Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1289
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In a message dated 6/4/01 9:00:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Let's not get carried away with how to define severe. Unless on the
face or
genitals, 17 stitches not exactly an impressive wound. An injury yes,
but
severe is when those dogs in a California building mauled a woman.
Vicki
enough for you?
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< Let's not get carried away with how to define severe. Unless on the
face or
genitals, 17 stitches not exactly an impressive wound. An injury yes,
but
severe is when those dogs in a California building mauled a woman.
Vicki
>>Are you serious? Being bit by a dog and requiring sutures isn't bad
enough for you?
NICKI~
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In a message dated 6/4/01 9:00:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< I don't have enough first hand information about this case to really know
whether the officials' actions were justified or not. But I do have enough
first hand experience to know this will be a traumatic experience for these
children.
child. I can also understand what you are saying about the police interfering
and how it impressed you and still does. When dh was a teen he had a party
and the police busted it and came in w/ weapons drawn. How ludicrous for
busting a teen beer party. They can really go over the top.
But this dept. was very careful from what I read b/c they didn't want
another Randy Weaver fiasco. This is Idaho and we have had our share of this
stuff.
I don't know many more details and I am glad they backed off.
Also I know a few families like this in reguard to training kids in
weaponry. They are firm believers in anti gov't. and so on. These kids
probably weren't as "scared" as you think. Some of these families imagine
this scenario and are prepared for it. I personally know people who believe
these things. It is pretty scary to listen to IMO.
NICKI~
[email protected] writes:
<< I don't have enough first hand information about this case to really know
whether the officials' actions were justified or not. But I do have enough
first hand experience to know this will be a traumatic experience for these
children.
>>I would first like to say I am sorry you had such troubled times as a
child. I can also understand what you are saying about the police interfering
and how it impressed you and still does. When dh was a teen he had a party
and the police busted it and came in w/ weapons drawn. How ludicrous for
busting a teen beer party. They can really go over the top.
But this dept. was very careful from what I read b/c they didn't want
another Randy Weaver fiasco. This is Idaho and we have had our share of this
stuff.
I don't know many more details and I am glad they backed off.
Also I know a few families like this in reguard to training kids in
weaponry. They are firm believers in anti gov't. and so on. These kids
probably weren't as "scared" as you think. Some of these families imagine
this scenario and are prepared for it. I personally know people who believe
these things. It is pretty scary to listen to IMO.
NICKI~
Lynda
How many folks on this list have ever lived in the country? Of those folks,
how many learned gun safety and how to shot a gun at a young age?
And, you bet they are afraid/careful about not having another Randy Weaver
case because the courts just found that folks like the FBI, etc. that shot
up the Weaver family can be tried on criminal charges.
And, is it paranoia when what you feared isn't your imagination but reality?
Lynda
how many learned gun safety and how to shot a gun at a young age?
And, you bet they are afraid/careful about not having another Randy Weaver
case because the courts just found that folks like the FBI, etc. that shot
up the Weaver family can be tried on criminal charges.
And, is it paranoia when what you feared isn't your imagination but reality?
Lynda
----- Original Message ----- >
>
> I would first like to say I am sorry you had such troubled times as a
> child. I can also understand what you are saying about the police
interfering
> and how it impressed you and still does. When dh was a teen he had a party
> and the police busted it and came in w/ weapons drawn. How ludicrous for
> busting a teen beer party. They can really go over the top.
>
> But this dept. was very careful from what I read b/c they didn't want
> another Randy Weaver fiasco. This is Idaho and we have had our share of
this
> stuff.
>
> I don't know many more details and I am glad they backed off.
>
> Also I know a few families like this in reguard to training kids in
> weaponry. They are firm believers in anti gov't. and so on. These kids
> probably weren't as "scared" as you think. Some of these families imagine
> this scenario and are prepared for it. I personally know people who
believe
> these things. It is pretty scary to listen to IMO.
>
> NICKI~
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*Raises hand*
Ive been handling real guns since I was 10 - before that only bb guns.
Oh, I learned gun SAFETY as i learned to walk, but that's not the same
thing *G*.
