violence in movies.....
R Meyers
I would love to ask opinions here about something.........
My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would
stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and I
thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few
violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that
type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a lot.
Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about this
one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them just
because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out on
a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have
watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know
how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids
don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask questions
sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
problem???
Rachel
My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would
stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and I
thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few
violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that
type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a lot.
Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about this
one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them just
because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out on
a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have
watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know
how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids
don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask questions
sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
problem???
Rachel
Tammy Graves
This is a hard one for me. I know that most parents would probably not agree
with me on this but tough.. My girls (ages 6 & 3) watch just about everything my
dh and I watch. In fact, the oldest can hardly wait for "The Mummy Returns" to
come out next month. Both my dh and I answer all their questions, if they have
any about any movie they watch. We explain to them how movies are made, costumes
are applied and how cartoons are not real. Neither of the two have nightmares
that attribute back to any movies so far. Both of their favorites, to date, have
been any of the Dinosaur related movies (including Jurrassic Park both 1 & 2,
Godzilla, Godzilla 2000, any of the Land Before Time series, & most recently,
Disney's Dinosaur). I try to have all my movies explained in some fashion that
it becomes a learning process. My oldest is currently focusing on weather this
week. We talk about tornadoes and the most popular states for having them, their
descruction levels, etc. The movie, Twister, is also watched then and discussed.
We have found several errors already on the movie. Hope this helps.
with me on this but tough.. My girls (ages 6 & 3) watch just about everything my
dh and I watch. In fact, the oldest can hardly wait for "The Mummy Returns" to
come out next month. Both my dh and I answer all their questions, if they have
any about any movie they watch. We explain to them how movies are made, costumes
are applied and how cartoons are not real. Neither of the two have nightmares
that attribute back to any movies so far. Both of their favorites, to date, have
been any of the Dinosaur related movies (including Jurrassic Park both 1 & 2,
Godzilla, Godzilla 2000, any of the Land Before Time series, & most recently,
Disney's Dinosaur). I try to have all my movies explained in some fashion that
it becomes a learning process. My oldest is currently focusing on weather this
week. We talk about tornadoes and the most popular states for having them, their
descruction levels, etc. The movie, Twister, is also watched then and discussed.
We have found several errors already on the movie. Hope this helps.
R Meyers
Tammy, yes it does help that I'm not
the only one.........thanks for posting that. You know my kids love to
watch those shows that show you how movies are made, the behind the scenes stuff
and I think that makes it a little less intimidating too. My kids love the
Jurassic Park movies too!!!!!!!
Rachel
Valerie Stewart
If your kids want to watch the movies and the violence/language doesn't
affect them adversely...what's the problem? Enjoy!
Valerie in Tacoma
affect them adversely...what's the problem? Enjoy!
Valerie in Tacoma
ambersand
As far as the language in the movies: I gave up trying to shield our guys from it a few years ago when they were still only watching Disney movies. Besides, my 9 yo learned the infamous "F" word from the neighbor kid and promptly taught it to his 5 yo brother. I don't even worry about the language in their movies anymore.
Violence: Same. They watched several 'children' movies that have children verbally and physically abusing each other and, at least, the implied abuse from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary violence in the cartoon movies?
My boys don't watch horror or the heavy blood and guts, then we don't watch them either. Otherwise... The evening news is more sickning.
The down side: Words get repeated and sometimes at inappropriate times. We do what any other parent would do, I guess, I tell them it doesn't sound nice coming from anyone, no matter their age. I say the same thing when I slip. But, like I said, they didn't learn everything from the movies either. Also, I wonder if some of their physical aggression towards each other may have been promoted by the shows, but I remember my brothers having knock-down punching battles back when tv was, supposedly, less violent.
I don't like tv (although I love those animal, nature, and geography shows) because it seems so passive and does not challenge thinking, but I don't think the guys are going to falter in their steps forward because of tv/movies. I think they are intelligent enough to figure it out and I'm willing to clarify things when needed (ie. the 5 yo needed some explanations with why there were dinosaurs in Jurassic Park if all the dinos were extinct).
Kandi
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I would love to ask opinions here about something.........
My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and I thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a lot. Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about this one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them just because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out on a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
problem???
Rachel
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Violence: Same. They watched several 'children' movies that have children verbally and physically abusing each other and, at least, the implied abuse from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary violence in the cartoon movies?
My boys don't watch horror or the heavy blood and guts, then we don't watch them either. Otherwise... The evening news is more sickning.
The down side: Words get repeated and sometimes at inappropriate times. We do what any other parent would do, I guess, I tell them it doesn't sound nice coming from anyone, no matter their age. I say the same thing when I slip. But, like I said, they didn't learn everything from the movies either. Also, I wonder if some of their physical aggression towards each other may have been promoted by the shows, but I remember my brothers having knock-down punching battles back when tv was, supposedly, less violent.
I don't like tv (although I love those animal, nature, and geography shows) because it seems so passive and does not challenge thinking, but I don't think the guys are going to falter in their steps forward because of tv/movies. I think they are intelligent enough to figure it out and I'm willing to clarify things when needed (ie. the 5 yo needed some explanations with why there were dinosaurs in Jurassic Park if all the dinos were extinct).
Kandi
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I would love to ask opinions here about something.........
My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and I thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a lot. Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about this one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them just because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out on a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
problem???
Rachel
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Juli
My kids are 8 and 10, and they're still scared of The
Wizard of Oz. They just relented and watched ET a
month ago. So we don't have the problem of wondering
if movies they want to see are too violent or sexy or
whatever. But we don't have TV, so maybe they're
limited exposure to those sorts of images keeps them
horrified by what we would be horrified by in real
life. I'm really sensitive myself. I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life, and I don't
like it on the screen. And any violence that would
scare me in real life bothers me on the screen. That's
just us, I suppose. We're sensitive in lots of ways.
