Re: Re: Allergies
Thomas and Nanci Kuykendall
do you know how many baby foods have apples in
cheese mostly,) no eggs (or trace amounts,) no preservatives, no heavy
spices and no nuts, nut oils, or other nut products. Do you have any idea
how many things have NUTS in them?! He can eat butter and yogurt, which do
not contain the dairy proteins that cause most allergies, and that is a big
help to us as I can make him sandwiches with butter instead of Mayo, or
make buttered noodles, give him frozen yogurt in lieu of ice cream, etc.
We also look for foods with Calcium added (O.J., cereal bars, Eggo
Waffles)to ensure that he gets enough in his diet. He cannot eat the
typical kid things like canned pastas, cheese, ice cream, cake, pizza, most
cookies, etc. We also have to be careful with things like Ketchup. He
loves the stuff, and will eat it with a spoon, but it affects his sensative
skin (as if his food allergies were not enough!!) So if he is having
'tater tots' or chicken nuggets or some such with ketchup, we have to keep
a damp towel handy and wipe off his face every few minutes or he gets a
hivey rash around his mouth. He eats a lot of whole foods (fruits and
veggies) dried, jellied, raw, steamed or otherwise prepared simply, loves
fish (although we are avoiding shellfish for now as a common allergen)
chicken and other meats, and eats a lot of crackers (like wheat thins and
graham crackers.)
Sometimes, when we are out to eat, we will construct meals out of several
side dishes, or ask for a special meal for him if we cannot find anything
on the menu for him. I sometimes make a seperate "kids meal" at home for
the boys (although our youngest has no known allergies of any type) if we
adults would like to eat something Thomas cannot have.
I hope I can get myself together to test for allergies soon, what would you
suggest
for it. Anyway his protein type allergies (nuts, eggs, dairy) do not
respond to traditional testing. We discovered his allergies the hard way,
with very scarey trips to the ER, particularly for the nut one. The ER doc
said it was a good thing he did not actually ingest any of the peanut
butter, but meerly played with it (his first try of peanut butter at age 1)
or else I would never have made it to the hospital in time. His reaction
was VERY severe. We also had ER visits for Dairy allergy (9 months,) Egg
allergy (15 months,) and Asthma (18 months.) The pet allergies,
preservative allergies and dust allergy were less severe and we were able
to treat his reactions at home with the allergy medication we already had
on hand. His sensative skin surfaced at about 6 weeks old when we had to
put a humidifier in his room and cycled through several perscriptions
looking for something that worked on his Eczema and rashes.
Nanci K. in Idaho
>them? wow! I cannot even immagine what you go thru with the food items, howFor Thomas we must choose foods that contain no dairy proteins (milk, and
>do you choose things to eat?? I think that my life with my daughter must be
>easier than yours, she may be extreeme, but with patience and understanding
>we get thru, but I don't think I would survive those severe allergies only
>because I am the queen of JUNK FOOD!!!!
cheese mostly,) no eggs (or trace amounts,) no preservatives, no heavy
spices and no nuts, nut oils, or other nut products. Do you have any idea
how many things have NUTS in them?! He can eat butter and yogurt, which do
not contain the dairy proteins that cause most allergies, and that is a big
help to us as I can make him sandwiches with butter instead of Mayo, or
make buttered noodles, give him frozen yogurt in lieu of ice cream, etc.
We also look for foods with Calcium added (O.J., cereal bars, Eggo
Waffles)to ensure that he gets enough in his diet. He cannot eat the
typical kid things like canned pastas, cheese, ice cream, cake, pizza, most
cookies, etc. We also have to be careful with things like Ketchup. He
loves the stuff, and will eat it with a spoon, but it affects his sensative
skin (as if his food allergies were not enough!!) So if he is having
'tater tots' or chicken nuggets or some such with ketchup, we have to keep
a damp towel handy and wipe off his face every few minutes or he gets a
hivey rash around his mouth. He eats a lot of whole foods (fruits and
veggies) dried, jellied, raw, steamed or otherwise prepared simply, loves
fish (although we are avoiding shellfish for now as a common allergen)
chicken and other meats, and eats a lot of crackers (like wheat thins and
graham crackers.)
Sometimes, when we are out to eat, we will construct meals out of several
side dishes, or ask for a special meal for him if we cannot find anything
on the menu for him. I sometimes make a seperate "kids meal" at home for
the boys (although our youngest has no known allergies of any type) if we
adults would like to eat something Thomas cannot have.
