Sandra
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I loved the answer!
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Bridget E Coffman
I'd like to direct your attention to post #25250.
Bridget
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Bridget
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:34:00 EST^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> From: SandraDodd@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1589
>
> In a message dated 11/16/01 9:14:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> fuerst@... writes:
>
>
> > Her input is often helpful...yet she
> >
>
> I don't flame people at all. I ask questions about statements made
> and
> issues on the table. I'm trying to discuss the ideas and practices
> and
> theories and problems, not the people writing.
>
> There are a few people who jump on me, by name. I'm interested in
> information and unschooling, not individuals.
>
> Sandra
>
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Kelli Traaseth
I was just wondering if anyone had talked to Sandra, I just heard that an airplane landing in Texas, yesterday, had to make an emergency landing? Hope all is well!
Kelli
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In a message dated 10/4/02 10:41:26 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
<<
I was just wondering if anyone had talked to Sandra, I just heard that an
airplane landing in Texas, yesterday, had to make an emergency landing?
Hope all is well! >>
Tadaa!
(I'm here again.)
Wasn't any plane I was on.
It did seem to take me forever to get home. I was at the airport hours early
(so I could get a ride, and I didn't mind, because I'm reading a good book),
and then both plane left late and detoured around storms, so we landed in ABQ
at 6:40 or so instead of 4:30. I took my poor patient friend (who hadn't
called ahead, but just sat in the airport chatting with strangers and reading
the paper all that time) to dinner and came home and got in bed and stayed
until this morning.
I'm deleting the junk e-mail in preparation for reading through the good
stuff. I'll be redundant and behind on everything for a few days, and then
I'll leave for South Carolina and it will happen again. <G>
Sandra
<<
I was just wondering if anyone had talked to Sandra, I just heard that an
airplane landing in Texas, yesterday, had to make an emergency landing?
Hope all is well! >>
Tadaa!
(I'm here again.)
Wasn't any plane I was on.
It did seem to take me forever to get home. I was at the airport hours early
(so I could get a ride, and I didn't mind, because I'm reading a good book),
and then both plane left late and detoured around storms, so we landed in ABQ
at 6:40 or so instead of 4:30. I took my poor patient friend (who hadn't
called ahead, but just sat in the airport chatting with strangers and reading
the paper all that time) to dinner and came home and got in bed and stayed
until this morning.
I'm deleting the junk e-mail in preparation for reading through the good
stuff. I'll be redundant and behind on everything for a few days, and then
I'll leave for South Carolina and it will happen again. <G>
Sandra
kayb85
I'm glad you had a safe trip.
Any more good tapes for us to order from these latest conferences?
<g> I just got the HSC tapes in the mail and I'm devouring them.
Sheila
Any more good tapes for us to order from these latest conferences?
<g> I just got the HSC tapes in the mail and I'm devouring them.
Sheila
> I'm deleting the junk e-mail in preparation for reading through thegood
> stuff. I'll be redundant and behind on everything for a few days,and then
> I'll leave for South Carolina and it will happen again. <G>
>
> Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 10/7/02 8:58:51 AM, sheran@... writes:
<< Any more good tapes for us to order from these latest conferences?
<g> I just got the HSC tapes in the mail and I'm devouring them.
I'm glad you're liking those. Did you get Peaceful Parenting? I like that
one.
Sandra
<< Any more good tapes for us to order from these latest conferences?
<g> I just got the HSC tapes in the mail and I'm devouring them.
>>I think there might be more after next weekend. Nothing new from Houston.
I'm glad you're liking those. Did you get Peaceful Parenting? I like that
one.
Sandra
Kelli Traaseth
Sandra,
Glad you had a safe trip, it just kind-of scared me. I'm a worry wart. Recovering from a controlling family you know!
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 10/4/02 10:41:26 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
<<
I was just wondering if anyone had talked to Sandra, I just heard that an
airplane landing in Texas, yesterday, had to make an emergency landing?
Hope all is well! >>
Tadaa!
(I'm here again.)
Wasn't any plane I was on.
It did seem to take me forever to get home. I was at the airport hours early
(so I could get a ride, and I didn't mind, because I'm reading a good book),
and then both plane left late and detoured around storms, so we landed in ABQ
at 6:40 or so instead of 4:30. I took my poor patient friend (who hadn't
called ahead, but just sat in the airport chatting with strangers and reading
the paper all that time) to dinner and came home and got in bed and stayed
until this morning.
