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This is a bad week to be sending attachments to this list!

If you want to cut and paste the info on TV Turn Off Week into e-mail, that
would be cool, but empty e-mail with an attachment is oogie.

So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book Ban
Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and other
arbitrary shut-downs.

Sandra the opinionated

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Sorry, I didn't send it as an attachment, but for some reason it came
through that way. I apologize!

Besides, I am just sending information about something that was useful to
my family. You are welcome to ignore it!

Mary Ellen
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by gaining real recognition for their work,
is the great unfinished business of the women's movement.

Helen Hegener

At 12:44 PM -0400 4/23/01, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book Ban
>Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and other
>arbitrary shut-downs.

Hear, hear. Maybe we should have a "Computer Turn Off Week." <g>

Helen

LisaBugg

""Silence, don't talk, Week"

I have a friend who has a family-wide week of silence every year around the
winter solstice. They *hibernate* as much as possible, speaking to each
other and others only when absolutely necessary. I've never been able to
convince my family to try it

It sure does sound like a good idea though.

Lisa

Juli

LOL, Sandra! When my kids were still in school, they
always had to sign these pledge forms during this week
not to watch TV. And that was pretty funny considering
we don't have cable and our area gets NO channels
without cable.The kids would feel like they weren't
really participating since they weren't giving up
anything.So they would give up videos.

It all reminded me of Lent, this giving up of
something.And the idea was if kids didn't watch TV
that week,they would read. That annoyed me (as an
English teacher, at the time)because it implied that
reading was a chore while TV was enjoyable.

And THAT reminded me of the woodshop teacher who used
to make the students WRITE for a punishment.I went to
him and asked if he would like it if I had the
students saw and pound nails for punishment.He just
acted like I was a freak for thinking pounding nails
wasn't fun. I told him he was implying to the kids
that writing wasn't fun. He was compeletely baffled
and clueless about my objections. SIGH! Juli

--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
> So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to
> be balanced by "Book Ban
> Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No
> Question Asking Week" and other
> arbitrary shut-downs.
>
> Sandra the opinionated
>
>


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Now here is a laugh for you all who remember me coming here many
times, regarding my dd and TV.
We had *sky digital* - giving us 24 channels. I suppose it is
similar to cable in America, not sure. Anyway we got rid of it,
leaving us only 5 channels. dh was talking about putting it back on
again. *dd* quickly said "No Dad, otherwise I will watch it all the
time and i HATE watching TV" !!!!!

*What*!!!!

Marianne

Tami Labig-Duquette

LOL You mean they actually turn on?
Tami who is without satillite(sp), and not missing it much anymore :)
(only when I miss profiler or forensic files)

>From: SandraDodd@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:44:32 EDT
>
>This is a bad week to be sending attachments to this list!
>
>If you want to cut and paste the info on TV Turn Off Week into e-mail, that
>would be cool, but empty e-mail with an attachment is oogie.
>
>So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
>Ban
>Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
>other
>arbitrary shut-downs.
>
>Sandra the opinionated
>

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The people who originally conceived of the no TV week did not say "turn off your TV and read".  Their idea was to just get people to THINK about their TV viewing, to get out of watching TV as a HABIT, rather than a conscious decision, and to think about alternatives to watching TV.  They encouraged families to interact in other ways.
 
>>>When my kids were still in school, they
always had to sign these pledge forms during this week
not to watch TV. >>
 
Mary Ellen
Changing the status of mothers,
by gaining real recognition for their work,
is the great unfinished business of the women's movement.

Tami Labig-Duquette

ARRRRRRRRRGGGGG, Flog that woman :)


>From: Helen Hegener <HEM-Editor@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:52:27 -0700
>
>At 12:44 PM -0400 4/23/01, SandraDodd@... wrote:
> >So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
>Ban
> >Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
>other
> >arbitrary shut-downs.
>
>Hear, hear. Maybe we should have a "Computer Turn Off Week." <g>
>
>Helen
>

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Now here is a laugh for you all who remember me coming
here many 
times, regarding my dd and TV.
We had *sky digital* - giving us 24 channels. I
suppose it is 
similar to cable in America, not sure. Anyway we got
rid of it, 
leaving us only 5 channels. dh was talking about
putting it back on 
again. *dd* quickly said "No Dad, otherwise I will
watch it all the 
time and i HATE watching TV" !!!!!

*What*!!!!

Marianne

Oh, the power of unschooling!!! She finally figured
out taht she really didn't enjoy telly that much, huh?
I can't believe you only got 24 channels with Sky
digital though, we had more than that with Sky before
they went dig over here...

