Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1291
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/01 12:23:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Are y ou saying that if while bicycling a paved road, you or your child
hit a
pebble and take a tumble, you would be upset because you would consider the
ensuing broken arm or cut on knee requiring either a butterfly bandage or 3
stitches to be "severe"?
My use of "carried away" refers to defining and usage of the word "severe" ,
not to the emotional action one might feel for ANY "boo-boo" suffered by
one's babies---whether occurring on public or private property.
property would need a hell of alot of clean up to be "prime".
We weren't talking pebbles we are talking dog bites here. I have been
chased,bit at and hit by dogs while cycling. It is in no way OK w/ me. It is
a mazing to me that people do not take responsibility for their dogs.
This is not "normal" to have 20 some dogs that run wild and hunt their own
food. let alone some one was injured by one of them or more (don't know how
many she encountered).
I just think it is uncalled for to pick apart the word severe in this
case.
Have you ever been bit or even chased by a dog intent on harming you?
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< Are y ou saying that if while bicycling a paved road, you or your child
hit a
pebble and take a tumble, you would be upset because you would consider the
ensuing broken arm or cut on knee requiring either a butterfly bandage or 3
stitches to be "severe"?
My use of "carried away" refers to defining and usage of the word "severe" ,
not to the emotional action one might feel for ANY "boo-boo" suffered by
one's babies---whether occurring on public or private property.
>>From what I read the person wasn't ON the "prime" property. This "prime"
property would need a hell of alot of clean up to be "prime".
We weren't talking pebbles we are talking dog bites here. I have been
chased,bit at and hit by dogs while cycling. It is in no way OK w/ me. It is
a mazing to me that people do not take responsibility for their dogs.
This is not "normal" to have 20 some dogs that run wild and hunt their own
food. let alone some one was injured by one of them or more (don't know how
many she encountered).
I just think it is uncalled for to pick apart the word severe in this
case.
Have you ever been bit or even chased by a dog intent on harming you?
NICKI~
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/01 12:23:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< << Are y ou saying that if while bicycling a paved road, you or your
child
hit a
pebble and take a tumble, you would be upset because you would consider the
ensuing broken arm or cut on knee requiring either a butterfly bandage or 3
stitches to be "severe"? >>
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:15:24 -0700
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
Subject: Re: 6 Kids in Idaho
Just a note. I don't know how this became a child that was injured (not by
you Vicki, by others) but it was an adult that was walking on their property
in the original news report.
Lynda
Re check the top Lynda. This was from Vicki asking about you or your
child. So now we are into generalities not the case we were speaking about.
Sorry how backwards this copy is but, it's too early to think for this
computer illiterate. :o)
NICKI~ who doesn't know what any of this crap on the keyboard can
actually do for her.
[email protected] writes:
<< << Are y ou saying that if while bicycling a paved road, you or your
child
hit a
pebble and take a tumble, you would be upset because you would consider the
ensuing broken arm or cut on knee requiring either a butterfly bandage or 3
stitches to be "severe"? >>
Message: 11
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:15:24 -0700
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
Subject: Re: 6 Kids in Idaho
Just a note. I don't know how this became a child that was injured (not by
you Vicki, by others) but it was an adult that was walking on their property
in the original news report.
Lynda
Re check the top Lynda. This was from Vicki asking about you or your
child. So now we are into generalities not the case we were speaking about.
Sorry how backwards this copy is but, it's too early to think for this
computer illiterate. :o)
NICKI~ who doesn't know what any of this crap on the keyboard can
actually do for her.
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/01 12:23:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< "Those children are my children, not wards of the state. The state needs to
learn its place and that is not in family business. It is up to them to
explain their behavior to everyone because it affects us all. May the
public demand some answers. May the family be protected for ever and ever.
"May they (the state) be punished for their imposition. But may affairs of
the heart be the purview of love within the home, and may they never be
confused. The Constitution of the United States of America supports this
premise."
-- JoAnn McGuckin's statement was released by her lawyer Sunday >>
Released by her lawyer. Key.
After reading both posts and I will continue to read about this, it sounds
like a both sides covering and making this a public decision. Who's side are
you on sort of thing.
I don't get how it would be thier property free and clear if they were
back in taxes and the State claimed it for back taxes. Then it was sold as
usual in these cases. How is it the McGuckin's property free and clear. Did
they pay their back taxes? Did they go through the proper channels once they
got behind and neglected to pay? I am sure w/ their extenuating circumstances
(ill father) they could have worked something out.
I'll have to keep up w/ this one.
I just don't buy into either sides story completely yet. Something is up
w/ this attorney IMO b/c I doubt the state of Idaho will screw around after
the major troubles w/ the Randy Weaver case.
JMO NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< "Those children are my children, not wards of the state. The state needs to
learn its place and that is not in family business. It is up to them to
explain their behavior to everyone because it affects us all. May the
public demand some answers. May the family be protected for ever and ever.
"May they (the state) be punished for their imposition. But may affairs of
the heart be the purview of love within the home, and may they never be
confused. The Constitution of the United States of America supports this
premise."
-- JoAnn McGuckin's statement was released by her lawyer Sunday >>
Released by her lawyer. Key.
