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True, Bronwen. I'll never forget the joy on my 7-month-old daughter's face
the first time I let her go in the potty. She seemed so relieved that I had
finally caught on!

:-) Diane

> I am only writing because many people don't know that babies are not "
> incontinent". They are aware of and can control their elimination.
>
> amazing but true- your baby never has to wear diapers- and *really*
doesn't
> want to- and wasn't "meant" to (just can't picture that paleoithic mom
> hanging out diapers to dry...)

Saga

This is so interesting.
According to pediatricians the nerve endings and connections to the brain
are not fully developed until around 18 months of age, supposedly making it
so babies cannot tell if they are going or not... that and the sphinkter
(sp?) muscles are not fully developed until that time.
some later, some earlier.
My mom swears I was potty trained at 9 months (I was also walking at 9
months).
But my son, who will be 3 in November, has no idea if he has to pee until he
has already done it, at least that is what he says. And he is just now
figuring out the bowel movement thing. Though if I am able to sit on the
toilet, he is always thinking he has pooped when he hasn't.

As for the paleolithic moms... I know First Nation mothers used moss,
milkweed, things of that sort to pack around their babies as a "diaper".
The romans had diapers. Celts had their version of diapers.
Ancient India had diapers, there are references to a river in their mythos
where Krishna's diapers were washed. There are also references to diapers
in Aztec and Egyptian documents... granted they weren't like diapers used
today in the US, but they were diapers. Animal skins, leaves, stuff like
that. Probably cloth as well.

Not saying you're wrong or anything... I find this very interesting. It
would explain how I could have been "trained" so young. But I am confused
as to why it then takes babies, then toddlers, so long to learn to be potty
trained. Is it because they need to be taken to the potty and told to
potty, until they are able to recognize the signs themselves? And I am sure
they would recognize these signs earlier if they are already accustomed to
feeling a certain way, then being on the toilet, then feeling relief.
I'm baffled. But I do know that it would have been a nightmare trying to
run Sheherazade to the toilet for her pooping episodes her first so many
months... she pooped every feeding (which was about every 1 - 2 hours for
the first three months, except nights, which by the second month went to
every 3 hours), while she was eating :)

-Kristi

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True, Bronwen. I'll never forget the joy on my 7-month-old daughter's face
the first time I let her go in the potty. She seemed so relieved that I had
finally caught on!

:-) Diane

> I am only writing because many people don't know that babies are not "
> incontinent". They are aware of and can control their elimination.
>
> amazing but true- your baby never has to wear diapers- and *really*
doesn't
> want to- and wasn't "meant" to (just can't picture that paleoithic mom
> hanging out diapers to dry...)

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Lynda

Well, we have a whole family of young ones, I guess you could call it.
However, I never spent any time "training" the kidlets, it was more of a
monkey see, monkey do (no pun intended <g>) sorta thing. Of course, maybe
because they spent more time running around naked than they did in diapers
and everyone was a real early walker. The oldest was 12 months (daughter)
and youngest was youngest son at a little over 7 months.

I think it was easier, just MHO, because we never made a big deal out of it.
I had a cutesy little combo stepping stool and potty chair in the bathroom.
DD would come in and sit on "her" chair when I was in there. The boys all
watched dad and thought "making splashes" was fun.

I wonder if perhaps because they ran around naked more than half the time
they weren't more "aware" of what was happening and "knew" their bodies
better? Maybe, ya think?

Lynda
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> This is so interesting.
> According to pediatricians the nerve endings and connections to the brain
> are not fully developed until around 18 months of age, supposedly making
it
> so babies cannot tell if they are going or not... that and the sphinkter
> (sp?) muscles are not fully developed until that time.
> some later, some earlier.
> My mom swears I was potty trained at 9 months (I was also walking at 9
> months).
> But my son, who will be 3 in November, has no idea if he has to pee until
he
> has already done it, at least that is what he says. And he is just now
> figuring out the bowel movement thing. Though if I am able to sit on the
> toilet, he is always thinking he has pooped when he hasn't.
>
> As for the paleolithic moms... I know First Nation mothers used moss,
> milkweed, things of that sort to pack around their babies as a "diaper".
> The romans had diapers. Celts had their version of diapers.
> Ancient India had diapers, there are references to a river in their mythos
> where Krishna's diapers were washed. There are also references to diapers
> in Aztec and Egyptian documents... granted they weren't like diapers used
> today in the US, but they were diapers. Animal skins, leaves, stuff like
> that. Probably cloth as well.
>
> Not saying you're wrong or anything... I find this very interesting. It
> would explain how I could have been "trained" so young. But I am confused
> as to why it then takes babies, then toddlers, so long to learn to be
potty
> trained. Is it because they need to be taken to the potty and told to
> potty, until they are able to recognize the signs themselves? And I am
sure
> they would recognize these signs earlier if they are already accustomed to
> feeling a certain way, then being on the toilet, then feeling relief.
> I'm baffled. But I do know that it would have been a nightmare trying to
> run Sheherazade to the toilet for her pooping episodes her first so many
> months... she pooped every feeding (which was about every 1 - 2 hours for
> the first three months, except nights, which by the second month went to
> every 3 hours), while she was eating :)
>
> -Kristi
>
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> From: cen46624@... [mailto:cen46624@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:39 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] NO diapers!- was:Foreskin
>
>
> True, Bronwen. I'll never forget the joy on my 7-month-old daughter's face
> the first time I let her go in the potty. She seemed so relieved that I
had
> finally caught on!
>
> :-) Diane
>
> > I am only writing because many people don't know that babies are not "
> > incontinent". They are aware of and can control their elimination.
> >
> > amazing but true- your baby never has to wear diapers- and *really*
> doesn't
> > want to- and wasn't "meant" to (just can't picture that paleoithic mom
> > hanging out diapers to dry...)
>
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With my first son I used cloth diapers for the first year and then
switched to disposables. As my son approached his third birthday he
too had no idea what we meant by going potty. A wiser neighbor mom
suggested I switch back to cloth diapers. She said she thought the
disposable drew away wetness so well that little ones didn't really
notice if they were wet. With cloth diapers there was no doubt. One
week in cloth diapers and my son demanded 'no more diapers' and used
his potty (day and night time without 'accidents') :)

Modern inventions are not always good.

