[email protected]

In a message dated 9/7/01 5:06:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:


> but right
> now his job takes him away from the family during the week. He is only home
> on weekends and sometimes every other weekend.

Johanna: I don't want to be a pain about this but "his job" doesn't take him
anywhere. He chooses to work in a profession that takes him away from his
family. That's not a negative or a positive piece of writing. It's just a
fact. No judgement attached to it. When it becomes more important to spend
time on a consistent daily basis with his family rather than be at work,
he'll do that. Hopefully he'll get there sooner rather than later.

My husband quit a full time secure job with benefits to go to a contract
status so he could work the hours he wants and be with his kids more. Some
of our "friends" thought we were crazy to do this, but our primary purpose is
to be together as a family, to raise our children together, not just me. A
job is a job, is a job, is a job... If you are reasonably clever and
inovative you can come up with one of those pretty quickly. Even though my
husband's in computers he could go out and be a waiter or bartender if he
lost his contract and we'd manage.

Father's being involved as much as possible is an area that I will not waiver
on. Especially when there are boys in the house. Whose going to teach them
to be men? Not me, I'm a woman... I can teach them a lot of things, but not
about being a man.

Dawn
Dawn Falbe
Personal Development Coach
Relocational Astrologer
(520) 579-2646
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
www.astrologerdawn.com
Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose

"The people who get on in this world
are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw

"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."-George
Bernard Shaw





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Johanna SanInocencio

Without knowing the entire situation, your comments smack of judgmentalism
even tough you deny it. We have a family of eight and a waiters job would
bring in about enough to feed our family and buy necessaries, nevermind
housing and utilities. We refuse to put our children in daycare in order for
me to work, and that would also leave homeschooling a very difficult thing.
I agree the dad needs to be around and involved in the family. That is why
we are working on a business that would allow him more time with the family,
but there is some training required and some planning to be done in order
for it to be successful. As parents we also have an obligation to provide
for our children. We only own one car, and try to live simply. His job
decision was not so we could have the house on the hill and three cars in
the garage, it was so there would be food on the table and a solid roof over
our heads. Sometimes to reach a place we want to be we have to go through
places we don't want to stay and this is one of those places. I tears him
every time he has to leave.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: <NumoAstro@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 9:52 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Husband working away


> In a message dated 9/7/01 5:06:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > but right
> > now his job takes him away from the family during the week. He is only
home
> > on weekends and sometimes every other weekend.
>
> Johanna: I don't want to be a pain about this but "his job" doesn't take
him
> anywhere. He chooses to work in a profession that takes him away from his
> family. That's not a negative or a positive piece of writing. It's just
a
> fact. No judgement attached to it. When it becomes more important to
spend
> time on a consistent daily basis with his family rather than be at work,
> he'll do that. Hopefully he'll get there sooner rather than later.
>
> My husband quit a full time secure job with benefits to go to a contract
> status so he could work the hours he wants and be with his kids more.
Some
> of our "friends" thought we were crazy to do this, but our primary purpose
is
> to be together as a family, to raise our children together, not just me.
A
> job is a job, is a job, is a job... If you are reasonably clever and
> inovative you can come up with one of those pretty quickly. Even though
my
> husband's in computers he could go out and be a waiter or bartender if he
> lost his contract and we'd manage.
>
> Father's being involved as much as possible is an area that I will not
waiver
> on. Especially when there are boys in the house. Whose going to teach
them
> to be men? Not me, I'm a woman... I can teach them a lot of things, but
not
> about being a man.
>
> Dawn
> Dawn Falbe
> Personal Development Coach
> Relocational Astrologer
> (520) 579-2646
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
> www.astrologerdawn.com
> Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
>
> "The people who get on in this world
> are people who get up and look for the
> circumstances they want, and,
> if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
>
> "The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in
school."-George
> Bernard Shaw
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Dawn