I'm deleting the junk e-mail in preparation for reading through the good
stuff. I'll be redundant and behind on everything for a few days, and then
I'll leave for South Carolina and it will happen again. <G>
Sandra
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Glad you had a safe trip, it just kind-of scared me. I'm a worry wart. Recovering from a controlling family you know!
Kelli
SandraDodd@... wrote:
In a message dated 10/4/02 10:41:26 AM, kellitraas@... writes:
<<
I was just wondering if anyone had talked to Sandra, I just heard that an
airplane landing in Texas, yesterday, had to make an emergency landing?
Hope all is well! >>
Tadaa!
(I'm here again.)
Wasn't any plane I was on.
It did seem to take me forever to get home. I was at the airport hours early
(so I could get a ride, and I didn't mind, because I'm reading a good book),
and then both plane left late and detoured around storms, so we landed in ABQ
at 6:40 or so instead of 4:30. I took my poor patient friend (who hadn't
called ahead, but just sat in the airport chatting with strangers and reading
the paper all that time) to dinner and came home and got in bed and stayed
until this morning.
I'm deleting the junk e-mail in preparation for reading through the good
stuff. I'll be redundant and behind on everything for a few days, and then
I'll leave for South Carolina and it will happen again. <G>
Sandra
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kayb85
I've been trying to figure out what happened with that! lol I know I
wanted it, I thought I had ordered it, but I didn't get it. I'll
have to re-order it. In the meantime, I've listened to both of the
Mathematical Joy tapes, the Unschooling panel, and the video tape
one. ALL very good.
My husband especially enjoyed the video game tape. He has always
been into video tapes and would have loved to have been allowed to
stay home from school and get into video games and different kinds of
computer things. Right now he's in a state job that he hates but
gives him good pay and security, and at least he'll get to retire
early. (I think when he's 50). But he often wonders how different his
life would have been if his parents had that attitude toward video
games.
Sheila
wanted it, I thought I had ordered it, but I didn't get it. I'll
have to re-order it. In the meantime, I've listened to both of the
Mathematical Joy tapes, the Unschooling panel, and the video tape
one. ALL very good.
My husband especially enjoyed the video game tape. He has always
been into video tapes and would have loved to have been allowed to
stay home from school and get into video games and different kinds of
computer things. Right now he's in a state job that he hates but
gives him good pay and security, and at least he'll get to retire
early. (I think when he's 50). But he often wonders how different his
life would have been if his parents had that attitude toward video
games.
Sheila
> I'm glad you're liking those. Did you get Peaceful Parenting? Ilike that
> one.
>
> Sandra
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In a message dated 10/9/2002 10:46:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sheran@... writes:
Thanks!
Amy Kagey
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sheran@... writes:
>Could someone please send me info on ordering these tapes?
>
> I've been trying to figure out what happened with that! lol I know I
> wanted it, I thought I had ordered it, but I didn't get it. I'll
> have to re-order it. In the meantime, I've listened to both of the
> Mathematical Joy tapes, the Unschooling panel, and the video tape
> one. ALL very good.
>
Thanks!
Amy Kagey
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Is there a website for orders? TIA! I must have missed it along the way.
Barb E
on 10/9/02 11:09 AM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
Barb E
on 10/9/02 11:09 AM, [email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:46:22 -0000
> From: "kayb85" <sheran@...>
> Subject: Re: Sandra
>
>
> I've been trying to figure out what happened with that! lol I know I
> wanted it, I thought I had ordered it, but I didn't get it. I'll
> have to re-order it. In the meantime, I've listened to both of the
> Mathematical Joy tapes, the Unschooling panel, and the video tape
> one. ALL very good.
[email protected]
Sandra darling...........
You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
bible , like the book of Thomas. etc..
Well, when my hardrive crashed a couple of months ago, I realize that I lost
that link and have been trying to find it.
I was hoping that I would find it written somewhere.
If there is no trouble, could you send that link again?
THanks Hon......
Kim
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You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
bible , like the book of Thomas. etc..
Well, when my hardrive crashed a couple of months ago, I realize that I lost
that link and have been trying to find it.
I was hoping that I would find it written somewhere.
If there is no trouble, could you send that link again?
THanks Hon......
Kim
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[email protected]
In a message dated 12/10/02 6:50:56 AM, lurningathome@... writes:
<< You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
bible , like the book of Thomas. etc.. >>
I did?
I usually go through the Skeptics Annotated Bible site. It has links to
other stuff and maybe you got there from that.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
<< You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books of the
bible , like the book of Thomas. etc.. >>
I did?