So sorry, I know I haven't answered your question, but
maybe I've let you see your friends' point of view. I
mean, if their kids are sensitive, they might think
yours are, too, you know? Juli
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Wizard of Oz. They just relented and watched ET a
month ago. So we don't have the problem of wondering
if movies they want to see are too violent or sexy or
whatever. But we don't have TV, so maybe they're
limited exposure to those sorts of images keeps them
horrified by what we would be horrified by in real
life. I'm really sensitive myself. I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life, and I don't
like it on the screen. And any violence that would
scare me in real life bothers me on the screen. That's
just us, I suppose. We're sensitive in lots of ways.
So sorry, I know I haven't answered your question, but
maybe I've let you see your friends' point of view. I
mean, if their kids are sensitive, they might think
yours are, too, you know? Juli
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I have wrestled with this one myself. I am more lenient on cuss words
because I don't find them to be a big deal in movies. I always think it's
amusing that some people who freak out over cuss words have no problem with
violence in movies. This sure doesn't correspond to real life. Like yours,
my kids know the words and don't use them, other than a rare "damn it" from
my 4 yr old, which he may have picked up from us rather than a movie!
I have tended to feel the way you do about violent movies if I felt that
they had a lot of value...for example, I let Justin, my oldest (almost 17),
see Cry Freedom when he was about 7 (a very mature 7) and it didn't seem to
have any ill effects. However, in recent years, I have thought that maybe
our kids are exposed to too much violence in movies, even the ones with a
good message, and especially the ones where violence ends up to be the only
solution to the problem in the movie. I don't let my younger two see too
much violence.
In the movies where the violence isn't being glamorized but is shown to
be bad, I still want the child to be old enough to understand all that. And
even then, I wonder whether we are all rather desensitized to violence from
seeing so much of it in our movies/tv shows.
I have been on both sides of your situation...the one who thinks some
people would judge me harshly for letting my kids see certain movies and the
one saying my kids can't see a certain movie and having the other parents
think I'm weird for it.
Lucy
because I don't find them to be a big deal in movies. I always think it's
amusing that some people who freak out over cuss words have no problem with
violence in movies. This sure doesn't correspond to real life. Like yours,
my kids know the words and don't use them, other than a rare "damn it" from
my 4 yr old, which he may have picked up from us rather than a movie!
I have tended to feel the way you do about violent movies if I felt that
they had a lot of value...for example, I let Justin, my oldest (almost 17),
see Cry Freedom when he was about 7 (a very mature 7) and it didn't seem to
have any ill effects. However, in recent years, I have thought that maybe
our kids are exposed to too much violence in movies, even the ones with a
good message, and especially the ones where violence ends up to be the only
solution to the problem in the movie. I don't let my younger two see too
much violence.
In the movies where the violence isn't being glamorized but is shown to
be bad, I still want the child to be old enough to understand all that. And
even then, I wonder whether we are all rather desensitized to violence from
seeing so much of it in our movies/tv shows.
I have been on both sides of your situation...the one who thinks some
people would judge me harshly for letting my kids see certain movies and the
one saying my kids can't see a certain movie and having the other parents
think I'm weird for it.
Lucy
Johanna
I think many people control what their kids watch because they think the
children can't handle the info. I am not hard on swears per se, unless I am
hearing them being repeated. Violence varies by subject matter. If it is
violence for violences sake, they don't watch it, but if it really is
important to the story, we make allowances. I think a blanket statement
doesn't allow for common sense of deep thought. We try to teach our children
to question and think things out.
Johanna
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children can't handle the info. I am not hard on swears per se, unless I am
hearing them being repeated. Violence varies by subject matter. If it is
violence for violences sake, they don't watch it, but if it really is
important to the story, we make allowances. I think a blanket statement
doesn't allow for common sense of deep thought. We try to teach our children
to question and think things out.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
----- Original Message -----
From: R Meyers <livinglighthouse@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
> I would love to ask opinions here about something.........
>
> My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would
> stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and
I
> thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few
> violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that
> type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a
lot.
> Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about
this
> one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them
just
> because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out
on
> a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have
> watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know
> how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids
> don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask
questions
> sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
> problem???
> Rachel
>
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R Meyers
Kandi..........good point about the
evening news. I let my children watch Gladiator before I would the
news! I also think that kids learn a lot of these things through life in
general, not necessarily movies. I know certain groups maintain that media
is evil and is the reason our children are so violent but I beg to
differ.........I think it has more to do with parents who have no interest
in their kids, seems most of these kids lash out after divorce or after feeling
like their parents don't care enough about them to pay attention to what they
are doing......to me that has a MUCH bigger impact then some show on TV, its
just that telling parents they are doing a crappy job isn't as big a news story
as a kid watches the "Matrix" then goes out and shoots someone. We can't
be pissing off our local viewers by telling them they are bad parents, now can
we???????? :) Of course that is another can of worms I've
opened...........I'll be interested to see the responses to this
one.
Rachel
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In a message dated 4/18/01 10:38:41 AM, ambersand@... writes:
<< So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc...
I just would like to know how other people.........especially
unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't
dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but
then they move on. >>
Same here.
My worst confession is probably this: My kids all knew Rocky Horror Picture
Show at a young age, before any of the "interpersonal relationship" were of
ANY interest to them (they were too little to like kissing or to notice
romance). They just liked the music. It was like a stupid cartoon to them,
but with good rock'n'roll.
Last month we rented Tank Girl. Not a light piece of art. And we were going
to save it until we didn't have company, because Holly had a younger girl
over. Holly had never seen it, but several times in her life other people
have said "You're like Tank Girl!" (as a compliment) and so she had asked if
we could get it so she could see. I warned her it was kinda gross, and she
might not WANT to "be Tank Girl." Well... one of the boys slipped it in
the VCR. I was coming calmly toward the situation to subtly get it out or
turned down since there was a seven year old girl in the room (Holly's nine).
