
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>\And even if it didn't, life will go on ifActually, I think EVERYTHING can have a way to be educational. But then
> everything is NOT educational. Maybe we obsess about that a bit too
> much.
I think life and education are not seperate things.
>just
> I think sometimes you get back to the respect thing: I, for example,
> find Teletubbies totally creepy and it makes my skin crawl.So what is it about Teletubbies that does this to us? I feel the same
way. If I am in the room, it is not allowed to be on the TV. I mean
Pokemon irritates me, but it has something to do with the noise.
Teletubbies just freaks me out immediatly. And believe me, I've put up
with some very strange TV viewing habits in the past. Why is TT so
annoying?
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Lynda
Maybe because the show is written as if children were STUPID??? It is also
very sexist.
Lynda, who hates shows that talk down to children!
very sexist.
Lynda, who hates shows that talk down to children!
----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget E Coffman <rumpleteasermom@...
>
>snip<
> So what is it about Teletubbies that does this to us? I feel the same
> way. If I am in the room, it is not allowed to be on the TV. I mean
> Pokemon irritates me, but it has something to do with the noise.
> Teletubbies just freaks me out immediatly. And believe me, I've put up
> with some very strange TV viewing habits in the past. Why is TT so
> annoying?
>
> Bridget
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In a message dated 9/10/01 11:13:50 AM, lurine@... writes:
<< Maybe because the show is written as if children were STUPID??? It >>
Teletubbies is a show for little kids.
Same as Mr. Rogers. That show has been reviled unfairly by lots of people
who said he talks too slow, he babies people. Well fine--if it's too slow
and babyish for a person, THAT person shouldn't watch it, but to tell others
that they'd be stupid if they watched it seems to me to be the same kind of
pressure kids get from other kids at school about doing what's cool, having a
cool notebook, a cool lunch box, brand-name shoes, listening ONLY to the
music their friends deign to approve.
My mom used to come in and say "Turn off that screaming" about any musical TV
show that wasn't country and western or rock'n'roll. Any musical theatre,
classical, opera, got "turn off that screeching" or one of very few variants
on that.
She told me to turn off The Friendly Giant (a very cool CBC show where he
played recorder and told stories).
She was wrong to do that, and I still remember those incidents to this day as
her being mean, unfair and small minded.
So I have personal issues. <g>
But my kids won't have. And other people's kids don't ahve to have either,
if the parents will consider how it would feel to have someone who weighed
eight times as much saying "TURN THAT OFF, IT IS (and thereby by extension
"you are") STUPID."
Sandra
<< Maybe because the show is written as if children were STUPID??? It >>
Teletubbies is a show for little kids.
Same as Mr. Rogers. That show has been reviled unfairly by lots of people
who said he talks too slow, he babies people. Well fine--if it's too slow
and babyish for a person, THAT person shouldn't watch it, but to tell others
that they'd be stupid if they watched it seems to me to be the same kind of
pressure kids get from other kids at school about doing what's cool, having a
cool notebook, a cool lunch box, brand-name shoes, listening ONLY to the
music their friends deign to approve.
My mom used to come in and say "Turn off that screaming" about any musical TV
show that wasn't country and western or rock'n'roll. Any musical theatre,
classical, opera, got "turn off that screeching" or one of very few variants
on that.
She told me to turn off The Friendly Giant (a very cool CBC show where he
played recorder and told stories).
She was wrong to do that, and I still remember those incidents to this day as
her being mean, unfair and small minded.
So I have personal issues. <g>
But my kids won't have. And other people's kids don't ahve to have either,
if the parents will consider how it would feel to have someone who weighed
eight times as much saying "TURN THAT OFF, IT IS (and thereby by extension
"you are") STUPID."
Sandra
Rachel Wolfe Ravenhart
Bridget E Coffman wrote:
See, you see the nice little Teletubbies in their perfect little world,
and KNOW there's something nasty lurking deeply underground. *nodnod*
And then there's the loudspeaker telling the citizens wht they must
do...*Shudder*
Rachel Ravenhart
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> So what is it about Teletubbies that does this to us? I feel the sameIt's the whole Eloi and Morlocks thing, combined with a dose of 1984.
>
> way. If I am in the room, it is not allowed to be on the TV. I mean
> Pokemon irritates me, but it has something to do with the noise.
> Teletubbies just freaks me out immediatly. And believe me, I've put
> up
> with some very strange TV viewing habits in the past. Why is TT so
> annoying?
>
> Bridget
See, you see the nice little Teletubbies in their perfect little world,
and KNOW there's something nasty lurking deeply underground. *nodnod*
And then there's the loudspeaker telling the citizens wht they must
do...*Shudder*
Rachel Ravenhart
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Lynda
Sandra, you really need to get over changing what is said or taking your
personal history and reading something into things that simply isn't there.
