Annette Naake

Does anyone have any thoughts on Nintendo?

Our 8yo ds wants a set desperately. My husband and I think it's mindless
entertainment and not a good way to spend one's time and don't feel like
spending money on it or turning our TV over to it.

Ds does have his own computer with lots of computer games. He doesn't spend
an inordinate amount of time on that.

A while back he was begging for Gameboy, which we didn't want around either
because we thought it seemed addictive. He eventually got over wanting it.

Tonight when we told him (again) that we were not going to buy a Nintendo he
burst into tears, ran off to bed and wailed loudly in bed for half an hour.
Yesterday he played at the house of a friend who has a Nintendo, and it
seems like every time he plays with one, he obsesses about it for a week,
pesters us for one, etc. As a result we've decided we'll invite those kids
over here to play from now on instead.

It seems like all the public-schooled friends we have, have Nintendo. When I
went to pick him up from there, he and the two boys were sitting in front of
the game, totally oblivious to everything around them, eyes fixed on the
screen, mouths hanging open. It was a beautiful day outside but no interest
in playing outdoors! THe kids' mom advised me to hold off getting one,
because when you do, it's all they want to do.

I realize if something is this compelling, it must have some value, even if
I can't see what it is. I'm also wondering if this is an interest that blows
over, or if it will lead to vid-game potato kids with no inclination to do
anything else!

Annette N

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Judie C. Rall

> Believe me, it doesnt blow over.

For me, I think it does. If my son plays nonstop nintendo for a
period of time, he eventually gets tired and goes on to something
else. If there are lots of interesting things to do around the house,
he doesn't play it that often. But I don't worry about it when he
does. It is normal for us to want to do the things that we enjoy. I
wouldn't dream of not allowing him to play it if he enjoys it, just as I
wouldn't want anyone to keep me from being on the internet
because I enjoy it so much. We all have the right to our interests,
even our children. As a parent, my job is to keep him from
physical harm and provide an interesting and loving atmosphere,
we don't have to agree with all their choices. They have the right to
self-government just as we do.

Judie

Juli

We feel pretty strongly in agreement with what you've
said here. Once they have Nintendo, the rest of life
seems to stop. I don't know if that would happen for
unschooled kids, but it sure happens for the kids I
know who have it. We're lucky because our kids have
never asked for it. But if they did, we'd have them
save their own money for one if they wanted it that
badly. I think anything kids want parents to spend
money on that the parents don't want to spend money
on, well, it can be handled by telling them to save
their own money for it. Do they want it that badly?
Well, you'll find out! Juli

--- Annette Naake <naake1999@...> wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on Nintendo?
>
> Our 8yo ds wants a set desperately. My husband and I
> think it's mindless
> entertainment and not a good way to spend one's time
> and don't feel like
> spending money on it or turning our TV over to it.
>
> Ds does have his own computer with lots of computer
> games. He doesn't spend
> an inordinate amount of time on that.
>
> A while back he was begging for Gameboy, which we
> didn't want around either
> because we thought it seemed addictive. He
> eventually got over wanting it.
>
> Tonight when we told him (again) that we were not
> going to buy a Nintendo he
> burst into tears, ran off to bed and wailed loudly
> in bed for half an hour.
> Yesterday he played at the house of a friend who has
> a Nintendo, and it
> seems like every time he plays with one, he obsesses
> about it for a week,
> pesters us for one, etc. As a result we've decided
> we'll invite those kids
> over here to play from now on instead.
>
> It seems like all the public-schooled friends we
> have, have Nintendo. When I
> went to pick him up from there, he and the two boys
> were sitting in front of
> the game, totally oblivious to everything around
> them, eyes fixed on the
> screen, mouths hanging open. It was a beautiful day
> outside but no interest
> in playing outdoors! THe kids' mom advised me to
> hold off getting one,
> because when you do, it's all they want to do.
>
> I realize if something is this compelling, it must
> have some value, even if
> I can't see what it is. I'm also wondering if this
> is an interest that blows
> over, or if it will lead to vid-game potato kids
> with no inclination to do
> anything else!
>
> Annette N
>
>
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Our 9 yo is giving us the same with regards to a gameboy. Is gameboy as bad as what nintendo sounds? Maybe someone can give us both some feedback.

ambersand
(aka Kandi but there is a Candy and Kandy on this and another list so I'll use my e-mail name to keep things easier)

Lynda

We have Nintendo, Gameboy, Atari, and a couple of others. They obsessed for
a few weeks and now they are all gathering dust except the Gameboy which is
great for pulling out when you travel. Brings the "are we there yet"
questions down to a liveable minimum.

