Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
Collette Mattingly
It may not sound very Christian, but hey I'm not, I
would have to slap my SIL if she told me crap like that.-Collette
----- Original Message -----From: mommiesapp@...Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:46 PMSubject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being ChristianIn a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When I
first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian she
was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of heaven.
Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was taught
that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information for
BOTH of us!!!
Michelle in DE
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Judie C. Rall
> I guess the reason that I stuck my nose in is that much like I sometimesThe basic beliefs of Catholicism, Legalistic Christianity, and Liberal
> feel the need to defend un-schooling, I sometimes feel the need to defend
> Christianity (in this case, protestant Christianity). It often gets a bad
> rap, usually because the fringe groups or the fundamentalists have the
> loudest voices. I am a protestant christian (if you hadn't already guessed
> :), but I don't understand any more than you why someone wouldn't consider a
> catholic to be Christian. It's true, I don't agree with the many of the ways
> that Catholicism interprets the Bible, but the basic beliefs are all there
> and they're what I feel makes someone a Christian.
Christianity, are not the same. Catholicism and Legalistic
Christianity believe that Jesus was divine, that he was physically
resurrected, that he was an atonement for our sins. Liberal
Christianity does not believe Jesus was divine, not that he was
physically resurrected, and believes that, rather than Jesus being
an atonement, he came to show us a pattern of how to live, and
that living that life is what counts. Liberal Christianity is also
basically unitarian, in that they believe everyone will go to heaven,
because we are all God's children and he loves us.
I USED to be one of the fundamentalist kind, but have recently, as
a result of a lot of study, become one of the liberal kind. It just
makes so much more sense, and is a much less judgmental way
to live.
Of course, everyone is entitled to be whichever they want. It's just
that people get confused....fundamentalists don't believe either
Catholics or liberal Christians are actually Christians because of
the rigid doctrine of salvation they hold...and their basic beliefs
about God and Jesus.
However, Jesus never talked about or espoused most of the beliefs
of the fundamentalist church.....Paul came up with most of those.
Judie
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<<
This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When I
first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian she
was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of heaven.
Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was taught
that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information for
BOTH of us!!!
Michelle in DE
[email protected] writes:
<<
This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When I
first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian she
was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of heaven.
Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was taught
that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information for
BOTH of us!!!
Michelle in DE
Judie C. Rall
> Dear Sandra,Carrie,
> It must be fate that this question was posed on this list. I was
> raised Catholic and have recently been doing a lot of "soul searching"
> and researching to try and understand what exactly is the difference
> between the different Protestant religions. I think I finally have an
> understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
> Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
> between the different Protestant sects. Do you know of any sites or
> resources I could visit or read to help enlighten me? I do not mean to
> get into a heated debate on this topic. I am just extremely curious.
> If you would like to email me personally, it would be greatly
> appreciated.
Get the book "Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays
Christianity." It will explain it all for you very succinctly.
Judie
B. Van Brunt
I wasn't going to get into this, but...
There are many different types of protestants which often hold very
different beliefs, while most Catholics have very similar beliefs and adher
to the teaching of one Catholic Church. Many protestants (but NOT all) feel
that catholics are not "real" Christians because of many of the teachings of
the Church. It might also be said that many Catholics do not believe that
protestants are Christians (maybe that's not right, maybe it's that they
don't think that they will go to heaven, I'm not sure which terminology to
use) because they do not belong to the "true" religion. (As evidenced just
recently when a friend of mine married an Italian Catholic and could not be
married in his parent's church because she is not catholic.)
I guess the reason that I stuck my nose in is that much like I sometimes
feel the need to defend un-schooling, I sometimes feel the need to defend
Christianity (in this case, protestant Christianity). It often gets a bad
rap, usually because the fringe groups or the fundamentalists have the
loudest voices. I am a protestant christian (if you hadn't already guessed
:), but I don't understand any more than you why someone wouldn't consider a
catholic to be Christian. It's true, I don't agree with the many of the ways
that Catholicism interprets the Bible, but the basic beliefs are all there
and they're what I feel makes someone a Christian.