My son goes out with me to the shooting range and is eagerly awaiting
HIS first bb gun, 'cause responsible behavior with IT means he'll get a
.22 someday
Rachel
Lynda wrote:
Ive been handling real guns since I was 10 - before that only bb guns.
Oh, I learned gun SAFETY as i learned to walk, but that's not the same
thing *G*.
My son goes out with me to the shooting range and is eagerly awaiting
HIS first bb gun, 'cause responsible behavior with IT means he'll get a
.22 someday
Rachel
Lynda wrote:
> How many folks on this list have ever lived in the country? Of those[Yahoo! Domains] [Yahoo! Domains]
> folks,
> how many learned gun safety and how to shot a gun at a young age?
>
> And, you bet they are afraid/careful about not having another Randy
> Weaver
> case because the courts just found that folks like the FBI, etc. that
> shot
> up the Weaver family can be tried on criminal charges.
>
> And, is it paranoia when what you feared isn't your imagination but
> reality?
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- >
> >
> > I would first like to say I am sorry you had such troubled times
> as a
> > child. I can also understand what you are saying about the police
> interfering
> > and how it impressed you and still does. When dh was a teen he had a
> party
> > and the police busted it and came in w/ weapons drawn. How ludicrous
> for
> > busting a teen beer party. They can really go over the top.
> >
> > But this dept. was very careful from what I read b/c they didn't
> want
> > another Randy Weaver fiasco. This is Idaho and we have had our share
> of
> this
> > stuff.
> >
> > I don't know many more details and I am glad they backed off.
> >
> > Also I know a few families like this in reguard to training kids
> in
> > weaponry. They are firm believers in anti gov't. and so on. These
> kids
> > probably weren't as "scared" as you think. Some of these families
> imagine
> > this scenario and are prepared for it. I personally know people who
> believe
> > these things. It is pretty scary to listen to IMO.
> >
> > NICKI~
> >
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My parents were both hunters, and together taught hunter-safety classes (gun
handling, primarily) so the other kids at school thought it was TOTALLY cool
that I was their kid, but I myself hated guns and wouldn't deal with them. I
fired a hunting rifle once, at my dad's insistence, and I got hit in the face
with the scope. When my dad offered me one of his collection before he sold
it off, I declined. I feel kind of bad about that, because it hurt his
feelings. Now I wish I had taken the WWI Russian infantry rifle. But I
didn't.
I don't own a gun.
I've lived where my mom had to pull a snake out from under my bed and kill it
with a hoe. A copperhead, I think. I was four or so, and didn't get to
examine the body. I remember her being VERY forceful, and later scared, and
my dad being concerned when he got home. We lived near Benbrook lake,
pre-suburbs, on farmland, near Fort Worth.
When I was older, my dad usually had a rifle on a gunrack in his pickup
because he worked at very remote locations in New Mexico, sometimes all by
himself at mining sites (on equipment) with nobody around for many miles, and
there are lots of hungry wild animals in the West.
Sandra
handling, primarily) so the other kids at school thought it was TOTALLY cool
that I was their kid, but I myself hated guns and wouldn't deal with them. I
fired a hunting rifle once, at my dad's insistence, and I got hit in the face
with the scope. When my dad offered me one of his collection before he sold
it off, I declined. I feel kind of bad about that, because it hurt his
feelings. Now I wish I had taken the WWI Russian infantry rifle. But I
didn't.
I don't own a gun.
I've lived where my mom had to pull a snake out from under my bed and kill it
with a hoe. A copperhead, I think. I was four or so, and didn't get to
examine the body. I remember her being VERY forceful, and later scared, and
my dad being concerned when he got home. We lived near Benbrook lake,
pre-suburbs, on farmland, near Fort Worth.
When I was older, my dad usually had a rifle on a gunrack in his pickup
because he worked at very remote locations in New Mexico, sometimes all by
himself at mining sites (on equipment) with nobody around for many miles, and
there are lots of hungry wild animals in the West.
Sandra
Dennis/Laurie Brown
I've been around guns my entire life. First shot them on a firing range on
my grandmother's farm (in Idaho, I might add!) when I was about 6 or 7.
Took gun safety classes at the local elementary school at 8 or 9 and my
father was the instructor.
As an adult I also own guns.
