HSLDA membership question
Annette Yunker
I have considered joining the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA)
to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed individual
choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some other
branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a particular
concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA on-line,
but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name) indicates
that "By signing the application, we agree:
1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible way.
2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of
education to instruct our children.
3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
Thanks, Annette
to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed individual
choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some other
branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a particular
concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA on-line,
but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name) indicates
that "By signing the application, we agree:
1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible way.
2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of
education to instruct our children.
3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
Thanks, Annette
LisaBugg
HSLDA has a long and checkered past within the homeschooling community. You
will want to read a great deal before you sign anything. I know of one
unschooler they refused outright, and returned her application fee. She's
on this list, but I'm not sure if she's reading carefully just now.
Here's the link you should start with http://www.expage.com/page/folchslda
Those new to unschooling usually feel they need to be "protected" from the
school board and social services, and I do understand the worries. I have an
ex husband that kept me in court for 18 months. But given this experience,
along with unschooling for 12 years, I believe paid protection is not in our
best interest. Empowerment, working to stand our own ground serves us much
better. Knowing your state law and making conscious decisions on how to
comply or not usually is all you truly need. While there are a few pockets
of tension and a few states with really onerous laws, for the most part
homeschooling is now mainstream, with no one giving it a second glance.
Have you had specific problems where you are?
Lisa
will want to read a great deal before you sign anything. I know of one
unschooler they refused outright, and returned her application fee. She's
on this list, but I'm not sure if she's reading carefully just now.
Here's the link you should start with http://www.expage.com/page/folchslda
Those new to unschooling usually feel they need to be "protected" from the
school board and social services, and I do understand the worries. I have an
ex husband that kept me in court for 18 months. But given this experience,
along with unschooling for 12 years, I believe paid protection is not in our
best interest. Empowerment, working to stand our own ground serves us much
better. Knowing your state law and making conscious decisions on how to
comply or not usually is all you truly need. While there are a few pockets
of tension and a few states with really onerous laws, for the most part
homeschooling is now mainstream, with no one giving it a second glance.
Have you had specific problems where you are?
Lisa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
> I have considered joining the Home School Legal Defense Association
(HSLDA)
> to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed
individual
> choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some
other
> branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a
particular
> concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA on-line,
> but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name)
indicates
> that "By signing the application, we agree:
> 1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible way.
> 2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of
> education to instruct our children.
> 3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
> There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
>
> Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
> unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
> organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
>
> Thanks, Annette
>
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Lynda
H$LDA is all about collecting your money and pushing exclusive Christian
school-at-home homeschooling. You also need to know that they do not
guarantee that they will take a case if you should ever have one even if you
have paid your fees.
They have been known to send folks to members' homes to check and be sure
that they were doing homeschooling the "right" way.
Mary McCarthy wrote a really good article on what one should do before
giving Farris and the crew their money. I had it somewhere before the
computer started acting up. If you go over to HEM-Networking, I'm sure Mary
would post it again.
Lynda
school-at-home homeschooling. You also need to know that they do not
guarantee that they will take a case if you should ever have one even if you
have paid your fees.
They have been known to send folks to members' homes to check and be sure
that they were doing homeschooling the "right" way.
Mary McCarthy wrote a really good article on what one should do before
giving Farris and the crew their money. I had it somewhere before the
computer started acting up. If you go over to HEM-Networking, I'm sure Mary
would post it again.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
> I have considered joining the Home School Legal Defense Association
(HSLDA)
> to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed
individual
> choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some
other
> branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a
particular
> concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA on-line,
> but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name)
indicates
> that "By signing the application, we agree:
> 1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible way.
> 2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of
> education to instruct our children.
> 3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
> There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
>
> Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
> unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
> organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
>
> Thanks, Annette
>
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Patti
In essence, it means to use one of their approved curriculums (Bob Jones,
Abeka, Sonlight, etc.), keep daily records and attendance, test often and
keep the same schedules as your local schools as far as holidays and time
spent in class. It is not worth it, imo.
Patti
At 11:23 PM 5/31/01, you wrote:
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Abeka, Sonlight, etc.), keep daily records and attendance, test often and
keep the same schedules as your local schools as far as holidays and time
spent in class. It is not worth it, imo.
