Speaking of Racism and Ethnic Origins
Lynda
For those interested in some of the outcomes from the last census, this is
interesting. The same was seen in Texas and Arizona.
http://www.indianz.com/SmokeSignals/Headlines/showfull.asp?ID=pol/5222001-6
N.M. Hispanics reject categories
MAY 22, 2001
Foregoing a number of national origin classifications, majority of Hispanics
in New Mexico consider themselves "other Hispanic" when asked the question
on the Census 2000.
The phenomenon was most evident in northern New Mexico, the location of the
state's first capitol and where Spanish explorers first settled. It is also
home to a number of Pueblos, where intermarriage is common.
A number of Hispanics in this area consider themselves of Spanish descent,
tracing their ancestry to the first families who settled in the area. Others
say they are mixed
Hispanic and Indian.
Many also differentiate themselves from recent Mexican immigrants.
Get the Story:
State's Hispanics Are Their Own Melting Pot (AP 5/22)
Lynda
If Ignorance Is Bliss Why Aren't More People Happy?
interesting. The same was seen in Texas and Arizona.
http://www.indianz.com/SmokeSignals/Headlines/showfull.asp?ID=pol/5222001-6
N.M. Hispanics reject categories
MAY 22, 2001
Foregoing a number of national origin classifications, majority of Hispanics
in New Mexico consider themselves "other Hispanic" when asked the question
on the Census 2000.
The phenomenon was most evident in northern New Mexico, the location of the
state's first capitol and where Spanish explorers first settled. It is also
home to a number of Pueblos, where intermarriage is common.
A number of Hispanics in this area consider themselves of Spanish descent,
tracing their ancestry to the first families who settled in the area. Others
say they are mixed
Hispanic and Indian.
Many also differentiate themselves from recent Mexican immigrants.
Get the Story:
State's Hispanics Are Their Own Melting Pot (AP 5/22)
Lynda
If Ignorance Is Bliss Why Aren't More People Happy?
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In a message dated 5/22/01 12:12:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
federal funds for schools for each enrolled Indian (1/4 or more) and for
children whose parents work on federal land (and much of the state is federal
land one way or another).
Once when I was teaching we were to count and send stats to the office, in
homerooms. We counted halves in my class, with much happy discussion. I
don't remember the exact numbers except I remember we had 1.5 Indians. It
was three kids who were half--two Hispanic and one Anglo, I think. (AND,
btw, in northern New Mexico, there are no "white" people. It is HORRIBLY
outside the pale to say "white," because the hispanics in Northern New Mexico
are unquestionably white. And "Anglo" doesn't mean "of England," it means
English speaking, non-hispanic, non-Indian. When I was a kid, black kids
were Anglo, when there were any.)
We had some number of hispanics (at the time I think the overall population
breakdown in the area was 15% Indian, 15% Anglo and 70% Hispanic). 1 of them
was those leftover halves of the two Indian kids.
I was aware of being obstructionist, and I knew the office knew. The kids
were HIGHLY amused, and the discussion invovled their frustration at always
having to pick one or the other. I told them what it was really for, and
what they needed the stats for.
So of course, the assistant principal wandered up the hall with our stats
sheet and wearily said, "Okay, this isn't right." After a spirited defense
of our count, we did the recount. Half Indian was Indian. A quarter was
Indian (we had no quarters in that group). Half Anglo didn't matter
(Anglo/Hispanic mix went to Hispanic). The only counted Anglos were those
who had neither a Hispanic nor an Indian parent.
That was twenty years ago.
All of my cousins, neices and nephews younger than 30 are half something.
Most of my Indian friends married Anglos. Statistically, that just all UPS
the count of who's what--as though Anglos are disappearing in the area.
They're not, they're just intermarrying.
My brother in law is a Trujillo, from a land-owning bunch of guys, and he's
one of two children so they'll have some land--not lots, but it has been in
the family for a long time. They live about five miles past San Juan Pueblo.
The kids went to San Juan Elementary when they weren't homeschooling. (I
started second grade there myself, but transferred to Espanola Elementary.)
That area is the site of San Gabriel, the first Hispanic settlement (as
opposed to explorer's camps--they were farming and building houses) in what
is now the U.S., 1598. The names on the list of explorers who were with
Onate are almost all still in evidence in northern New Mexico. Some common
Mexican names aren't heard there at all--they're very foreign. And the
people from Mexico look different, and speak a different dialect of Spanish.
The history of Spanish in northern New Mexico, and religion (the story of the
Penitentes) is fascinating, but the population is low so it's just a
curiosity for people outside the area. This whole state has about 1.6
million people and some air bases of temps.
Sandra, who went to Espanola Elementary, and then Espanola Jr. High, and
Espanola High School, along with the kids from San Juan and Santa Clara
Pueblos
Sandra
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lurine@... writes:
> The phenomenon was most evident in northern New Mexico, the location of theEspanola, where I grew up, has a heck of a time doing fair stats. There are
> state's first capitol and where Spanish explorers first settled. It is also
> home to a number of Pueblos, where intermarriage is common.
>
> A number of Hispanics in this area consider themselves of Spanish descent,
> tracing their ancestry to the first families who settled in the area. Others
> say they are mixed
> Hispanic and Indian.
>
federal funds for schools for each enrolled Indian (1/4 or more) and for
children whose parents work on federal land (and much of the state is federal
land one way or another).
Once when I was teaching we were to count and send stats to the office, in
homerooms. We counted halves in my class, with much happy discussion. I
don't remember the exact numbers except I remember we had 1.5 Indians. It
was three kids who were half--two Hispanic and one Anglo, I think. (AND,
btw, in northern New Mexico, there are no "white" people. It is HORRIBLY
outside the pale to say "white," because the hispanics in Northern New Mexico
are unquestionably white. And "Anglo" doesn't mean "of England," it means
English speaking, non-hispanic, non-Indian. When I was a kid, black kids
were Anglo, when there were any.)