I hope I can get myself together to test for allergies soon, what would you
suggest
>as the best place to start?I would not know about allergy testing. Thomas is only 2.5 and too young
for it. Anyway his protein type allergies (nuts, eggs, dairy) do not
respond to traditional testing. We discovered his allergies the hard way,
with very scarey trips to the ER, particularly for the nut one. The ER doc
said it was a good thing he did not actually ingest any of the peanut
butter, but meerly played with it (his first try of peanut butter at age 1)
or else I would never have made it to the hospital in time. His reaction
was VERY severe. We also had ER visits for Dairy allergy (9 months,) Egg
allergy (15 months,) and Asthma (18 months.) The pet allergies,
preservative allergies and dust allergy were less severe and we were able
to treat his reactions at home with the allergy medication we already had
on hand. His sensative skin surfaced at about 6 weeks old when we had to
put a humidifier in his room and cycled through several perscriptions
looking for something that worked on his Eczema and rashes.
Nanci K. in Idaho
Sandra Brown
>I would not know about allergy testing. Thomas is only 2.5 and too youngfor it.
I would recommend finding a good allergist. My HMO id for an immunologist
for my then nine month old son, and I found a wonderful doctor. He was a
member of the Food Allergy Network, and very informed on the latest research
regarding allergies. He helped me through two hour long sessions identify
and eliminate the most prominent allergens, and encouraged me to breastfeed
my son as long as I could. We did scratch testing when he was nine months
old and discovered his worst allergies were obviously dairy, dust, and mold.
This helped in managing his severe eczema. We were already a dairy free
household, and the elimnation diet helped us identify only one other food
allergy. So much attention is paid to diet that often environmental
allergens aren't addressed.
There are several comprehensive books about dealing with allergies, I
recommend starting with IS THIS YOUR CHILD, and THE ALLERGY RESOURCE BOOK.
Warmly,
Sandra Brown
Ann Arbor MI
Bridget E Coffman
I've talked about allergies before. Yes, dyes and preservatives can be
allergens and frequently are. I highly recommend a book called, "Is this
your child?" I often hear people talk about how their kid gets 'wired on
sugar' and I'd be willing to bet that in at least half those cases the
true culprit is the baggage with the sugar. You can use Kool-Aid as hair
dye, why would you want to drink that.
You asked about the symptoms, here are Wyndham's. When he eats wheat he
has predominately intestinal symptoms with just a few behavioural ones
thrown in. Wheat will cause him to mess his pants and not know it is
going to happen. It will also cause him to get rashy and wheezy a bit.
The chemical allergens act completely different. The initial symptoms
are behavioural. He will go from a sweet little boy to Mr. Hyde in the
space of an hour. I am always the first to see it coming because I can
hear a change in the pitch of his voice. He will bounce of the walls and
act really bizarre. He also will be more prone to the OCD symptoms I
discussed earlier. I believe all of this is connected, the ICD and
allergies.
Another interesting allergy symptom is handwriting. There is a really
good example in the book I mentioned above. I know with myself that I
can look at my handwriting and tell how close to a major allergy attack I
am. It's kinda weird but pretty accurate.
Bridget
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And the Geezer says:
"Back in my day, 'Astral Projection' meant mooning someone!"
allergens and frequently are. I highly recommend a book called, "Is this
your child?" I often hear people talk about how their kid gets 'wired on
sugar' and I'd be willing to bet that in at least half those cases the
true culprit is the baggage with the sugar. You can use Kool-Aid as hair
dye, why would you want to drink that.
You asked about the symptoms, here are Wyndham's. When he eats wheat he
has predominately intestinal symptoms with just a few behavioural ones
thrown in. Wheat will cause him to mess his pants and not know it is
going to happen. It will also cause him to get rashy and wheezy a bit.
The chemical allergens act completely different. The initial symptoms
are behavioural. He will go from a sweet little boy to Mr. Hyde in the
space of an hour. I am always the first to see it coming because I can
hear a change in the pitch of his voice. He will bounce of the walls and
act really bizarre. He also will be more prone to the OCD symptoms I
discussed earlier. I believe all of this is connected, the ICD and
allergies.
Another interesting allergy symptom is handwriting. There is a really
good example in the book I mentioned above. I know with myself that I
can look at my handwriting and tell how close to a major allergy attack I
am. It's kinda weird but pretty accurate.
Bridget
> Message: 13OO oo 00 oo OO 00 oo OO oo 00 oo OO 00 oo OO oo 00
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:19:03 EDT
> From: brendaclaspell@...
> Subject: Looking for son's allergies...