Patti
At 11:23 PM 5/31/01, you wrote:
>Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both_________________________________________________________
>unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
>organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
>
>Thanks, Annette
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In a message dated 06/01/2001 3:36:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, amyunker@...
writes:
I wouldn't -- but that's me. Where do you live that you are afraid of the
authorities checking on you like this?
I think it means just what it says -- which sure isn't my version of hsing.
I have read all sorts of things about HSLDA -- some hsers support them and
some hsers hate them. And much emotion gets brought into the discussion
which clouds, imo, any ability for a new hser to decide if this sort of thing
would be a benefit or not in their own personal situation.
I think you have to do a lot of research about your state, the laws/regs, how
they are actually enforced, talk to hsing support groups and other individual
hsers in your area, read about HSLDA practices, take everything related to
this topic with a huge grain of salt, and decide for yourself.
Good luck. I know many people struggle with this question.
Nance
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writes:
> Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience bothNo.
> unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
> organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
>
> Thanks, Annette
>
>
>
I wouldn't -- but that's me. Where do you live that you are afraid of the
authorities checking on you like this?
I think it means just what it says -- which sure isn't my version of hsing.
I have read all sorts of things about HSLDA -- some hsers support them and
some hsers hate them. And much emotion gets brought into the discussion
which clouds, imo, any ability for a new hser to decide if this sort of thing
would be a benefit or not in their own personal situation.
I think you have to do a lot of research about your state, the laws/regs, how
they are actually enforced, talk to hsing support groups and other individual
hsers in your area, read about HSLDA practices, take everything related to
this topic with a huge grain of salt, and decide for yourself.
Good luck. I know many people struggle with this question.
Nance
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In a message dated 5/31/01 9:36:17 PM, amyunker@... writes:
<< Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
Some people have unschooled and signed. I guess they don't have a good
conscience.
They mean a storebought school-style curriculum which you lead your kids
through school-style.
Sandra
<< Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience both
unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
>>I haven't.
Some people have unschooled and signed. I guess they don't have a good
conscience.
They mean a storebought school-style curriculum which you lead your kids
through school-style.
Sandra
kate mcdaniel
HSLDA is about protecting the right to homeschool. If you do not have the
records that the State requires, how can ANY legal defense properly defend
you?
As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing. If you are
financially and factually able to do so without the aid of HSLDA, then do
not join.
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records that the State requires, how can ANY legal defense properly defend
you?
As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing. If you are
financially and factually able to do so without the aid of HSLDA, then do
not join.
On Thu, 31 May 2001 22:06:43 -0700, [email protected]
wrote:
> H$LDA is all about collecting your money and pushing exclusive Christianyou
> school-at-home homeschooling. You also need to know that they do not
> guarantee that they will take a case if you should ever have one even if
> have paid your fees.Mary
>
> They have been known to send folks to members' homes to check and be sure
> that they were doing homeschooling the "right" way.
>
> Mary McCarthy wrote a really good article on what one should do before
> giving Farris and the crew their money. I had it somewhere before the
> computer started acting up. If you go over to HEM-Networking, I'm sure
> would post it again.on-line,
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
>
>
> > I have considered joining the Home School Legal Defense Association
> (HSLDA)
> > to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed
> individual
> > choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some
> other
> > branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a
> particular
> > concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA
> > but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name)way.
> indicates
> > that "By signing the application, we agree:
> > 1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible
> > 2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program ofboth
> > education to instruct our children.
> > 3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
> > There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
> >
> > Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience
> > unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "anhttp://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of education"?
> >
> > Thanks, Annette
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
personal and coporate record you'll find a great deal that belies this
assumption.
If you do not have the
there weren't any homeschooling laws to comply with. If it weren't for the
foks who agreed to break the law in the first place, you wouldn't have a
homeschooling movement. For us to now say that the only real way to do this
is to make sure you please the master......welllll, it's a bit short sighted
if you ask me.
Besides that, in my state I don't show the state __anything__. I don't
prove myself in any way to any one else. And if my law weren't written that
way, I'd be a lawbreaker. ;) I don't owe Ceaser my children, nor their
minds.
HSLDA could have been a great proponent of grass roots activism and
responsibility. Unfortuately it's become a puppet of the government it says
it will protect us from.