I usually go through the Skeptics Annotated Bible site. It has links to
other stuff and maybe you got there from that.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
susan marie
try typing "gnostic bible" into google. If I can find the site for the
various gnostic texts, I'll post it. Amazon carries them as well. I've
read Thomas and Mary Magdalene and found them fascinating.
Susan
various gnostic texts, I'll post it. Amazon carries them as well. I've
read Thomas and Mary Magdalene and found them fascinating.
Susan
On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 09:27 AM, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/10/02 6:50:56 AM, lurningathome@... writes:
>
> << You posted a while back the link that I need to find the lost books
> of the
> bible , like the book of Thomas. etc.. >>
>
> I did?
>
> I usually go through the Skeptics Annotated Bible site. It has links to
> other stuff and maybe you got there from that.
>
> http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
>
>
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Susan
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change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead
"All we are saying is give peace a chance."
- John Lennon
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[email protected]
Since it is standard in the email world for replies to have re: or Re:, and
it is standard in the email world for a post with fw: or Fw: to have been
forwarded, you can hardly blame someone for thinking that a post with fw:
had been forwarded!
Mary Ellen
it is standard in the email world for a post with fw: or Fw: to have been
forwarded, you can hardly blame someone for thinking that a post with fw:
had been forwarded!
Mary Ellen
----- Original Message ----- > You do owe an apology for accusing Teresa of
forwarding mail to me.
Dear Sandra,
Aside from the topics that have occured on the list of which are pretty
heated,
you did make an accusation toward Teresa in forwarding email to me.
I do object, when I go to the extent of trying to explain how the situation
WAS
happening, you referred to it as "the lamest excuse"
It was no excuse, but total honesty on my part.
I don't think in this instance, I deserved this type of response from you.
Linda
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In a message dated 2/15/03 2:31:20 PM, encadia@... writes:
<< Aside from the topics that have occured on the list of which are pretty
heated,
you did make an accusation toward Teresa in forwarding email to me. >>
And I admitted I could have been wrong about WHO forwarded the mail.
<<you referred to it as "the lamest excuse"
It was no excuse, but total honesty on my part. >>
You said you always put fw: on your mail to the list.
That isn't true. The only two which had fw: were the two you answered when
this discussion started, both of the subject lines of which I quoted in the
post in which I mentioned their having been forwarded.
<<I don't think in this instance, I deserved this type of response from you.>>
I'm sorry the criticism and meanness made me angry.
I'm sorry I didn't just let other people defend me, but what happened was
other people being attacked for defending me, and that is what sparked my
anger.
I don't think I deserved the response I got from you when you rushed in to
defend Teresa from something maybe she just really needed to think about.
Helping people NOT think is never in my top hundred things to do, so I was
frustrated that you seemed to be doing that. I know I didn't deserve the
response from the "I'm-new-here / I've been here before" drive-by poster.
Accusing people of being followers isn't about unschooling.
Talking about how people write here isn't about unschooling.
I want to read about unschooling and I want to share my family's unschooling
experiences with other people. I appreciate any help with that and I don't
appreciate attacks and disruption of the list.
Sandra
<< Aside from the topics that have occured on the list of which are pretty
heated,
you did make an accusation toward Teresa in forwarding email to me. >>
And I admitted I could have been wrong about WHO forwarded the mail.
<<you referred to it as "the lamest excuse"
It was no excuse, but total honesty on my part. >>
You said you always put fw: on your mail to the list.
That isn't true. The only two which had fw: were the two you answered when
this discussion started, both of the subject lines of which I quoted in the
post in which I mentioned their having been forwarded.
<<I don't think in this instance, I deserved this type of response from you.>>
I'm sorry the criticism and meanness made me angry.
I'm sorry I didn't just let other people defend me, but what happened was
other people being attacked for defending me, and that is what sparked my
anger.
I don't think I deserved the response I got from you when you rushed in to
defend Teresa from something maybe she just really needed to think about.
Helping people NOT think is never in my top hundred things to do, so I was
frustrated that you seemed to be doing that. I know I didn't deserve the
response from the "I'm-new-here / I've been here before" drive-by poster.
Accusing people of being followers isn't about unschooling.
Talking about how people write here isn't about unschooling.