Kidlet #5 started playing them when he was about 5, became the neighborhood
whiz kid at them (beat all the high school kids) but he never obsessed over
it. I think because he knew he only had so much time because he knew the
television wasn't just for him and the game. And because we never told him
he couldn't play the games just that he couldn't hog the television.

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette Naake" <naake1999@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] nintendo


>
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on Nintendo?
>
> Our 8yo ds wants a set desperately. My husband and I think it's mindless
> entertainment and not a good way to spend one's time and don't feel like
> spending money on it or turning our TV over to it.
>
> Ds does have his own computer with lots of computer games. He doesn't
spend
> an inordinate amount of time on that.
>
> A while back he was begging for Gameboy, which we didn't want around
either
> because we thought it seemed addictive. He eventually got over wanting it.
>
> Tonight when we told him (again) that we were not going to buy a Nintendo
he
> burst into tears, ran off to bed and wailed loudly in bed for half an
hour.
> Yesterday he played at the house of a friend who has a Nintendo, and it
> seems like every time he plays with one, he obsesses about it for a week,
> pesters us for one, etc. As a result we've decided we'll invite those kids
> over here to play from now on instead.
>
> It seems like all the public-schooled friends we have, have Nintendo. When
I
> went to pick him up from there, he and the two boys were sitting in front
of
> the game, totally oblivious to everything around them, eyes fixed on the
> screen, mouths hanging open. It was a beautiful day outside but no
interest
> in playing outdoors! THe kids' mom advised me to hold off getting one,
> because when you do, it's all they want to do.
>
> I realize if something is this compelling, it must have some value, even
if
> I can't see what it is. I'm also wondering if this is an interest that
blows
> over, or if it will lead to vid-game potato kids with no inclination to do
> anything else!
>
> Annette N
>
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Tammy Graves

I'll tell you a quick story...
I had a neighbor who was a grade school teacher. Her son at the time was 5. My
husband and I at the time had no kids yet but we did have nintendo (all of them;
the original, super, 64 & now a gameboy). My husband and I grew up with video
games and spent lots of our time together playing with it (it was definitely
cheaper than going to the movies). Anyway, we would on occasion, babysit for our
neighbors and during this time he had found out that we had nintendo. His mother
refused to buy him one, afraid he would spend every waking hour playing this
instead of playing outside with his friends. But she thought that it was ok for
him to play with it when he was over at our house. To make a long story short
(too late), what she did notice is that his hand-eye coordination improved
greatly. He did not become obsessed and could put the game down whenever he was
asked to without complaint. The games that we had were not the extremely violent
ones either, they were the Mario bros, racing, Zelda, pong, etc. No one getting
their heads blown off or blood flying everywhere. Those type of games are still
not purchased in my house. She did end up buying a used nintendo for him and
rented games from our library.

My dd just received a gameboy this last Christmas from Santa. She has never
played with one in the past so never even really knew what one is. She has a
total of 3 games for this. We mainly thought it would be helpful when we take
our journeys in the car that were going to be over 30 min. It helps the time go
by. She is not possessed by this and in fact, hasn't recently even played with
it.

If you are really concerned about nintendo and its effects, rent one first or
borrow one from a friend. Set up certain times that the system can be used and
see how your family reacts to it. Some kids, I would imagine do get a little
crazed when they first get one, but my two dds get more excited if I make
brownies!

Oh, and on a final note; there is a website that you can go to that actually
has the exact nintendo games that you can play on line now. I do not have it
here with me but I could research it later if you are interested.

Patti

It really depends on the kid(s). My neighbors boy does nothing but sit in
front of it after school, while my son maybe plays an hour a day at
most. I think they can be useful, but also limits should apply to how many
hours and what types of games are allowed. I've found that Playstation has
more family-friendly games than the other systems (Scrabble, Wheel of
Fortune, Jeopardy, etc.) as well as more kid-type games. I would suggest
popping by an online store to check out the games yourself as far as
ratings (ebgames.com has the ratings and what to expect, such as comic
mischief, language, etc.) and prices go. Nintendo is much more expensive
for games than Playstation and if you look on Ebay you can find good
deals. Setting limits is the whole key though :).

