Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good, was Generalitie...
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In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:27:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I have not
heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively and
found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The source
is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have to
look it up to find it).
lovemary
If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
make a change.
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lurine@... writes:
> againI don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most drugs taken
> including humans, send the substance straight through the milk in quantities
> that might be o.k. for the mother but can be deadly for the off-spring.
>
by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I have not
heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively and
found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The source
is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have to
look it up to find it).
lovemary
If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
make a change.
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dawn
actually, the way it works is that most, in fact the VAST majority of
medications--even the ones tha do show up in milk, are less harmful than
not nursing at all is.
dawn h-s
**********
medications--even the ones tha do show up in milk, are less harmful than
not nursing at all is.
dawn h-s
**********
On Tue, 8 May 2001 lite2yu@... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:27:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> lurine@... writes:
>
>
> > again
> > including humans, send the substance straight through the milk in quantities
> > that might be o.k. for the mother but can be deadly for the off-spring.
> >
>
> I don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most drugs taken
> by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I have not
> heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
> medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively and
> found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The source
> is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have to
> look it up to find it).
>
> lovemary
> If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
> make a change.
>
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Lynda
Read what I wrote. In some cases (SOME cases) this happens in mammals
INCLUDING humans. Not ALL cases, not ALL the time, not ALL antibiotics but
it can and does happen. BTW, penicillin and sulfa drugs are the worst
offenders.
And please reread your own answer in which you yourself state "MOST" drugs.
There is no medical webside, or there shouldn't be, that states absolutes!
Anyone who has ever worked in the medical profession will tell you,
including your own doctor (or he should if he is a good doctor and not a
hack), that there is no such thing as an answer in medicine that says
ALWAYS.
The statement was in reference to generalities and the original statement
"It isn't a "sweeping generality" to say that any other mammal should be
breastfed," which is in fact a sweeping generality.
"Believe" and "fact" are not synonymous. It is a fact that SOME humans and
other mammals bodies act as a sieve and the amount of antibiotic or other
substance that goes into their body goes through and out in the breast milk
in the same concentration it goes in. It doesn't happen often in humans but
it does happen. It happens relatively frequently in some mammals, in
particular some breeds of dogs. In those breeds when a c-section is done,
wise breeders do not let the vets give the bitches antibiotics because there
is a very real posibility that the puppies will die if they injest the
bitch's milk after she is given antibiotics.
Therefore, the statement stands as stated which was qualified by "some,"
"uncommon" and other such words.
Lynda
INCLUDING humans. Not ALL cases, not ALL the time, not ALL antibiotics but
it can and does happen. BTW, penicillin and sulfa drugs are the worst
offenders.
And please reread your own answer in which you yourself state "MOST" drugs.
There is no medical webside, or there shouldn't be, that states absolutes!
Anyone who has ever worked in the medical profession will tell you,
including your own doctor (or he should if he is a good doctor and not a
hack), that there is no such thing as an answer in medicine that says
ALWAYS.
The statement was in reference to generalities and the original statement
"It isn't a "sweeping generality" to say that any other mammal should be
breastfed," which is in fact a sweeping generality.
"Believe" and "fact" are not synonymous. It is a fact that SOME humans and
other mammals bodies act as a sieve and the amount of antibiotic or other
substance that goes into their body goes through and out in the breast milk
in the same concentration it goes in. It doesn't happen often in humans but
it does happen. It happens relatively frequently in some mammals, in
particular some breeds of dogs. In those breeds when a c-section is done,
wise breeders do not let the vets give the bitches antibiotics because there
is a very real posibility that the puppies will die if they injest the
bitch's milk after she is given antibiotics.
Therefore, the statement stands as stated which was qualified by "some,"
"uncommon" and other such words.
Lynda
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From: <lite2yu@...>
>
> I don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most drugs
taken
> by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I have
not
> heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
> medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively
and
> found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The
source
> is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have
to
> look it up to find it).