>
> I'm not sure if it was this list or another, but I've heard other
> mom's talk
> about children's allergies. My son is allergic to dairy and eggs,
> since
> birth, but now I'm wondering about other stuff too. Seems like I've
> heard
> someone talk about preservatives and other unnatural stuff, just
> wanted a bit
> more specific info. Like he gets wired on sugar, but sometimes when
> he has
> candy, he behaves like he's had dairy or eggs. I'm wondering if
> it's dyes or
> preservatives or something. So just wondering what were allergies
> for other
> kids. Any feedback would be great....Thanks!
>
> Brenda
>
oo OO 00 oo
And the Geezer says:
"Back in my day, 'Astral Projection' meant mooning someone!"
julie m
Hi there all,
I have just joined this list, and am facinated by the
fact that one of the first topic that comes up is
allergies.
We are a food allergy family.
We dont eat (very often) wheat, barley, oats,rye,
buckwheat, millet, potatoe, tomatoe, bananas, dairy,
beef, all beef by-products, shellfish, fish.
We have symptoms of mood, behavoural, intestinal, skin
problems.
I am a radical unschooler at present, I would
eventually like to get some structure into my day, but
Daniel at 7 is stilll young enough to pick up missed
info.
Jeremy is 5 and anthony is 4.
I live in New Zealand and am divorced.
I have been homeschooling since January. our school
year is from february to december.
nice to be on the list
Julz
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I have just joined this list, and am facinated by the
fact that one of the first topic that comes up is
allergies.
We are a food allergy family.
We dont eat (very often) wheat, barley, oats,rye,
buckwheat, millet, potatoe, tomatoe, bananas, dairy,
beef, all beef by-products, shellfish, fish.
We have symptoms of mood, behavoural, intestinal, skin
problems.
I am a radical unschooler at present, I would
eventually like to get some structure into my day, but
Daniel at 7 is stilll young enough to pick up missed
info.
Jeremy is 5 and anthony is 4.
I live in New Zealand and am divorced.
I have been homeschooling since January. our school
year is from february to december.
nice to be on the list
Julz
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Sharon Rudd
Welcome Julz
What sort of official requirements do you have in
your area? Did the 7yr old go to school some already?
It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in the
spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ? why
is that?
Sharon in N Florida, USA
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What sort of official requirements do you have in
your area? Did the 7yr old go to school some already?
It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in the
spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ? why
is that?
Sharon in N Florida, USA
> Hi there all,Zealand and am divorced.
> I have just joined this list>
> I am a radical unschooler at present> I live in New
> I have been homeschooling since January. our school__________________________________________________
> year is from february to december.
> nice to be on the list
> Julz
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Tia Leschke
>Cause it's not winter for them. It's summer there at that time.
>It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in the
>spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ? why
>is that?
Tia
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I know I'm not Julz, but December thru February is summer when you live in
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New Zeland or Australia.
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> Welcome Julz
> What sort of official requirements do you have in
> your area? Did the 7yr old go to school some already?
>
> It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in the
> spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ? why
> is that?
>
> Sharon in N Florida, USA
>
>
> > Hi there all,
> > I have just joined this list>
> > I am a radical unschooler at present> I live in New
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> > I have been homeschooling since January. our school
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> > nice to be on the list
> > Julz
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> I live in New Zealand and am divorced.Julz
> I have been homeschooling since January. our school
> year is from february to december.
>
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> Julz
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Hi! I am Marianne also from NZ! I dont post very often, I am a
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> Subject: New Zealand wasRe: [Unschooling-dotcom]
> Allergies
>
>
> > Welcome Julz
> > What sort of official requirements do you have in
> > your area? Did the 7yr old go to school some
> already?
> >
> > It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in
> the
> > spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ?
> why
> > is that?
> >
> > Sharon in N Florida, USA
> >
> >
> > > Hi there all,
> > > I have just joined this list>
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> New
> > Zealand and am divorced.
> > > I have been homeschooling since January. our
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> > > nice to be on the list
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julie m
Okay,
Where do I start, we are coming into spring, so our 6
week break is over summer, the Christmas holidays.
This year i think it starts on 22 December and goes to
1st week in February.
Daniel was in a small school when he first started
school. If I could have, I would have left him there.
The school had 28 pupils from year 1 through to year
7.
The homeschooling requirements are:
you apply for an exemption.
You get it,
maybe if you are unlucky you get a review.
That is it.
At this stage, no reporting, no testing no nothing.
We just "have to teach as well and as regulary as a
normal school", or something like that.
In primary years, that equates to about 2 hours per
day of 'schooling'.
Me personally, I do no seat work as a rule, but Daniel
reads, and reads, and reads.
We are a food allergy family, with my second son being
mild special needs.