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Johanna SanInocencio"
<saninocencio@c...> wrote:
We have a family of eight and a waiters job would
> bring in about enough to feed our family and buy necessaries,
nevermind
> housing and utilities. We refuse to put our children in daycare in
order for
> me to work, and that would also leave homeschooling a very
difficult thing.
> I agree the dad needs to be around and involved in the family. That
is why
> we are working on a business that would allow him more time with
the family,
> but there is some training required and some planning to be done in
order
> for it to be successful. As parents we also have an obligation to
provide
> for our children. We only own one car, and try to live simply. His
job
> decision was not so we could have the house on the hill and three
cars in
> the garage, it was so there would be food on the table and a solid
roof over
> our heads. Sometimes to reach a place we want to be we have to go
through
> places we don't want to stay and this is one of those places. I
tears him
> every time he has to leave.
> Johanna

Wow you sound so defensive of the choices your husband has made to
leave his family. When my husband got out of the airforce 5 years
ago we make a whopping $156 a week on unemployment that he was
entitled too. We bought a house with an $800 mortgage payment. I
wasn't going to dump my child in daycare and decided to start a
business that would work around my child. My husband switched
professions and had to start at the bottom of the ladder. We racked
up tons of bills, so what... creditors calling all the time. Missed
a couple of mortgage payments, but the ultimate goal of one of us
being at home with our son and then sons all the time was
accomplished. Now we are debt free and credit card friendly, no late
payments for 2 years and still husband quits a steady job to go
contracting so he can be with his kids.

Now this is the kind of faith in God that I'd really love to see
religous people have. My experience, and it is extensive with people
who profess to be very religious, is that they are fear based. Now
I'm sure that's not all of them. But the ones I've encountered have
no faith that God will take care of them if they change their
lifestyle and step out on a limb.

I have utter faith in God that I will be taken care of no matter what
and that cannot be shaken.

Dawn

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:02:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
saninocencio@... writes:


> Sometimes to reach a place we want to be we have to go through
> places we don't want to stay and this is one of those places. I tears him
> every time he has to leave.
> Johanna
>

Johanna,

Just wanted to say I hope that your situation is able to change very soon,
and I know you are doing everything you know how to do the best for your
chidren. When the time is right, the opportunities will open up to you. . .
I really believe that.

lovemary


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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:45:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:


> I have utter faith in God that I will be taken care of no matter what
> and that cannot be shaken.
>
> Dawn
>

I have that too (at least most of the time :). . . seriously though, you
bring up some good points. . . .trust and faith that you will be provided
for, call it god, the universe, a higher power, whatever. Oftentimes, you
have to close a door before another opens up. This topic is very relelvant to
me right now as we may be getting ready to close on of those doors I am
talking about and take a leap of faith on a new business. It's not that my
husband is away that much at all but a home business would keep us all
together so much more.. . . anyway, I need to keep focuesd on trusting . . .

lovemary


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Bridget E Coffman

On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:09:53 -0500 "Johanna SanInocencio"
<saninocencio@...> writes:
> Without knowing the entire situation, your comments smack of
> judgmentalism even tough you deny it.

I thought so too. My husband works ore than he wants to because we
absolutely NEED health coverage. This is not some luxury. My scips
alone are $350/month without coverage plus there are monthly blood tests.
So, not every father 'works until he feels it is important to be home'
some of them tear themselves apart trying to provide! and we should not
treat them like bad fathers because of it.

