Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Arthritis pain
Rita B.
Is there a natural remedy for arthritis pain? I have it in my dominant
hand, and possibly nerve damage
Hi Amber,
One thing to remember is different types of arthritis responds differently
to different drugs.
What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me
... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my
body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at
a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are
some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax)
and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis
5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to
clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead
of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on
the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your
hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on
too
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hand, and possibly nerve damage
Hi Amber,
One thing to remember is different types of arthritis responds differently
to different drugs.
What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me
... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my
body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at
a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are
some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax)
and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis
5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to
clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead
of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on
the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your
hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on
too
~ Childhood is that state which ends
the moment a puddle is first viewed
as an obstacle instead of an opportunity. ~
- Kathy Williams -
Juli
I found this "tip" submitted to Family Fun Magazine by
a reader from Ohio:
"I have found a wonderful (sic) way to encourage my
two children to help with household chores. Every
week, Megan, age 14, and Cole, 11, earn points for
each job they complete and then use these points for
privileges and activities. For instance, dusting or
vacuuming earns them 10 points, giving the dog a bath
is worth 15 points, and mowing the lawn nets them 70
points.Megan and Cole redeem the points they've earned
for activities such as seeing a movie or having dinner
with a friend(25 points each), going to a school
football game or inviting a friend to sleep over (50
points each).Any points left over at the end of the
week can be turned in for money.This system has really
motivated my kids to pitch in and make our home run
more smoothly."
I see so much truly fucked-up thinking here I hardly
know where to start. Let me ask this person (who
admittedly is not here to defend herself) a few
questions.
1. And what motivates YOU to pitch in and make your
house run smoothly?
2. If your kids live in the house, why do they need to
be bribed to keep it nice if you don't need to be?
3. Do YOU get points? And what do you turn them in
for?
4. Who gives them this money at the end of the week?
And does anyone give YOU money at the end of the week
for YOUR share of the work?
5. How will your kids be motivated to keep their
houses nice as adults?
6. Do you bribe your husband too? 80 points equals the
missionary positions, 100 points for a oral sex?
7. Don't your kids deserve to go to football games or
have friends over without having to earn the
privilege?
8. How many points do they get for flushing the toilet
or breathing or going to the library?
9. You're teaching your kids that keeping your home
nice is a dreadful chore that can only be borne with
the right reward. How about giving them 50 points for
playing basketball and letting them turn that in for
the privilege of vacuuming.
10. Why are the traditionally female jobs only 10
points while the stereotypically male job of mowing
the lawn is 70 points. I'd like to know who does which
chores in your family.
Any more questions? Fling them my way. I want to write
to the editor with this response. They'll probably
edit out the oral sex stuff, but I can change that to
something else.
Juli, whose daughter is vacuuming to rave music
because she wants the house nice for the exchange
student, not because I'll "allow" her to watch
football later.
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a reader from Ohio:
"I have found a wonderful (sic) way to encourage my
two children to help with household chores. Every
week, Megan, age 14, and Cole, 11, earn points for
each job they complete and then use these points for
privileges and activities. For instance, dusting or
vacuuming earns them 10 points, giving the dog a bath
is worth 15 points, and mowing the lawn nets them 70
points.Megan and Cole redeem the points they've earned
for activities such as seeing a movie or having dinner
with a friend(25 points each), going to a school
football game or inviting a friend to sleep over (50
points each).Any points left over at the end of the
week can be turned in for money.This system has really
motivated my kids to pitch in and make our home run
more smoothly."
I see so much truly fucked-up thinking here I hardly
know where to start. Let me ask this person (who
admittedly is not here to defend herself) a few
questions.
1. And what motivates YOU to pitch in and make your
house run smoothly?
2. If your kids live in the house, why do they need to
be bribed to keep it nice if you don't need to be?
3. Do YOU get points? And what do you turn them in
for?
4. Who gives them this money at the end of the week?
And does anyone give YOU money at the end of the week
for YOUR share of the work?
5. How will your kids be motivated to keep their
houses nice as adults?