After reading both posts and I will continue to read about this, it sounds
like a both sides covering and making this a public decision. Who's side are
you on sort of thing.
I don't get how it would be thier property free and clear if they were
back in taxes and the State claimed it for back taxes. Then it was sold as
usual in these cases. How is it the McGuckin's property free and clear. Did
they pay their back taxes? Did they go through the proper channels once they
got behind and neglected to pay? I am sure w/ their extenuating circumstances
(ill father) they could have worked something out.
I'll have to keep up w/ this one.
I just don't buy into either sides story completely yet. Something is up
w/ this attorney IMO b/c I doubt the state of Idaho will screw around after
the major troubles w/ the Randy Weaver case.
JMO NICKI~
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/5/01 12:23:06 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Just to put things in perspective, lets discuss
Northern Idaho. Lost of wilderness and resort areas,
tiny communities where everyone knows everyone else.
The police are small town cops who know and care about
their neighbors. They knew this family. They did not
arrive with guns to kick in the door of the house and
drag out screaming children. The arrived, spoke
calmly with one of the older boys for a time, and he
proceeded to run into the house shouting "GET THE
GUNS!" and they let all the dogs loose on the
oficers. The dogs had been locked in the basement via
a legal order to restrain them because of their wild
hunting and endangering neighbors. They had probably
told him that his mother had been taken into custody
would be my guess.
About that woman the dogs attacked, I should have said
the attack was serious and not necessarily the wounds.
Luckily she was rescued by a Sheriff happening along,
who was also attacked and bitten despite firing his
weapon to scare them off. ANY dog attack,
particularly pack attacks is not fun or minor.
Nanci K.
was in my head about Idaho but I couldn't bring it out properly. Also I can
not say enough how I know families like this who train their children to use
guns and the attitude that is instilled.
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< Just to put things in perspective, lets discuss
Northern Idaho. Lost of wilderness and resort areas,
tiny communities where everyone knows everyone else.
The police are small town cops who know and care about
their neighbors. They knew this family. They did not
arrive with guns to kick in the door of the house and
drag out screaming children. The arrived, spoke
calmly with one of the older boys for a time, and he
proceeded to run into the house shouting "GET THE
GUNS!" and they let all the dogs loose on the
oficers. The dogs had been locked in the basement via
a legal order to restrain them because of their wild
hunting and endangering neighbors. They had probably
told him that his mother had been taken into custody
would be my guess.
About that woman the dogs attacked, I should have said
the attack was serious and not necessarily the wounds.
Luckily she was rescued by a Sheriff happening along,
who was also attacked and bitten despite firing his
weapon to scare them off. ANY dog attack,
particularly pack attacks is not fun or minor.
Nanci K.
>>Thank you Nanci. Do you live here in Idaho too? For some reason all that
was in my head about Idaho but I couldn't bring it out properly. Also I can
not say enough how I know families like this who train their children to use
guns and the attitude that is instilled.
NICKI~
Lynda
Nicki,
There have been several similar cases over that last couple of years in and
around this area. The difference this time is that the family didn't give
up and just move off the property or sell out for pennies on the dollar.
Free and clear means they owned the property free and clear, no mortgages.
The government taxes property each year but that has nothing to do with the
property being "free and clear." If the husband hadn't been ill they could
have taken a loan out on the property but they couldn't get anyone to do
that either. The county wasn't interested in helping, the county was only
interested in getting the property into the hands of a developer in order to
increase the tax base.
The county is currently being investigated and, and I believe one lawsuit
has been filed. I also understand from dil's brother (he lives not far from
there) that neopotism is part of this--someone in government has relatives
that are part of the folks that want to develope all this lake front
property.
Lynda
---- Original Message -----
From: <RValvo7626@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1291
There have been several similar cases over that last couple of years in and
around this area. The difference this time is that the family didn't give
up and just move off the property or sell out for pennies on the dollar.
Free and clear means they owned the property free and clear, no mortgages.
The government taxes property each year but that has nothing to do with the
property being "free and clear." If the husband hadn't been ill they could
have taken a loan out on the property but they couldn't get anyone to do
that either. The county wasn't interested in helping, the county was only
interested in getting the property into the hands of a developer in order to
increase the tax base.
The county is currently being investigated and, and I believe one lawsuit
has been filed. I also understand from dil's brother (he lives not far from
there) that neopotism is part of this--someone in government has relatives
that are part of the folks that want to develope all this lake front
property.
Lynda
---- Original Message -----
From: <RValvo7626@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1291
> After reading both posts and I will continue to read about this, itsounds
> like a both sides covering and making this a public decision. Who's sideare
> you on sort of thing.Did
>
> I don't get how it would be thier property free and clear if they were
> back in taxes and the State claimed it for back taxes. Then it was sold as
> usual in these cases. How is it the McGuckin's property free and clear.
> they pay their back taxes? Did they go through the proper channels oncethey
> got behind and neglected to pay? I am sure w/ their extenuatingcircumstances
> (ill father) they could have worked something out.up
>
>
> I'll have to keep up w/ this one.
>
> I just don't buy into either sides story completely yet. Something is
> w/ this attorney IMO b/c I doubt the state of Idaho will screw aroundafter
> the major troubles w/ the Randy Weaver case.
>
> JMO NICKI~
>
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