Patti

At 09:23 AM 4/19/01, you wrote:
>Our 9 yo is giving us the same with regards to a gameboy. Is gameboy as
>bad as what nintendo sounds? Maybe someone can give us both some feedback.
>
>ambersand
>(aka Kandi but there is a Candy and Kandy on this and another list so I'll
>use my e-mail name to keep things easier)


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My kids have a playstation 1, but never turn it on. I don't complain about
it, they played it quite a bit at christmas time when they got it, but
after the christmas break, they haven't really played it. Too many other
things to do, I guess.

Annette in Indiana

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Check out http://www.vimm.net It has free games and emulators for
the Nintendo systems they don't sell anymore. I downloaded a bunch
of games, bought a controller that hooks up to our computer, and for
two months, ds was obsessed!!!! It almost scared me. I let it run
its course, and he rarely plays anymore, preferring the Magic School
Bus games we borrow from the library. But, every once in a while,
he'll play Nintendo.

Also, there are other sites where you can download the current system
games and emulators, but I don't think they are legal. I haven't
tried those.

Melanie in Indiana

R Meyers

My kids got a game boy for Christmas (they have to share it) and they have a Playstation 1 from their older half=brother.  My husband plays the Playstation more than the kids but I would say it really goes in spurts.  They will play every day for hours on end for a week and then they will forget about it for a month or more, so I would say its not a problem for us.  The gameboy is more of a problem, mostly because they fight over who gets to use it and then they get it taken away altogether.  Right now one of them has lost it for a month and another for 1 week.  Personally I like it for in the car mostly but I try to keep my eye on how much they are using it and their attitude afterward.  They have games like Rugrats, Powerpuff Girls, Pac Man, etc...  on Playstation my husband plays Syphon Filter which is a WWII shoot the Nazi's game which I used to make him play when the kids were asleep..........that didn't work, so now my older son (8yo) plays it and is almost as good as his dad.  I hate that I weakened on this but sometimes it just isn't worth the fight.........
Rachel
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Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: nintendo

Check out http://www.vimm.net  It has free games and emulators for
the Nintendo systems they don't sell anymore.  I downloaded a bunch
of games, bought a controller that hooks up to our computer, and for
two months, ds was obsessed!!!!  It almost scared me.  I let it run
its course, and he rarely plays anymore, preferring the Magic School
Bus games we borrow from the library.  But, every once in a while,
he'll play Nintendo.

Also, there are other sites where you can download the current system
games and emulators, but I don't think they are legal.  I haven't
tried those.

Melanie in Indiana



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My kids have Gameboys, which they are only allowed to play in the
car. The games we have are all non-violent - Super Mario Brothers,
Mickey Racing, Tarzan, Wild Thornberries, Monopoly, Super Breakout
(like the old ball/brick game), Chessmaster, Pinball, etc.

They want to get a Nintendo, but I refuse - they have enough computer
software games, most of which have an educational twist to their
entertainment, and I don't want to see them become mesmerized by the
Nintendo games, nor make that additional investment.

Robin
Orlando, FL
:-)

Vaughnde Edwards

Believe me, it doesnt blow over. I'm glad the one I had gotten second hand finally wore out and we didn't get another. Naomi is the type that vegetates in front of the television most of the mornings and then plays outside in the afternoons. Our cable goes off at the end of the month, but today I unplugged the tv and vcr because we are moving furniture out the hallway and the cord would have been in the way. So today, no television...she's gonna help mom. When we move the tv will be the very very last thing unpacked.
 
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Missoula, Montana
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From: Annette Naake <naake1999@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:43 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] nintendo



Does anyone have any thoughts on Nintendo?

Our 8yo ds wants a set desperately. My husband and I think it's mindless
entertainment and not a good way to spend one's time and don't feel like
spending money on it or turning our TV over to it.

Ds does have his own computer with lots of computer games. He doesn't spend
an inordinate amount of time on that.