The dad of the seven year old was there. She lives with her mom most of the
time.
Miss Seven said "OH! Tank Girl! I have that movie at home!"
Oh...
My boys (not Holly) have seen all the Mad Max movies. I am still constrained
by the advice of my husband and friends against seeing the first one. I've
seen the next two of them, but still people say "You don't want to see Road
Warrior," and because they know me and love me I say "Okay then."
Holly says the most violent movie she's ever seen is probably Fight Club.
Sandra
<< So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc...
I just would like to know how other people.........especially
unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't
dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but
then they move on. >>
Same here.
My worst confession is probably this: My kids all knew Rocky Horror Picture
Show at a young age, before any of the "interpersonal relationship" were of
ANY interest to them (they were too little to like kissing or to notice
romance). They just liked the music. It was like a stupid cartoon to them,
but with good rock'n'roll.
Last month we rented Tank Girl. Not a light piece of art. And we were going
to save it until we didn't have company, because Holly had a younger girl
over. Holly had never seen it, but several times in her life other people
have said "You're like Tank Girl!" (as a compliment) and so she had asked if
we could get it so she could see. I warned her it was kinda gross, and she
might not WANT to "be Tank Girl." Well... one of the boys slipped it in
the VCR. I was coming calmly toward the situation to subtly get it out or
turned down since there was a seven year old girl in the room (Holly's nine).
The dad of the seven year old was there. She lives with her mom most of the
time.
Miss Seven said "OH! Tank Girl! I have that movie at home!"
Oh...
My boys (not Holly) have seen all the Mad Max movies. I am still constrained
by the advice of my husband and friends against seeing the first one. I've
seen the next two of them, but still people say "You don't want to see Road
Warrior," and because they know me and love me I say "Okay then."
Holly says the most violent movie she's ever seen is probably Fight Club.
Sandra
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<<My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends
would
stroke out over if they knew. >>
I think it depends on the child and how they react. I had to be careful
with my daughter due to nightmares and my son struggles with aggression
so viewing violence is NOT a good idea. He may be able to handle it fine
when he's older though.
My daughter, at age 6, saw Gremlins and STILL doesn't like to think about
it. LOL I thought it would just be funny for her, boy was I wrong. Now
we discuss the plot and images before hand and I let her decide. Her two
biggies are glowing eyes and sinister laughs.
I grew up on all those westerns (Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel,
Wagon Train, The Big Valley) with all of the fist fights and shooting. I
never hit, got in fights and never even THOUGHT of using a gun even
though they were all around me (uncle and grandfather were gunsmiths).
On the other hand, ghost and monster movies threw me into a tail spin.
Kris
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stroke out over if they knew. >>
I think it depends on the child and how they react. I had to be careful
with my daughter due to nightmares and my son struggles with aggression
so viewing violence is NOT a good idea. He may be able to handle it fine
when he's older though.
My daughter, at age 6, saw Gremlins and STILL doesn't like to think about
it. LOL I thought it would just be funny for her, boy was I wrong. Now
we discuss the plot and images before hand and I let her decide. Her two
biggies are glowing eyes and sinister laughs.
I grew up on all those westerns (Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel,
Wagon Train, The Big Valley) with all of the fist fights and shooting. I
never hit, got in fights and never even THOUGHT of using a gun even
though they were all around me (uncle and grandfather were gunsmiths).
On the other hand, ghost and monster movies threw me into a tail spin.
Kris
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In a message dated 4/18/01 11:34:51 AM, livinglighthouse@... writes:
<< I let my children watch Gladiator before I would the news! >>
They can watch the news if they want to, but I sure wouldn't go out and rent
a copy!! <G>
I myself do not watch the news. It's depressing and yucky.
Sandra
<< I let my children watch Gladiator before I would the news! >>
They can watch the news if they want to, but I sure wouldn't go out and rent
a copy!! <G>
I myself do not watch the news. It's depressing and yucky.
Sandra
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In a message dated 4/18/01 10:50:11 AM, yuliwomie@... writes:
<< I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life >>
That hasn't come up often in my life. You must have had a more exciting life
than most do, Juli! <g>
Sandra
<< I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life >>
That hasn't come up often in my life. You must have had a more exciting life
than most do, Juli! <g>
Sandra
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<<Violence: Same. They watched several 'children' movies that have
children verbally and physically abusing each other and, at least, the
implied abuse from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary violence
in the cartoon movies? >>
Excellent point. Some folks seem to think that if it has "Disney" on the
cover it's okay. I don't put most Disney stuff on for my little guy. A
LOT of animated stuff has violence, dark messages and people calling one
another rude names. I don't like any of it.
When he is old enough to check out his own movies at the library I figure
he will be old enough to gauge and control his own responses to the
content. For now I get what he and I BOTH like.
Kris
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children verbally and physically abusing each other and, at least, the
implied abuse from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary violence
in the cartoon movies? >>
Excellent point. Some folks seem to think that if it has "Disney" on the
cover it's okay. I don't put most Disney stuff on for my little guy. A
LOT of animated stuff has violence, dark messages and people calling one
another rude names. I don't like any of it.
When he is old enough to check out his own movies at the library I figure
he will be old enough to gauge and control his own responses to the
content. For now I get what he and I BOTH like.
Kris
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<<But we don't have TV, so maybe they're
limited exposure to those sorts of images keeps them
horrified by what we would be horrified by in real
life. I'm really sensitive myself. I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life, and I don't
like it on the screen. And any violence that would
scare me in real life bothers me on the screen. That's
just us, I suppose. We're sensitive in lots of ways.>>
I think you're right about it being how you are. I was never bothered by
the fist fights I saw on TV as a child but the one time I saw two adults
fight in real life I was stupefied. We were at a miner's picnic where
the beer flowed freely, two men went to blows and my mom had to actually
pick me up to carry me back to our table. I was frozen in place, I
couldn't believe people would actually do that. I MUST have separated
what I saw on the TV from real life, when it came to violence at least.