I am looking forward to learning what other
unschoolers do, and how they 'prove' to the
authorities that the children are learning. I am
sometimes concerned that Daniel who I believe has a
high IQ (mine is 120), is learning the skills
necessary to go into the field of 'expertise' he will
one day decide is for him.
I have brought my children up not to get too attached
to anything, and as a result daniel has no hobbies or
any great interests, I dont know if he is like this
naturatlly or if it is the way I have brought him up.
I have been on my own for over 3 years now, and there
is very little male input, other than my step-father
who isnot a mans man, but my boys are.
Does this make sence, I hope I have answered your
queries.
Julz (Whose real name is Julie, but for the first time
in my life, I am finding Julie's all over the place
and I really dont like the name Julie, so it is
becoming Julz, NOT jules, for some reason I prefer the
z to es)
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Where do I start, we are coming into spring, so our 6
week break is over summer, the Christmas holidays.
This year i think it starts on 22 December and goes to
1st week in February.
Daniel was in a small school when he first started
school. If I could have, I would have left him there.
The school had 28 pupils from year 1 through to year
7.
The homeschooling requirements are:
you apply for an exemption.
You get it,
maybe if you are unlucky you get a review.
That is it.
At this stage, no reporting, no testing no nothing.
We just "have to teach as well and as regulary as a
normal school", or something like that.
In primary years, that equates to about 2 hours per
day of 'schooling'.
Me personally, I do no seat work as a rule, but Daniel
reads, and reads, and reads.
We are a food allergy family, with my second son being
mild special needs.
I am looking forward to learning what other
unschoolers do, and how they 'prove' to the
authorities that the children are learning. I am
sometimes concerned that Daniel who I believe has a
high IQ (mine is 120), is learning the skills
necessary to go into the field of 'expertise' he will
one day decide is for him.
I have brought my children up not to get too attached
to anything, and as a result daniel has no hobbies or
any great interests, I dont know if he is like this
naturatlly or if it is the way I have brought him up.
I have been on my own for over 3 years now, and there
is very little male input, other than my step-father
who isnot a mans man, but my boys are.
Does this make sence, I hope I have answered your
queries.
Julz (Whose real name is Julie, but for the first time
in my life, I am finding Julie's all over the place
and I really dont like the name Julie, so it is
becoming Julz, NOT jules, for some reason I prefer the
z to es)
--- Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...> wrote:
> Welcome Julz__________________________________________________
> What sort of official requirements do you have in
> your area? Did the 7yr old go to school some
> already?
>
> It is just beginning to be autumn here, you are in
> the
> spring? Public school is out in the winter in NZ?
> why
> is that?
>
> Sharon in N Florida, USA
>
>
> > Hi there all,
> > I have just joined this list>
> > I am a radical unschooler at present> I live in
> New
> Zealand and am divorced.
> > I have been homeschooling since January. our
> school
> > year is from february to december.
> > nice to be on the list
> > Julz
>
>
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Hi Julz
Why did you not "leave him there"?
How do you show that you are providing equilivant
instruction? Here, in the USA each state has different
requirements. Some are as vague as those you describe.
Yes, you answered all of my queries. Thanks. ' got
some more.
Do you feel that you must provide about two hours per
day of sructured lessons?
Is the water really so pure in NZ it can be drunk from
the streams and rivers? or is that only is some areas?
In any areas at all that sounds so wonderful. Do you
use thermal heat?
Sharon
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Why did you not "leave him there"?
How do you show that you are providing equilivant
instruction? Here, in the USA each state has different
requirements. Some are as vague as those you describe.
Yes, you answered all of my queries. Thanks. ' got
some more.
Do you feel that you must provide about two hours per
day of sructured lessons?
Is the water really so pure in NZ it can be drunk from
the streams and rivers? or is that only is some areas?
In any areas at all that sounds so wonderful. Do you
use thermal heat?
Sharon
> Daniel was in a small school when he first started__________________________________________________
> school. If I could have, I would have left him
> there.
> The homeschooling requirements are:
> you apply for an exemption.
> You get it,
> maybe if you are unlucky you get a review.
> That is it.
> At this stage, no reporting, no testing no nothing.
> We just "have to teach as well and as regulary as a
> normal school", or something like that.
> In primary years, that equates to about 2 hours per
> day of 'schooling'.
> > Julz
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julie m
Hi Sharon, and any other interested peoples,
My marriage broke and I moved from Levin to Auckland,
so Daniel changed schools when he was 6, he then had a
really good teacher last year, but I didnt like any of
the teachers he could have ended up with this year. I
thought I could do better, and also, he was getting
very aggressive and verbally abusive.