I'm sorry for the long post, I just always feel the need to remind people
that not all Christians feel the way that the vocal ones do (I often think
those ones are in the minority). Please don't lump as all together!
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There are many different types of protestants which often hold very
different beliefs, while most Catholics have very similar beliefs and adher
to the teaching of one Catholic Church. Many protestants (but NOT all) feel
that catholics are not "real" Christians because of many of the teachings of
the Church. It might also be said that many Catholics do not believe that
protestants are Christians (maybe that's not right, maybe it's that they
don't think that they will go to heaven, I'm not sure which terminology to
use) because they do not belong to the "true" religion. (As evidenced just
recently when a friend of mine married an Italian Catholic and could not be
married in his parent's church because she is not catholic.)
I guess the reason that I stuck my nose in is that much like I sometimes
feel the need to defend un-schooling, I sometimes feel the need to defend
Christianity (in this case, protestant Christianity). It often gets a bad
rap, usually because the fringe groups or the fundamentalists have the
loudest voices. I am a protestant christian (if you hadn't already guessed
:), but I don't understand any more than you why someone wouldn't consider a
catholic to be Christian. It's true, I don't agree with the many of the ways
that Catholicism interprets the Bible, but the basic beliefs are all there
and they're what I feel makes someone a Christian.
I'm sorry for the long post, I just always feel the need to remind people
that not all Christians feel the way that the vocal ones do (I often think
those ones are in the minority). Please don't lump as all together!
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Lynda
There is a segment of Christian society that has determined that only some
religions get to be under the umbrella of "Christian." That was all
explained, I think on this list about a year or so ago (but it could have
been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy, so don't anyone get
their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a "good" fundy <g>) who was
a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others aren't considered
Christians and each of the various ones are left out for a variety of
reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and paste it. It was really
quite interesting.
Lynda
religions get to be under the umbrella of "Christian." That was all
explained, I think on this list about a year or so ago (but it could have
been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy, so don't anyone get
their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a "good" fundy <g>) who was
a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others aren't considered
Christians and each of the various ones are left out for a variety of
reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and paste it. It was really
quite interesting.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <mommiesapp@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
> In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
> believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
>
> Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
> Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When
I
> first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian
she
> was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of
heaven.
> Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was
taught
> that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
> therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
>
> I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information
for
> BOTH of us!!!
>
> Michelle in DE
>
>
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<<I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information
for
BOTH of us!!!
I grew up that way (born again, Southern Baptist, baptized at the age of nine
(maybe ten; I'd have to check back) from my own request, after examination to
make sure I knew what I was talking about. Holly's that same age now and she
asks about religion almost every single day), in a Catholic town in northern
New Mexico. Most of my friends were Catholic. So I really wondered, and
asked and read.
Catholicism is considered by some protestants to be idol-worshiping and
putting a man (the Pope) in the place of God.
About this and anything else I write here, I'm not saying it's right or
smart--I'm just saying that's what the claims involve.
Because Catholics consider themselves to be Catholic from infant baptism
(before they know what they're doing) and a confirmation which is just
something your mom or your parochial school TELLS you to do, then you have n
ot yourself accepted Jesus as your personal savior. You do not have a
one-on-one personal relationship with God. You're using a priest for prayer
and confession (praying pre-written words--another BIG no-no--at someone
else's direction, rather than really communicating with God), and doing what
a priest says instead of asking God directly.
And Catholics pray to "idols" (saints, and they show respect to the statues
of saints).
Mormons, that's just plain old prejudice. Mormons accept the Godhood of
Jesus, and they're baptized at their own request when they understand and
want it (not before the age of 8, my formerly-Mormon friend Wendy says).
But there are Mormons who don't WANT to be associated m Catholicism.
Mormonism is 150 years old. Babies, in the history of Christianity, and the
protestants in the U.S. were already DEEP into their prejudices before any
Utah activity, before any Illinois activity, before any wherever-Joseph-Smith
was (New York state? Pennsylvania?) activity.
Sandra
for
BOTH of us!!!