We had some number of hispanics (at the time I think the overall population
breakdown in the area was 15% Indian, 15% Anglo and 70% Hispanic). 1 of them
was those leftover halves of the two Indian kids.
I was aware of being obstructionist, and I knew the office knew. The kids
were HIGHLY amused, and the discussion invovled their frustration at always
having to pick one or the other. I told them what it was really for, and
what they needed the stats for.
So of course, the assistant principal wandered up the hall with our stats
sheet and wearily said, "Okay, this isn't right." After a spirited defense
of our count, we did the recount. Half Indian was Indian. A quarter was
Indian (we had no quarters in that group). Half Anglo didn't matter
(Anglo/Hispanic mix went to Hispanic). The only counted Anglos were those
who had neither a Hispanic nor an Indian parent.
That was twenty years ago.
All of my cousins, neices and nephews younger than 30 are half something.
Most of my Indian friends married Anglos. Statistically, that just all UPS
the count of who's what--as though Anglos are disappearing in the area.
They're not, they're just intermarrying.
My brother in law is a Trujillo, from a land-owning bunch of guys, and he's
one of two children so they'll have some land--not lots, but it has been in
the family for a long time. They live about five miles past San Juan Pueblo.
The kids went to San Juan Elementary when they weren't homeschooling. (I
started second grade there myself, but transferred to Espanola Elementary.)
That area is the site of San Gabriel, the first Hispanic settlement (as
opposed to explorer's camps--they were farming and building houses) in what
is now the U.S., 1598. The names on the list of explorers who were with
Onate are almost all still in evidence in northern New Mexico. Some common
Mexican names aren't heard there at all--they're very foreign. And the
people from Mexico look different, and speak a different dialect of Spanish.
The history of Spanish in northern New Mexico, and religion (the story of the
Penitentes) is fascinating, but the population is low so it's just a
curiosity for people outside the area. This whole state has about 1.6
million people and some air bases of temps.
Sandra, who went to Espanola Elementary, and then Espanola Jr. High, and
Espanola High School, along with the kids from San Juan and Santa Clara
Pueblos
Sandra
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Johanna
I am rebellious with ethnic definitions also. My children are anglo-hispanic-indian. Which one do you pick? Why do I have to, so someone can get more money I will never benefit from?
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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From: SandraDodd@...
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Speaking of Racism and Ethnic Origins
In a message dated 5/22/01 12:12:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
> The phenomenon was most evident in northern New Mexico, the location of the
> state's first capitol and where Spanish explorers first settled. It is also
> home to a number of Pueblos, where intermarriage is common.
>
> A number of Hispanics in this area consider themselves of Spanish descent,
> tracing their ancestry to the first families who settled in the area. Others
> say they are mixed
> Hispanic and Indian.
>
Espanola, where I grew up, has a heck of a time doing fair stats. There are
federal funds for schools for each enrolled Indian (1/4 or more) and for
children whose parents work on federal land (and much of the state is federal
land one way or another).
Once when I was teaching we were to count and send stats to the office, in
homerooms. We counted halves in my class, with much happy discussion. I
don't remember the exact numbers except I remember we had 1.5 Indians. It
was three kids who were half--two Hispanic and one Anglo, I think. (AND,
btw, in northern New Mexico, there are no "white" people. It is HORRIBLY
outside the pale to say "white," because the hispanics in Northern New Mexico
are unquestionably white. And "Anglo" doesn't mean "of England," it means
English speaking, non-hispanic, non-Indian. When I was a kid, black kids
were Anglo, when there were any.)
We had some number of hispanics (at the time I think the overall population
breakdown in the area was 15% Indian, 15% Anglo and 70% Hispanic). 1 of them
was those leftover halves of the two Indian kids.
I was aware of being obstructionist, and I knew the office knew. The kids
were HIGHLY amused, and the discussion invovled their frustration at always
having to pick one or the other. I told them what it was really for, and
what they needed the stats for.
So of course, the assistant principal wandered up the hall with our stats
sheet and wearily said, "Okay, this isn't right." After a spirited defense
of our count, we did the recount. Half Indian was Indian. A quarter was
Indian (we had no quarters in that group). Half Anglo didn't matter
(Anglo/Hispanic mix went to Hispanic). The only counted Anglos were those
who had neither a Hispanic nor an Indian parent.
That was twenty years ago.
All of my cousins, neices and nephews younger than 30 are half something.
Most of my Indian friends married Anglos. Statistically, that just all UPS
the count of who's what--as though Anglos are disappearing in the area.
They're not, they're just intermarrying.
My brother in law is a Trujillo, from a land-owning bunch of guys, and he's
one of two children so they'll have some land--not lots, but it has been in
the family for a long time. They live about five miles past San Juan Pueblo.
The kids went to San Juan Elementary when they weren't homeschooling. (I
started second grade there myself, but transferred to Espanola Elementary.)
That area is the site of San Gabriel, the first Hispanic settlement (as
opposed to explorer's camps--they were farming and building houses) in what
is now the U.S., 1598. The names on the list of explorers who were with
Onate are almost all still in evidence in northern New Mexico. Some common
Mexican names aren't heard there at all--they're very foreign. And the
people from Mexico look different, and speak a different dialect of Spanish.
The history of Spanish in northern New Mexico, and religion (the story of the
Penitentes) is fascinating, but the population is low so it's just a
curiosity for people outside the area. This whole state has about 1.6
million people and some air bases of temps.
Sandra, who went to Espanola Elementary, and then Espanola Jr. High, and
Espanola High School, along with the kids from San Juan and Santa Clara
Pueblos
Sandra
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