Bridget

~~~~If electricity comes from electrons...does that mean that morality
comes from morons?~~~~
I sent my Soul through the Invisible,
Some letter of that After-life to spell;
And by and by my Soul returned to me,
And answered, "I Myself am Heaven and Hell." -- The Rubaiyat

[email protected]

In a message dated 09/08/2001 12:32:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lite2yu@...
writes:


> > I have utter faith in God that I will be taken care of no matter what
> > and that cannot be shaken.
> >
> > Dawn
> >
>
> I have that too (at least most of the time :). . . seriously though, you
> bring up some good points. . . .trust and faith that you will be provided
>



And to think that Mr. Farris thinks unschoolers and Christianity don't mix!
(Saw him on CNN the other night and, after he said this and that every hser
should have some sort of basic curriculum, he stopped sounding so balanced to
me -- he was really trying to be neutral up until then, I thought. He just
couldn't quite pull it off.)

Nance



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[email protected]

In a message dated 9/7/01 8:52:56 PM, NumoAstro@... writes:

<< > but right
> now his job takes him away from the family during the week. He is only home
> on weekends and sometimes every other weekend. >>

My husband went to Minneapolis four and a half years ago, for a six month
contract. The pay was great, and the contract included airfare for me and
the kids to visit him every three months, and he could come home once a
month. (Or we could have moved out there, which we declined.)

He worked his schedule so that his one visit home lasted ten to twelve days
each month, and the kids and I got to see a part of the country we wouldn't
have been to otherwise.

The contract was extended a year. We still didn't want to move, and we cut
down on our visits out there to save money (taxes on the airfare, and the
cost of wining and dining kids for a long weekend). My husband lived in a
dinky apartment instead of the fancy one the per diem allowed for, and ate
cheap food instead of the restaurant food the per diem allowed for. We all
talked on the phone lots. He would have liked for us to move out there at
that point, but we had bought a new house, big and not expensive, and I
didn't want to lose this house.

They extended it twice more, and finally I said "Please come home."

Some things were rough when he got back, because he was frustrated with the
loss of income (he still had his job here, because they had been contracting
him out to the other company in Minneapolis) and it not being "his house"
(since we'd been here so much more), but it's all sweet and good now.

We could have all gone with him at the time, and maybe we should have. But
it was a decision we agreed on for reasons we kept checking on, and it was
never intended to last forever.

There were some serious benefits to us, and some risk, which we weathered.

Sandra

"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd

Diane

It's true! We didn't get this new great job until after we'd cut the ropes of the
old horrible job.

:-) Diane

lite2yu@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:45:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> NumoAstro@... writes:
>
> > I have utter faith in God that I will be taken care of no matter what
> > and that cannot be shaken.
> >
> > Dawn
> >
>
> I have that too (at least most of the time :). . . seriously though, you
> bring up some good points. . . .trust and faith that you will be provided
> for, call it god, the universe, a higher power, whatever. Oftentimes, you
> have to close a door before another opens up. This topic is very relelvant to
> me right now as we may be getting ready to close on of those doors I am
> talking about and take a leap of faith on a new business. It's not that my
> husband is away that much at all but a home business would keep us all
> together so much more.. . . anyway, I need to keep focuesd on trusting . . .
>
> lovemary

Dawn

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Bridget E Coffman
<rumpleteasermom@j...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 00:09:53 -0500 "Johanna SanInocencio"
> <saninocencio@c...> writes:
> > Without knowing the entire situation, your comments smack of
> > judgmentalism even tough you deny it.
>
> I thought so too. My husband works ore than he wants to because we
> absolutely NEED health coverage. This is not some luxury. My scips
> alone are $350/month without coverage plus there are monthly blood
tests.
> So, not every father 'works until he feels it is important to be
home'
> some of them tear themselves apart trying to provide! and we should
not
> treat them like bad fathers because of it.
>
> Bridget

FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away from the family.
Where you work is a choice.

Dawn

[email protected]

<< FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away from the family.
Where you work is a choice. >>

Too simplified for most real life.
There are needs and requirements and priorities and if a wife isn't going to
follow her husband to every job anywhere (which isn't a totally unreasonable
suggestion, in general) then sometimes a husband (or a wife) is going to
leave for a while to get money. It has always happened, throughout history.
At least now there are phones and e-mail.

When I go to a homeschooling conference and somebody pays me to speak, I