>>It's the "born again" Christians who feel that way.
I grew up that way (born again, Southern Baptist, baptized at the age of nine
(maybe ten; I'd have to check back) from my own request, after examination to
make sure I knew what I was talking about. Holly's that same age now and she
asks about religion almost every single day), in a Catholic town in northern
New Mexico. Most of my friends were Catholic. So I really wondered, and
asked and read.
Catholicism is considered by some protestants to be idol-worshiping and
putting a man (the Pope) in the place of God.
About this and anything else I write here, I'm not saying it's right or
smart--I'm just saying that's what the claims involve.
Because Catholics consider themselves to be Catholic from infant baptism
(before they know what they're doing) and a confirmation which is just
something your mom or your parochial school TELLS you to do, then you have n
ot yourself accepted Jesus as your personal savior. You do not have a
one-on-one personal relationship with God. You're using a priest for prayer
and confession (praying pre-written words--another BIG no-no--at someone
else's direction, rather than really communicating with God), and doing what
a priest says instead of asking God directly.
And Catholics pray to "idols" (saints, and they show respect to the statues
of saints).
Mormons, that's just plain old prejudice. Mormons accept the Godhood of
Jesus, and they're baptized at their own request when they understand and
want it (not before the age of 8, my formerly-Mormon friend Wendy says).
But there are Mormons who don't WANT to be associated m Catholicism.
Mormonism is 150 years old. Babies, in the history of Christianity, and the
protestants in the U.S. were already DEEP into their prejudices before any
Utah activity, before any Illinois activity, before any wherever-Joseph-Smith
was (New York state? Pennsylvania?) activity.
Sandra
Carrie DeFrancisco
Dear Sandra,
It must be fate that this question was posed on this list. I was
raised Catholic and have recently been doing a lot of "soul searching"
and researching to try and understand what exactly is the difference
between the different Protestant religions. I think I finally have an
understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
between the different Protestant sects. Do you know of any sites or
resources I could visit or read to help enlighten me? I do not mean to
get into a heated debate on this topic. I am just extremely curious.
If you would like to email me personally, it would be greatly
appreciated.
It must be fate that this question was posed on this list. I was
raised Catholic and have recently been doing a lot of "soul searching"
and researching to try and understand what exactly is the difference
between the different Protestant religions. I think I finally have an
understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
between the different Protestant sects. Do you know of any sites or
resources I could visit or read to help enlighten me? I do not mean to
get into a heated debate on this topic. I am just extremely curious.
If you would like to email me personally, it would be greatly
appreciated.
Carrie DeFrancisco
Dear Judie,
What were some of the books you read when you were researching?
Much appreciated.
Caroline
What were some of the books you read when you were researching?
Much appreciated.
Caroline
Valerie Stewart
There are two books that explain differences in religion I can recommend:
My Friends' Beliefs by Hiley Ward
A World of Faith by Peggy Fletcher Stack
They were written with children ages 7 and up in mind, but I find them
interesting and informative also. And this way, you can learn all about it
with your kids. You can get them through Chinaberry. (www.Chinaberry.com)
Valerie in Tacoma
My Friends' Beliefs by Hiley Ward
A World of Faith by Peggy Fletcher Stack
They were written with children ages 7 and up in mind, but I find them
interesting and informative also. And this way, you can learn all about it
with your kids. You can get them through Chinaberry. (www.Chinaberry.com)
Valerie in Tacoma
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/30/01 3:09:18 PM, cdefrancisco@... writes:
<< researching to try and understand what exactly is the difference
between the different Protestant religions. >>
My recommendation would be to go on google.com and search by different
denominations by name, finding sites that talk about their beliefs.
Some differences are based on what they believe about baptism. Some on
"church year" (whether to base some of their worship calendar on traditional
seasons like lent and advent and such, or to disregard anything that's not in
the Bible, in the epistles of the early Christians). Some care about their
old church (whichever protestant sect THEY sprang out of) having been too
lenient about sin. Some came independently away from Catholicism during the
Protestant Reformation days, but did so in a different country--so the
Lutherans and Episcopalians and Anglicans are not so much different (or
weren't at one time). The Baptists and Methodists are similar in some of
ways. Church of Christ is in that range. Pentecostal Holiness and some of
the other more charismatic and "holy roller" churches are another step away
from "high church."