I want to read about unschooling and I want to share my family's unschooling
experiences with other people. I appreciate any help with that and I don't
appreciate attacks and disruption of the list.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/15/2003 7:04:27 PM Central Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
did not understand where you were comming from when
you wrote about modeling behaviors. To me Teresa's
original post caught me eye as it was very honest. The information
back that she was getting was fantatic, I could not understand
your reasoning for your response, genitic was ok, but the modeling
just didn't fit. And if it was modeling behavior for instance after me
or my husband, I don't think I would have even wanted to share it with the
group.
Linda
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SandraDodd@... writes:
> I know I didn't deserve theOk, thanks for the email back, I defended Teresa, as I also
> response from the "I'm-new-here / I've been here before" drive-by poster
did not understand where you were comming from when
you wrote about modeling behaviors. To me Teresa's
original post caught me eye as it was very honest. The information
back that she was getting was fantatic, I could not understand
your reasoning for your response, genitic was ok, but the modeling
just didn't fit. And if it was modeling behavior for instance after me
or my husband, I don't think I would have even wanted to share it with the
group.
Linda
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[email protected]
<< << Is it fine to let
him explore his interest in animals and animals only? >>
<<<< exploring an interest in animals isn't going to be "animals only
Wow, we never really looked at it like that. That is all he is learning about
now!
<<<< But in one paragraph you say he always kept on task and in the next that
he
doesn't like sit-down busywork.
Yes always on task in school. When we first took him out we tried the sit
down work just like school and he was very bored.
<<<< Instead of looking at what he's doing in schoolish terms, try just
seeing what he's learning and what makes him happy.
Actually looking at it this way we can see that he is learning a lot and is
very happy with what he is doing.
<<<< We do have him on-line talking to some other children that do
not go to school and that seems to be helping..slowly.
YOU have him online? Or he's online of his own choice?
He is online because we told him he had to. 2 therapist that we have been to
said a lot of his problem is that he is home and that he is not facing his
fear of children that he should be in the public school instead of us
teaching him to run away. They then continued to tell us that if we were to
homeschool him and there was no choice but to get him penpals, online
buddies, etc., for his own mental well being. How are we supposed to know? We
are trying to do what is best for our son and like I said before we have a
lot to learn.
<<<< We need to hear from unschoolers such as you, how a day of unschooling is
<<<< Read what's been written already at www.unschooling.com
and if you finish the good parts of that (meaning the parts you like)
you might look at sandradodd.com, where lots of articles and families'
websites are collected and linked.
Thank-you! I'm sure we will FINISH all the parts and I'm sure we'll find that
we like them all!
Kim & Kevin
him explore his interest in animals and animals only? >>
<<<< exploring an interest in animals isn't going to be "animals only
Wow, we never really looked at it like that. That is all he is learning about
now!
<<<< But in one paragraph you say he always kept on task and in the next that
he
doesn't like sit-down busywork.
Yes always on task in school. When we first took him out we tried the sit
down work just like school and he was very bored.
<<<< Instead of looking at what he's doing in schoolish terms, try just
seeing what he's learning and what makes him happy.
Actually looking at it this way we can see that he is learning a lot and is
very happy with what he is doing.
<<<< We do have him on-line talking to some other children that do
not go to school and that seems to be helping..slowly.
YOU have him online? Or he's online of his own choice?
He is online because we told him he had to. 2 therapist that we have been to
said a lot of his problem is that he is home and that he is not facing his
fear of children that he should be in the public school instead of us
teaching him to run away. They then continued to tell us that if we were to
homeschool him and there was no choice but to get him penpals, online
buddies, etc., for his own mental well being. How are we supposed to know? We
are trying to do what is best for our son and like I said before we have a
lot to learn.
<<<< We need to hear from unschoolers such as you, how a day of unschooling is
<<<< Read what's been written already at www.unschooling.com
and if you finish the good parts of that (meaning the parts you like)
you might look at sandradodd.com, where lots of articles and families'
websites are collected and linked.
Thank-you! I'm sure we will FINISH all the parts and I'm sure we'll find that
we like them all!
Kim & Kevin
>>
kayb85
> He is online because we told him he had to. 2 therapist that wehave been to
> said a lot of his problem is that he is home and that he is notfacing his
> fear of children that he should be in the public school instead ofus
> teaching him to run away. They then continued to tell us that ifwe were to
> homeschool him and there was no choice but to get him penpals,online
> buddies, etc., for his own mental well being. How are we supposedto know? We
> are trying to do what is best for our son and like I said beforewe have a
> lot to learn.Find new therapists! Or better yet, a good homeopath.