The line was much more blurred when it came to ghosts and monsters.
As for the sex, I'm not particularly bothered by them but I often fast
forward through them because I begin to feel like a voyeur.
Kris
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limited exposure to those sorts of images keeps them
horrified by what we would be horrified by in real
life. I'm really sensitive myself. I don't like to
watch strangers have sex in real life, and I don't
like it on the screen. And any violence that would
scare me in real life bothers me on the screen. That's
just us, I suppose. We're sensitive in lots of ways.>>
I think you're right about it being how you are. I was never bothered by
the fist fights I saw on TV as a child but the one time I saw two adults
fight in real life I was stupefied. We were at a miner's picnic where
the beer flowed freely, two men went to blows and my mom had to actually
pick me up to carry me back to our table. I was frozen in place, I
couldn't believe people would actually do that. I MUST have separated
what I saw on the TV from real life, when it came to violence at least.
The line was much more blurred when it came to ghosts and monsters.
As for the sex, I'm not particularly bothered by them but I often fast
forward through them because I begin to feel like a voyeur.
Kris
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We don't rent movies that have violence in them simply to sell movies or sex
simply to sell movies or "f" this, "f" that and "f" the other thing simply
to sell movies.
If the plot would fall apart without the violence (I mean, really how would
you do a movie on that period in Roman history without the violence in
Gladiator, have them all sit around sipping tea and discussing what they are
going to do next?) then I don't have a problem with it.
We've gotten a couple accidentally and the kidlets, hubby and I have all
agreed about them. We get into them 15 to 20 minutes and someone will get
up and leave or suggest that we forget and see what is on television. We
all find it boring if it is just thrown. I forget what we were watching a
couple of weeks ago but youngest kidlet (8 yo) give a big sigh and said
"This one needs to go in the remind and return pile." She then got up and
went into the other room to watch the Discovery channel.
Lynda
simply to sell movies or "f" this, "f" that and "f" the other thing simply
to sell movies.
If the plot would fall apart without the violence (I mean, really how would
you do a movie on that period in Roman history without the violence in
Gladiator, have them all sit around sipping tea and discussing what they are
going to do next?) then I don't have a problem with it.
We've gotten a couple accidentally and the kidlets, hubby and I have all
agreed about them. We get into them 15 to 20 minutes and someone will get
up and leave or suggest that we forget and see what is on television. We
all find it boring if it is just thrown. I forget what we were watching a
couple of weeks ago but youngest kidlet (8 yo) give a big sigh and said
"This one needs to go in the remind and return pile." She then got up and
went into the other room to watch the Discovery channel.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Meyers" <livinglighthouse@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:51 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
> I would love to ask opinions here about something.........
>
> My kids are 8 and 6 and I let them watch movies some of my friends would
> stroke out over if they knew. The other night they watched Gladiator and
I
> thought that the historical info. they soaked in was well worth the few
> violent scenes. Now I have more of a problem with shoot em ups and that
> type of violence but when it comes to war movies and such I overlook a
lot.
> Also language doesn't bother me either, my mother drives me nuts about
this
> one, because my kids know what bad words are.....they don't repeat them
just
> because they heard them in a movie.......and I think they would miss out
on
> a lot of good movies just because of that. So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have
> watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc... I just would like to know
> how other people.........especially unschoolers......handle this. My kids
> don't have nightmares, they don't dwell on the violence, they ask
questions
> sometimes and we discuss it but then they move on. So what is the
> problem???
> Rachel
>
>
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> I myself do not watch the news. It's depressing andMe, neither. Sometimes I even turn off NPR.
> yucky.
> Sandra
My kids are sitting right here and they say the most
violent movie they've seen is Star Wars. Juli
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Whoa! It sure looks that way, doesn't it! I guess I
meant to say I WOULDN'T like to watch strangers have
sex! I've never actually had the opportunity come up.
:) Juli
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meant to say I WOULDN'T like to watch strangers have
sex! I've never actually had the opportunity come up.
:) Juli
--- SandraDodd@... wrote:
>=====
> In a message dated 4/18/01 10:50:11 AM,
> yuliwomie@... writes:
>
> << I don't like to
> watch strangers have sex in real life >>
>
> That hasn't come up often in my life. You must have
> had a more exciting life
> than most do, Juli! <g>
>
> Sandra
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I too have always let my kids watch the same movies as we do. 4 kids
are now adults. None are fighters -mobsters - or have maimed or
killed any body!
My 12yr old dd prefers to watch Grease or dirty dancing to Pulp
fiction. Infact she has watched Grease so many times she knows the
dialoge better than the actors.
I am the one who hides behind the cushion during a thriller, asking
dd "whats happening now?"!
The Sixth Sence i think is the movie that most affected her - she
slept in our room for several nights.......The most violent film dd
has ever watched is *Once were Warriors* a New Zealnd film. My dd
watches this over and over again. This movie represents the way my
dh was brought up..................
Marianne
are now adults. None are fighters -mobsters - or have maimed or
killed any body!
My 12yr old dd prefers to watch Grease or dirty dancing to Pulp
fiction. Infact she has watched Grease so many times she knows the
dialoge better than the actors.
I am the one who hides behind the cushion during a thriller, asking
dd "whats happening now?"!
The Sixth Sence i think is the movie that most affected her - she
slept in our room for several nights.......The most violent film dd
has ever watched is *Once were Warriors* a New Zealnd film. My dd
watches this over and over again. This movie represents the way my
dh was brought up..................