RE the 2 hours per day, I would love to give him 1
hour a day structure, but I am not yet that sort of
person. I would love to do htat but not yet.
As for our pure water, well for the most part, where
the streams are that are pure, are where there are no
cattle farms and no towns yes the water can be that
pure. But mainly in the South Island where there is
lots of hills, lots of snow in winter and very few
people and some animals, mainly sheep.
Sheep pellets for those that dont know are the best
fertiliser, because sheep dont eat weeds and junk.
The thermal heat, well, I cant actually answer that.
I think some parts of Rotorua have thermal heat, but I
dont really know. Sorry about that.
I live in Auckland, the largest city in NZ.
Julz
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My marriage broke and I moved from Levin to Auckland,
so Daniel changed schools when he was 6, he then had a
really good teacher last year, but I didnt like any of
the teachers he could have ended up with this year. I
thought I could do better, and also, he was getting
very aggressive and verbally abusive.
RE the 2 hours per day, I would love to give him 1
hour a day structure, but I am not yet that sort of
person. I would love to do htat but not yet.
As for our pure water, well for the most part, where
the streams are that are pure, are where there are no
cattle farms and no towns yes the water can be that
pure. But mainly in the South Island where there is
lots of hills, lots of snow in winter and very few
people and some animals, mainly sheep.
Sheep pellets for those that dont know are the best
fertiliser, because sheep dont eat weeds and junk.
The thermal heat, well, I cant actually answer that.
I think some parts of Rotorua have thermal heat, but I
dont really know. Sorry about that.
I live in Auckland, the largest city in NZ.
Julz
--- Sharon Rudd <bearspawprint@...> wrote:
>__________________________________________________
>
> Hi Julz
>
> Why did you not "leave him there"?
> How do you show that you are providing equilivant
> instruction? Here, in the USA each state has
> different
> requirements. Some are as vague as those you
> describe.
>
> Yes, you answered all of my queries. Thanks. ' got
> some more.
>
> Do you feel that you must provide about two hours
> per
> day of sructured lessons?
>
> Is the water really so pure in NZ it can be drunk
> from
> the streams and rivers? or is that only is some
> areas?
> In any areas at all that sounds so wonderful. Do you
> use thermal heat?
>
> Sharon
>
> > Daniel was in a small school when he first
> started
> > school. If I could have, I would have left him
> > there.
> > The homeschooling requirements are:
> > you apply for an exemption.
> > You get it,
> > maybe if you are unlucky you get a review.
> > That is it.
> > At this stage, no reporting, no testing no
> nothing.
> > We just "have to teach as well and as regulary as
> a
> > normal school", or something like that.
> > In primary years, that equates to about 2 hours
> per
> > day of 'schooling'.
> > > Julz
>
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Sharon Rudd
Hi Julz
Thanks for the reply. And acknowledging my questions.
Unschoolers don't aspire to structured instruciton.
That you are not "that kind of person" is great. Not
to worry. There is lots of good info and encouragement
here. And lots of spirit.
Have fun with the kids!
Sharon
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Thanks for the reply. And acknowledging my questions.
Unschoolers don't aspire to structured instruciton.
That you are not "that kind of person" is great. Not
to worry. There is lots of good info and encouragement
here. And lots of spirit.
Have fun with the kids!
Sharon
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Bridget E Coffman
My "old man Physician" explained in very technical terms about allergies
and how they can (in some cases but not all) often cause cravings similar
to an alcoholics craving for booze. I forget now the reasons behind it,
but I know from experience that it can be true. He also warned me to be
expecially careful with the alcohol I drank. I am allergic to corn and
crave it. I also come from a family with a high history of alcoholism.
He said I should stay far away from corn-mash bourbons. I did, but
mostly because I have tastes for other things and don't drink much
anyway.
Bridget
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
and how they can (in some cases but not all) often cause cravings similar
to an alcoholics craving for booze. I forget now the reasons behind it,
but I know from experience that it can be true. He also warned me to be
expecially careful with the alcohol I drank. I am allergic to corn and
crave it. I also come from a family with a high history of alcoholism.
He said I should stay far away from corn-mash bourbons. I did, but
mostly because I have tastes for other things and don't drink much
anyway.