>
> lovemary
Lynda
Actually, there are now studies being done as to the long term effects on
children exposed to antibiotics etc. from long term nursing and whether that
might be part of the reason society is experiencing so many more resistant
"bugs."
And, again, the subject was generalities which your response is also.
Lynda
children exposed to antibiotics etc. from long term nursing and whether that
might be part of the reason society is experiencing so many more resistant
"bugs."
And, again, the subject was generalities which your response is also.
Lynda
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From: "dawn" <dawn@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good, was
Generalitie...
> actually, the way it works is that most, in fact the VAST majority of
> medications--even the ones tha do show up in milk, are less harmful than
> not nursing at all is.
>
>
> dawn h-s
> **********
>
> On Tue, 8 May 2001 lite2yu@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:27:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > lurine@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > again
> > > including humans, send the substance straight through the milk in
quantities
> > > that might be o.k. for the mother but can be deadly for the
off-spring.
> > >
> >
> > I don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most drugs
taken
> > by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I
have not
> > heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
> > medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively
and
> > found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The
source
> > is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have
to
> > look it up to find it).
> >
> > lovemary
> > If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and
then
> > make a change.
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dawn
yeh, that would be antibiotics in cow milk, cow meat, etc. Not enough
kids nurse long enough to be bothered.
dawn h-s
**********
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on
occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."-- James D. Nicoll
**********
kids nurse long enough to be bothered.
dawn h-s
**********
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on
occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."-- James D. Nicoll
**********
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Lynda wrote:
> Actually, there are now studies being done as to the long term effects on
> children exposed to antibiotics etc. from long term nursing and whether that
> might be part of the reason society is experiencing so many more resistant
> "bugs."
>
> And, again, the subject was generalities which your response is also.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dawn" <dawn@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good, was
> Generalitie...
>
>
> > actually, the way it works is that most, in fact the VAST majority of
> > medications--even the ones tha do show up in milk, are less harmful than
> > not nursing at all is.
> >
> >
> > dawn h-s
> > **********
> >
> > On Tue, 8 May 2001 lite2yu@... wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:27:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > lurine@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > again
> > > > including humans, send the substance straight through the milk in
> quantities
> > > > that might be o.k. for the mother but can be deadly for the
> off-spring.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most drugs
> taken
> > > by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I
> have not
> > > heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take some
> > > medication for dental work a while back and researched this extensively
> and
> > > found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take. The
> source
> > > is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would have
> to
> > > look it up to find it).
> > >
> > > lovemary
> > > If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and
> then
> > > make a change.
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In a message dated 5/8/2001 7:32:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lurine@... writes:
to do. . . only stating my own experience with breastfeeding and taking
drugs. When I knew I would have to take something, I had no idea how
misinformed I was about drugs, in this case antiobiotics and breastfeeding. I
was not willing for any reason to give up breastfeeding and was prepared to
do anything, including not taking antiobiotics for an abcess. I was glad to
find out I didn't have to. Of course there are no absolutes. . . I definitely
believe in the gray area, but I also think there is a lot of misinformation
among health (s)care providers about breastfeeding. That has been my own
experience anyway.
lovemary
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make a change.
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lurine@... writes:
>That is fine Lynda. It appears I have struck a nerve which I was not trying
> Therefore, the statement stands as stated which was qualified by "some,"
> "uncommon" and other such words.
>
> Lynda
>
to do. . . only stating my own experience with breastfeeding and taking
drugs. When I knew I would have to take something, I had no idea how
misinformed I was about drugs, in this case antiobiotics and breastfeeding. I
was not willing for any reason to give up breastfeeding and was prepared to
do anything, including not taking antiobiotics for an abcess. I was glad to
find out I didn't have to. Of course there are no absolutes. . . I definitely
believe in the gray area, but I also think there is a lot of misinformation
among health (s)care providers about breastfeeding. That has been my own
experience anyway.
lovemary
If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself, and then
make a change.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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.> ]
slightly off subject
If a mother who smoked 'dope' breast fed, would the baby be ingesting
the drug too.