Sheila
marji
Kim wrote:
the experience he had in school, I'd say that any fear he has of other
children is a reasonable response to a bad situation. We are all made of
different stuff. Some folks might want to rush back into a situation like
that with their chests all puffed up; others would not (I'm one of the
'others'). Your honoring Who He Is by allowing him to approach this
situation in the way that works best for him is not the "problem," as those
two therapists told you. I think it's part of the solution. Another thing
that I think would be part of the solution is for him to be able to talk to
you ~ in his own time ~ about what he's feeling and thinking and how he
views the world. You are his safe harbor. You can be his nonjudgmental
sounding board who listens compassionately and only gives advice when asked.
prescriptions for his "mental well being" may be helpful and may not (i.e.,
what if one of the online penpals turns out to be not such a nice
person?). I hear that you are trying to do what is best for your son, but
I think you can give yourself a lot more credit; we all have a lot to learn
(that's what we're doing on this Earth, I believe). You have the gift of
your instincts and your obvious love for your son. I think that following
your instincts, listening to your heart, and relying on the knowledge that
no one knows your son better than you do will help you help him more than
anything or anyone else.
If your son is enjoying his time online, great. If not, how would you feel
about letting him let it go? How would you feel about letting him choose
when and on what terms to welcome other children back into his life?
I agree with Mary (I think :-): Your son is a lucky boy who's learning
compassion from compassionate people (you!).
All the best to you!
Marji
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><<<< We do have him on-line talking to some other children that doThen, Sandra wrote:
>not go to school and that seems to be helping..slowly.
>YOU have him online? Or he's online of his own choice?Then, Kim responded:
>He is online because we told him he had to. 2 therapist that we have beenKim, you sound to me like a compassionate, loving, protective mom. After
>to said a lot of his problem is that he is home and that he is not facing
>his fear of children that he should be in the public school instead of us
>teaching him to run away.
the experience he had in school, I'd say that any fear he has of other
children is a reasonable response to a bad situation. We are all made of
different stuff. Some folks might want to rush back into a situation like
that with their chests all puffed up; others would not (I'm one of the
'others'). Your honoring Who He Is by allowing him to approach this
situation in the way that works best for him is not the "problem," as those
two therapists told you. I think it's part of the solution. Another thing
that I think would be part of the solution is for him to be able to talk to
you ~ in his own time ~ about what he's feeling and thinking and how he
views the world. You are his safe harbor. You can be his nonjudgmental
sounding board who listens compassionately and only gives advice when asked.
>They then continued to tell us that if we were to homeschool him and there"No choice" as THEY see it from their limited perspectives. Their
>was no choice but to get him penpals, online
>buddies, etc., for his own mental well being. How are we supposed to know?
>We are trying to do what is best for our son and like I said before we
>have a lot to learn.
prescriptions for his "mental well being" may be helpful and may not (i.e.,
what if one of the online penpals turns out to be not such a nice
person?). I hear that you are trying to do what is best for your son, but
I think you can give yourself a lot more credit; we all have a lot to learn
(that's what we're doing on this Earth, I believe). You have the gift of
your instincts and your obvious love for your son. I think that following
your instincts, listening to your heart, and relying on the knowledge that
no one knows your son better than you do will help you help him more than
anything or anyone else.
If your son is enjoying his time online, great. If not, how would you feel
about letting him let it go? How would you feel about letting him choose
when and on what terms to welcome other children back into his life?
I agree with Mary (I think :-): Your son is a lucky boy who's learning
compassion from compassionate people (you!).
All the best to you!
Marji
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marji
At 02:50 3/9/03 -0800, I wrote:
Sheepish Marji :-)
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>I agree with Mary (I think :-): Your son is a lucky boy who's learningSorry, Kelly. Errr.....It was Kelly who said that.
>compassion from compassionate people (you!).
Sheepish Marji :-)
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on 3/9/03 4:42 AM, HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@... at HOMESCHOOL4GOOD@... wrote:
are naturally like. They only know what *schooled* kids are like. They know
the "normal" way that kids adapt to being forced to spend 6 or more house a
day in an artificial environment.
When school is taken out of the mix, then therapists are lost without
realizing it. The personalities and reactions of homeschooled kids are
different than schooled kids. Without having to compensate for forced
socialization and forced learning, kids behave differently. And some of
those different behaviors would be irrational and unworkable in school.
(Like an 8 yo who still clings to her mother in social situations.) So
therapists are going to assume that the child has problems when the only
"problem" the child has is not having to adjust themselves to the unnatural
environment of school.
