Lynda

Anyone heard if the wording got changed from "school age" to "school
children?"

Lynda
----- Original Message -----

> Senate passes education bill
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) - In a triumph for President Bush, the Senate
overwhelmingly
> passed groundbreaking education legislation Thursday that requires annual
> math and reading tests for millions of schoolchildren as part of an effort
to
> improve the nation's public schools. The vote was 91-8, and set the stage
for
> a summer of negotiations on a final compromise among the White House, the
> GOP-controlled House and the Senate, newly under Democratic management.
> President Bush, traveling in Europe, issued a statement that hailed the
vote
> and said it meant "we are close to a monumental achievement with
bipartisan
> support. As a result of our efforts, we
> have wide agreement on the principles of education reform." Senate passage
> came after a bumpy, last-minute detour into the emotionally charged issue
of
> the Boy Scouts and homosexuality.
>
> *** Education bills at a glance, see
> http://www.infobeat.com/fullArticle?article=408356970
>
> Full article at: http://www.infobeat.com/fullArticle?article=408356815

Nicki Clark

<<Senate passage
> came after a bumpy, last-minute detour into the emotionally charged issue
of
> the Boy Scouts and homosexuality.>>

Any info about THIS? now THIS I'd like to read more about - I can't imagine
why it was even brought up in the Senate.

Nicki

Elizabeth Hill

>Anyone heard if the wording got changed from "school age" to "school
>children?"

I don't know.

But I'm feeling grumpy and I thought I'd vent about this topic [testing] in
general. (Feel free to ignore.)

How can they give the same tests and require the same minimum performance
from all kids when the funding for schools varies so dramatically?

(Wouldn't it be more reasonable to take the average test score and divide
it by the funding level to calculate the return on the dollar?)

Betsy

[email protected]

In a message dated 06/15/2001 5:14:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
ecsamhill@... writes:


> How can they give the same tests and require the same minimum performance
> from all kids when the funding for schools varies so dramatically?
>
>


Oh, I see what the problem is -- you were expecting logic.

Here, Florida, what we do is give more $$ to the schools with higher test
scores. Take away $$ from schools with lower scores. Makes sense, huh??

Nance



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Lynda

Well, they did change several of the things in the bill. One of the main
issues they changed is that each state gets to determine what test to use
without any oversight. So what does that prove? Just one more way to spend
taxpayers money on nonsense! All it does is prompt teaching to the test!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Fw: Senate passes education bill


> >Anyone heard if the wording got changed from "school age" to "school
> >children?"
>
> I don't know.
>
> But I'm feeling grumpy and I thought I'd vent about this topic [testing]
in
> general. (Feel free to ignore.)
>
> How can they give the same tests and require the same minimum performance
> from all kids when the funding for schools varies so dramatically?
>
> (Wouldn't it be more reasonable to take the average test score and divide
> it by the funding level to calculate the return on the dollar?)
>
> Betsy
>
>
>
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kate mcdaniel

I agree with Lynda. My public school child complained that all they did was
study to pass the test. The teachers were not allowed to teach math,
science - etc. unless it was on the test. This leaves little room for
creativity and means more bookwork.
Kate
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:51:52 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:

> Well, they did change several of the things in the bill. One of the main
> issues they changed is that each state gets to determine what test to use
> without any oversight. So what does that prove? Just one more way to
spend
> taxpayers money on nonsense! All it does is prompt teaching to the test!
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Hill" <ecsamhill@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Fw: Senate passes education bill
>
>
> > >Anyone heard if the wording got changed from "school age" to "school
> > >children?"
> >
> > I don't know.
> >
> > But I'm feeling grumpy and I thought I'd vent about this topic
[testing]
> in
> > general. (Feel free to ignore.)
> >
> > How can they give the same tests and require the same minimum
performance
> > from all kids when the funding for schools varies so dramatically?
> >
> > (Wouldn't it be more reasonable to take the average test score and
divide
> > it by the funding level to calculate the return on the dollar?)
> >
> > Betsy
> >
> >
> >
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I thought they had outlawed frontal lobotomies but I'm guessing that only
applies to the average citizen, not politicians %-}

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <marbleface@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Fw: Senate passes education bill


> In a message dated 06/15/2001 5:14:14 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> ecsamhill@... writes:
>
>
> > How can they give the same tests and require the same minimum
performance
> > from all kids when the funding for schools varies so dramatically?
> >
> >
>
>
> Oh, I see what the problem is -- you were expecting logic.
>
> Here, Florida, what we do is give more $$ to the schools with higher test
> scores. Take away $$ from schools with lower scores. Makes sense, huh??
>
> Nance
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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[email protected]

In a message dated 06/15/2001 10:10:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
lurine@... writes:


> I thought they had outlawed frontal lobotomies but I'm guessing that only
> applies to the average citizen, not politicians %-}
>
> Lynda
>


Why y'all, it's practically a requirement around here. :)

Nance (and I was born here, moved away and actually CHOSE to move back!!)



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Elizabeth Hill

>I thought they had outlawed frontal lobotomies but I'm guessing that only
>applies to the average citizen, not politicians %-}

:::: grinning ::::

But, going in the other direction, if frontal lobotomies helped create the
kind of workers that are in demand... we'd see an upsurge.

Betsy

[email protected]

In a message dated 6/15/01 4:48:19 PM, ecsamhill@... writes:

<< But, going in the other direction, if frontal lobotomies helped create the
kind of workers that are in demand... we'd see an upsurge. >>

They won't do them as elective surgery. I asked.

It would be like a long, long vacation.

Sandra

[email protected]

--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/15/01 4:48:19 PM, ecsamhill@e... writes:
>
> << But, going in the other direction, if frontal lobotomies helped create the
> kind of workers that are in demand... we'd see an upsurge. >>
>
> They won't do them as elective surgery. I asked.
>
> It would be like a long, long vacation.
>
> Sandra

I just read _Ella Enchanted_ about a young woman who was gifted/cursed
at her christening by a fairy that gave her the gift of obedience. A
dreadful gift! Near the middle of the book, Ella is ordered to enjoy
her obedience, and because she must obey orders, she does.

If I'm going to be made artificially unstressed, I think I'd chose the
fairy's command over surgery.

Your mileage may vary,
Betsy <g>

P.S. (I have only received a tiny trickle of mail in the last two days,
and I'm getting desperate. Guess I need a hobby.)

Jon and Rue Kream

We just read that too. We liked it so much we got The Two Princesses of
Bamarre. We liked it even more. ~Rue

-----Original Message-----
From: ecsamhill@... [mailto:ecsamhill@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 8:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Fw: Senate passes education bill


--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., SandraDodd@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/15/01 4:48:19 PM, ecsamhill@e... writes:
>
> << But, going in the other direction, if frontal lobotomies helped create
the
> kind of workers that are in demand... we'd see an upsurge. >>
>
> They won't do them as elective surgery. I asked.
>
> It would be like a long, long vacation.
>
> Sandra

I just read _Ella Enchanted_ about a young woman who was gifted/cursed
at her christening by a fairy that gave her the gift of obedience. A
dreadful gift! Near the middle of the book, Ella is ordered to enjoy
her obedience, and because she must obey orders, she does.

If I'm going to be made artificially unstressed, I think I'd chose the
fairy's command over surgery.

Your mileage may vary,
Betsy <g>

P.S. (I have only received a tiny trickle of mail in the last two days,
and I'm getting desperate. Guess I need a hobby.)



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