Bridget
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:42:20 -0500item......many
> From: "Joseph Fuerst" <fuerst@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1579
>
> Also, alcoholics and substance abusers crave their addictive
> need the intervention of loved ones to turn themselves around.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
[email protected]
In a message dated 11/14/2001 11:52:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
you would each take the time to LISTEN to the other, you would discover you
probably are not that far apart on the issue. But instead you take a portion
of something the other said and distort it. No one said you were nuts for
thinking the way you do Sandra, and no one said your family was chock full of
badness Bridget. To infer those things from the conversation is paranoid and
looking for something to get upset about.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[email protected] writes:
> While you seem to being saying, "Your problems would all go away if youIt appears to me that both of you are putting words in the others mouths. If
> would just do what I do." You never acknowledge that other people may
> have different needs than you, that other children may have problems
> your's don't. That anyone else could possible have found a way of doing
> things that works as well as yours.
>
> I have no discord in my household and very happy kids. They have free
> reign over their food intake (with the exception of allergens - which may
> or may not be restricted depending on the point of development.) But,
> because I had to step in and limit certain foods at certain times, and
> because I have had to step in and take control of the TV with my OCD son,
> you assume that my family if chock full of badness.
>
> I certainly hope you respect the individuality of your children more than
> you respect the individuality of those on this list with you. I never
> said you were nuts. I never even said you way can't work. I'm sure it
> does work for some. And I'm equally certain that you are doing a
> disservice to those for whom it can't work for one reason or another by
> suggesting that they just aren't doing it right.
>
> Bridget
>
>
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> > Subject: Re: Re: Why the sea...
> >
> >
> > << I see that same self-rightiousness rearing it's head in the
> > > "let them watch whatever they want" camp. >>
> >
> > But here's the difference:
> > Those who are complaining of discord, frustration, unhappy kids,
> allergies
> > are those who are defending limits.
> >
> > Thos saying "we don't have those problems" are suggesting removing the
>
> > limits, and have success stories to go with their decisions.
> >
> > In the course of offering suggestions of things which have worked well
> for
> > us, we're being insulted by those totally unwilling to consider doing
> that,
> > sure that we're nuts.
> >
> > It's exactly like structured families and school-using families'
> analysis of
> > unschooling. It will never work, how will they learn to read, how
> will they
> > learn math, they'll never get a job, they won't write unless you
> > make them, etc.
> >
> > The food thing works like unschooling works, and for many of the same
> > reasons. Humans are organisms with the inborn need and ability to
> grow and
> > learn. Controls often backfire.
> >
> > Sandra
> >
>
>
you would each take the time to LISTEN to the other, you would discover you
probably are not that far apart on the issue. But instead you take a portion
of something the other said and distort it. No one said you were nuts for
thinking the way you do Sandra, and no one said your family was chock full of
badness Bridget. To infer those things from the conversation is paranoid and
looking for something to get upset about.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bridget E Coffman
> Drs. often tell us we are imagining things too. doesn't it drive youOh, yeah! I thank Gaia daily that I had a good doc when my kids symptoms
> nuts!!!
>
> Joy, Mom to
first started (and to figure mine out.)
> Bridget:cravings
> How did you pinpoint your specific allergies? I have MAJOR suger
> and processed carbo cravings. My niece was recently diagnosed withPCOS
> (poly-cystene-ovarian syndrome). They told her the underlying causewas
> insulin resistance. And that her condition is most certainly genetic.I
> seem to have many of the conditions of this syndrome.....just thinkingabout
> exploring this.for
> Susan, who has been able to establish relatively healthy disciplines
> most things, but cannot seem to control sugar/carb cravings in theleast.
I found mine by using a food diary. For a month I wrote down every
single thing that went in my mouth. I also wrote down every symptom and
when it occured. My Doctor reviewed it and picked out the correlation
between corn and my headaches immediately. I then did an elimination and
test thing. For four or five days I ate no corn at all. Then I ate pure
corn (mush if I recall) and he tested my bp, pulse, etc. for changes. Of
course, I promptly had a killer headache too.
With the kids the discoveries were more difficult. I am not disiplined
enough to put them through an elimination diet. We found Rachel's corn
allergy because he symptoms were so much like mine we decided to test
that one first with her. Jenni's milk problem (and it is beyond just
lactose intolerance) we found by accident when she was three and a half.
We ran out of milk one day and I didn't go get any for two days. Her
symptoms cleared up but I didn't make the connection until I ran out of
milk a second time!
Wyndham is the difficult one. I figured out the dye allergy in a very
novel way. He kept throwing up a lot. It was always bright yellow.
After about a dozen cases of vividly bright yellow vomit, I made the
connection. He developed dye allergies one color at a time. Wheat was
another trial and error thing. We tested milk first with him because the
symptoms were bowel related. It wasn't that so I went looking for other
allergies that tended to present with bowel symptoms first and decided to
try wheat.