Tracy

Juli

I read once about an artist who has a rule with her
husband that they don't speak in the morning. They
have breakfast, etc., but she's thinking about her
art, and they've agreed that's silent time. Then she
goes to her studio and works. Sorry, I don't remember
who the artist was. Juli
--- LisaBugg <LisaBugg@...> wrote:
> ""Silence, don't talk, Week"
>
> I have a friend who has a family-wide week of
> silence every year around the
> winter solstice. They *hibernate* as much as
> possible, speaking to each
> other and others only when absolutely necessary.
> I've never been able to
> convince my family to try it
>
> It sure does sound like a good idea though.
>
> Lisa
>
>


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wow Marianne, she has come a long way in just a few months. Don't I recall you worrying about how much time she spent in front of the telly?! By the way, we have satellite tv here. A dish is sent up in the yard and receives a signal. You pay monthly jus like cable.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: TV Turn Off Week 22-29

Now here is a laugh for you all who remember me coming here many
times, regarding my dd and TV.
We had *sky digital* - giving us 24 channels.  I suppose it is
similar to cable in America, not sure.  Anyway we got rid of it,
leaving us only 5 channels.  dh was talking about putting it back on
again.  *dd* quickly said "No Dad, otherwise I will watch it all the
time and i HATE watching TV" !!!!!

*What*!!!!

Marianne



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my kids think I'm mean because we shut the satellite off and only get two broadcast stations. They have founds lots of interesting things to though
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29


LOL You mean they actually turn on?
Tami who is without satillite(sp), and not missing it much anymore :)
(only when I miss profiler or forensic files)

>From: SandraDodd@...
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:44:32 EDT
>
>This is a bad week to be sending attachments to this list!
>
>If you want to cut and paste the info on TV Turn Off Week into e-mail, that
>would be cool, but empty e-mail with an attachment is oogie.
>
>So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
>Ban
>Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
>other
>arbitrary shut-downs.
>
>Sandra the opinionated
>

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--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., "Johanna" <saninocencio1@c...> wrote:
> wow Marianne, she has come a long way in just a few months. Don't I
recall you worrying about how much time she spent in front of the
telly.>
>


Johanna

Yes, I have come to this board many times Re. watching TV. I could
not believe what I was hearing when she told her father!!!

Marianne

Johanna

which woman, Sandra, Helen, Tracy or Mary Ellen?
Johanna
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29

ARRRRRRRRRGGGGG, Flog that woman :)


>From: Helen Hegener <HEM-Editor@...>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] TV Turn Off Week 22-29
>Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:52:27 -0700
>
>At 12:44 PM -0400 4/23/01, SandraDodd@... wrote:
> >So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
>Ban
> >Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
>other
> >arbitrary shut-downs.
>
>Hear, hear. Maybe we should have a "Computer Turn Off Week." <g>
>
>Helen
>

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No, no, Helen! I've been to a monastery (with a high school youth group for
"silence, don't talk," but DON'T take my computer away all week!

:-0 Diane

> >So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
Ban
> >Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
> other
> >arbitrary shut-downs.
>
> Hear, hear. Maybe we should have a "Computer Turn Off Week." <g>


:-) Diane

DiamondAir

>At 12:44 PM -0400 4/23/01, SandraDodd@... wrote:
>So is TV Turn Off Week, to me, unless it's going to be balanced by "Book
Ban
>Week" and "Silence, don't talk, Week" and "No Question Asking Week" and
>other arbitrary shut-downs.


Hmmmm, it seems to me that one of these things is not like the others.
Reading, talking, and asking questions are vital life skills in our society,
without which it would be difficult, if not impossible, to lead a normal
life. OTOH, one can survive and even thrive without a television. I was
raised largely TV-free and other than a few occasions when drunken people at
parties spontaneously erupted into the theme song from Gilligan's Island or
some other such thing and I had no clue what they were going on about, I
can't say that it's been much of a loss. Well, there was that once in school
when I was teased by the other kids by not knowing who "The Fonz" was.
Oh yeah, I also don't rush over to glue myself to the tube whenever I go to
a house that has one :-), and neither do my (poor, television-deprived)
children :-) :-)

I think that given the fact that a large number of kids in this country are
being baby-sat by the television, with little to no interaction with them by
their parents (not that anyone on this list does that, but as someone who
has done a lot of work with disadvantaged youth I've seen enough of it to
know it's not just some myth), that "TV Turn Off Week" would on the whole,
be a good idea. After all, many of these kids are never read a book, rarely
talked to, and often have no-one answering their questions. My in-laws are a
great example of television usurping all conversation and thought and
interaction with their children, unfortunately.

I also think our culture could benefit from a good hard look at why the
average person on the street can name more people from "Survivor" and tell
more about their lives than they can about the neighbors that live right
next to them in their own community. TV is largely an isolating activity;
reading, talking, and question asking are not.