Not that I have an opinion or anything. <g>
Lisa
If you are
> HSLDA is about protecting the right to homeschool.Actually, this motive is up for debate. If you take a look at their
personal and coporate record you'll find a great deal that belies this
assumption.
If you do not have the
> records that the State requires, how can ANY legal defense properly defendWeeeeellllllllll, you know a very long time ago, all of say 20 years ago,
> you?
> As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
> education since that is what you are professing to be doing.
there weren't any homeschooling laws to comply with. If it weren't for the
foks who agreed to break the law in the first place, you wouldn't have a
homeschooling movement. For us to now say that the only real way to do this
is to make sure you please the master......welllll, it's a bit short sighted
if you ask me.
Besides that, in my state I don't show the state __anything__. I don't
prove myself in any way to any one else. And if my law weren't written that
way, I'd be a lawbreaker. ;) I don't owe Ceaser my children, nor their
minds.
HSLDA could have been a great proponent of grass roots activism and
responsibility. Unfortuately it's become a puppet of the government it says
it will protect us from.
Not that I have an opinion or anything. <g>
Lisa
If you are
> financially and factually able to do so without the aid of HSLDA, then doChristian
> not join.
> On Thu, 31 May 2001 22:06:43 -0700, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
> > H$LDA is all about collecting your money and pushing exclusive
> > school-at-home homeschooling. You also need to know that they do notif
> > guarantee that they will take a case if you should ever have one even
> yousure
> > have paid your fees.
> >
> > They have been known to send folks to members' homes to check and be
> > that they were doing homeschooling the "right" way.of
> >
> > Mary McCarthy wrote a really good article on what one should do before
> > giving Farris and the crew their money. I had it somewhere before the
> > computer started acting up. If you go over to HEM-Networking, I'm sure
> Mary
> > would post it again.
> >
> > Lynda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Annette Yunker" <amyunker@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:23 PM
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
> >
> >
> > > I have considered joining the Home School Legal Defense Association
> > (HSLDA)
> > > to afford myself of the legal protection should some misinformed
> > individual
> > > choose to involve Social Services, the School Superintendent, or some
> > other
> > > branch of the government with allegations against me. This is a
> > particular
> > > concern of mine since I am an unschooler. I tried to join HSLDA
> on-line,
> > > but at the end of the application the signature (or typed-in name)
> > indicates
> > > that "By signing the application, we agree:
> > > 1. To exercise diligence in teaching our children in a responsible
> way.
> > > 2. To use an organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program
> > > education to instruct our children.education"?
> > > 3. To keep records of each child's educational process.
> > > There are more statements, which do not apply to my question.
> > >
> > > Have any of you joined HSLDA? If so, how do you in good conscience
> both
> > > unschool and sign this agreement? What do you think they mean by "an
> > > organized curriculum and a clearly recognizable program of
> > >
> > > Thanks, Annette
> > >
> > >
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In a message dated 06/01/2001 one person wrote:
Good luck. :)
Nance
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> HSLDA is about protecting the right to homeschool.And another person wrote:
>
> > H$LDA is all about collecting your money and pushing exclusive ChristianClear as mud now, Annette??
> > school-at-home homeschooling.
Good luck. :)
Nance
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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., marbleface@a... wrote:
get any takers on whether or not an unschooler could technically
qualify for membership. I guess HSLDA doesn't want to get stuck
defending the (in their eyes) indefensible. Wouldn't you hate to
send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
curriculum issue?
Annette
>CAM - exactly! I guess nobody admitted to membership, and I didn't
> Clear as mud now, Annette??
>
> Good luck. :)
>
> Nance
get any takers on whether or not an unschooler could technically
qualify for membership. I guess HSLDA doesn't want to get stuck
defending the (in their eyes) indefensible. Wouldn't you hate to
send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
curriculum issue?
Annette
LisaBugg
>Partly this is because HSLDA speaks out of both sides of it's mouth in
> CAM - exactly! I guess nobody admitted to membership, and I didn't
> get any takers on whether or not an unschooler could technically
> qualify for membership.
regard to unschooling. Mike Farris has made no secret of his belief that
unschoolers can be neglectful and that it would be hard to prove anything in
court. HSLDA has returned the application fee of one person that we know
of when they used the word unschooler on their application.