Marianne
dawn
my kids watchmuch more violent stuff than many of their friends and we all
can (and do at times) swear like drunken sailors. But the other day when
my 5 and 8 yo sons saw a neighbor spank her 2 yo daughter, they both said
that the violence turned their stomachs and my 8 yo said he nearly puked
right there on the sidewalk. He said, "But mom, all she did was run into
the parking lot....that's what 2 year olds *do* they run....she shouldn't
have been spanked...it was gross and dehumanizing....and i sitll feel sick
thinking about it....I'm going to go watch X-Men" so, no I don't think
they are harmed or desensitized by the violence they see on tv.
dawn h-s
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can (and do at times) swear like drunken sailors. But the other day when
my 5 and 8 yo sons saw a neighbor spank her 2 yo daughter, they both said
that the violence turned their stomachs and my 8 yo said he nearly puked
right there on the sidewalk. He said, "But mom, all she did was run into
the parking lot....that's what 2 year olds *do* they run....she shouldn't
have been spanked...it was gross and dehumanizing....and i sitll feel sick
thinking about it....I'm going to go watch X-Men" so, no I don't think
they are harmed or desensitized by the violence they see on tv.
dawn h-s
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In a message dated 4/18/01 4:59:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dawn@...
writes:
WOW!! You son sounds like a very responsible and insightful young man! Good
job! :-)
His reaction sounds like how my sons view things. Recently they witnessed
the father of a friend (12) chase him around the yard screaming that he was
going to kill him, while waving a belt (btw....I had a case worker from
social services here on Monday, because there was an incident of sexual
misconduct from a boy on our street and she ended up here as part of her
investigation, since the younger 2 boys played with this boy and she was here
a month ago and came back to give the 4 boys some materials on sexual abuse
and to talk about it with them and while she was here I told her about the
incident, made a formal complaint. I have a "relationship" with social
services because of the above incident as well as because a neighbor called
on me because the boys don't go to school and I cooperated with the case
worker while she was here, the case was marked unfounded) and my boys could
not believe that any parent would treat their child like that for being 10
min. late. It upset them greatly.
Also..we watch movies as a family which many wouldn't consider "family
movies" and my dh and both swear, quite a bit. The boys probably swear around
their friends but never have around us.
Tracy
Wife to Gary since 10/22/85
Unschooling Mom to 4 sweet boys:
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Andru ~ born 1/8/88,
Wylliam ~ born 8/17/90,
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writes:
my kids watchmuch more violent stuff than many of their friends and we all
can (and do at times) swear like drunken sailors. But the other day when
my 5 and 8 yo sons saw a neighbor spank her 2 yo daughter, they both said
that the violence turned their stomachs and my 8 yo said he nearly puked
right there on the sidewalk. He said, "But mom, all she did was run into
the parking lot....that's what 2 year olds *do* they run....she shouldn't
have been spanked...it was gross and dehumanizing....and i sitll feel sick
thinking about it....I'm going to go watch X-Men" so, no I don't think
they are harmed or desensitized by the violence they see on tv.
WOW!! You son sounds like a very responsible and insightful young man! Good
job! :-)
His reaction sounds like how my sons view things. Recently they witnessed
the father of a friend (12) chase him around the yard screaming that he was
going to kill him, while waving a belt (btw....I had a case worker from
social services here on Monday, because there was an incident of sexual
misconduct from a boy on our street and she ended up here as part of her
investigation, since the younger 2 boys played with this boy and she was here
a month ago and came back to give the 4 boys some materials on sexual abuse
and to talk about it with them and while she was here I told her about the
incident, made a formal complaint. I have a "relationship" with social
services because of the above incident as well as because a neighbor called
on me because the boys don't go to school and I cooperated with the case
worker while she was here, the case was marked unfounded) and my boys could
not believe that any parent would treat their child like that for being 10
min. late. It upset them greatly.
Also..we watch movies as a family which many wouldn't consider "family
movies" and my dh and both swear, quite a bit. The boys probably swear around
their friends but never have around us.
Tracy
Wife to Gary since 10/22/85
Unschooling Mom to 4 sweet boys:
Crisstoffer ~ born 8/29/86,
Andru ~ born 1/8/88,
Wylliam ~ born 8/17/90,
&
Danyel ~ born 12/12/91
My Homepage
Our Family Photo Album Index
Juli
I feel sick when I see kids hit, too. This woman in
the grocery store one day, she yanked her kid by the
braid so hard I think that kid'll have permanent neck
problems if she keeps it up.
But, all this talk of violence in movies leads to ask
what you all think of guns in the house? We don't have
guns, but my ex-husband, my kids' dad, is a cop. They
do NOT play with toy guns because they need to KNOW
guns are not toys, since he has to have a gun for his
job. And they aren't allowed to play at houses with
guns. Except their own dad's house. But being a cop,
he's seen plenty of kids killed in accidental
shootings, so he keeps that gun away from where anyone
can get at it.
I used to ask, when arranging playdates, do you have a
gun in your house? But now that they're older and
arrange their own social lives, more or less, I've
slacked off. And the other day, my daughter came home
and said that she and Kaylee had been playing Easter
Egg Hunt at Kaylee's house. It was the day before
Easter, and they hid rocks and pretended they were
eggs. So, Aubrey went to open a cedar chest to look
for eggs in there, and it was locked. Kaylee said,
"Oh, that's where my dad keeps his guns."
So here's my problem. What if it hadn't been locked?
Is it always locked? Does Kaylee know where the key
is? Does Kaylee's older (and scary) brother know where
the key is? Are the guns loaded? Are the bullets kept
locked with the guns? If not, are the bullets lying
around where kids can get them? If the bullets are
locked separately, do the kids know where THAT key is?
So I said no more playing at Kaylee's house. It's a
rare thing, anyway. Kaylee's parents are rarely home,
and she probably spends more of her waking, out of
school, hours here than she does there.
I just read a book called Evening News that got me
thinking about this. In it, a boy accidentally shoots
his sister when his friend takes out his dad's gun.
From a LOCKED drawer. The boy knew where the key was
hidden. Anyway, the book is about how the family falls
apart. It's a good book, but sad.