6. Do you bribe your husband too? 80 points equals the
missionary positions, 100 points for a oral sex?
7. Don't your kids deserve to go to football games or
have friends over without having to earn the
privilege?
8. How many points do they get for flushing the toilet
or breathing or going to the library?
9. You're teaching your kids that keeping your home
nice is a dreadful chore that can only be borne with
the right reward. How about giving them 50 points for
playing basketball and letting them turn that in for
the privilege of vacuuming.
10. Why are the traditionally female jobs only 10
points while the stereotypically male job of mowing
the lawn is 70 points. I'd like to know who does which
chores in your family.
Any more questions? Fling them my way. I want to write
to the editor with this response. They'll probably
edit out the oral sex stuff, but I can change that to
something else.
Juli, whose daughter is vacuuming to rave music
because she wants the house nice for the exchange
student, not because I'll "allow" her to watch
football later.
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Judie C. Rall
> and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories insteadSome good natural anti-inflammatories:
> of treating the pain with heavy meds
Bromelain - take on empty stomach
Ultimate Living has a good complete enzymes product which you
take with your meals to digest your food better. However, when
taken between meals on an empty stomach, they reduce
inflammation and boost the immune system, because the immune
system is powered by enzymes.
Judie
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Juli, I think you raise some good questions. At the same time, I have
to confess that I can understand how the woman came up with a system like
that. I have tried to figure out the best way to deal with chores for years.
I don't think they're less pleasant just because we assign points or
whatever to them and call them a chore whereas we call basketball fun. I
think they truly are less pleasant!
I posted on here one time before about making up chore cards for us and
using them...having each kid pick 6 of them for 3 days out of the week
(though sometimes we end up doing it only 1 or 2 days) and then I go through
the ones I pull out and work through them as well. It sounds regimented and
most unschoolers, including me, tend to dislike regimentation. But for us,
this worked a lot better than trying to just clean as we go, as needed,
because it seemed like only the same main things got done all the time and
other things never got done.
I agree in principle that the kids should care about the housework and
help with it simply because they live there, just like the adults. However,
I have found in practice that they have a really high tolerance for a mess,
much higher than mine, and mine is pretty relaxed. I have also found that
they themselves feel better if we keep it fairly clean, especially if we find
ways that seem fairly painless.
I think my main objection to her method would be that it sounds like a
big hassle. Also, I agree that the things the points are being redeemed for
should be things the kids can do anyway.
What do you think about kids getting money of their own...should it be
a set amount regardless of what they do or should it be based upon some sort
of earning situation? Right now ours is tied to the chore cards but I have
done it the other way as well. We have even done it where we figured out the
total amount of spending money left at the end of the week or month and
divided it up or got together to decide how to use it. Surprisingly, my kids
didn't really like that method even though I liked the principle of it.
One thing we try to do is let each person do the chores he/she likes
more. Jonathan, my 12 year old, loves gardening so he doesn't mind watering
the plants as one of his chores. Even with those we don't love, there will
be one person who hates cleaning the bathroom and another one who doesn't
think it's that bad but hates sweeping (we have a lot of sweeping because our
house is all tile and wood floors and we live in a dusty area). The chore
cards give them the chance to pick out what they want. We take turns picking
and take turns with who gets to have first pick.
Hope you don't think my logic is screwed up as well....just trying to be
honest...
Lucy
to confess that I can understand how the woman came up with a system like
that. I have tried to figure out the best way to deal with chores for years.
I don't think they're less pleasant just because we assign points or
whatever to them and call them a chore whereas we call basketball fun. I
think they truly are less pleasant!
I posted on here one time before about making up chore cards for us and
using them...having each kid pick 6 of them for 3 days out of the week
(though sometimes we end up doing it only 1 or 2 days) and then I go through
the ones I pull out and work through them as well. It sounds regimented and
most unschoolers, including me, tend to dislike regimentation. But for us,
this worked a lot better than trying to just clean as we go, as needed,
because it seemed like only the same main things got done all the time and
other things never got done.