I often run into people who think I am exaggerating (or making up) my
kids allergies. Then they happen to be around for a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde
and they usually are turned into true believers on the spot. With
Wyndham especially, they difference is astounding. You will see a nice
talkative but calm and intelligent little boy suddenly turn into a boy
shaped pingpong ball bouncing off the walls and acting very peculiar. I
am alway the first to know he had something but my mother is now running
a close second. We can both hear a change in the pitch of his voice that
precedes the outbursts by about 20 minutes or so. If we can get
anti-histamines in him in that window, we can keep him from going
completely over the edge. Our biggest problem right now with him is that
he seems to be allergic to a cleaner or a purfume in a cleaner. We know
Zep carpet cleaner is a big no-no, but Wal-mart doesn't have carpet and
something there sets him off too. The reaction from wheat is more subtle
and involves skin and wheezing and bowels.
I do think it is important to make certain your kids understand why they
can't have certain foods. It has taken several years but Wyndham is
finally getting the connection between how he feels and what he eats. If
I had not limited his foods though, he would never have known he could
feel good. He is allergic to so many things that he would never have
been allergen free to feel the difference. For that matter, I would
never have figured out my own allergies without a really great doctor who
took the time to really explain things to me.
Oh yes and one other allergy related baby hint - If your baby is rashhy
and no amount of lotion helps - try NO lotion. When Rachel was a newborn
baby she had a constant full body rash. I finally just gave up trying to
make it go away. I washed her with water only and soap on the ucky parts
only. I used no lotion or soap or powder anywhere on the rest of her.
The rashes magically cleared up. Just because the nice nurse sent that
cute bottle of lotion home with you, does not mean it is necessary or
even good for every kid. Wyndham was allergic to diapers with that gel
stuff too, just another thing to think about. Oh yes, and I had nasty
red sore nipples. The culprit was the nipple cream they sent home from
the hospital!
Bridget
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Bridget
--- In Unschooling-dotcom@y..., lite2yu@a... wrote:
2. I listen to Sandra. But I do not and cannot respect the position
that if we would all just do things her way, our problems would
magically go away. And as recently as this week she has said nearly
that.
3. Yes, my family deals with allergies, OCD and depression. No we
are not discordant, unhappy and frustrated.
4. Perhaps those of us who have faced these problems and learned to
deal with them within a framework of respect for individuality have
something to offer that others who have not BTDT cannot simply
because they have not faced the problems and challenges themselves.
5. No one has a monopoly on "right". I offer examples of how we do
things here. I offer what worked and what didn't and why. I do not
say that everyone has to do exactly what worked for me because it may
not work for the next person.
6. I resent being called paranoid when I object to my posts being
answered in such a way as to suggest that my family is dysfunctional.
7. We really don't want to rehash why I feel my family has been
seriously maligned here do we?
Bridget
>mouths. If
> It appears to me that both of you are putting words in the others
> you would each take the time to LISTEN to the other, you woulddiscover you
> probably are not that far apart on the issue. But instead you takea portion
> of something the other said and distort it. No one said you werenuts for
> thinking the way you do Sandra, and no one said your family waschock full of
> badness Bridget. To infer those things from the conversation isparanoid and
> looking for something to get upset about.1. I'm not upset.
2. I listen to Sandra. But I do not and cannot respect the position
that if we would all just do things her way, our problems would
magically go away. And as recently as this week she has said nearly
that.
3. Yes, my family deals with allergies, OCD and depression. No we
are not discordant, unhappy and frustrated.
4. Perhaps those of us who have faced these problems and learned to
deal with them within a framework of respect for individuality have
something to offer that others who have not BTDT cannot simply
because they have not faced the problems and challenges themselves.
5. No one has a monopoly on "right". I offer examples of how we do
things here. I offer what worked and what didn't and why. I do not
say that everyone has to do exactly what worked for me because it may
not work for the next person.
6. I resent being called paranoid when I object to my posts being
answered in such a way as to suggest that my family is dysfunctional.
7. We really don't want to rehash why I feel my family has been
seriously maligned here do we?
Bridget
Bridget E Coffman
Sandra Said:
is someone saying that "most" people who say their kids have allergies
are either delusional or using it as a control issue. I believe the
exact phrase was something about the minute number of people with deadly
allergies. Granted there aren't oodles of people out there with life
threatening allergies. There are, however, oodles more with non-life
threatening allergies. Lynda discussed the differences in medical
terminology. Whether you call it an allergy or a sensitivity there are
thousands of people out there with these problems. They are often
misdiagnosed and put on medications they don't need. They are often
convince sugar in general is the problem when it is really dyes or corn
or wheat or milk.