And yes, I do have a TV and even watch it once a week. I just can't resist
"Whose Line Is It Anyway?"

-Robin-
Not convinced that television is necessary to existence and ready to duck
:-)

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episodes...

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diamondair@... writes:


> ), that "TV Turn Off Week" would on the whole,
> be a good idea. After all, many of these kids are never read a book, rarely
> talked to, and often have no-one answering their questions. My in-laws are a
> great example of television usurping all conversation and thought and
> interaction with their children, unfortunately.
>
>


I understand your points and on the one hand agree, but on the other hand, I
don't think that having this week will get a parent to read a book to a child
that has not been interested in reading to them before, or answer questions,
etc. And it seems to me the remark about your inlaws may be a slight bit bias
:) I doubt there was no interaction at all .

I guess if the week gets people to think about their actions, etc. that is a
good thing, but I wonder how many people feel a fleeting sense of guilt about
not spending enough time with their kids and then forget about it the rest of
the year.

lovemary


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Eileen M.

I think it doesn't hurt to try it out, as an
experiment. We didn't do a "TV Blackout", but we did
put a moratorium on anything but PBS shows that the
entire family agreed to watch for a month, and that
certainly cut down on our tv time considerably... we
never went back to *quite* the same amount of tv
watching as we had indulged in before that. More
importantly, it caused us to institute a new
tradition. Now we have Weekend Game Brunches every
week, in which we either cook a special meal or go out
together to a restaurant that has a relaxed enough
atmosphere that we feel free to spend two hours at the
table, eating our meal and then playing cards (our
favorite is Wizard) together. The entire family
agrees that this is our favorite time in the week!

Eileen


--- lite2yu@... wrote:

> I guess if the week gets people to think about their
> actions, etc. that is a
> good thing, but I wonder how many people feel a
> fleeting sense of guilt about
> not spending enough time with their kids and then
> forget about it the rest of
> the year.
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"Eileen M." wrote:

> I think it doesn't hurt to try it out, as an
> experiment. We didn't do a "TV Blackout", but we did
> put a moratorium on anything but PBS shows that the
> entire family agreed to watch for a month, and that
> certainly cut down on our tv time considerably... we
> never went back to *quite* the same amount of tv
> watching as we had indulged in before that. More
> importantly, it caused us to institute a new
> tradition. Now we have Weekend Game Brunches every
> week, in which we either cook a special meal or go out
> together to a restaurant that has a relaxed enough
> atmosphere that we feel free to spend two hours at the
> table, eating our meal and then playing cards (our
> favorite is Wizard) together. The entire family
> agrees that this is our favorite time in the week!
>
> Eileen
>
>
> --- lite2yu@... wrote:
>
> > I guess if the week gets people to think about their
> > actions, etc. that is a
> > good thing, but I wonder how many people feel a
> > fleeting sense of guilt about
> > not spending enough time with their kids and then
> > forget about it the rest of
> > the year.
> >
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In a message dated 4/24/01 9:58:03 AM, diamondair@... writes:

<< After all, many of these kids are never read a book, rarely
talked to, and often have no-one answering their questions. >>

For some kids, maybe the TV is the closest they come to literature,
language-learning and question-answering, and there is a TON of literature,
language, history, science, etc. on TV. "The Story of English" (which we
videotaped) is amazing. We bought the companion book too, but in the book
you cannot hear the accents (some of which had to be subtitled because they
are so unlike standard American English).

My parents didn't like anything but country & western music. Outside of band
at school and some $2.10 piano lessons (the teacher hadn't raised her rates
since the 1930's or so) TV was my window to classical, musical theatre,
Renaissance and folk music at first (the Friendly Giant is where I learned
"Early One Morning," and when I first saw it in a book I recognized the tune).

Photos in books don't show the way giraffes move, the way a lion sounds, the
way monkeys look when they use tools, and how their limbs move.

I'm not buying that reading is necessary, either. Many cultures exist
without it.

<<TV is largely an isolating activity;
reading, talking, and question asking are not.>>

Reading is.

A book is the refuge, the escape of millions of kids right now, this moment,
who are in a book instead of listening to the teacher, or in a book to avoid
siblings or parents or caretakers or hospital personnel.

Sandra

Juli

> -Robin-
> Not convinced that television is necessary to
> existence and ready to duck

I thought Sandra's comment was funny, but I don't have
TV either, not at all. I just don't think TV turn off
week works. I mean, TV turn off month or TV turn off
year might be a better plan. But I think that TV turn
off week just reinforces the idea some kids have that
TV is fun, a thing to love, a thing you value so much
that turning off is a great sacrifice. Like the school
will REWARD them if they've done it. Juli

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<<I'm not buying that reading is necessary, either. Many cultures exist
without it.>>

Sandra

I've been waiting, with anticipation, for you to weigh in on this
discussion. Once again, thank you. Your thoughts echo some of mine and
you have, as usual, gotten me to think even farther outside the box.