Society thinks it's normal for 4, 5 and 6 yos to be out navigating the world
on their own for 6+ hours a day. But when it's expressed like that, why
*would* it be normal? Why would a 4-6 yo need to be away from his or her
family? Kids adapt. But kids adapt to being homeless too. Just because kids
can find a way to cope, doesnt mean that something is good for them.
There are two problems mixed together. There's the damage that school did to
your son. And there may be personality factors. First I'd deal with the
damage done by school. I'd help him feel safe at home. (And if he doesn't
enjoy online relationships and your making him, then he isn't going to feel
safe. Home won't feel like a haven for who he is. It's going to feel like
another place where he needs to be something he's not in order to be
accepted.)
Later I'd help him find a comfort level of being with other kids. It could
be he's an introvert and really doesn't need other people much. Being an
introvert I can asure you enjoying being alone is perfectly normal! It could
be he much prefers one on one with another child who shares his interests.
That could be more difficutl to find but it may be what he needs and well
worth the effort.
experts tell us. We've learned to accept that "truth" may not make much
sense and just trust experts that know a lot more than we do.
So perhaps look at who your son is right now and help him be who *he* wants
to be. Give him opportunities to stretch and grow, but make the focus not on
what you want for him, but on what he wants for himself.
Joyce
> He is online because we told him he had to. 2 therapist that we have been toTo put this in perspective, very few therapists have any clue what children
> said a lot of his problem is that he is home and that he is not facing his
> fear of children that he should be in the public school instead of us
> teaching him to run away. They then continued to tell us that if we were to
> homeschool him and there was no choice but to get him penpals, online
> buddies, etc., for his own mental well being.
are naturally like. They only know what *schooled* kids are like. They know
the "normal" way that kids adapt to being forced to spend 6 or more house a
day in an artificial environment.
When school is taken out of the mix, then therapists are lost without
realizing it. The personalities and reactions of homeschooled kids are
different than schooled kids. Without having to compensate for forced
socialization and forced learning, kids behave differently. And some of
those different behaviors would be irrational and unworkable in school.
(Like an 8 yo who still clings to her mother in social situations.) So
therapists are going to assume that the child has problems when the only
"problem" the child has is not having to adjust themselves to the unnatural
environment of school.
Society thinks it's normal for 4, 5 and 6 yos to be out navigating the world
on their own for 6+ hours a day. But when it's expressed like that, why
*would* it be normal? Why would a 4-6 yo need to be away from his or her
family? Kids adapt. But kids adapt to being homeless too. Just because kids
can find a way to cope, doesnt mean that something is good for them.
There are two problems mixed together. There's the damage that school did to
your son. And there may be personality factors. First I'd deal with the
damage done by school. I'd help him feel safe at home. (And if he doesn't
enjoy online relationships and your making him, then he isn't going to feel
safe. Home won't feel like a haven for who he is. It's going to feel like
another place where he needs to be something he's not in order to be
accepted.)
Later I'd help him find a comfort level of being with other kids. It could
be he's an introvert and really doesn't need other people much. Being an
introvert I can asure you enjoying being alone is perfectly normal! It could
be he much prefers one on one with another child who shares his interests.
That could be more difficutl to find but it may be what he needs and well
worth the effort.
> How are we supposed to know? WeThat's not an easy question to answer. We're kind of trained to accept what
> are trying to do what is best for our son and like I said before we have a
> lot to learn.
experts tell us. We've learned to accept that "truth" may not make much
sense and just trust experts that know a lot more than we do.
So perhaps look at who your son is right now and help him be who *he* wants
to be. Give him opportunities to stretch and grow, but make the focus not on
what you want for him, but on what he wants for himself.
Joyce
zenmomma *
>>2 therapist that we have been to said a lot of his problem is that he isThose kids hurt him!! Wouldn't you tell your son to run away from a man with
>>home and that he is not facing his fear of children that he should be in
>>the public school instead of us teaching him to run away.>>
a knife, a menacing figure in a dark alley, a maniac with a baseball bat
aimed at his head?! He was trapped in an obviously dangerous situation with
those other kids. You're saving him.
>>They then continued to tell us that if we were to homeschool him and thereMaybe you can find a local homeschooling group. In my experience,
>>was no choice but to get him penpals, online buddies, etc., for his own
>>mental well being.>>
homeschooled kids are much more accepting than ps kids. And the big
difference is that he'll be safe. He won't be trapped if there's a problem,
left to "work it out" on his own.
