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Johanna
Someone had mentioned a while back someone saying it takes a certain number of hours to learn the basic skills. If anyone knows wher teh info came from I would love to know. I vaguely recall reading it somewhere myself but cannot remember. I think it would help my husband to understand unschooling better. Anyone?
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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Tami Labig-Duquette
Are you refering to by age 12 (unsure if ahe correct) you can teach a child
everything they need to know? I remember seeing that here on one of my
multiple lists :) Not sure, will have to look around.
Tami
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multiple lists :) Not sure, will have to look around.
Tami
>From: "Johanna" <saninocencio1@...>_________________________________________________________________
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>Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:01:01 -0500
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>Someone had mentioned a while back someone saying it takes a certain number
>of hours to learn the basic skills. If anyone knows wher teh info came from
>I would love to know. I vaguely recall reading it somewhere myself but
>cannot remember. I think it would help my husband to understand unschooling
>better. Anyone?
>
>Johanna
>Life is the ultimate learning experience!
>
>
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Kim Baker
Someone had posted that you could teach the
entire 13 years of public school information in
18 months. If you waited until the child was 15
to begin. I am not sure of its original source,
but know I have thrown it around quite a
bitsince reading it! :-)
Kim Dylan 11 Jacob 10 Noah 22 mos
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entire 13 years of public school information in
18 months. If you waited until the child was 15
to begin. I am not sure of its original source,
but know I have thrown it around quite a
bitsince reading it! :-)
Kim Dylan 11 Jacob 10 Noah 22 mos
--- Tami Labig-Duquette
<labigduquette@...> wrote:
> Are you refering to by age 12 (unsure if ahe_________________________________________________________________
> correct) you can teach a child
> everything they need to know? I remember seeing
> that here on one of my
> multiple lists :) Not sure, will have to look
> around.
> Tami
>
>
> >From: "Johanna" <saninocencio1@...>
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] quote
> >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:01:01 -0500
> >
> >Someone had mentioned a while back someone
> saying it takes a certain number
> >of hours to learn the basic skills. If anyone
> knows wher teh info came from
> >I would love to know. I vaguely recall reading
> it somewhere myself but
> >cannot remember. I think it would help my
> husband to understand unschooling
> >better. Anyone?
> >
> >Johanna
> >Life is the ultimate learning experience!
> >
> >
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> >
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azhom2000@... writes:
at the moment, but I'll look for it.
I've read and heard it for years. I think (not sure) it's a John Holt quote,
but I'll keep looking.
Part of the context of it was that once language and understanding are in
place, the information is not that large a body of stuff. Foreigners who
move here learn it all very quickly (American history, and the terminology
relating to science and math.
I had a boyfriend in college who moved to Toronto from India when he was 12
or 13. He was in New Jersey for high school and New Mexico for college. He
was not "behind" in any way, and he wasn't from fancy schools or a rich
background in India, either. His dad was an "academically gifted"
untouchable on government scholarship to get a master's and PhD in physics.
The only English he had known when he moved to Toronto was the lyrics to a
Harry Belafonte album.
The difference was he was aware of the world around him. What was left was
the vocabulary.
To explain leaves turning to a six year old takes a couple of explanations.
They're still not clear on how long a year is, or what causes a year, or how
long a month is. By fourteen, they'll have figured that out on their own or
through conversational inquiry. What takes an hour or two at six takes
thirty seconds at 15.
I hope someone finds that quote before I do!
Sandra
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azhom2000@... writes:
> Someone had posted that you could teach theI'm the one who said it. My interface is balking at connecting me to google
> entire 13 years of public school information in
> 18 months. If you waited until the child was 15
> to begin. I am not sure of its original source,
> but know I have thrown it around quite a
> bitsince reading it! :-)
>
at the moment, but I'll look for it.
I've read and heard it for years. I think (not sure) it's a John Holt quote,
but I'll keep looking.
Part of the context of it was that once language and understanding are in
place, the information is not that large a body of stuff. Foreigners who
move here learn it all very quickly (American history, and the terminology
relating to science and math.
I had a boyfriend in college who moved to Toronto from India when he was 12
or 13. He was in New Jersey for high school and New Mexico for college. He
was not "behind" in any way, and he wasn't from fancy schools or a rich
background in India, either. His dad was an "academically gifted"
untouchable on government scholarship to get a master's and PhD in physics.
The only English he had known when he moved to Toronto was the lyrics to a
Harry Belafonte album.
The difference was he was aware of the world around him. What was left was
the vocabulary.
To explain leaves turning to a six year old takes a couple of explanations.
They're still not clear on how long a year is, or what causes a year, or how
long a month is. By fourteen, they'll have figured that out on their own or
through conversational inquiry. What takes an hour or two at six takes
thirty seconds at 15.
I hope someone finds that quote before I do!
Sandra
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Betsy Hill
>> 18 months. If you waited until the child was 15google
>> to begin. I am not sure of its original source,
>> but know I have thrown it around quite a
>> bitsince reading it! :-)
>>
>
>I'm the one who said it. My interface is balking at connecting me to
>at the moment, but I'll look for it.quote,
>
>I've read and heard it for years. I think (not sure) it's a John Holt
>but I'll keep looking.I also think it is a John Holt quote, just from hearing someone online say
so. Don't know from which book.