In Feb of this year they redesigned their website and removed a great many
of the statements that could be contsrued to not support unschooling. It's
a guess that with the new book out called Christian Unschooling and the
growth of Christian unschooling websites, their blatant and vocal diresion
in regard to us has been toned down.
Please read all the information out there though, because their stance on
unschooling is really the least of the problems I have with the
organization.
I guess HSLDA doesn't want to get stuck
> defending the (in their eyes) indefensible. Wouldn't you hate to
> send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
> curriculum issue?
> Annette
>
[email protected]
In a message dated 06/01/2001 11:55:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
amyunker@... writes:
realize they probably weren't talking about me. You know, the HSLDA just
isn't pounding my door down to join. Guess they have enough atheist
unschoolers!! :)
Have fun!
Nance
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amyunker@... writes:
> Clear as mud now, Annette??Yes, I would. But I, like you, would read the application carefully and
> >
> > Good luck. :)
> >
> > Nance
>
> CAM - exactly! I guess nobody admitted to membership, and I didn't
> get any takers on whether or not an unschooler could technically
> qualify for membership. I guess HSLDA doesn't want to get stuck
> defending the (in their eyes) indefensible. Wouldn't you hate to
> send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
> curriculum issue?
> Annette
>
>
>
realize they probably weren't talking about me. You know, the HSLDA just
isn't pounding my door down to join. Guess they have enough atheist
unschoolers!! :)
Have fun!
Nance
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In a message dated 6/1/01 5:55:49 PM, amyunker@... writes:
<< Wouldn't you hate to
send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
curriculum issue? >>
I think that's why they clarified that, so they couldn't be accused of taking
someone's money and not then providing the services. The application didn't
have so much detail nine years ago.
Sandra
<< Wouldn't you hate to
send them your money and get left hanging out to dry just due to the
curriculum issue? >>
I think that's why they clarified that, so they couldn't be accused of taking
someone's money and not then providing the services. The application didn't
have so much detail nine years ago.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 6/1/01 1:48:03 PM, K8MCD@... writes:
<< As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing. >>
State laws are very different. To which state were you referring?
Sandra
<< As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing. >>
State laws are very different. To which state were you referring?
Sandra
kate mcdaniel
I was not referring to any particular state. Each state has laws. I
currently educate my children in the state of Mo. We are to keep track of
core and non-core hours. We are to keep a diary/journal recording progress
of the child. We are not required to give annual tests such as the Iowa
Basics.
We are going to relocate to MN soon. There we are required to test
annually. We are required to report every Oct. of our intent to school. We
are required to report quarterly if there is not a Bacc. degree in the
house. I have not found were we have to track core or non-core hours.
I am not defending HSDLA. I am saying any attorney would need proof to
defend in a court of law. After this incident with the mother being taken
into custody , supposedly being "mental" a little over a week after her
husband dies, we all need to be careful. Who knows what "well-meaning"
neighbor might decide to turn us all in for being "mental" for keeping our
children at home.
currently educate my children in the state of Mo. We are to keep track of
core and non-core hours. We are to keep a diary/journal recording progress
of the child. We are not required to give annual tests such as the Iowa
Basics.
We are going to relocate to MN soon. There we are required to test
annually. We are required to report every Oct. of our intent to school. We
are required to report quarterly if there is not a Bacc. degree in the
house. I have not found were we have to track core or non-core hours.
I am not defending HSDLA. I am saying any attorney would need proof to
defend in a court of law. After this incident with the mother being taken
into custody , supposedly being "mental" a little over a week after her
husband dies, we all need to be careful. Who knows what "well-meaning"
neighbor might decide to turn us all in for being "mental" for keeping our
children at home.
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:39:21 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/1/01 1:48:03 PM, K8MCD@... writes:
>
> << As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof
of
> education since that is what you are professing to be doing. >>
>
> State laws are very different. To which state were you referring?
>
> Sandra
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Lynda
I think that case is more about greed (lake front property) and paranoia
(they raise wolf-hybrids) than it is about homeschooling.
Lynda
(they raise wolf-hybrids) than it is about homeschooling.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "kate mcdaniel" <K8MCD@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] HSLDA membership question
> I was not referring to any particular state. Each state has laws. I
> currently educate my children in the state of Mo. We are to keep track of
> core and non-core hours. We are to keep a diary/journal recording
progress
> of the child. We are not required to give annual tests such as the Iowa
> Basics.