I have also had the unfortunate experience of being on the receiving end of
a gunshot wound...so have a very healthy respect for them!
Have lived in rural, urban and suburban areas in several states within US of
A as well as 4 years in Japan.
In addition, I was raised in an abusive household and have had the
experience of having the police forcibly remove me and my siblings from our
home when our mother was not there and we were not in any sort of imminent
danger. (Interesting to note that even though there was active abuse going
on, that was never addressed by any set of authorities and that was not the
justification for removing us from our home.) I was 16 at the time and old
enough to legally be left to babysit other families overnight or for more
than one day, so I think I was capable of taking care of myself and
siblings.
So, am I qualified to have an opinion on these matters? <g> Am I informed
enough to KNOW what has happened in Idaho...? I don't think so. Even I can
only form personal opinions.
Eiraul
my grandmother's farm (in Idaho, I might add!) when I was about 6 or 7.
Took gun safety classes at the local elementary school at 8 or 9 and my
father was the instructor.
As an adult I also own guns.
I have also had the unfortunate experience of being on the receiving end of
a gunshot wound...so have a very healthy respect for them!
Have lived in rural, urban and suburban areas in several states within US of
A as well as 4 years in Japan.
In addition, I was raised in an abusive household and have had the
experience of having the police forcibly remove me and my siblings from our
home when our mother was not there and we were not in any sort of imminent
danger. (Interesting to note that even though there was active abuse going
on, that was never addressed by any set of authorities and that was not the
justification for removing us from our home.) I was 16 at the time and old
enough to legally be left to babysit other families overnight or for more
than one day, so I think I was capable of taking care of myself and
siblings.
So, am I qualified to have an opinion on these matters? <g> Am I informed
enough to KNOW what has happened in Idaho...? I don't think so. Even I can
only form personal opinions.
Eiraul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: June 05, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1289
> How many folks on this list have ever lived in the country? Of those
folks,
> how many learned gun safety and how to shot a gun at a young age?
>
Sharon Rudd
<P>Dear Eiraul and Lynda
<P>Eiraul Me
too.......only I only spent 1 year in Japan. And
the gun safety class was in Oregon. I first shot
rifles at about age 5 in Florida. I had to
support the barrel on a fence. I have lived in
rural and urban areas in Florida, Oregon,
Montana, briefly in Canada, and an suburban area in
Japan. I own gun(s). (Did not have guns
in Japan!! Not even a sharp katana) It is
one of my civil rights to have firearms.
All of my sons own guns. And have been
instructed in their safe and effective use.
<P>I was not removed from my home........but if it had
happened it probably would have been, as you said, for
something that wasn't what was going on!
However, my mother did do some jail time for other
reasons. That weren't right either. Nobody
can REALLY know what goes on in another family.
<P>Are you recovered from your wound? Are
there lasting problems?
<P>Lynda.....Do you shoot? Dunno the laws in your
state for gun ownership and use.
<P>Sharon
<P> <B><I>Dennis/Laurie Brown
<Brownville77@...></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>I've been
around guns my entire life. Took gun safety
classes at the local elementary school at 8 or 9 and
my<BR>father was the instructor.<BR><BR>As an adult I
also own guns.<BR>Have lived in rural, urban and
suburban areas in several states within US of<BR>A as
well as 4 years in Japan.<BR><BR>In addition, I was
raised in an abusive household and have had
the<BR>experience of having the police forcibly So, am
I qualified to have an opinion on these matters?
<g> Am I informed<BR>enough to KNOW what
has happened in Idaho...? I don't think
so. Even I can<BR>only form personal
opinions.<BR><BR>Eiraul<BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Lynda"
<lurine@...><BR>To:
<[email protected]><BR>Sent:
June 05, 2001 11:09 PM<BR>Subject: Re:
[Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number
1289<BR><BR><BR>> How many folks on this list have
ever lived in the country? Of
those<BR>folks,<BR>> how many learned gun safety
and how to shot a gun at a young age?<BR>><BR><BR><BR></TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P>Eiraul Me
too.......only I only spent 1 year in Japan. And
the gun safety class was in Oregon. I first shot
rifles at about age 5 in Florida. I had to
support the barrel on a fence. I have lived in
rural and urban areas in Florida, Oregon,
Montana, briefly in Canada, and an suburban area in
Japan. I own gun(s). (Did not have guns
in Japan!! Not even a sharp katana) It is
one of my civil rights to have firearms.