Not one of the people who has stated here that his/her child has
allergies has said that those experiencing no problems should limit their
children's diets. They have instead said, "if you see these kinds of
symptoms, you might want to consider looking into the allergy
connection."
I learned long ago that those who do not recognize that my children have
allergies should not be allowed in any way shape or form to influence my
decisions about food for my family. One of the biggest problems I
personally face is that it is darn near impossible to feed us all without
having something someone is allergic to in the house. And I'm not sure
just not buying it is a great way to handle it either. They need to
learn to monitor themselves and if it is never in the house they may not
learn how. I guess it is sort of like the soda pop thing someone here
was discussing. For a long time, I kept most corn products out of the
house because both Rachel and I are allergic. I found that she would
binge on it at her friend's house and then come home with a miserable
migraine-like headache. So, we decided to keep it in the house and just
remind her every time she got headaches why she had them. She learned to
control it. Obviously that does not work if you have life-threatening
allergies though!
Bridget
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
>our
> The suggestion seemed to being made here that those of us who allow
> children freedom to choose whatever foods they want would risk theirlives
> about it. I don't think it was rhetorically valid as an argument.This is not how I saw the conversation at all. What I saw and still see
>
is someone saying that "most" people who say their kids have allergies
are either delusional or using it as a control issue. I believe the
exact phrase was something about the minute number of people with deadly
allergies. Granted there aren't oodles of people out there with life
threatening allergies. There are, however, oodles more with non-life
threatening allergies. Lynda discussed the differences in medical
terminology. Whether you call it an allergy or a sensitivity there are
thousands of people out there with these problems. They are often
misdiagnosed and put on medications they don't need. They are often
convince sugar in general is the problem when it is really dyes or corn
or wheat or milk.
Not one of the people who has stated here that his/her child has
allergies has said that those experiencing no problems should limit their
children's diets. They have instead said, "if you see these kinds of
symptoms, you might want to consider looking into the allergy
connection."
I learned long ago that those who do not recognize that my children have
allergies should not be allowed in any way shape or form to influence my
decisions about food for my family. One of the biggest problems I
personally face is that it is darn near impossible to feed us all without
having something someone is allergic to in the house. And I'm not sure
just not buying it is a great way to handle it either. They need to
learn to monitor themselves and if it is never in the house they may not
learn how. I guess it is sort of like the soda pop thing someone here
was discussing. For a long time, I kept most corn products out of the
house because both Rachel and I are allergic. I found that she would
binge on it at her friend's house and then come home with a miserable
migraine-like headache. So, we decided to keep it in the house and just
remind her every time she got headaches why she had them. She learned to
control it. Obviously that does not work if you have life-threatening
allergies though!
Bridget
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
Bridget E Coffman
Sorry, I should have gone back and checked the name before I wrote!
As for the issue itself, sometimes it is difficult to find the
sensitivities if there are several. I do encourage everyone to avoid dyes
and preservatives as much as they can. And the issue is complicated by
sensitivities to airborn substances like perfumes. Another thing to be
aware of, allergy testing is not always accurate (especially for
non-life-threatening allergies) and it can be off in both directions.
If Skye and her family can live with things as they are, that's great.
But if her health and behaviour become more of a problem, I would if it
were me explore the issue more.
Bridget
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:16:55 -0800 Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
writes:
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
As for the issue itself, sometimes it is difficult to find the
sensitivities if there are several. I do encourage everyone to avoid dyes
and preservatives as much as they can. And the issue is complicated by
sensitivities to airborn substances like perfumes. Another thing to be
aware of, allergy testing is not always accurate (especially for
non-life-threatening allergies) and it can be off in both directions.
If Skye and her family can live with things as they are, that's great.
But if her health and behaviour become more of a problem, I would if it
were me explore the issue more.
Bridget
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:16:55 -0800 Tia Leschke <leschke@...>
writes:
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Heather is my daughter. It's her daughter, Skye, with the
> problems. <g>
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it
goes on.
- Robert Frost
jennefer harper
Apis Mell. in the higher dose (30 C I believe) is a
good homeopath to carry which helps reduce swelling in
"Bites, Stings and Swellings". My friend carries this
for her 3 year old son who has a severe peanut
allergy. I got it for my 3 year old son who had
swelling due to mosquitoes (he also has an uncle who
had a peanut allergy).
-Jennefer
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good homeopath to carry which helps reduce swelling in
"Bites, Stings and Swellings". My friend carries this
for her 3 year old son who has a severe peanut
allergy. I got it for my 3 year old son who had
swelling due to mosquitoes (he also has an uncle who
had a peanut allergy).
-Jennefer
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