>>How are we supposed to know? We are trying to do what is best for our sonWe all do. :o) Learning every day. Listen to your heart about what's best
>>and like I said before we have a lot to learn.>>
for your son right now.
Life is good.
~Mary
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In a message dated 3/9/03 3:08:42 AM, sheran@... writes:
<< They then continued to tell us that if
we were to
gaming is one of the best ways to learn to write quickly and clearly and
well. I was just pointing at what seemed (and was, now I see) an
indication that he had been put there.
I can think of hundreds of WORSE things parents could make a kid do! And I
do agree with the therapist in a way. If he's home and can have friends at
that distance it will help him with in-real-life socialization. He can work
some social thinking out without people crowding him and looking at him.
Sandra
<< They then continued to tell us that if
we were to
> homeschool him and there was no choice but to get him penpals,online
> buddies, etc., for his own mental well being. >>I'm not opposed to online buddies at all. I think being online chatting or
gaming is one of the best ways to learn to write quickly and clearly and
well. I was just pointing at what seemed (and was, now I see) an
indication that he had been put there.
I can think of hundreds of WORSE things parents could make a kid do! And I
do agree with the therapist in a way. If he's home and can have friends at
that distance it will help him with in-real-life socialization. He can work
some social thinking out without people crowding him and looking at him.
Sandra
Rachel Ann
I agree with everything Mary has said.
In addition, I would work on having him form one new, good, relationship at
a time.
What you may want to do is contact a local homeschooling group, explain the
situation, and ask the leader of the group if she can talk to parents of
children your sons age (11-16) and help arrange to meet just one or two
children at a time.
Homeschooled kids are much more open to other people, and other people's
needs, and they are more apt to be receptive and understanding of his
situation.
Other ideas may be a small extra-curricular class or activity that isn't a
competitive group activity...e.g. Art class, music class, chess club ,
palentology club, zoo club or similar clubs where they aren't rough and
tumble (if he is suffering from post-traumatic shock, then even an innocent
game of rough housing could upset him.) and anything group is cooperative by
nature.
Just a suggestion from this neck of the woods...
Hugs to you and your son...
be well,
Rachel Ann
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Date: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:13:19
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a knife, a menacing figure in a dark alley, a maniac with a baseball bat
aimed at his head?! He was trapped in an obviously dangerous situation with
those other kids. You're saving him.
homeschooled kids are much more accepting than ps kids. And the big
difference is that he'll be safe. He won't be trapped if there's a problem,
left to "work it out" on his own.
for your son right now.
Life is good.
~Mary
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In addition, I would work on having him form one new, good, relationship at
a time.
What you may want to do is contact a local homeschooling group, explain the
situation, and ask the leader of the group if she can talk to parents of
children your sons age (11-16) and help arrange to meet just one or two
children at a time.
Homeschooled kids are much more open to other people, and other people's
needs, and they are more apt to be receptive and understanding of his
situation.
Other ideas may be a small extra-curricular class or activity that isn't a
competitive group activity...e.g. Art class, music class, chess club ,
palentology club, zoo club or similar clubs where they aren't rough and
tumble (if he is suffering from post-traumatic shock, then even an innocent
game of rough housing could upset him.) and anything group is cooperative by
nature.
Just a suggestion from this neck of the woods...
Hugs to you and your son...
be well,
Rachel Ann
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From: [email protected]
Date: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:13:19
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re:Sandra
>>2 therapist that we have been to said a lot of his problem is that he isThose kids hurt him!! Wouldn't you tell your son to run away from a man with
>>home and that he is not facing his fear of children that he should be in
>>the public school instead of us teaching him to run away.>>
a knife, a menacing figure in a dark alley, a maniac with a baseball bat
aimed at his head?! He was trapped in an obviously dangerous situation with
those other kids. You're saving him.
>>They then continued to tell us that if we were to homeschool him and thereMaybe you can find a local homeschooling group. In my experience,
>>was no choice but to get him penpals, online buddies, etc., for his own
>>mental well being.>>
homeschooled kids are much more accepting than ps kids. And the big
difference is that he'll be safe. He won't be trapped if there's a problem,
left to "work it out" on his own.
>>How are we supposed to know? We are trying to do what is best for our sonWe all do. :o) Learning every day. Listen to your heart about what's best
>>and like I said before we have a lot to learn.>>
for your son right now.
Life is good.