leave my family. (Sometimes I take Holly.) I don't choose it without
discussing it. I'm gone four or five days sometimes. If I got an offer to
teach for a week or two out of town for money and we needed money, I'd
probably do it. If it was close, I'd take my kids, but Kirby wouldn't want
to go (and he has a job now too).

I wouldn't just say "No, I will not leave my family."

Is leaving only if it's five days straight? A month? A year?

If I stay home and indirectly from that fifteen or twenty other moms give up
on unschooling and put their kids back in school, wasn't the overall benefit
to society less because I stayed with my kids those two or four days?

"It depends."

Sandra

"Everything counts."
http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
http://expage.com/SandraDodd

Bonni Sollars

That is so amazing. I have only recently been learning about and
convinced of unschooling. It has really taught me a lot about all this.
I am learning how society in general has brainwashed us all into
believing that we have to be so secure with benefits, etc. and retirement
so that we lock ourselves into these job situations which do not make us
happy. My husband works for himself and for years it has bothered me not
having "security". But because of the concepts of unschooling I am
unlearning these falsities. (I work a job that allows me to be at home
with my kids and gives me benefits and retirement investments and
"security", but I am thinking of quitting so I can just be happy and do
those things that make me happy.)
Bonni

Bonni Sollars

Amen to that! Unfortunately, most of us believe in God with our mouths
but not with our actions. I am speaking of myself, of course. I have
found that most people see God through the glasses of their childhood
experiences with earthly fathers, who are not perfect, and respond to him
likewise. Sanctification is the process in which we unlearn these false
assumptions and are transformed into the likeness of Christ who trusted
his Father God's love to the point of dying on a cross, for the joy to
come. But this doesn't happen overnight, and sometimes, if we refuse to
change, it never happens.
Bonni- a Christian:)

Bonni Sollars

Dawn,I am really learning a lot about this. For so long I couldn't agree
with my husband's way of life, self employment, and because I couldn't
agree emotionally or mentally, we couldn't work together to make any way
of life successful.
Bonni

[email protected]

In a message dated 9/8/2001 9:48:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
marbleface@... writes:


> And to think that Mr. Farris thinks unschoolers and Christianity don't mix!

Well Nance, just to clear it up. . . "I" am not a Chrisitan in that I don't
believe I need to accept Jesus as my saviour, if that is a requirement for
it. But I am very spiritual and believe Jesus was one really cool dude :)

lovemary


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Johanna SanInocencio

me too. That is what I was trying to say. God has taken us very far in our
life. Dawn made a comment, to the effect that our faith is weak because we
don't just step out and change. If you only knew the changes our family has
gone through in the past 6 years, you might be a little more compassionate.
I don't feel I need to share the details right now.At the time he made this
job choice, it was God leading him there. He was working two full time jobs
and never home except to sleep.This job allowed us to get away from an
oppressive living situation, to where we could make the good choices for our
family. It is in God's timing and I am trusting Him to the details.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: <lite2yu@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Husband working away


> In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:02:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> saninocencio@... writes:
>
>
> > Sometimes to reach a place we want to be we have to go through
> > places we don't want to stay and this is one of those places. I tears
him
> > every time he has to leave.
> > Johanna
> >
>
> Johanna,
>
> Just wanted to say I hope that your situation is able to change very soon,
> and I know you are doing everything you know how to do the best for your
> chidren. When the time is right, the opportunities will open up to you. .
.
> I really believe that.
>
> lovemary
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Bonni Sollars

Johanna, I think that is really wonderful. I am learning that many
choices are for temporary situations, and we don't have to feel trapped.
I am trying to overcome my childhood insecurities and to stop trying to
create a permanent environment of safety. God is alive and living and
moving us in new directions that bring us happiness and fulfillment, and
sometimes pressures that help us grow; not static like a machine. I am
not there yet, but these unschooling emails are really confirming this
for me.
Bonni

Helen Hegener

At 9:47 AM -0400 9/8/01, marbleface@... wrote:
>And to think that Mr. Farris thinks unschoolers and Christianity don't mix!
>(Saw him on CNN the other night and, after he said this and that every hser
>should have some sort of basic curriculum, he stopped sounding so balanced to
>me -- he was really trying to be neutral up until then, I thought. He just
>couldn't quite pull it off.)

Leopards rarely change their spots.

Helen

Dawn