Jan in Marysville

jefferson academy

--- cen46624@... wrote:
> True, Bronwen. I'll never forget the joy on my
> 7-month-old daughter's face
> the first time I let her go in the potty. She seemed
> so relieved that I had
> finally caught on!
>

Wow - I thought I was the only one who had an infant
who would go on the potty evey time I put her on. I
started at 5 months!! I first did it as a joke because
we had already purchased a potty chair & wanted my
older daughters to see how cute the baby looked on it.
I was shocked when she actually used it!!! She
continued to wear diapers but would use the potty
every single time I put her on it!
Michele


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And I am sure
> they would recognize these signs earlier if they are
> already accustomed to
> feeling a certain way, then being on the toilet,
> then feeling relief.

I think that is exactly it. I always thought that the
reason people have such a hard time potty training is
because they start too late. I put a toilet looking
potty chair in the bathroom by the time my children
were about 8 months old (except the last one who was
only 5 months when purchased - my girls were early
walkers but late talkers so 8 months was when they
could take me by the hand to bring them to the potty)
also brought them with me whenever I went - never
forced them to use it - but alway offered & all were
completely (no accidents and would use public rest
rooms if necessary) potty trained by 18 months.
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I am convinced that "experts" have growth-retarded children. I've read this,
too. But I've also read reports that women in other places just "know" when
their babies have to go and hold them over an appropriate spot, so the kids
never learn to go in their underwear in the first place. Then they don't have
to unlearn it later.

I do agree, though, that diapered kids don't seem to know when they're going.
That's why I favor the "nudie" system of potty training.

:-) Diane

> According to pediatricians the nerve endings and connections to the brain
> are not fully developed until around 18 months of age, supposedly making it
> so babies cannot tell if they are going or not... that and the sphinkter
> (sp?) muscles are not fully developed until that time.
> some later, some earlier.

Elizabeth Sterling Wall

When I lived in El Salvador kids just ran around in regular clothes because
the available cloth diapers were flimsy pretty much useless for a kid over
3 or 4 months (and disposables were just way too hot). Kids did wet and
poop themselves regularly, but mothers would just take it in stride and
change the kid completely and clean up everything around them. After on
month there with my then 2 year old son and 5 month old daughter, I wrote
to my mom and asked her to send me a big box of American style prefolded
diapers and velcro-closing diaper wraps!

- elizabeth


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Saga

OK, now I've got to try this with my daughter, she's 9 months old.
I thought I was doing so much good for using cloth diapers... figured my son
would potty train early because suppsedly cloth diapered babies do... but my
son refuses to use a toilet for bms and still is completely surprised when
he wets himself.
Oh well, maybe they'll "train" together :) That would be great!

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--- cen46624@... wrote:
> True, Bronwen. I'll never forget the joy on my
> 7-month-old daughter's face
> the first time I let her go in the potty. She seemed
> so relieved that I had
> finally caught on!
>

Wow - I thought I was the only one who had an infant
who would go on the potty evey time I put her on. I
started at 5 months!! I first did it as a joke because
we had already purchased a potty chair & wanted my
older daughters to see how cute the baby looked on it.
I was shocked when she actually used it!!! She
continued to wear diapers but would use the potty
every single time I put her on it!
Michele


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Saga

<<I do agree, though, that diapered kids don't seem to know when they're
going.
That's why I favor the "nudie" system of potty training.>>

We were going to do this this summer but.... we're moving and there is stuff
everwhere and the first time I attempted Julian peed on stuff for my work :)
So then I thought I'd wait until we got in a better situation where
everything around would be safe to be peed on...

-Kristi

Bronwen

>>Function of the Prepuce
It is often stated that the prepuce is a vestigial structure devoid of
function. However, it seems to be no accident that during the years when in
child is incontinent the glans is completely clothed the the prepuce, for,
deprived of this protection, the glans becomes susceptible to injury from
contact with sodden clothes or diapers. >>

I am not seeking to support circumsision-

I am only writing because many people don't know that babies are not "incontinent". They are aware of and can control their elimination.

amazing but true- your baby never has to wear diapers- and *really* doesn't want to- and wasn't "meant" to (just can't picture that paleoithic mom hanging out diapers to dry...)

Here you go-

DIAPER FREE! The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene

http://www.natural-wisdom.com/

CHeck it out- this is the most freeing thing I have done for my son-

FREEDOM- a basic tenent of unschooling - yeah?

Love,
Bronwen




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Johanna SanInocencio

one of the reasons I hate wall to wall carpeting. Ever try to clean pee off
one?
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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> <<I do agree, though, that diapered kids don't seem to know when they're
> going.
> That's why I favor the "nudie" system of potty training.>>
>
> We were going to do this this summer but.... we're moving and there is
stuff
> everwhere and the first time I attempted Julian peed on stuff for my work
:)
> So then I thought I'd wait until we got in a better situation where
> everything around would be safe to be peed on...
>
> -Kristi
>
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