~Mary
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>From: marji <marji@...><<You have the gift of your instincts and your obvious love for your son. I
think that following your instincts, listening to your heart, and relying on
the knowledge that no one knows your son better than you do will help you
help him more than anything or anyone else.
If your son is enjoying his time online, great. If not, how would you feel
about letting him let it go? How would you feel about letting him choose
when and on what terms to welcome other children back into his life?>>
I definitely agree with this. Especially the part about following your heart
and what you feel is best for you son. Been through the whole "listen to the
therapists they know what's best ignore what you think route." Total mistake
on my part. Let your son be home and safe and happy with you. Let him figure
out what he needs and wants in his own time. If he wants to stop the on line
friends, it's okay. I don't see where that will be a bad thing. Once he
feels totally secure and has the power to choose completely, he'll make the
right choices for himself.
Mary B
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In a message dated 3/9/03 7:24:24 AM, fetteroll@... writes:
<< To put this in perspective, very few therapists have any clue what children
are naturally like. They only know what *schooled* kids are like. They know
the "normal" way that kids adapt to being forced to spend 6 or more house a
day in an artificial environment. >>
I liked Joyce's whole post on this and I sent it to an ex boyfriend of mine
who does family therapy. If any of you have psychiatrist/psychologist
contacts who would be receptive, maybe it would be worth sending it as a
reminder that there IS another model.
Sandra
<< To put this in perspective, very few therapists have any clue what children
are naturally like. They only know what *schooled* kids are like. They know
the "normal" way that kids adapt to being forced to spend 6 or more house a
day in an artificial environment. >>
I liked Joyce's whole post on this and I sent it to an ex boyfriend of mine
who does family therapy. If any of you have psychiatrist/psychologist
contacts who would be receptive, maybe it would be worth sending it as a
reminder that there IS another model.
Sandra
kayb85
But if he doesn't want to have an online buddy I wouldn't force
him. When we tried a cyber-charter school for a few months they had
a place where kids could chat safely and my daughter HATED it. I
think it would have been harmful if I had told her that she HAD to
chat with these kids and get to know some of them.
Now, about a year later, dh let her set up her own character on his
everquest game, and she is running around and sometimes typing
things to the other players. She still doesn't have a whole lot of
confidence when she has to type something to another player, but I
can see it improving her confidence in writing a LOT.
Sheila
him. When we tried a cyber-charter school for a few months they had
a place where kids could chat safely and my daughter HATED it. I
think it would have been harmful if I had told her that she HAD to
chat with these kids and get to know some of them.
Now, about a year later, dh let her set up her own character on his
everquest game, and she is running around and sometimes typing
things to the other players. She still doesn't have a whole lot of
confidence when she has to type something to another player, but I
can see it improving her confidence in writing a LOT.
Sheila
> I'm not opposed to online buddies at all. I think being onlinechatting or
> gaming is one of the best ways to learn to write quickly andclearly and
> well. I was just pointing at what seemed (and was, now I see)an
> indication that he had been put there.do! And I
>
> I can think of hundreds of WORSE things parents could make a kid
> do agree with the therapist in a way. If he's home and can havefriends at
> that distance it will help him with in-real-life socialization.He can work
> some social thinking out without people crowding him and lookingat him.
>
> Sandra
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How do you keep up with all the E-mails and still get everything else done? I
can never seem to catch up with this very busy list.:)
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can never seem to catch up with this very busy list.:)
Vanessa from Arizona(ds 2, ds 7, dd 8)
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In a message dated 3/13/03 11:05:57 PM, V28butterfly@... writes:
<< How do you keep up with all the E-mails and still get everything else
done? I
can never seem to catch up with this very busy list.:) >>
My kids are older, and I read really fast and type like the wind.
(Or as my sister pointed out once, I can type faster than I can think. <g>)
Sandra
<< How do you keep up with all the E-mails and still get everything else
done? I
can never seem to catch up with this very busy list.:) >>
My kids are older, and I read really fast and type like the wind.
(Or as my sister pointed out once, I can type faster than I can think. <g>)
Sandra
Kathleen Livni
That has been my question, exactly
ds (6) dd (4 and 2) Kathleen-California
ds (6) dd (4 and 2) Kathleen-California
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> How do you keep up with all the E-mails and still get everything else
done? I
> can never seem to catch up with this very busy list.:)
>
> Vanessa from Arizona(ds 2, ds 7, dd 8)
> <A
HREF="http://www.ubah.com/ecommerce/default.asp?sid=K1634&gid=1290955">Have
Fun With Usborne Books!</A>
>
>
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>
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