Juli
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the grocery store one day, she yanked her kid by the
braid so hard I think that kid'll have permanent neck
problems if she keeps it up.
But, all this talk of violence in movies leads to ask
what you all think of guns in the house? We don't have
guns, but my ex-husband, my kids' dad, is a cop. They
do NOT play with toy guns because they need to KNOW
guns are not toys, since he has to have a gun for his
job. And they aren't allowed to play at houses with
guns. Except their own dad's house. But being a cop,
he's seen plenty of kids killed in accidental
shootings, so he keeps that gun away from where anyone
can get at it.
I used to ask, when arranging playdates, do you have a
gun in your house? But now that they're older and
arrange their own social lives, more or less, I've
slacked off. And the other day, my daughter came home
and said that she and Kaylee had been playing Easter
Egg Hunt at Kaylee's house. It was the day before
Easter, and they hid rocks and pretended they were
eggs. So, Aubrey went to open a cedar chest to look
for eggs in there, and it was locked. Kaylee said,
"Oh, that's where my dad keeps his guns."
So here's my problem. What if it hadn't been locked?
Is it always locked? Does Kaylee know where the key
is? Does Kaylee's older (and scary) brother know where
the key is? Are the guns loaded? Are the bullets kept
locked with the guns? If not, are the bullets lying
around where kids can get them? If the bullets are
locked separately, do the kids know where THAT key is?
So I said no more playing at Kaylee's house. It's a
rare thing, anyway. Kaylee's parents are rarely home,
and she probably spends more of her waking, out of
school, hours here than she does there.
I just read a book called Evening News that got me
thinking about this. In it, a boy accidentally shoots
his sister when his friend takes out his dad's gun.
From a LOCKED drawer. The boy knew where the key was
hidden. Anyway, the book is about how the family falls
apart. It's a good book, but sad.
Juli
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I would say, talk to Kaylee's parents about your concerns
rather than outright say you can't play over there. Ask her dad exactly the same
things you said to us and see what their reactions are.
-----Original Message-----I feel sick when I see kids hit, too. This woman in
From: Juli <yuliwomie@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
the grocery store one day, she yanked her kid by the
braid so hard I think that kid'll have permanent neck
problems if she keeps it up.
But, all this talk of violence in movies leads to ask
what you all think of guns in the house? We don't have
guns, but my ex-husband, my kids' dad, is a cop. They
do NOT play with toy guns because they need to KNOW
guns are not toys, since he has to have a gun for his
job. And they aren't allowed to play at houses with
guns. Except their own dad's house. But being a cop,
he's seen plenty of kids killed in accidental
shootings, so he keeps that gun away from where anyone
can get at it.
I used to ask, when arranging playdates, do you have a
gun in your house? But now that they're older and
arrange their own social lives, more or less, I've
slacked off. And the other day, my daughter came home
and said that she and Kaylee had been playing Easter
Egg Hunt at Kaylee's house. It was the day before
Easter, and they hid rocks and pretended they were
eggs. So, Aubrey went to open a cedar chest to look
for eggs in there, and it was locked. Kaylee said,
"Oh, that's where my dad keeps his guns."
So here's my problem. What if it hadn't been locked?
Is it always locked? Does Kaylee know where the key
is? Does Kaylee's older (and scary) brother know where
the key is? Are the guns loaded? Are the bullets kept
locked with the guns? If not, are the bullets lying
around where kids can get them? If the bullets are
locked separately, do the kids know where THAT key is?
So I said no more playing at Kaylee's house. It's a
rare thing, anyway. Kaylee's parents are rarely home,
and she probably spends more of her waking, out of
school, hours here than she does there.
I just read a book called Evening News that got me
thinking about this. In it, a boy accidentally shoots
his sister when his friend takes out his dad's gun.
>From a LOCKED drawer. The boy knew where the key was
hidden. Anyway, the book is about how the family falls
apart. It's a good book, but sad.
Juli
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Sandra,
I'm a big Mad Max fan and I have Road
Warrior on tape.....I think its a great movie personally but not at all like the
other Mad Max movies....in fact I don't think they are related. Now this
said, I'll watch anything with Harrison Ford in it :)
Rachel
----- Original Message -----From: SandraDodd@...Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:00 AMSubject: Re: Re:[Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
In a message dated 4/18/01 10:38:41 AM, ambersand@... writes:
<< So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc...
I just would like to know how other people.........especially
unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't
dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but
then they move on. >>
Same here.
My worst confession is probably this: My kids all knew Rocky Horror Picture
Show at a young age, before any of the "interpersonal relationship" were of
ANY interest to them (they were too little to like kissing or to notice
romance). They just liked the music. It was like a stupid cartoon to them,
but with good rock'n'roll.
Last month we rented Tank Girl. Not a light piece of art. And we were going
to save it until we didn't have company, because Holly had a younger girl
over. Holly had never seen it, but several times in her life other people
have said "You're like Tank Girl!" (as a compliment) and so she had asked if
we could get it so she could see. I warned her it was kinda gross, and she
might not WANT to "be Tank Girl." Well... one of the boys slipped it in
the VCR. I was coming calmly toward the situation to subtly get it out or
turned down since there was a seven year old girl in the room (Holly's nine).
The dad of the seven year old was there. She lives with her mom most of the
time.
Miss Seven said "OH! Tank Girl! I have that movie at home!"
Oh...
My boys (not Holly) have seen all the Mad Max movies. I am still constrained
by the advice of my husband and friends against seeing the first one. I've
seen the next two of them, but still people say "You don't want to see Road
Warrior," and because they know me and love me I say "Okay then."
Holly says the most violent movie she's ever seen is probably Fight Club.
Sandra
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I meant Mel Gibson not Harrison
Ford............although I like both :)
Rachel
----- Original Message -----From: SandraDodd@...Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:00 AMSubject: Re: Re:[Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
In a message dated 4/18/01 10:38:41 AM, ambersand@... writes:
<< So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc...