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> << FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away from the
family.
> Where you work is a choice. >>
>
> Too simplified for most real life.
> There are needs and requirements and priorities>

Life is simple Sandra.... it's us humans that make it complicated. I
would love to have someone dispute how work is NOT a choice. Most of
the things we do in life are based on the choices that we make.
Whether they are beneficial to ourselves, our families, friends or
whoever, we may not know the answer to that till further down the
line. However there are still choices. Maybe the difference is
really about what's important to the individual family.
Unfortunately the western culture has come to adore and admire money
more than anything. Money is not the most important thing in our
family. Being together is what's important for us. For other people
maybe that's not the most important thing. That's ok as well. There
are so many alternative ways to make life work, bartering, trading
are just two of them. I believe I can set my life up the way I want
it (I'm not using the you because others on the list may take
offense). Hubby and I decided on what we wanted our dream life to
look like and then set about making it look that way. There wasn't
any difficulty in the action part once we'd made the decision of how
we wanted it to look. Why does it have to be so complicated?

Dawn

[email protected]

<< Unfortunately the western culture has come to adore and admire money
more than anything. Money is not the most important thing in our
family. >>

We really wanted a house.
Didn't seem too materialistic, all things considered.

We could have been together on the street or in a little apartment, but we
wouldn't have been together as happily and peacefully as we are here.

Some people are in the military. They don't get the luxury of being with
their children (if they have children) until their service is through. I
don't fault that.

There has never been a time and place in western civilization when people who
weren't peasants didn't have an option to go somewhere sometime for the
benefit of their families--sailors, soldiers, merchants, sometimes have to go
to work overnight or over-season. It's nothing recent and immoral and
irresponsible.

So what is that limit? A weekend? A year?

I'm really curious.

Sandra



Sandra

"Everything counts."
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[email protected]

In a message dated 09/08/2001 7:53:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
saninocencio@... writes:


> . If you only knew the changes our family has
> gone through in the past 6 years, you might be a little more compassionate.
>


Whether you are directed by God or your checkbook, it is nobody else's place
to tell you how to arrange your family's finances.

Good luck.

Nance


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[email protected]

In a message dated 09/08/2001 10:17:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
HEM-Editor@... writes:

<< t 9:47 AM -0400 9/8/01, marbleface@... wrote:
>And to think that Mr. Farris thinks unschoolers and Christianity don't mix!
>(Saw him on CNN the other night and, after he said this and that every hser
>should have some sort of basic curriculum, he stopped sounding so balanced
to
>me -- he was really trying to be neutral up until then, I thought. He just
>couldn't quite pull it off.)

Leopards rarely change their spots.

Helen >>
Hmmmm Is this why Elissa and I can't get our foot in the door at Crosswalk?
LOL
Teri

Johanna SanInocencio

Thank you Sandra. I have been trying to express this. We had tried other
options and it did not work out. His current job situation will not be long
term and we had discussed and agreed to the current situation. We have goals
and plans and are working towards them.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Husband working away


>
> << FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away from the family.
> Where you work is a choice. >>
>
> Too simplified for most real life.
> There are needs and requirements and priorities and if a wife isn't going
to
> follow her husband to every job anywhere (which isn't a totally
unreasonable
> suggestion, in general) then sometimes a husband (or a wife) is going to
> leave for a while to get money. It has always happened, throughout
history.
> At least now there are phones and e-mail.
>
> When I go to a homeschooling conference and somebody pays me to speak, I
> leave my family. (Sometimes I take Holly.) I don't choose it without
> discussing it. I'm gone four or five days sometimes. If I got an offer
to
> teach for a week or two out of town for money and we needed money, I'd
> probably do it. If it was close, I'd take my kids, but Kirby wouldn't
want
> to go (and he has a job now too).
>
> I wouldn't just say "No, I will not leave my family."
>
> Is leaving only if it's five days straight? A month? A year?
>
> If I stay home and indirectly from that fifteen or twenty other moms give
up
> on unschooling and put their kids back in school, wasn't the overall
benefit
> to society less because I stayed with my kids those two or four days?
>
> "It depends."
>
> Sandra
>
> "Everything counts."
> http://expage.com/SandraDoddArticles
> http://expage.com/SandraDodd
>
>
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In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:42:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
