Racist
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In a message dated 9/1/01 12:31:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
use different wallets for fear of getting shot by the police... I guess this
country isn't as educated as I thought it was....
Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
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are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
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Bernard Shaw
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[email protected] writes:
> Keep in mind the number of people (mostly men of color) who have been shotIsn't that terrible that we live in a country where people of color have to
> by
> police when reaching for a wallet or carrying a candy bar, and been cleared
> because they thought it was a gun. Actually, Michael Moore did a great
> piece
> offering black people in NYC bright orange wallets to replace their black
> and
> brown ones, so the police couldn't get confused. They also counselled
> people
> on their candy bar choices. (Brown wrapped Hershey bar--dangerous...better
> a
> Nestle Crunch with the Blue wrapper!)
>
use different wallets for fear of getting shot by the police... I guess this
country isn't as educated as I thought it was....
Dawn
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dawn Falbe
Personal Development Coach
Relocational Astrologer
(520) 579-2646
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
www.astrologerdawn.com
Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
"The people who get on in this world
are people who get up and look for the
circumstances they want, and,
if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
"The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in school."-George
Bernard Shaw
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Lynda
The legal system encourages it, so it trickles down through the various
layers of law enforcement. There is also a huge fear factor and natural
instincts that predicate knee jerk reactions. They are continually
bombarded with news of "perps" shooting other officers and the majority of
the shooters are folks "of color." Auto reaction is to think that they are
going to be shooters.
Lynda
layers of law enforcement. There is also a huge fear factor and natural
instincts that predicate knee jerk reactions. They are continually
bombarded with news of "perps" shooting other officers and the majority of
the shooters are folks "of color." Auto reaction is to think that they are
going to be shooters.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <NumoAstro@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 6:37 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Racist
> In a message dated 9/1/01 12:31:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
>
> > Keep in mind the number of people (mostly men of color) who have been
shot
> > by
> > police when reaching for a wallet or carrying a candy bar, and been
cleared
> > because they thought it was a gun. Actually, Michael Moore did a great
> > piece
> > offering black people in NYC bright orange wallets to replace their
black
> > and
> > brown ones, so the police couldn't get confused. They also counselled
> > people
> > on their candy bar choices. (Brown wrapped Hershey
bar--dangerous...better
> > a
> > Nestle Crunch with the Blue wrapper!)
> >
>
> Isn't that terrible that we live in a country where people of color have
to
> use different wallets for fear of getting shot by the police... I guess
this
> country isn't as educated as I thought it was....
>
> Dawn
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dawn Falbe
> Personal Development Coach
> Relocational Astrologer
> (520) 579-2646
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> The Path of Least Resistance is Inside of You
> www.astrologerdawn.com
> Enlightening women on how to live their Soul Purpose
>
> "The people who get on in this world
> are people who get up and look for the
> circumstances they want, and,
> if they can't find them, make them." - George Bernard Shaw
>
> "The only time my education was interrupted was when I was in
school."-George
> Bernard Shaw
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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coyote's corner
If somebody comes in and robs you of your culture & tries to replace it with values & religions that aren't real, how would you react?
If everything you believe in is challenged and/or destroyed, how would you behave?
If your language was outlawed?
If your children were kidnapped and forced to live a thousand miles away, would you drink?
If your children, taken at the age of 7 and sent away to be made "white", are lost to you forever, what do you do?
If you know - for a fact - that if a white rapes you - and you speak up - you will be killed - what do you do?
If you can count the number of female relatives that haven't been sterilized - how do you behave?
(Fact; 1968 - American Indians are allowed to vote in Florida)
As for reservations - did you know that there have to be a certain number of carded American Indians on the rez? If not, the nation looses the land.
Did American Indians decide on the carding system?
Did American Indians decide that the Ghost Dance is illegal?
When a white walks down the street, she can wear what she wants to portray her life - she can be 'wealthy' or 'hippie'; she can be many things.
When an American Indian walks down the street, there is no putting another face on. You are American Indian.
How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman?
janis
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If everything you believe in is challenged and/or destroyed, how would you behave?
If your language was outlawed?
If your children were kidnapped and forced to live a thousand miles away, would you drink?
If your children, taken at the age of 7 and sent away to be made "white", are lost to you forever, what do you do?
If you know - for a fact - that if a white rapes you - and you speak up - you will be killed - what do you do?
If you can count the number of female relatives that haven't been sterilized - how do you behave?
(Fact; 1968 - American Indians are allowed to vote in Florida)
As for reservations - did you know that there have to be a certain number of carded American Indians on the rez? If not, the nation looses the land.
Did American Indians decide on the carding system?
Did American Indians decide that the Ghost Dance is illegal?
When a white walks down the street, she can wear what she wants to portray her life - she can be 'wealthy' or 'hippie'; she can be many things.
When an American Indian walks down the street, there is no putting another face on. You are American Indian.
How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman?
janis
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Kelly Lenhart
>How many generations should go by before people stop living in the past?How
>many people should become furious at ME, who was born in 1953, about thingsWell, this adress part of Janis' point. I'm a first gen American on my
>that happened in 1400, 1600, 1800?
dad's side. He was born in a DP camp in Germany. And my mom's family was
busy dying in droves that generation. (Polish and Russian Jews.) MY
ancestors didn't do a damn thing to indigenous people in the US.