I agree in principle that the kids should care about the housework and
help with it simply because they live there, just like the adults. However,
I have found in practice that they have a really high tolerance for a mess,
much higher than mine, and mine is pretty relaxed. I have also found that
they themselves feel better if we keep it fairly clean, especially if we find
ways that seem fairly painless.
I think my main objection to her method would be that it sounds like a
big hassle. Also, I agree that the things the points are being redeemed for
should be things the kids can do anyway.
What do you think about kids getting money of their own...should it be
a set amount regardless of what they do or should it be based upon some sort
of earning situation? Right now ours is tied to the chore cards but I have
done it the other way as well. We have even done it where we figured out the
total amount of spending money left at the end of the week or month and
divided it up or got together to decide how to use it. Surprisingly, my kids
didn't really like that method even though I liked the principle of it.
One thing we try to do is let each person do the chores he/she likes
more. Jonathan, my 12 year old, loves gardening so he doesn't mind watering
the plants as one of his chores. Even with those we don't love, there will
be one person who hates cleaning the bathroom and another one who doesn't
think it's that bad but hates sweeping (we have a lot of sweeping because our
house is all tile and wood floors and we live in a dusty area). The chore
cards give them the chance to pick out what they want. We take turns picking
and take turns with who gets to have first pick.
Hope you don't think my logic is screwed up as well....just trying to be
honest...
Lucy
[email protected]
I think any chore or anything at all that we do in life can be viewed in a
negative way. Kids learn that chores are not fun from us. . . and so maybe
the solution to getting kids to help out with chores lies within each of us
and changing our own attitude about them. Kids are such great mirrors for us
. . . sometimes we sure don't like what we see, but there it is anyway.
lovemary
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negative way. Kids learn that chores are not fun from us. . . and so maybe
the solution to getting kids to help out with chores lies within each of us
and changing our own attitude about them. Kids are such great mirrors for us
. . . sometimes we sure don't like what we see, but there it is anyway.
lovemary
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Eileen M.
Our son gets a set allowance every week, but if he
doesn't do one of his chores and somebody else has to
do it, he has to pay them for the work they did on his
behalf out of his savings (he's very profligate with
*our* money, but very thrifty with his own, and hates
having to spend it on that sort of thing). More of a
'real life' deal... he'd have to pay a cleaning
service to clean, so it's reasonable for him to pay a
person acting as a cleaning service. This is
important to us because we tend towards the
disorganized ourselves, so it can get chaotic in here
pretty quickly, and our son clearly inherited a
tolerence for mess in spades... once when I asked him
why he was so resistant to picking up the toys on his
bedroom floor, he said 'because then it wouldn't feel
like home!' <blush>
Eileen
Lucy wrote:
What do you think about kids getting money of
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doesn't do one of his chores and somebody else has to
do it, he has to pay them for the work they did on his
behalf out of his savings (he's very profligate with
*our* money, but very thrifty with his own, and hates
having to spend it on that sort of thing). More of a
'real life' deal... he'd have to pay a cleaning
service to clean, so it's reasonable for him to pay a
person acting as a cleaning service. This is
important to us because we tend towards the
disorganized ourselves, so it can get chaotic in here
pretty quickly, and our son clearly inherited a
tolerence for mess in spades... once when I asked him
why he was so resistant to picking up the toys on his
bedroom floor, he said 'because then it wouldn't feel
like home!' <blush>
Eileen
Lucy wrote:
What do you think about kids getting money of
> their own...should it be__________________________________________________
> a set amount regardless of what they do or should it
> be based upon some sort
> of earning situation? Right now ours is tied to the
> chore cards but I have
> done it the other way as well.
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Around our house there are no "chores", we all work together. Allowance
is something they get because they are a member of the family and never
contingent on anything.
When we clean together I try to communicate the message that "When the
house is orderly it's easier to do other things." The 3 yo doesn't
understand it all yet but my 10 yo does. If the house is organized we
can do crafts, sew, read, watch a movie together, cook. We don't have to
like it but it's okay, we do it so we can go on to other things. It's
not always reasonable to think they'll "enjoy" cleaning, I don't pretend
to enjoy it but I don't complain either. I just try to model a matter of
fact attitude and working together makes it more palatable.