Marianne - curious
slightly off subject
If a mother who smoked 'dope' breast fed, would the baby be ingesting
the drug too.
Marianne - curious
Vaughnde Edwards
yes, but then the baby would already have the dope in its system from the pregnancy unless the hospital put it on detox at birth.
Vaughnde Lee
Missoula, Montana
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Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:00 PM
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slightly off subject
If a mother who smoked 'dope' breast fed, would the baby be ingesting
the drug too.
Marianne - curious
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Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:00 PM
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slightly off subject
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The studies that have already been done were on cow's milk and on the
residuals in the flesh of beef, lamb, pork and chicken. The most current
study is on human milk as more and more women are nursing because of
attachment parenting, LLL, natural child birth, midwifery, etc. being
accepted as not just something that "hippies" do, more and more women are
nursing for longer periods of time.
Lynda
residuals in the flesh of beef, lamb, pork and chicken. The most current
study is on human milk as more and more women are nursing because of
attachment parenting, LLL, natural child birth, midwifery, etc. being
accepted as not just something that "hippies" do, more and more women are
nursing for longer periods of time.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "dawn" <dawn@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good, was
Generalitie...
> yeh, that would be antibiotics in cow milk, cow meat, etc. Not enough
> kids nurse long enough to be bothered.
>
>
> dawn h-s
> **********
> "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
> English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
> words; on
> occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
> unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."-- James D. Nicoll
> **********
>
> On Tue, 8 May 2001, Lynda wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are now studies being done as to the long term effects
on
> > children exposed to antibiotics etc. from long term nursing and whether
that
> > might be part of the reason society is experiencing so many more
resistant
> > "bugs."
> >
> > And, again, the subject was generalities which your response is also.
> >
> > Lynda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dawn" <dawn@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good,
was
> > Generalitie...
> >
> >
> > > actually, the way it works is that most, in fact the VAST majority of
> > > medications--even the ones tha do show up in milk, are less harmful
than
> > > not nursing at all is.
> > >
> > >
> > > dawn h-s
> > > **********
> > >
> > > On Tue, 8 May 2001 lite2yu@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:27:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > lurine@... writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > again
> > > > > including humans, send the substance straight through the milk in
> > quantities
> > > > > that might be o.k. for the mother but can be deadly for the
> > off-spring.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe this to be true. It is my understanding that most
drugs
> > taken
> > > > by lactating mothers show up in very small amounts in breast milk. I
> > have not
> > > > heard of one antiobiotic that is not safe to take. I had to take
some
> > > > medication for dental work a while back and researched this
extensively
> > and
> > > > found to my surprise that there was very little I could not take.
The
> > source
> > > > is Dr. Hale if anyone is interested and there is a website (I would
have
> > to
> > > > look it up to find it).
> > > >
> > > > lovemary
> > > > If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself,
and
> > then
> > > > make a change.
> > > >
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Studies show that weed is passed through breast milk. Babies whose mothers
smoke test positive for use in urine tests.
Lynda
smoke test positive for use in urine tests.
Lynda
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> slightly off subject
>
> If a mother who smoked 'dope' breast fed, would the baby be ingesting
> the drug too.
>
> Marianne - curious
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Not necessarily. If the major marijuana metabolite
(11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC) is what is present in the mother's body, it
does not pass through the placental barrier, nor does the fetus break 9-THC
down into 11 nor like the mother's body does. Delta-9-THC does, however,
cross the placenta and enter the fetus.
Unlike cocaine, herion and meth, babies are not born "addicted" (in the
accepted definition of the word) to weed nor do they go through withdrawals.
Most hospitals do not test new borns for THC nor do they have an infant
detox program for weed.