But, as a citizen NOW I am responsible for knowing about that history and
making political and social decisions based on it. Now, I make the same
choice as you in this case--I won't avoid a book just because that group
doesn't like it. But I'm no less responsible for knowing why they think
that way.
>And who is blaming whom for government schools?day
>Is this list not pretty thoroughly people who are opposed to separation of
>parents from children and from compulsory attendance even in neighborhood
>schools?Ok, that's not a bad point.
>Can some of this vitriolic reaction to Indian in the Cupboard be doused andSure, but I think that doing your own work to make decisions is part of
>can we get back to unschooling?
unschooling, no? Understanding other's feelings and needs is part of
unschooling, no? How we model this things to our children is part of
unschooling, no?
Kelly
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In a message dated 5/15/03 6:57:56 AM, jana@... writes:
<< How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman? >>
If I've read a book and another person hasn't, we're in the same situation as
someone who knows nothing about unschooling telling an unschooler what it is,
as regards that book.
And we DO need to be talking about unschooling.
The original recommendations seemed to be books to avoid because of
portrayals of Indians.
IF people are going to forbid/discourage/make unavailable Indian in the
Cupboard without having read it, what's the difference between that and a
fundamentalist Christian who KNOWS Harry Potter is evil without having read
it, because his minister said so?
<<When an American Indian walks down the street, there is no putting another
face on. You are American Indian.>>
That is not my experience in New Mexico.
It may be that in Rhode Island or Ohio or Florida it's different.
<<How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman?>>
American Indian women do not own the concept or the term "racist."
And I will not be pressed to agree with someone or be seen ignorant just
because that person claims ownership of a concept. This is the point of The
Emperor's New Clothes.
If someone says "Only the ignorant would disagree that this book is racist,"
then ANYONE who says "Oh, yes! Very racist!" just to avoid seeming ignorant
is in collusion.
Another person on this list who identified herself as Indian for being part
(which I know is totally legal to 1/4, but that doesn't mean the person isn't
3/4 non-Indian and ignoring those parts is a special oddity common among
those who like to claim to know all to be known about racism) accused me of
racism on this list for asking her to document some claims which were simple
"facts" according to her. It wasn't right then and it's not right now.
Who made the argument about Japan? I honestly don't remember. It was before
I left town for the weekend and it was lost in the flow. I know a fair
amount about the Ainu, the group before the current Japanese, who were pushed
north by the migration.
How many generations should go by before people stop living in the past? How
many people should become furious at ME, who was born in 1953, about things
that happened in 1400, 1600, 1800? Someone here's claiming righteous anger
about what Christians did to her ancestors!? WHEN? 1500 years ago? Nobody
can be so sure who their ancestors were 1500 years ago. And if some future
genetics testing proves one person's purity back 1500 years to a certain town
and place, who owed them compensation for a language change 1500 years ago?
And who is blaming whom for government schools?
Is this list not pretty thoroughly people who are opposed to separation of
parents from children and from compulsory attendance even in neighborhood day
schools?
Can some of this vitriolic reaction to Indian in the Cupboard be doused and
can we get back to unschooling?
Sandra
<< How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman? >>
If I've read a book and another person hasn't, we're in the same situation as
someone who knows nothing about unschooling telling an unschooler what it is,
as regards that book.
And we DO need to be talking about unschooling.
The original recommendations seemed to be books to avoid because of
portrayals of Indians.
IF people are going to forbid/discourage/make unavailable Indian in the
Cupboard without having read it, what's the difference between that and a
fundamentalist Christian who KNOWS Harry Potter is evil without having read
it, because his minister said so?
<<When an American Indian walks down the street, there is no putting another
face on. You are American Indian.>>
That is not my experience in New Mexico.
It may be that in Rhode Island or Ohio or Florida it's different.
<<How can you say what is racist to an Amnerican Indian woman?>>
American Indian women do not own the concept or the term "racist."
And I will not be pressed to agree with someone or be seen ignorant just
because that person claims ownership of a concept. This is the point of The
Emperor's New Clothes.
If someone says "Only the ignorant would disagree that this book is racist,"
then ANYONE who says "Oh, yes! Very racist!" just to avoid seeming ignorant
is in collusion.
Another person on this list who identified herself as Indian for being part
(which I know is totally legal to 1/4, but that doesn't mean the person isn't
3/4 non-Indian and ignoring those parts is a special oddity common among
those who like to claim to know all to be known about racism) accused me of
racism on this list for asking her to document some claims which were simple
"facts" according to her. It wasn't right then and it's not right now.
Who made the argument about Japan? I honestly don't remember. It was before
I left town for the weekend and it was lost in the flow. I know a fair
amount about the Ainu, the group before the current Japanese, who were pushed
north by the migration.
How many generations should go by before people stop living in the past? How
many people should become furious at ME, who was born in 1953, about things
that happened in 1400, 1600, 1800? Someone here's claiming righteous anger
about what Christians did to her ancestors!? WHEN? 1500 years ago? Nobody
can be so sure who their ancestors were 1500 years ago. And if some future
genetics testing proves one person's purity back 1500 years to a certain town
and place, who owed them compensation for a language change 1500 years ago?
And who is blaming whom for government schools?
Is this list not pretty thoroughly people who are opposed to separation of
parents from children and from compulsory attendance even in neighborhood day
schools?
Can some of this vitriolic reaction to Indian in the Cupboard be doused and
can we get back to unschooling?
Sandra