Kris
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is something they get because they are a member of the family and never
contingent on anything.
When we clean together I try to communicate the message that "When the
house is orderly it's easier to do other things." The 3 yo doesn't
understand it all yet but my 10 yo does. If the house is organized we
can do crafts, sew, read, watch a movie together, cook. We don't have to
like it but it's okay, we do it so we can go on to other things. It's
not always reasonable to think they'll "enjoy" cleaning, I don't pretend
to enjoy it but I don't complain either. I just try to model a matter of
fact attitude and working together makes it more palatable.
Kris
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Nancy from MI
Here, here, Kris! This is *exactly* how we do it at our house, too. We
put on some music and race around and get things done as quickly as
possible. When we're done we always seem to say, "wow, that didn't
take us very long with all of us working together!"
~Nancy
put on some music and race around and get things done as quickly as
possible. When we're done we always seem to say, "wow, that didn't
take us very long with all of us working together!"
~Nancy
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., louisam1@j... wrote:
> Around our house there are no "chores", we all work together.
Allowance
> is something they get because they are a member of the family and
never
> contingent on anything.
>
> When we clean together I try to communicate the message that "When
the
> house is orderly it's easier to do other things." The 3 yo doesn't
> understand it all yet but my 10 yo does. If the house is organized
we
> can do crafts, sew, read, watch a movie together, cook. We don't
have to
> like it but it's okay, we do it so we can go on to other things.
It's
> not always reasonable to think they'll "enjoy" cleaning, I don't
pretend
> to enjoy it but I don't complain either. I just try to model a
matter of
> fact attitude and working together makes it more palatable.
>
> Kris
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Tami Labig-Duquette
We use "This is your responsibility", "Please help me out?" and/or some
others along those lines. They get allowance for extra things they do, but I
rarely MAKE them do things they dont want to, however they do learn that
consequences arise from not doing thier own responsibilties(bring your
laundry down or it cant be washed so no clean clothes) this type of thing.
Tami
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others along those lines. They get allowance for extra things they do, but I
rarely MAKE them do things they dont want to, however they do learn that
consequences arise from not doing thier own responsibilties(bring your
laundry down or it cant be washed so no clean clothes) this type of thing.
Tami
>From: LASaliger@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Twisted logic???
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:22:24 EDT
>
> Juli, I think you raise some good questions. At the same time, I
>have
>to confess that I can understand how the woman came up with a system like
>that. I have tried to figure out the best way to deal with chores for
>years.
> I don't think they're less pleasant just because we assign points or
>whatever to them and call them a chore whereas we call basketball fun. I
>think they truly are less pleasant!
> I posted on here one time before about making up chore cards for us
>and
>using them...having each kid pick 6 of them for 3 days out of the week
>(though sometimes we end up doing it only 1 or 2 days) and then I go
>through
>the ones I pull out and work through them as well. It sounds regimented
>and
>most unschoolers, including me, tend to dislike regimentation. But for us,
>this worked a lot better than trying to just clean as we go, as needed,
>because it seemed like only the same main things got done all the time and
>other things never got done.
> I agree in principle that the kids should care about the housework
>and
>help with it simply because they live there, just like the adults.
>However,
>I have found in practice that they have a really high tolerance for a mess,
>much higher than mine, and mine is pretty relaxed. I have also found that
>they themselves feel better if we keep it fairly clean, especially if we
>find
>ways that seem fairly painless.
> I think my main objection to her method would be that it sounds like
>a
>big hassle. Also, I agree that the things the points are being redeemed
>for
>should be things the kids can do anyway.
> What do you think about kids getting money of their own...should it
>be
>a set amount regardless of what they do or should it be based upon some
>sort
>of earning situation? Right now ours is tied to the chore cards but I have
>done it the other way as well. We have even done it where we figured out
>the
>total amount of spending money left at the end of the week or month and
>divided it up or got together to decide how to use it. Surprisingly, my
>kids
>didn't really like that method even though I liked the principle of it.
> One thing we try to do is let each person do the chores he/she likes
>more. Jonathan, my 12 year old, loves gardening so he doesn't mind
>watering
>the plants as one of his chores. Even with those we don't love, there will
>be one person who hates cleaning the bathroom and another one who doesn't
>think it's that bad but hates sweeping (we have a lot of sweeping because
>our
>house is all tile and wood floors and we live in a dusty area). The chore
>cards give them the chance to pick out what they want. We take turns
>picking
>and take turns with who gets to have first pick.
> Hope you don't think my logic is screwed up as well....just trying to
>be
>honest...
>
> Lucy
>
>
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This is what we do also. Allowance is not contingent upon anything, it is a
way to learn to save, add, subtract, spend, interact with the people at the
store, count change. When the house is needing to be picked up, we all chip
in together and it is done in no time. Adding music might make it more
pleasant.
Angela in Maine. Unschooling Mom to two beautiful daughters. "Play is our
brain's favorite way to learn." Unknown
www.geocities.com/autonomousangela
-----
Around our house there are no "chores", we all work together. Allowance
is something they get because they are a member of the family and never
contingent on anything.
When we clean together I try to communicate the message that "When the
house is orderly it's easier to do other things." The 3 yo doesn't
understand it all yet but my 10 yo does. If the house is organized we
can do crafts, sew, read, watch a movie together, cook. We don't have to
like it but it's okay, we do it so we can go on to other things. It's
not always reasonable to think they'll "enjoy" cleaning, I don't pretend
to enjoy it but I don't complain either. I just try to model a matter of
fact attitude and working together makes it more palatable.
Kris
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way to learn to save, add, subtract, spend, interact with the people at the
store, count change. When the house is needing to be picked up, we all chip
in together and it is done in no time. Adding music might make it more
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Around our house there are no "chores", we all work together. Allowance
is something they get because they are a member of the family and never
contingent on anything.
When we clean together I try to communicate the message that "When the
house is orderly it's easier to do other things." The 3 yo doesn't
understand it all yet but my 10 yo does. If the house is organized we
can do crafts, sew, read, watch a movie together, cook. We don't have to
like it but it's okay, we do it so we can go on to other things. It's
not always reasonable to think they'll "enjoy" cleaning, I don't pretend
to enjoy it but I don't complain either. I just try to model a matter of
fact attitude and working together makes it more palatable.
Kris
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Nanci Kuykendall
Juli,
I just had to say, you crack me up girl! And bravo to
you for being so damned honest and not pulling your
punches for the sake of convention. It's refreshing
to hear a grownup actually CUSS! (gasp) on a mailing
list. Most people (including me) are usually afraid
to offend. As to your questions for the editor, YOU
GO GIRL!
Nanci K.
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I just had to say, you crack me up girl! And bravo to
you for being so damned honest and not pulling your
punches for the sake of convention. It's refreshing
to hear a grownup actually CUSS! (gasp) on a mailing
list. Most people (including me) are usually afraid
to offend. As to your questions for the editor, YOU
GO GIRL!
Nanci K.
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Nanci Kuykendall
>Around our house there are no "chores", we all workWell said Kris! This is just what I think. I don't
>together. Allowance is something they get because
>they are a member of the family and never contingent
>on anything.
>Kris
pay the kids to carry their share of the work. I
loved your whole post, but this part especially.
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In our house we all pitch in and help because we live here.
Sometimes we play music or talk. It all depends on what is going on. We
all share in most of the tasks with a few exceptions, based on physical
limits or preferences. There are no divisions along male/female lines.
Norma
Sometimes we play music or talk. It all depends on what is going on. We
all share in most of the tasks with a few exceptions, based on physical
limits or preferences. There are no divisions along male/female lines.
Norma
Johanna
Amen I think we live in a society that spends way too much time trying to manipulate one another to what we want done. This is too much in the vein of school acheivement reward programs. Do it for the reward, not for personal responsibility. This is "our" house, and if we don't take care of it, we suffer the consequece. Sometimes it is broken toys, etc. but nothing far removed from the issue, like basketball or friendship.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
Johanna
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From: Nanci Kuykendall
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:39 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Twisted logic???
Juli,
I just had to say, you crack me up girl! And bravo to
you for being so damned honest and not pulling your
punches for the sake of convention. It's refreshing
to hear a grownup actually CUSS! (gasp) on a mailing
list. Most people (including me) are usually afraid
to offend. As to your questions for the editor, YOU
GO GIRL!
Nanci K.
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??? He just said that the xrays show arthritis forming. He is an orthopaedic surgeon and is requesting a 2nd opinion and a nerve test because he can find no reason for the rest of the pain in my hand. It is very intense in the area he "sees" the arthritis (I don't know what I'm looking at) but the pain extends half way up my forearm and to my knuckles. He says this is not characteristic of arthritis. All this started when an airbag exploded while I was holding the steering wheel. THANKS FOR ALL THE SUGGESTIONS. ambersand
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What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me ... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax) and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis 5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on too
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What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me ... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax) and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis 5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on too
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the moment a puddle is first viewed
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doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work.
allowance. The two things aren't connected, but then
they do their chores without TOO much reminding, so...
And my son has a paper route, so he works hard to earn
his money that way. But I don't have any ideas about
how others should do this. I just know what works for
us.
about that woman's idea, not so much because of her
idea as that Family Fun printed it like it was a great
tip.
Juli
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> I posted on here one time before about makingWell, I don't think this is the same as what she was
> up chore cards for us and
> using them...having each kid pick 6 of them for 3
> days out of the week
> (though sometimes we end up doing it only 1 or 2
> days) and then I go through
> the ones I pull out and work through them as well.
doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work.
> What do you think about kids getting money ofI don't know. My kids have chores and they get a small
> their own...should it be
> a set amount regardless of what they do or should it
> be based upon some sort
> of earning situation?
allowance. The two things aren't connected, but then
they do their chores without TOO much reminding, so...
And my son has a paper route, so he works hard to earn
his money that way. But I don't have any ideas about
how others should do this. I just know what works for
us.
> Hope you don't think my logic is screwed up asNot at all! I just happened to get really riled up
> well....just trying to be
> honest...
about that woman's idea, not so much because of her
idea as that Family Fun printed it like it was a great
tip.
Juli
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no hope for the world. Juli
In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@y...> wrote:
no hope for the world. Juli
In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., Nanci Kuykendall <aisliin@y...> wrote:
> Juli,
> I just had to say, you crack me up girl! And bravo to
> you for being so damned honest and not pulling your
> punches for the sake of convention. It's refreshing
> to hear a grownup actually CUSS! (gasp) on a mailing
> list. Most people (including me) are usually afraid
> to offend. As to your questions for the editor, YOU
> GO GIRL!
>
> Nanci K.
>
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In a message dated 4/27/01 11:39:43 PM, ambersand@... writes:
<< All this started when an airbag exploded while I was holding the steering
wheel. >>
I'd propose to him that just because he sees something arthritis-like doesn't
mean you don't have nerve damage from getting hit in the hand by an airbag.
You could have both.
In labor I crushed a nerve which I can't spell (cyatic? Psyatic? Down the
outside of my leg, to the top of my foot, someone spell, please; thanks). I
couldn't lift my foor for weeks, but it got well. The remaining damage might
not be from that. The fourth toe on that leg is number than the rest. But I
also broke that leg badly the year before I had Kirby, and so the nerve
damage could be from that.
Hands are full of nerves. If one was tweaked, it will probably calm down and
recover.
Sandra
<< All this started when an airbag exploded while I was holding the steering
wheel. >>
I'd propose to him that just because he sees something arthritis-like doesn't
mean you don't have nerve damage from getting hit in the hand by an airbag.
You could have both.
In labor I crushed a nerve which I can't spell (cyatic? Psyatic? Down the
outside of my leg, to the top of my foot, someone spell, please; thanks). I
couldn't lift my foor for weeks, but it got well. The remaining damage might
not be from that. The fourth toe on that leg is number than the rest. But I
also broke that leg badly the year before I had Kirby, and so the nerve
damage could be from that.
Hands are full of nerves. If one was tweaked, it will probably calm down and
recover.
Sandra
Vaughnde Edwards
sounds like it might be torn cartilage or muscles that isn't showing up real well on the xrays.
Vaughnde Lee
Missoula, Montana
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-----Original Message-----
From: ambersand <ambersand@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Arthritis pain
??? He just said that the xrays show arthritis forming. He is an orthopaedic surgeon and is requesting a 2nd opinion and a nerve test because he can find no reason for the rest of the pain in my hand. It is very intense in the area he "sees" the arthritis (I don't know what I'm looking at) but the pain extends half way up my forearm and to my knuckles. He says this is not characteristic of arthritis. All this started when an airbag exploded while I was holding the steering wheel. THANKS FOR ALL THE SUGGESTIONS. ambersand
--------------------------------------------------------------
What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me ... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax) and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis 5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on too
~ Childhood is that state which ends
the moment a puddle is first viewed
as an obstacle instead of an opportunity. ~
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-----Original Message-----
From: ambersand <ambersand@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Arthritis pain
??? He just said that the xrays show arthritis forming. He is an orthopaedic surgeon and is requesting a 2nd opinion and a nerve test because he can find no reason for the rest of the pain in my hand. It is very intense in the area he "sees" the arthritis (I don't know what I'm looking at) but the pain extends half way up my forearm and to my knuckles. He says this is not characteristic of arthritis. All this started when an airbag exploded while I was holding the steering wheel. THANKS FOR ALL THE SUGGESTIONS. ambersand
--------------------------------------------------------------
What type have they diagnosed you with?
Why a doc gave you pain meds for arthritis and nothing else is beyond me ... this was not
a rheumotologist I would hope - just a reg. MD, correct?
I have had arthritis since I was 13 y/o and have it in every joint of my body. However, I rarely
deal with pain anymore and when I do it is isolated to one or two joints at a time (Thank God)
What works from me is dependent on how bad it is at the time but here are some alternatives to try:
1) hot wax machine ($50 at the store) you dip your hand in perofin (Wax) and it does wonders:)
2) aleve - over the counter
3) take a lot of calcium, vit b and d
4) shark cartilidge is suppose to help with many forms of arthritis 5) I am not sure of spelling but panathentic acid .... take it regular to clean out system and boost immune
and ask doc about things like naproxen or other antiinflammatories instead of treating the pain with heavy meds
that wreck yer system tell him to fix the root cause with something easy on the system - inflammation causes
the pain (and the wreckage of joints)
I STRONGLY suggest one of those wax machines when arthritis is in your hands it feels like you have new hands when
you take them out - it is wonderful and sooooo soothing when the wax is on too
~ Childhood is that state which ends
the moment a puddle is first viewed
as an obstacle instead of an opportunity. ~
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In labor I crushed a nerve which I can't spell
(cyatic? Psyatic? Down the
outside of my leg, to the top of my foot, someone
spell, please; thanks).
Sandra
Sciatic, i think :-)
Tracy
(cyatic? Psyatic? Down the
outside of my leg, to the top of my foot, someone
spell, please; thanks).
Sandra
Sciatic, i think :-)
Tracy
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In a message dated 4/27/01 1:08:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ravensegg@... writes:
<< Our son gets a set allowance every week, but if he
doesn't do one of his chores and somebody else has to
do it, he has to pay them for the work they did on his
behalf out of his savings ( >>
This is an interesting take on the whole thing. I have read through
everyone's posts on this and it does help me think about different ways of
doing things. This whole issue is one that I'm not firmly set on as far as
our own methods.
I have at times gone with the method where I just tell everyone it's
time to clean for a while but my three older kids didn't like that because
they wanted the freedom to do the work when they wanted to. I found that
everything felt more free and relaxed when I just let them figure out when
they would do the work within the day or even which three days of the week
they wanted to do the main chores on. They do help out a lot in smaller ways
that aren't accounted for in any way, like getting food or drink for a
younger brother sometimes.