I'm an avid reader and it is one of my favorite "escapes". I think I get
as much, with different flavor, from the TV and movies I watch. The
books about snakes I read to my 3 yo leave him cold but a show about them
on the Discovery channel thrills him right down to his toes. No amount
of reading will communicate the sight of them flicking their tongues and
slithering across the sand.

Not all children LIKE being read to. My daughter easily consumed at
least 2 hours of my time with this activity everyday. My son MIGHT
tolerate 5 minutes if I manage to use enough animation in my rendition.
He would rather play catch, "the floor is hot lava so you have to get
through the house via the furniture" or any other physical and/or
imagination play.

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In a message dated 4/24/2001 4:11:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<<
I'm an avid reader and it is one of my favorite "escapes". >>

Me, too. Definitely an escape for me. I have two kids who love reading and
books and one who makes up his own stories and games and is lukewarm to the
idea of sitting and being read to. He will love to hear of your son's lava
game.

"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative
pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his brain too little falls into
lazy habits of thinking." Albert Einstein

Laura, who reads too much and uses her brain too little as evidenced by her
constant quoting of others.

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In a message dated 4/24/01 1:02:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
yuliwomie@... writes:

<< I don't have
TV either, not at all. I >>

We don't have it, either. There are things on TV I enjoy seeing but
overall I feel like our household is better without it. I felt like it was
on too much when I was a kid. We went to Yosemite every year for a couple of
weeks to stay in a cabin and I was so glad it wasn't there. It would have
ruined the whole atmosphere to have it blasting away every evening. Even now
my parents have it on a lot when we're there and it even drives my 3 older
kids crazy.
I also feel like there are better things we can do with the $480 a year
or so that it would cost us for standard service in our area. We're pretty
strongly into the simplify your life stuff and look for ways to cut back
unfulfilling spending in order for my husband to work less.
But I don't have some big major conviction about it like I'm judging
people who do have it. I've had it before and it's possible that at some
future time, we could have it again (doubt it right now but who knows...).

Lucy

Eileen M.

I was an early and avid reader, as is just about
everyone in my family. I assumed, when my son
voluntarily started reading phonetically before he was
2, that he would be the same... and then was dismayed
and alarmed when he entered school and nearly stopped
reading entirely (though he still loved to be read
to). It wasn't until this past year (he just turned
11) that he began reading to himself for pleasure, and
he still isn't what you'd call a big reader. He
started reading for pleasure literally overnight,
though, so I just figure that he'll become more of a
reader as he matures.

Either that or he'll still be calling me to read to
him when he is 30. ;D

Eileen


--- parrishml@... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/24/2001 4:11:23 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> louisam1@... writes:
>
> <<
> I'm an avid reader and it is one of my favorite
> "escapes". >>
>
> Me, too. Definitely an escape for me. I have two
> kids who love reading and
> books and one who makes up his own stories and games
> and is lukewarm to the
> idea of sitting and being read to. He will love to
> hear of your son's lava
> game.
>
> "Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too
> much from its creative
> pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his
> brain too little falls into
> lazy habits of thinking." Albert Einstein
>
> Laura, who reads too much and uses her brain too
> little as evidenced by her
> constant quoting of others.
>


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Wizard is a special deck of cards (a regular deck + 4
Jesters + 4 Wizards), instructions & pad of special
scorepages. It is a bidding trump & trick game, so it
is a good introduction to many of the aspects of
Bridge. The game's rules are simple enough for middle
kids (a very precocious 8 and up, I think) to play,
but it does involve strategy and is challenging enough
to keep adults amused as well. Everybody that has
taken our recommendation so far has come back with
rave reviews. In our area we have seen it at Games By
James, Zany Brainy, and Creative Kidstuff, I believe,
but is a more specialized game than you are likely to
find at Toys R Us, WalMart etc. It can be found on
the net as well... I typed in 'Wizard and card games'
in my favorite search engine (Dogpile), and got dozens
of sites that are selling it. Well worth searching
out!

Eileen

--- scrunchy <scrunchy@...> wrote:
> What is Wizard? Do you use special cards to play?
> Norma
>


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Ha!!! I'm glad someone else has children crawling over the furniture and jumping from rug to rug because the floor is hot lava! :)


l

> He would rather play catch, "the floor is hot lava so you have to get
> through the house via the furniture" or any other physical and/or
> imagination play.
>