All of my sons own guns. And have been
instructed in their safe and effective use.
<P>I was not removed from my home........but if it had
happened it probably would have been, as you said, for
something that wasn't what was going on!
However, my mother did do some jail time for other
reasons. That weren't right either. Nobody
can REALLY know what goes on in another family.
<P>Are you recovered from your wound? Are
there lasting problems?
<P>Lynda.....Do you shoot? Dunno the laws in your
state for gun ownership and use.
<P>Sharon
<P> <B><I>Dennis/Laurie Brown
<Brownville77@...></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>I've been
around guns my entire life. Took gun safety
classes at the local elementary school at 8 or 9 and
my<BR>father was the instructor.<BR><BR>As an adult I
also own guns.<BR>Have lived in rural, urban and
suburban areas in several states within US of<BR>A as
well as 4 years in Japan.<BR><BR>In addition, I was
raised in an abusive household and have had
the<BR>experience of having the police forcibly So, am
I qualified to have an opinion on these matters?
<g> Am I informed<BR>enough to KNOW what
has happened in Idaho...? I don't think
so. Even I can<BR>only form personal
opinions.<BR><BR>Eiraul<BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Lynda"
<lurine@...><BR>To:
<[email protected]><BR>Sent:
June 05, 2001 11:09 PM<BR>Subject: Re:
[Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number
1289<BR><BR><BR>> How many folks on this list have
ever lived in the country? Of
those<BR>folks,<BR>> how many learned gun safety
and how to shot a gun at a young age?<BR>><BR><BR><BR></TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Rudd" <bearspawprint@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: June 07, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] rural homes and guns
>Are you recovered from your wound? Are
> there lasting problems?
Yes, all better, thank you. It happened when I was a youth (11 or 12).
Wound to the chest, with the pellet lodged against a rib. Took a couple
hours of surgery to remove. Very happy that it was 'only' a pellet gun and
that it lodged against a rib rather than going through my lung or heart.
It was a traumatic experience, for sure. Basically only left a scar and an
even healthier respect for the power of guns and reinforcement to follow my
personal instincts.
Thanks for your post. It's nice to know I'm not the only one with such a
'checkered past'. <g>
Eiraul
Lynda
We don't currently own any guns but when we finally find a place in the
boonies (we are soooo picky it even bugs me <g>), we will again have guns.
I learned young as there were many hunters, military, cops and even one
chief of police in the family and everyone felt that regardless of
ownership, a person should know all about the use of a gun.
I've never hunted game but have shot dogs. When you have (we had) a large
ranch you either protect your livestock or you go broke.
Lynda
boonies (we are soooo picky it even bugs me <g>), we will again have guns.
I learned young as there were many hunters, military, cops and even one
chief of police in the family and everyone felt that regardless of
ownership, a person should know all about the use of a gun.
I've never hunted game but have shot dogs. When you have (we had) a large
ranch you either protect your livestock or you go broke.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Rudd" <bearspawprint@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] rural homes and guns
> <P>Dear Eiraul and Lynda
> <P>Eiraul Me
> too.......only I only spent 1 year in Japan. And
> the gun safety class was in Oregon. I first shot
> rifles at about age 5 in Florida. I had to
> support the barrel on a fence. I have lived in
> rural and urban areas in Florida, Oregon,
> Montana, briefly in Canada, and an suburban area in
> Japan. I own gun(s). (Did not have guns
> in Japan!! Not even a sharp katana) It is
> one of my civil rights to have firearms.
> All of my sons own guns. And have been
> instructed in their safe and effective use.
> <P>I was not removed from my home........but if it had
> happened it probably would have been, as you said, for
> something that wasn't what was going on!
> However, my mother did do some jail time for other
> reasons. That weren't right either. Nobody
> can REALLY know what goes on in another family.
> <P>Are you recovered from your wound? Are
> there lasting problems?
> <P>Lynda.....Do you shoot? Dunno the laws in your
> state for gun ownership and use.
> <P>Sharon