NumoAstro@... writes:


> There wasn't
> any difficulty in the action part once we'd made the decision of how
> we wanted it to look. Why does it have to be so complicated?
>

It doesnt Dawn and it isn't . . . unless we choose it to be. That's the
beauty of it all. . . we get to choose, and then choose again if we want to.

lovemary


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jefferson academy

My husband works ore than he
> wants to because we
> > absolutely NEED health coverage. This is not some
> luxury. My scips
> > alone are $350/month without coverage plus there
> are monthly blood
> tests.
> > So, not every father 'works until he feels it is
> important to be
> home'
> > some of them tear themselves apart trying to
> provide! and we should
> not
> > treat them like bad fathers because of it.
> >
> > Bridget
>
> FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away
> from the family.
> Where you work is a choice.

Some people have very limited choices when they *must*
support a family and maintain insurance. He may not be
able to find another position that pay enough and
provide insurance. I know some have written that they
left jobs and nearly went broke and now are better off
than ever. Great! Really! - But that doesn't always
happen. It's good to look for another position if he
wants to be home more, but IMO it would be wisest to
keep the job you've got until you've got another (if
you have the responsibility of supporting a family etc.)

=====
Michele
(mom of 5dd: Justice 22, Felicity 20, Christian 18, Grace 13, Elysian (Mia)2)

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On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 15:36:30 -0000 "Dawn" <NumoAstro@...> writes:
>
> FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him away from the family.
> Where you work is a choice.
>
> Dawn
>

Boy, the job market must be a lot better where you live than it is here!

Bridget

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Some letter of that After-life to spell;
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In a message dated 9/8/01 12:53:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
saninocencio@... writes:


> Dawn made a comment, to the effect that our faith is weak because we
> don't just step out and change

I didn't say any such thing.... To have a family intact first before worrying
where the money is coming from is having faith. To put jobs and money above
family is not faith. IMHO

I don't know how much plainer or in English to say this. It's still a
choice... There's no negative or positive, just a choice... Everyone makes
choices.... Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

Dawn
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In a message dated 9/8/01 1:41:18 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
lite2yu@... writes:


>
> In a message dated 9/8/2001 1:42:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> NumoAstro@... writes:
>
>
> > There wasn't
> > any difficulty in the action part once we'd made the decision of how
> > we wanted it to look. Why does it have to be so complicated?
> >
>
> It doesnt Dawn and it isn't . . . unless we choose it to be. That's the
> beauty of it all. . . we get to choose, and then choose again if we want to.
>
>

Good point lovemary....

Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dawn Falbe
Personal Development Coach
Relocational Astrologer
(520) 579-2646
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
www.astrologerdawn.com
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are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
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Sharon Rudd

As Zorba said "Hands, feet, head, they do the work.
Who the hell am I to choose?" Quite often in this
world some of us do what we have to. Only becuase we
have to. I'm glad you said "most" not all.
Sharon

--- Dawn <NumoAstro@...> wrote:
> --- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a...
> wrote:
> >
> > << FACT: Husband chooses a job that takes him
> away from the
> family.
> > Where you work is a choice. >>
> >
> > Too simplified for most real life.
> > There are needs and requirements and priorities>
>
> Life is simple Sandra.... it's us humans that make
> it complicated. I
> would love to have someone dispute how work is NOT a
> choice. Most of
> the things we do in life are based on the choices
> that we make.


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In a message dated 9/8/2001 10:40:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rumpleteasermom@... writes:


> Boy, the job market must be a lot better where you live than it is here!
>
>

It has absolutely nothing to do with job market. . . it is choice just as
Dawn said. . . we make choices every single day . . . we choose or our
husband chooses to work where they do, doing what they do. I was a single mom
unschooling for many years. I chose my job. . . by doing anything and
everything I could do so that I could have my daughter with me. I chose it. .
. . I could have chosen differently and put her in school, and that would
have been okay too, but I believe Dawn's message is we are not victims of the
economy or anything else. We make choices about who we are, and how we show
up in the world.

lovemary


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