> We are going to relocate to MN soon. There we are required to test
> annually. We are required to report every Oct. of our intent to school.
We
> are required to report quarterly if there is not a Bacc. degree in the
> house. I have not found were we have to track core or non-core hours.
> I am not defending HSDLA. I am saying any attorney would need proof to
> defend in a court of law. After this incident with the mother being taken
> into custody , supposedly being "mental" a little over a week after her
> husband dies, we all need to be careful. Who knows what "well-meaning"
> neighbor might decide to turn us all in for being "mental" for keeping our
> children at home.
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:39:21 EDT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 6/1/01 1:48:03 PM, K8MCD@... writes:
> >
> > << As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide
proof
> of
> > education since that is what you are professing to be doing. >>
> >
> > State laws are very different. To which state were you referring?
> >
> > Sandra
>
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In a message dated 6/2/01 1:41:56 AM, K8MCD@... writes:
<< I was not referring to any particular state. Each state has laws. >>
Most don't require record keeping.
<< I am saying any attorney would need proof to
defend in a court of law. >>
They're proving that homeschooling is legal. That's easy.
The amount of record keeping that goes on in public schools is very VERY
light. If asked, they would show the textbook, without showing which parts
they skipped or never got to. Or they would show the teacher's lesson plan
book; ditto. Mine used to go blank for weeks, and I was never in trouble.
When I quit they were asking me to be head of the department the following
year. I was 26.
A slow-seeming, confused family with a curriculum (just as a lost-seeming
teacher with a great lesson plan book) can be seen as more suspect than a
quick, zippy, active, smiling family without a written record in the world.
-=-As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof
of education -=-
This depends on the state.
I do agree we should be careful not to antagonize the neighbors or to appear
nutso. But frightening other homeschoolers to believe that any minute the
government will swoop in is unnecessary, and it is the kind of tactic HSLDA
depends on.
Sandra
<< I was not referring to any particular state. Each state has laws. >>
Most don't require record keeping.
<< I am saying any attorney would need proof to
defend in a court of law. >>
They're proving that homeschooling is legal. That's easy.
The amount of record keeping that goes on in public schools is very VERY
light. If asked, they would show the textbook, without showing which parts
they skipped or never got to. Or they would show the teacher's lesson plan
book; ditto. Mine used to go blank for weeks, and I was never in trouble.
When I quit they were asking me to be head of the department the following
year. I was 26.
A slow-seeming, confused family with a curriculum (just as a lost-seeming
teacher with a great lesson plan book) can be seen as more suspect than a
quick, zippy, active, smiling family without a written record in the world.
-=-As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof
of education -=-
This depends on the state.
I do agree we should be careful not to antagonize the neighbors or to appear
nutso. But frightening other homeschoolers to believe that any minute the
government will swoop in is unnecessary, and it is the kind of tactic HSLDA
depends on.
Sandra
[email protected]
** If you do not have therecords that the State requires, how can ANY legal
defense properly defend you?
As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing.**
First, I'm not sure what "proof of education" means in this context. In any
case, state laws vary extremely. In both states we've homeschooled in we are
considered to be private schools. In neither was a private school required to
provide "proof of education" for their students. One required us to keep
attendance records, instructor qualifications, and brief overview of courses
of study offered. The other requires a private school to keep immunization
records and proof of required physicals. These aren't the only examples.
Deborah
defense properly defend you?
As a parent you are legally bound by your state laws to provide proof of
education since that is what you are professing to be doing.**
First, I'm not sure what "proof of education" means in this context. In any
case, state laws vary extremely. In both states we've homeschooled in we are
considered to be private schools. In neither was a private school required to
provide "proof of education" for their students. One required us to keep
attendance records, instructor qualifications, and brief overview of courses
of study offered. The other requires a private school to keep immunization
records and proof of required physicals. These aren't the only examples.
Deborah
[email protected]
In a message dated 06/03/2001 4:09:49 AM !!!First Boot!!!, DACunefare@...
writes:
Just made me picture the "proof" -- checking back with the kids in 20-50
years to see how they're doing!
Nance
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writes:
> First, I'm not sure what "proof of education" means in this context.LOL --
Just made me picture the "proof" -- checking back with the kids in 20-50
years to see how they're doing!
Nance
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