Betsy
Devapriya
Barb E,
This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
lacking. Help!
Thanks, Kathy
Barb E
"Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
grace."
- Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
lacking. Help!
Thanks, Kathy
Barb E
"Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
grace."
- Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
Barb Eaton
Kathy,
I don't think anything is missing. Hang on a sec. Let me try google. I
couldn't come up with anything. I probably got it from PowerQoutes. Yes here
it is;
07.031 Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness:
touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of it because in
the last analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is grace.
Barb E
"Shared laughter is like family glue. It is the stuff of
family well-being and all-is-well thoughts. It brings us
together as few other things can."
-- Valerie Bell, author
I don't think anything is missing. Hang on a sec. Let me try google. I
couldn't come up with anything. I probably got it from PowerQoutes. Yes here
it is;
07.031 Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness:
touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of it because in
the last analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is grace.
Barb E
"Shared laughter is like family glue. It is the stuff of
family well-being and all-is-well thoughts. It brings us
together as few other things can."
-- Valerie Bell, author
>
> Barb E,
> This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
> Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
> lacking. Help!
> Thanks, Kathy
>
> Barb E
> "Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
> is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
> excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
> the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
> analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
> grace."
>
> - Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
Danielle Conger
I don't know which part is throwing you off, but grammatically, the part that reads "In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness" is incorrect, I believe. It does not constitute a complete sentence and so should not be followed by a colon.
The question is whether, in terms of meaning, that phrase belongs to the sentence before it, as in "See [life] for the fathomless mystery that it is, in the boredom and pain of [life] no less than in the excitement and gladness of it."
Or, more likely, with the sentence that follows the colon, as in "Touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of [life]--in the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness--because in the last analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is grace."
Of course, it could also be corrected by simply changing the colon to a comma and transforming that first part into an introductory phrase.
Is that what you were looking for? <eg>
--danielle
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Kathy wrote:
This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
lacking. Help!
Thanks, Kathy
Barb E
"Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
grace."
- Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
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The question is whether, in terms of meaning, that phrase belongs to the sentence before it, as in "See [life] for the fathomless mystery that it is, in the boredom and pain of [life] no less than in the excitement and gladness of it."
Or, more likely, with the sentence that follows the colon, as in "Touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of [life]--in the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness--because in the last analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is grace."
Of course, it could also be corrected by simply changing the colon to a comma and transforming that first part into an introductory phrase.
Is that what you were looking for? <eg>
--danielle
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Kathy wrote:
This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
lacking. Help!
Thanks, Kathy
Barb E
"Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
grace."
- Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
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In a message dated 1/18/04 1:53:32 PM Central Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
Buechner is just wordy, and plays around with difficult punctuation quite a
bit. It's his style. He's a poet/philosopher, imo (although he is famous as a
novelist, essayist, and memoirist), and utilizes lots of sentence fragments
and the like for dramatic effect. He's not easy to read, so you're not alone!
For understanding, this quote could easily be translated to say something
like, *Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
Experience the boredom and pain of your life no less than the excitement and
gladness of it. Touch, taste, and smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of
it, because in the last analysis, ALL moments are key moments, and life itself
is grace.*
That may be clearer, but it's not as poetic or graceful as Buechner's
writing.
Just for grins, here is his original wording and phrasing placed in (my
admittedly klunky) poetic form. When I read his prose I often breathe it out as
poetry. It helps.
Listen to your life.
See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
In the boredom and pain of it
no less than in the excitement and gladness:
touch,
taste,
smell
your way to the holy and hidden heart of it
because in the last analysis
all moments are key moments,
and life itself
is grace.
(I hope this post doesn't get wrapped around and mess up my spacing :-)
This was fun. Thanks.
Laura B.
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[email protected] writes:
> >Kathy --
> > Barb E,
> > This is so nice. Is there a word or two missing from the 3rd sentence?
> > Or maybe the punctuation is throwing me off. Or maybe my English is
> > lacking. Help!
> > Thanks, Kathy
> >
> > Barb E
> > "Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it
> > is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the
> > excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to
> > the holy and hidden heart of it because in the last
> > analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is
> > grace."
> >
> > - Frederick Buechner, Author, in "Now and Then"
>
>
Buechner is just wordy, and plays around with difficult punctuation quite a
bit. It's his style. He's a poet/philosopher, imo (although he is famous as a
novelist, essayist, and memoirist), and utilizes lots of sentence fragments
and the like for dramatic effect. He's not easy to read, so you're not alone!
For understanding, this quote could easily be translated to say something
like, *Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
Experience the boredom and pain of your life no less than the excitement and
gladness of it. Touch, taste, and smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of
it, because in the last analysis, ALL moments are key moments, and life itself
is grace.*
That may be clearer, but it's not as poetic or graceful as Buechner's
writing.
Just for grins, here is his original wording and phrasing placed in (my
admittedly klunky) poetic form. When I read his prose I often breathe it out as
poetry. It helps.
Listen to your life.
See it for the fathomless mystery that it is.
In the boredom and pain of it
no less than in the excitement and gladness:
touch,
taste,
smell
your way to the holy and hidden heart of it
because in the last analysis
all moments are key moments,
and life itself
is grace.
(I hope this post doesn't get wrapped around and mess up my spacing :-)
This was fun. Thanks.
Laura B.
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