Someone asked why the show bugged them and I answer MAYBE because the show
is written AS IF children are STUPID. That means MAYBE that is what BUGS
them. That means the show talks down to kids. Good grief, children that
have been interviewed about the show have made comments about it. I've had
kids in my house make statements like "do they think we're stupid."
If you have personal issues you need to deal with them and not use them to
color and shade conversations here and then make big leaps such as the one
you made from how a show is written to people being called a name.
Lynda
personal history and reading something into things that simply isn't there.
Someone asked why the show bugged them and I answer MAYBE because the show
is written AS IF children are STUPID. That means MAYBE that is what BUGS
them. That means the show talks down to kids. Good grief, children that
have been interviewed about the show have made comments about it. I've had
kids in my house make statements like "do they think we're stupid."
If you have personal issues you need to deal with them and not use them to
color and shade conversations here and then make big leaps such as the one
you made from how a show is written to people being called a name.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: "total control" and "veto rights"
>
> In a message dated 9/10/01 11:13:50 AM, lurine@... writes:
>
> << Maybe because the show is written as if children were STUPID??? It >>
>
> Teletubbies is a show for little kids.
>
> Same as Mr. Rogers. That show has been reviled unfairly by lots of people
> who said he talks too slow, he babies people. Well fine--if it's too slow
> and babyish for a person, THAT person shouldn't watch it, but to tell
others
> that they'd be stupid if they watched it seems to me to be the same kind
of
> pressure kids get from other kids at school about doing what's cool,
having a
> cool notebook, a cool lunch box, brand-name shoes, listening ONLY to the
> music their friends deign to approve.
>
> My mom used to come in and say "Turn off that screaming" about any musical
TV
> show that wasn't country and western or rock'n'roll. Any musical theatre,
> classical, opera, got "turn off that screeching" or one of very few
variants
> on that.
>
> She told me to turn off The Friendly Giant (a very cool CBC show where he
> played recorder and told stories).
>
> She was wrong to do that, and I still remember those incidents to this day
as
> her being mean, unfair and small minded.
>
> So I have personal issues. <g>
> But my kids won't have. And other people's kids don't ahve to have
either,
> if the parents will consider how it would feel to have someone who weighed
> eight times as much saying "TURN THAT OFF, IT IS (and thereby by extension
> "you are") STUPID."
>
> Sandra
>
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:30:53 -0700 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
spoke to ANY of mine that way, baby talk just bugs me. I don't think
I've ever watched long enough to notice any sexism.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
> Maybe because the show is written as if children were STUPID??? ItIt could be the stupidity thing - at least the baby talk anyway. I never
> is also
> very sexist.
>
> Lynda, who hates shows that talk down to children!
spoke to ANY of mine that way, baby talk just bugs me. I don't think
I've ever watched long enough to notice any sexism.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
Bridget E Coffman
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:41:07 EDT SandraDodd@... writes:
whatever, it would lead to some interesting happenings. Rachel would
drag it over to my mom and they could listen to big band together, or I
would be telling Jenni to turn off music that we fight over because I
want the disc in the craft room and she wants it in the bedroom (we share
a lot! but we really need a cd burner!)
But, seriously, I do ask them to turn stuff off occassionly. But the
flipside is they ask me to turn MINE off just as often. It's a matter of
courtesy. The only person in the house that never gets asked to shut it
off is my DH who only listens to his shortwave stuff in the basement. My
point though, is that the girls don't think I am calling them stupid
because I don't want to be listening to a certain CD right at that
moment, but that may be because when I say turn it off, I don't yell,
"Turn that crap off" but rather I say, "I'm getting tired of this one."
or "can I have a little quiet for a while?" or "Can you please change
that to something else?" They will then either change it, turn it off or
go to their rooms with it.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat
>musical
> My mom used to come in and say "Turn off that screaming" about any
> musical TV show that wasn't country and western or rock'n'roll. Any
> theatre, classical, opera, got "turn off that screeching" or one ofvery few
> variants on that.See, now if I were going to tell any of mine to turn off that . . .
>
whatever, it would lead to some interesting happenings. Rachel would
drag it over to my mom and they could listen to big band together, or I
would be telling Jenni to turn off music that we fight over because I
want the disc in the craft room and she wants it in the bedroom (we share
a lot! but we really need a cd burner!)
But, seriously, I do ask them to turn stuff off occassionly. But the
flipside is they ask me to turn MINE off just as often. It's a matter of
courtesy. The only person in the house that never gets asked to shut it
off is my DH who only listens to his shortwave stuff in the basement. My
point though, is that the girls don't think I am calling them stupid
because I don't want to be listening to a certain CD right at that
moment, but that may be because when I say turn it off, I don't yell,
"Turn that crap off" but rather I say, "I'm getting tired of this one."
or "can I have a little quiet for a while?" or "Can you please change
that to something else?" They will then either change it, turn it off or
go to their rooms with it.
Bridget
~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat