phonics
David Albert
Lisa Bugg wrote:
phonics as an insult! She wanted to know what the words said (meant) so
she could make use of them to understand her world. Imagine going to a
foreign country, seeing a movie poster and asking a friend what it
"said", only have to have your "friend" do the "sa, pah, foo" thing to
you!
It works for some kids, not others. It works for some kids at a certain
age, but not for the same kids at another age. Why do we have to assume
there is a "right" way? I have never seen a healthy, non-traumatized
kid in a content-rich environment NOT learn to read, whether at 3,5,7,9,
or 11 -- what schools end up teaching is how NOT to learn to do so.
David Albert
> From: "Lisa Bugg" <LisaBugg@...>My younger one, now age 9 and reading just fine, saw the teaching of
>
> > New to this list - interesting topics Cody (7 1/2 yo) doesn't read
> yet
> and
> > is not at all interested in learning. Phonics don't get it for him
> - just
> > confuse him more.
>
> Hi Becky,
> Welcome to the list. It's nice to know that phonics confuses
> someone
> else. My mil thinks I must be wrong when I say that phonics makes no
> sense
> to my now 9 year old. :) I also have a 7. 5 year old who has no
> interest in
> reading either. Now, taking things apart, that he can do for hours
> and
> hours, not to mention playing video games.
phonics as an insult! She wanted to know what the words said (meant) so
she could make use of them to understand her world. Imagine going to a
foreign country, seeing a movie poster and asking a friend what it
"said", only have to have your "friend" do the "sa, pah, foo" thing to
you!
It works for some kids, not others. It works for some kids at a certain
age, but not for the same kids at another age. Why do we have to assume
there is a "right" way? I have never seen a healthy, non-traumatized
kid in a content-rich environment NOT learn to read, whether at 3,5,7,9,
or 11 -- what schools end up teaching is how NOT to learn to do so.
David Albert
Lisa Bugg
. Imagine going to a
to another. (some people do this to me on purpose!) As I think about it,
I'm a lot like my 9 year old. I want the whole picture at once, don't give
me details. I'll take the whole picture and break it down to pieces when I
have a good grasp of things.
Ya'll will like this... One day, when Matt was about 6, he was walking
through the kitchen. He stopped to look at the poster on the fridge. I
asked, " Matt, do you know the sound the letter B makes?"
He said, "yes."
And kept walking.........
;)
lisaKK
> foreign country, seeing a movie poster and asking a friend what itThis would upset me greatly. I hate to ask one question and get the answer
> "said", only have to have your "friend" do the "sa, pah, foo" thing to
> you!
to another. (some people do this to me on purpose!) As I think about it,
I'm a lot like my 9 year old. I want the whole picture at once, don't give
me details. I'll take the whole picture and break it down to pieces when I
have a good grasp of things.
Ya'll will like this... One day, when Matt was about 6, he was walking
through the kitchen. He stopped to look at the poster on the fridge. I
asked, " Matt, do you know the sound the letter B makes?"
He said, "yes."
And kept walking.........
;)
lisaKK
Mary E Gates
> It's nice to know that phonics confuses someone else. My mil thinks Imust be wrong >when I say that phonics makes no sense to my now 9 year
old. :)
>Phonics make no sense to me, and I've been an avid reader ever since I
can remember. I'm sure it's the main reason I got great grades all
through p.s. -- I could quickly and easily read and write tests and
papers. (I don't remember any of it though!) Anyway, I was on my way to
our hs parkday and saw "anger" and "danger" on a sign and wondered, what
on earth are the phonics rules that a beginning reader would use to
figure out how to pronounce those two words (say them out loud if you
don't understand what I'm asking). When I brought it up at the park, a
mom (who used to teach in p.s.) explained that anger comes from the
German language and danger from French. Well, I imagine that would
simplify things for the average 5-7 year old!
My dd took off with reading this year. She was 5 in Sep 98 when we
officially began hs. I introduced some basic phonics, not in any
organized manner, and backed off the minute she seemed to lose interest.
I tried to get her to read some 3 letter words, but it was obvious she
was only guessing and didn't really get it. Over the course of the year
I learned more about unschooling and gained some confidence that it
really is OK to let young children PLAY. So we spent very little time
doing what most people consider school (like maybe an average of 30
minutes a WEEK). In April and May it clicked for her and she now amazes
me with how well she can read. I don't take any credit for her "early"
reading, she's just a verbal kid. Except that I read aloud to them a
lot. And dh reads aloud to them, and now they read aloud to us too (4
year old has memorized some of her picture books).
It's ironic that some schooling friends are impressed by this -- bc she
reads we're "successful" homeschoolers. I know that this child has
always been verbal, at age two she could speak incredibly well. But was
also the LAST one in our 'hood to ride without training wheels. Soooo,
just to keep me humble, my 4 year old dd can't pronounce several
consonant sounds (even I can't understand her sometimes) & doesn't want
to stop wearing diapers. I'm sure she'd be in speech therapy in ps, but
I believe she'll outgrow it. (Her hearing is fine) I meanwhile, am
striving to let go and let them be who and what they will. It's so hard
to let go of all those school lessons after 16 years of it myself!
Mary Ellen
Learning how to be a Mom and a Real Person in Eastern Washington
Joseph A. & Susan D. Fuerst
Lisa,
There's a lot of information out there about "whole -to - part" learners.
And most schools teach in a "part-to-whole" schema.....I've heard that whole
to part learners are more rare in adults, wonder if it gets drilled out
during school years?!
Susan
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Bugg <LisaBugg@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] phonics
There's a lot of information out there about "whole -to - part" learners.
And most schools teach in a "part-to-whole" schema.....I've heard that whole
to part learners are more rare in adults, wonder if it gets drilled out
during school years?!
Susan
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa Bugg <LisaBugg@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] phonics
>From: "Lisa Bugg" <LisaBugg@...>
>
>
>. Imagine going to a
>> foreign country, seeing a movie poster and asking a friend what it
>> "said", only have to have your "friend" do the "sa, pah, foo" thing to
>> you!
>
>This would upset me greatly. I hate to ask one question and get the answer
>to another. (some people do this to me on purpose!) As I think about it,
>I'm a lot like my 9 year old. I want the whole picture at once, don't give
>me details. I'll take the whole picture and break it down to pieces when I
>have a good grasp of things.
>
>Ya'll will like this... One day, when Matt was about 6, he was walking
>through the kitchen. He stopped to look at the poster on the fridge. I
>asked, " Matt, do you know the sound the letter B makes?"
>
>He said, "yes."
>
>And kept walking.........
>
>;)
>lisaKK
>
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In a message dated 8/12/99 10:03:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
LisaBugg@... writes:
<< I want the whole picture at once, don't give
me details. I'll take the whole picture and break it down to pieces when I
have a good grasp of things.>>>>>>
Yes this is how I am too. I learned phonics in first grade, but can't
remember
specifics. Could someone please give me a brief description and some
examples? My dd is interested in learning to read (she asks me to write
words for her in her "journal books", but doesnt' really recognize the
alphabet,
or understand that letters have sounds. All very confusing to her and I don't
want to confuse her more and get her frustrated and not want to learn to
read at all. She just turned six, a very mature six, and very unschooled.
<<<Ya'll will like this... One day, when Matt was about 6, he was walking
through the kitchen. He stopped to look at the poster on the fridge. I
asked, " Matt, do you know the sound the letter B makes?"
He said, "yes."
And kept walking......... >>
This is a great story. You must save it for your/his journal!
Kathy
LisaBugg@... writes:
<< I want the whole picture at once, don't give
me details. I'll take the whole picture and break it down to pieces when I
have a good grasp of things.>>>>>>
Yes this is how I am too. I learned phonics in first grade, but can't
remember
specifics. Could someone please give me a brief description and some
examples? My dd is interested in learning to read (she asks me to write
words for her in her "journal books", but doesnt' really recognize the
alphabet,
or understand that letters have sounds. All very confusing to her and I don't
want to confuse her more and get her frustrated and not want to learn to
read at all. She just turned six, a very mature six, and very unschooled.
<<<Ya'll will like this... One day, when Matt was about 6, he was walking
through the kitchen. He stopped to look at the poster on the fridge. I
asked, " Matt, do you know the sound the letter B makes?"
He said, "yes."
And kept walking......... >>
This is a great story. You must save it for your/his journal!
Kathy
rtsc*EHR*
Pam wrote: "HOW did you pronounce the "a" in "ma" versus "mag?" Why did you change it?
How did you pronounce the "i" in "magi" versus "magic?" Why did you change it?
You do NOT read letters within a word from left to right - you HAD to
know what was on the right of the "i" in "magic" in order to know how
to pronounce the "i" correctly. You have to look at all the letters at
once in order to read. "
Wow, that doesn't say much for sounding things out does it? No wonder it is so hard! I hear myself say this to my son all the time: "okay, sound it out...well, in this case, this letter makes a different sound..." Mighty confusing! Glad you shared that Pam ~
Teri (WA State....new to group....hs 14 ds 2 yrs)
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How did you pronounce the "i" in "magi" versus "magic?" Why did you change it?
You do NOT read letters within a word from left to right - you HAD to
know what was on the right of the "i" in "magic" in order to know how
to pronounce the "i" correctly. You have to look at all the letters at
once in order to read. "
Wow, that doesn't say much for sounding things out does it? No wonder it is so hard! I hear myself say this to my son all the time: "okay, sound it out...well, in this case, this letter makes a different sound..." Mighty confusing! Glad you shared that Pam ~
Teri (WA State....new to group....hs 14 ds 2 yrs)
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