Part of this may be different in families with a lot of kids. I have
found that one of my kids will work really hard and fast to finish a chore
and the other two will go pretty slowly or even stop a lot of times so it
doesn't seem fair to have everyone race through housework for an hour but
have the main work fall on him and me. And I don't want to have to keep
policing them so it seems easier for them to just pick out chores and get
them done on their own time. If they choose not to do them and someone else
has to, it seems like there should be some kind of natural consequence but
not one that is overly harsh. That's why I ended up tying it to weekly pay.
If they want to have more time, they can skip the work and just not get as
much money (which they sometimes choose to do).
To me, this kind of thing does seem to relate to real life as an adult.
If we want more time than money, we choose to work less. If we want people
to do our share of domestic work, we have to pay them, as Eileen says. I
think I will do it this way from now on, too...paying them the set amount at
the beginning of the week and then having them pay whoever does their share
of the work if they decide not to. But they usually don't have a big issue
with doing their share.
Lucy
ravensegg@... writes:
<< Our son gets a set allowance every week, but if he
doesn't do one of his chores and somebody else has to
do it, he has to pay them for the work they did on his
behalf out of his savings ( >>
This is an interesting take on the whole thing. I have read through
everyone's posts on this and it does help me think about different ways of
doing things. This whole issue is one that I'm not firmly set on as far as
our own methods.
I have at times gone with the method where I just tell everyone it's
time to clean for a while but my three older kids didn't like that because
they wanted the freedom to do the work when they wanted to. I found that
everything felt more free and relaxed when I just let them figure out when
they would do the work within the day or even which three days of the week
they wanted to do the main chores on. They do help out a lot in smaller ways
that aren't accounted for in any way, like getting food or drink for a
younger brother sometimes.
Part of this may be different in families with a lot of kids. I have
found that one of my kids will work really hard and fast to finish a chore
and the other two will go pretty slowly or even stop a lot of times so it
doesn't seem fair to have everyone race through housework for an hour but
have the main work fall on him and me. And I don't want to have to keep
policing them so it seems easier for them to just pick out chores and get
them done on their own time. If they choose not to do them and someone else
has to, it seems like there should be some kind of natural consequence but
not one that is overly harsh. That's why I ended up tying it to weekly pay.
If they want to have more time, they can skip the work and just not get as
much money (which they sometimes choose to do).
To me, this kind of thing does seem to relate to real life as an adult.
If we want more time than money, we choose to work less. If we want people
to do our share of domestic work, we have to pay them, as Eileen says. I
think I will do it this way from now on, too...paying them the set amount at
the beginning of the week and then having them pay whoever does their share
of the work if they decide not to. But they usually don't have a big issue
with doing their share.
Lucy
[email protected]
In a message dated 4/27/01 8:16:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
scrunchy@... writes:
<< There are no divisions along male/female lines.
Norma >>
scrunchy@... writes:
<< There are no divisions along male/female lines.
Norma >>
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In a message dated 4/27/01 10:45:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
yuliwomie@... writes:
<< Well, I don't think this is the same as what she was
doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work. >>
yuliwomie@... writes:
<< Well, I don't think this is the same as what she was
doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work. >>
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In a message dated 4/27/01 10:45:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
yuliwomie@... writes:
<< Well, I don't think this is the same as what she was
doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work. >>
Thanks, Juli! I'm glad you brought up this whole topic because it is
helping me think out a lot of these issues and I like things that make me
think. I like having this discussion with unschoolers because I feel like
the ideas I hear are more likely to be in tune with my own values...not
degrading kids, not punishing them, not being as materialistic as our general
society, giving all the people in the family as much freedom as possible to
do things they love doing, etc...
Lucy
yuliwomie@... writes:
<< Well, I don't think this is the same as what she was
doing. She was bribing them. You're just creatively
dividing the work. >>
Thanks, Juli! I'm glad you brought up this whole topic because it is
helping me think out a lot of these issues and I like things that make me
think. I like having this discussion with unschoolers because I feel like
the ideas I hear are more likely to be in tune with my own values...not
degrading kids, not punishing them, not being as materialistic as our general
society, giving all the people in the family as much freedom as possible to
do things they love doing, etc...
Lucy