I just would like to know how other people.........especially
unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't
dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but
then they move on. >>
Same here.
My worst confession is probably this: My kids all knew Rocky Horror Picture
Show at a young age, before any of the "interpersonal relationship" were of
ANY interest to them (they were too little to like kissing or to notice
romance). They just liked the music. It was like a stupid cartoon to them,
but with good rock'n'roll.
Last month we rented Tank Girl. Not a light piece of art. And we were going
to save it until we didn't have company, because Holly had a younger girl
over. Holly had never seen it, but several times in her life other people
have said "You're like Tank Girl!" (as a compliment) and so she had asked if
we could get it so she could see. I warned her it was kinda gross, and she
might not WANT to "be Tank Girl." Well... one of the boys slipped it in
the VCR. I was coming calmly toward the situation to subtly get it out or
turned down since there was a seven year old girl in the room (Holly's nine).
The dad of the seven year old was there. She lives with her mom most of the
time.
Miss Seven said "OH! Tank Girl! I have that movie at home!"
Oh...
My boys (not Holly) have seen all the Mad Max movies. I am still constrained
by the advice of my husband and friends against seeing the first one. I've
seen the next two of them, but still people say "You don't want to see Road
Warrior," and because they know me and love me I say "Okay then."
Holly says the most violent movie she's ever seen is probably Fight Club.
Sandra
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But you see, that's not going to work. Kaylee's dad is
never home, leaves her alone all the time, is very
confrontational and abrasive. Half the other neighbors
are afraid of him. In fact, because of her druggie
brother and this aggressive dad, I'd just as soon not
have Aubrey play there anyway. And like I said,
really, she hardly ever even wants to go there.
Kaylee's here right now, in fact, as usual. Juli
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never home, leaves her alone all the time, is very
confrontational and abrasive. Half the other neighbors
are afraid of him. In fact, because of her druggie
brother and this aggressive dad, I'd just as soon not
have Aubrey play there anyway. And like I said,
really, she hardly ever even wants to go there.
Kaylee's here right now, in fact, as usual. Juli
--- Vaughnde Edwards <stampinbookworm@...>
wrote:
> I would say, talk to Kaylee's parents about your=====
> concerns rather than outright say you can't play
> over there. Ask her dad exactly the same things you
> said to us and see what their reactions are.
>
> Vaughnde Lee
> Missoula, Montana
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juli <yuliwomie@...>
> To: [email protected]
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] violence in
> movies.....
>
>
> I feel sick when I see kids hit, too. This woman
> in
> the grocery store one day, she yanked her kid by
> the
> braid so hard I think that kid'll have permanent
> neck
> problems if she keeps it up.
>
> But, all this talk of violence in movies leads to
> ask
> what you all think of guns in the house? We don't
> have
> guns, but my ex-husband, my kids' dad, is a cop.
> They
> do NOT play with toy guns because they need to
> KNOW
> guns are not toys, since he has to have a gun for
> his
> job. And they aren't allowed to play at houses
> with
> guns. Except their own dad's house. But being a
> cop,
> he's seen plenty of kids killed in accidental
> shootings, so he keeps that gun away from where
> anyone
> can get at it.
>
> I used to ask, when arranging playdates, do you
> have a
> gun in your house? But now that they're older and
> arrange their own social lives, more or less, I've
> slacked off. And the other day, my daughter came
> home
> and said that she and Kaylee had been playing
> Easter
> Egg Hunt at Kaylee's house. It was the day before
> Easter, and they hid rocks and pretended they were
> eggs. So, Aubrey went to open a cedar chest to
> look
> for eggs in there, and it was locked. Kaylee said,
> "Oh, that's where my dad keeps his guns."
>
> So here's my problem. What if it hadn't been
> locked?
> Is it always locked? Does Kaylee know where the
> key
> is? Does Kaylee's older (and scary) brother know
> where
> the key is? Are the guns loaded? Are the bullets
> kept
> locked with the guns? If not, are the bullets
> lying
> around where kids can get them? If the bullets are
> locked separately, do the kids know where THAT key
> is?
>
> So I said no more playing at Kaylee's house. It's
> a
> rare thing, anyway. Kaylee's parents are rarely
> home,
> and she probably spends more of her waking, out of
> school, hours here than she does there.
>
> I just read a book called Evening News that got me
> thinking about this. In it, a boy accidentally
> shoots
> his sister when his friend takes out his dad's
> gun.
> >From a LOCKED drawer. The boy knew where the key
> was
> hidden. Anyway, the book is about how the family
> falls
> apart. It's a good book, but sad.
>
> Juli
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As far as the language in the movies: I gave up trying
to shield our guys from it a few years ago when they
were still only watching Disney movies. Besides, my 9
yo learned the infamous "F" word from the neighbor kid
and promptly taught it to his 5 yo brother. I don't
even worry about the language in their movies anymore.
My kids heard me swear a few weeks ago, along with the
rest of the folk on the bus, when dd2 fell off the
seat, and got a bump on the floor... I've never had a
problem with language, and know that because they hear
it used with vehemence, 'in context' they're less
likely to say it for the sake of saying it...
Violence: Same. They watched several 'children'
movies that have children verbally and physically
abusing each other and, at least, the implied abuse
from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary
violence in the cartoon movies?
My boys don't watch horror or the heavy blood and guts,
then we don't watch them either. Otherwise... The
evening news is more sickning.
I have told my kids that something might be too
gruesome for them to watch, that's because I know one
of mine gets nightmares and really doesn't like those
bits, though she watched all the Star Wars films
recently... but it's also because i don't want to
answer a ton of questions while I'm watching something
that I'm trying to keep up with the plot with... it's
a bit dishonest, really...