Lynda
(11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC) is what is present in the mother's body, it
does not pass through the placental barrier, nor does the fetus break 9-THC
down into 11 nor like the mother's body does. Delta-9-THC does, however,
cross the placenta and enter the fetus.
Unlike cocaine, herion and meth, babies are not born "addicted" (in the
accepted definition of the word) to weed nor do they go through withdrawals.
Most hospitals do not test new borns for THC nor do they have an infant
detox program for weed.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vaughnde Edwards" <stampinbookworm@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Milk does not always do a body good,
was Generalitie...
> yes, but then the baby would already have the dope in its system from the
pregnancy unless the hospital put it on detox at birth.
>
> Vaughnde Lee
> Missoula, Montana
> http://www.stampinbookworm.eboard.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tonitoni@... <tonitoni@...>
> To: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:00 PM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Milk does not always do a body good,
was Generalitie...
>
>
> .> ]
> slightly off subject
>
> If a mother who smoked 'dope' breast fed, would the baby be ingesting
> the drug too.
>
> Marianne - curious
>
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In a message dated 5/8/01 19:32:54, lurine@... writes:
<< It is a fact that SOME humans and
other mammals bodies act as a sieve and the amount of antibiotic or other
substance that goes into their body goes through and out in the breast milk
in the same concentration it goes in. >>
Do you have references for this? I'd be interested in seeing them. Kimme
<< It is a fact that SOME humans and
other mammals bodies act as a sieve and the amount of antibiotic or other
substance that goes into their body goes through and out in the breast milk
in the same concentration it goes in. >>
Do you have references for this? I'd be interested in seeing them. Kimme
Lynda
I first learned about this when we raised English Bulldogs. Most bulls
can't deliver naturally and are done by c-section. Being a novice, I didn't
pay as much attention as I should have when we bought the bitch and then had
her bred. Our vet was not a bulldog specialist. He gave her antibiotics
after the c-section as a routine thing, not as a necessary thing. He did
not tell me about it. All but one of the puppies died--the one that
couldn't nurse. I had an autoposy done ($250 back in the dark ages) and
they had died of anaphalactic shock induced by penicillin which came through
the milk post surgery.
I don't have all the books on this where I can get to them. However, years
later when I worked as Nursing Services Coordinator, I did coordination of
ECUs for nursing staff (they have to complete so many ECUs to keep their
license current) and one of the videos and talks was on this very thing and
what to watch for in the new baby nursery and the ICN (ours locally had
mothers who wanted to nurse come in and nurse ICN babies if they (both)
could. It is rare but not totally unheard of. I suppose I could find it in
one of the nursing books.
Lynda
can't deliver naturally and are done by c-section. Being a novice, I didn't
pay as much attention as I should have when we bought the bitch and then had
her bred. Our vet was not a bulldog specialist. He gave her antibiotics
after the c-section as a routine thing, not as a necessary thing. He did
not tell me about it. All but one of the puppies died--the one that
couldn't nurse. I had an autoposy done ($250 back in the dark ages) and
they had died of anaphalactic shock induced by penicillin which came through
the milk post surgery.
I don't have all the books on this where I can get to them. However, years
later when I worked as Nursing Services Coordinator, I did coordination of
ECUs for nursing staff (they have to complete so many ECUs to keep their
license current) and one of the videos and talks was on this very thing and
what to watch for in the new baby nursery and the ICN (ours locally had
mothers who wanted to nurse come in and nurse ICN babies if they (both)
could. It is rare but not totally unheard of. I suppose I could find it in
one of the nursing books.
Lynda
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Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Milk does not always do a body good, was
Generalitie...
>
> In a message dated 5/8/01 19:32:54, lurine@... writes:
>
> << It is a fact that SOME humans and
> other mammals bodies act as a sieve and the amount of antibiotic or other
> substance that goes into their body goes through and out in the breast
milk
> in the same concentration it goes in. >>
>
> Do you have references for this? I'd be interested in seeing them. Kimme
>
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