A while back he was begging for Gameboy, which we didn't want around either
because we thought it seemed addictive. He eventually got over wanting it.

Tonight when we told him (again) that we were not going to buy a Nintendo he
burst into tears, ran off to bed and wailed loudly in bed for half an hour.
Yesterday he played at the house of a friend who has a Nintendo, and it
seems like every time he plays with one, he obsesses about it for a week,
pesters us for one, etc. As a result we've decided we'll invite those kids
over here to play from now on instead.

It seems like all the public-schooled friends we have, have Nintendo. When I
went to pick him up from there, he and the two boys were sitting in front of
the game, totally oblivious to everything around them, eyes fixed on the
screen, mouths hanging open. It was a beautiful day outside but no interest
in playing outdoors! THe kids' mom advised me to hold off getting one,
because when you do, it's all they want to do.

I realize if something is this compelling, it must have some value, even if
I can't see what it is. I'm also wondering if this is an interest that blows
over, or if it will lead to vid-game potato kids with no inclination to do
anything else!

Annette N

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In a message dated 4/19/01 6:44:24 AM, naake1999@... writes:

<< My husband and I think it's mindless
entertainment and not a good way to spend one's time and don't feel like
spending money on it or turning our TV over to it. >>

Go to unschooling.com where this is discussed in several folders. I hope
someone has already posted a link fo ryou.

Sandra

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In a message dated 4/19/2001 12:21:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
stampinbookworm@... writes:

<< Believe me, it doesnt blow over. >>

I know everyone's experiences are different so for what it's worth:

Our boys, 7 and 8, have unlimited Nintendo, Gameboy and computer time. This
morning Jesse read his book on chess puzzles, Owen got out one of his bird
identification books. Meredith, 14, searched the Internet for unicorn
pictures for an art class we're teaching this summer. Then the boys made
lemon/lime/orange juice and went to dig dirt to plant the seeds. They just
had mac and cheese for lunch and Owen is in front of the TV half watching Mr.
Rogers. Jesse is washing an old toy with a toothbrush. Mer is reading a
dragon book. Nintendo hasn't been on today, but I might remind them that it's
there if they come to me with the "bored" thing.

Owen has learned lots of math and reading while playing Nintendo and Gameboy
and Neopets on the computer. Some days when the weather is beautiful, the
boys are glued to Nintendo and some days when it rains they are outside in
their forts in the woods, playing Survivor. I feel like a hypocrite when I
limit something that they enjoy. (I don't mean that this doesn't work for
other parents. Like I said, we're all different. For sure there are other
parents who model structure and schedules better than I do -- let's face it,
I'm lazy.) When I'm in the middle of a favorite book, no one says, "Why don't
you put that down and go get some exercise? You've been glued to that book
all day."

Besides, I have this feeling that if Nintendo is what they desire, there must
be a good reason. I kind of trust that feeling, you know? (Have you seen kids
play this stuff and how fast their minds are clicking along? I know I can't
do it like they do.)

Anyway, add one to the "no limits on Nintendo" poll. (Also, I'm a Liberal
Democrat, with Green Party leanings. Any correlation between Nintendo limits
and political bent?)

Laura

Juli

> (Also, I'm a Liberal
> Democrat, with Green Party leanings. Any correlation
> between Nintendo limits
> and political bent?)
>
> Laura
>

Apparently not, I'm with you politically but I'd like
to stick a stake through the heart of the
Blood-sucking Nitendo Vampire. ;) Juli

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Juli

Here's what one of those attachment things looks like.
It seems like it's coming from Johanna's mail, not
unschooling.com. ?????? Juli

From: "Johanna" <SanInocencio1@...> | Block
Address | Add to Address Book
To: <yuliwomie@...>
Subject: Re: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: farm
questions
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:32:18 -0500

'Juli' wrote:
====
- I dug up lawn for my front garden in just as
- unconventional a way! I pushed the shovel into
squares
- of lawn, and the kids came behind me and yanked them
- up with their hands. Then they just shook the dirt
- loose and threw the sod clumps in the compost pile.
- But they were slow, so I had to do some of that,
too.
- The neighbors must have thought we were insane,
- crawling around in the dirt every afternoon for
days.
- I could have DUG the clumps up with the shovel, but
I
...'


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