The down side: Words get repeated and sometimes at
inappropriate times. We do what any other parent would
do, I guess, I tell them it doesn't sound nice coming
from anyone, no matter their age. I say the same thing
when I slip. But, like I said, they didn't learn
everything from the movies either. Also, I wonder if
some of their physical aggression towards each other
may have been promoted by the shows, but I remember my
brothers having knock-down punching battles back when
tv was, supposedly, less violent.
I've told mine that some people don't like hearing such
things, from anyone, but particularly from children, so
they don't say them in front of those people...
I don't like tv (although I love those animal, nature,
and geography shows) because it seems so passive and
does not challenge thinking, but I don't think the guys
are going to falter in their steps forward because of
tv/movies. I think they are intelligent enough to
figure it out and I'm willing to clarify things when
needed (ie. the 5 yo needed some explanations with why
there were dinosaurs in Jurassic Park if all the dinos
were extinct).
Kandi
to shield our guys from it a few years ago when they
were still only watching Disney movies. Besides, my 9
yo learned the infamous "F" word from the neighbor kid
and promptly taught it to his 5 yo brother. I don't
even worry about the language in their movies anymore.
My kids heard me swear a few weeks ago, along with the
rest of the folk on the bus, when dd2 fell off the
seat, and got a bump on the floor... I've never had a
problem with language, and know that because they hear
it used with vehemence, 'in context' they're less
likely to say it for the sake of saying it...
Violence: Same. They watched several 'children'
movies that have children verbally and physically
abusing each other and, at least, the implied abuse
from adults. And what about all the dark, dreary
violence in the cartoon movies?
My boys don't watch horror or the heavy blood and guts,
then we don't watch them either. Otherwise... The
evening news is more sickning.
I have told my kids that something might be too
gruesome for them to watch, that's because I know one
of mine gets nightmares and really doesn't like those
bits, though she watched all the Star Wars films
recently... but it's also because i don't want to
answer a ton of questions while I'm watching something
that I'm trying to keep up with the plot with... it's
a bit dishonest, really...
The down side: Words get repeated and sometimes at
inappropriate times. We do what any other parent would
do, I guess, I tell them it doesn't sound nice coming
from anyone, no matter their age. I say the same thing
when I slip. But, like I said, they didn't learn
everything from the movies either. Also, I wonder if
some of their physical aggression towards each other
may have been promoted by the shows, but I remember my
brothers having knock-down punching battles back when
tv was, supposedly, less violent.
I've told mine that some people don't like hearing such
things, from anyone, but particularly from children, so
they don't say them in front of those people...
I don't like tv (although I love those animal, nature,
and geography shows) because it seems so passive and
does not challenge thinking, but I don't think the guys
are going to falter in their steps forward because of
tv/movies. I think they are intelligent enough to
figure it out and I'm willing to clarify things when
needed (ie. the 5 yo needed some explanations with why
there were dinosaurs in Jurassic Park if all the dinos
were extinct).
Kandi
Juli
There's a Cool Sites of the Day on a webpage I look at
regularly, a photography page, and look at this! A
homeschooling site was one of their cool sites of the
day! Juli
needed to homeschool your children.
Missing Kids - The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children's Home Page.
Web Design - A colorful and fun approach to learning
HTML especially for kids (and the young at heart).<<<
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homeschooling site was one of their cool sites of the
day! Juli
>>Cool Sites of the DayHome Schooling - An index for all of the resources
needed to homeschool your children.
Missing Kids - The National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children's Home Page.
Web Design - A colorful and fun approach to learning
HTML especially for kids (and the young at heart).<<<
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> Sandra,Even with the hairicut from Hell in Presumed Innocent? LOL
> I'm a big Mad Max fan and I have Road Warrior on tape.....I think its
> a great movie personally but not at all like the other Mad Max
> movies....in fact I don't think they are related. Now this said, I'll
> watch anything with Harrison Ford in it :) Rachel
>
Tracy
Johanna
I try to be sensitve to my kids Some of the kids
will have nightmares wit horror movies, so we discuss it before they watch any.
More often than not they will find something else to do. anything with
overt sex is not allowed with the younger ones.
Johanna
Life is the ultimate learning experience!
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----- Original Message -----From: SandraDodd@...Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:00 PMSubject: Re: Re:[Unschooling-dotcom] violence in movies.....
In a message dated 4/18/01 10:38:41 AM, ambersand@... writes:
<< So yes, my 8 & 6 yo's have watched Aliens, The Patriot, The Matrix, etc...
I just would like to know how other people.........especially
unschoolers......handle this. My kids don't have nightmares, they don't
dwell on the violence, they ask questions sometimes and we discuss it but
then they move on. >>
Same here.
My worst confession is probably this: My kids all knew Rocky Horror Picture
Show at a young age, before any of the "interpersonal relationship" were of
ANY interest to them (they were too little to like kissing or to notice
romance). They just liked the music. It was like a stupid cartoon to them,
but with good rock'n'roll.
Last month we rented Tank Girl. Not a light piece of art. And we were going
to save it until we didn't have company, because Holly had a younger girl
over. Holly had never seen it, but several times in her life other people
have said "You're like Tank Girl!" (as a compliment) and so she had asked if
we could get it so she could see. I warned her it was kinda gross, and she
might not WANT to "be Tank Girl." Well... one of the boys slipped it in
the VCR. I was coming calmly toward the situation to subtly get it out or
turned down since there was a seven year old girl in the room (Holly's nine).
The dad of the seven year old was there. She lives with her mom most of the
time.
Miss Seven said "OH! Tank Girl! I have that movie at home!"
Oh...
My boys (not Holly) have seen all the Mad Max movies. I am still constrained
by the advice of my husband and friends against seeing the first one. I've
seen the next two of them, but still people say "You don't want to see Road
Warrior," and because they know me and love me I say "Okay then."
Holly says the most violent movie she's ever seen is probably Fight Club.
Sandra
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