There are some interesting obscure little denominations. The Church of the
New Jerusalem, off from Lutherans by Emmanuel Swedenborg is fascinating.
You might look on google (or somewhere) for "comparative religion" too, or
"Protestant denominations."
Sandra
<< researching to try and understand what exactly is the difference
between the different Protestant religions. >>
My recommendation would be to go on google.com and search by different
denominations by name, finding sites that talk about their beliefs.
Some differences are based on what they believe about baptism. Some on
"church year" (whether to base some of their worship calendar on traditional
seasons like lent and advent and such, or to disregard anything that's not in
the Bible, in the epistles of the early Christians). Some care about their
old church (whichever protestant sect THEY sprang out of) having been too
lenient about sin. Some came independently away from Catholicism during the
Protestant Reformation days, but did so in a different country--so the
Lutherans and Episcopalians and Anglicans are not so much different (or
weren't at one time). The Baptists and Methodists are similar in some of
ways. Church of Christ is in that range. Pentecostal Holiness and some of
the other more charismatic and "holy roller" churches are another step away
from "high church."
There are some interesting obscure little denominations. The Church of the
New Jerusalem, off from Lutherans by Emmanuel Swedenborg is fascinating.
You might look on google (or somewhere) for "comparative religion" too, or
"Protestant denominations."
Sandra
Angela
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I
recently read one of the "Joshua" books. It had an intersting take on all the
different Christian religions. It said something along the lines that
Jesus didn't create the different religions and that just because you don't
agree with someone else who is a Christian doesn't mean that you should break
off and make your own religion. Jesus wanted us to work through our
differences and worship him as one family. I am not sure, but I think it
was written from a catholic perspective though it didn't say specifically.
People's differences shouldn't cause them to seperate, but they should focus on
their similarity, their love and belief in Jesus.
Angela
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Collette Mattingly
Jesus did not believe in organized religion,
BTW. Many believe, including myself, that he was a vegetarian. If he
can see what people do in the name of religion and of Jesus, he'd be sick.
The Bible has been edited and re-interpretted so many times by the churches in
order to keep certain people, including women, oppressed. IMO, true
Christians would take Jesus' life as an example to live by and ignore the
politics of religion. - Collette
----- Original Message -----From: AngelaSent: Friday, March 30, 2001 6:30 PMSubject: RE: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being ChristianI recently read one of the "Joshua" books. It had an intersting take on all the different Christian religions. It said something along the lines that Jesus didn't create the different religions and that just because you don't agree with someone else who is a Christian doesn't mean that you should break off and make your own religion. Jesus wanted us to work through our differences and worship him as one family. I am not sure, but I think it was written from a catholic perspective though it didn't say specifically. People's differences shouldn't cause them to seperate, but they should focus on their similarity, their love and belief in Jesus.Angela
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Here's an interesting site with a religion quiz. After you take the quiz,
they match you (your stated beliefs) against a bunch of different
religions/branches and rank them for you. There are great links for more
information about the various religions.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/selectors.asp
:-) Diane
they match you (your stated beliefs) against a bunch of different
religions/branches and rank them for you. There are great links for more
information about the various religions.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/selectors.asp
:-) Diane
> I think I finally have an
> understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
> Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
> between the different Protestant sects.
Johanna
whats a fundy?
Johanna
----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:47 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being ChristianThere is a segment of Christian society that has determined that only some
religions get to be under the umbrella of "Christian." That was all
explained, I think on this list about a year or so ago (but it could have
been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy, so don't anyone get
their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a "good" fundy <g>) who was
a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others aren't considered
Christians and each of the various ones are left out for a variety of
reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and paste it. It was really
quite interesting.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <mommiesapp@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
> In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
> believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
>
> Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
> Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When
I
> first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian
she
> was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of
heaven.
> Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was
taught
> that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
> therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
>
> I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information
for
> BOTH of us!!!
>
> Michelle in DE
>
>
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In a message dated 3/30/01 2:05:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cdefrancisco@... writes:
<< I think I finally have an
understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
between the different Protestant sects. Do you know of any sites or
resources I could visit or read to help enlighten me? >>
Whew boy! NOW your're REALLY entering a complex arena. My head still swims
with what I've read and I don't think I have been able to find any real
answers.
I would recommend some sites but none of the ones I know of are impartial.
All of them are focused on denouncing others.
Kris
cdefrancisco@... writes:
<< I think I finally have an
understanding of what is fundamentally different between Catholicism and
Protestant Christianity but I am still a bit confused on the differences
between the different Protestant sects. Do you know of any sites or
resources I could visit or read to help enlighten me? >>
Whew boy! NOW your're REALLY entering a complex arena. My head still swims
with what I've read and I don't think I have been able to find any real
answers.
I would recommend some sites but none of the ones I know of are impartial.
All of them are focused on denouncing others.
Kris
Judie C. Rall
Oh, another good book to get is called "Jesus of India." It
historical fiction, but it is based upon a factual book called "Jesus
Went To India" which cites historical evidence that Jesus traveled
outside the Holy Land. Both books are valuable.
I enjoyed the Jesus of India book because it brought to life for me
the human-ness of Jesus, and that his philosophy of life came not
only directly from God, but that he was taught the things of God
from many different spiritual people, some with differing faiths. But
He took the best from the beliefs of each person or group he
learned from, and brought them back to share with us.
This is threatening to many people who are "fundamentalist"
Christians, who believe they are "separate" from the world and
wouldn't dream that any of the teachings of Jesus were associated
in any way with a non-Christian religion. But when you read the
book, it ties it all together for you in a way that makes sense.
Much of the historical accuracy of the book is backed up by recent
discoveries in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in ancient manuscripts of
India.
Judie
historical fiction, but it is based upon a factual book called "Jesus
Went To India" which cites historical evidence that Jesus traveled
outside the Holy Land. Both books are valuable.
I enjoyed the Jesus of India book because it brought to life for me
the human-ness of Jesus, and that his philosophy of life came not
only directly from God, but that he was taught the things of God
from many different spiritual people, some with differing faiths. But
He took the best from the beliefs of each person or group he
learned from, and brought them back to share with us.
This is threatening to many people who are "fundamentalist"
Christians, who believe they are "separate" from the world and
wouldn't dream that any of the teachings of Jesus were associated
in any way with a non-Christian religion. But when you read the
book, it ties it all together for you in a way that makes sense.
Much of the historical accuracy of the book is backed up by recent
discoveries in the Dead Sea Scrolls and in ancient manuscripts of
India.
Judie
Angela
I
guess I should have changed the title of the post:
I don't think I have introduced myself; My name is
Angela. I live in Maine and unschool my two daughters ages 4 and 6.
We live on a Want-To-Be farm with two angora goats, 10 laying hens, 4 cats, a
rabbit and some fish. I have enjoyed lurking for awhile and will
contribute when I find the need. Nice to cyber meet you
all
Angela
Unschooling mother in Maine to two beautiful daughters.
"Play is our brain's favorite way to learn."
UnknownCheck out my themestream articles.
www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=152256Angela's Home Schooling Pages (1st try at a web page)
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Lynda
Fundamentalist. There are two segments,
generally speaking, the "good" fundies <g> who are folks that lead lives
which are based rather strickly on Biblical teachings and just try to be good
people based on said teachings.
Then there are the 3Rs (Religious Radical Right)
who are bound and determined to change everyone and think everyone is going to
h*ll if they don't think the same. These same folks believe the U.S. and
then the rest of the world should become a theocracy (government based on
Biblical teachings and rules). They are heavy into lots of stuff from the
Old Testament and some believe that stoning should be reinstated as a form of
punishment. They also believe that folks that do not belong to the
"right/correct" religion should have no say in how the government is
run.
Lynda
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: JohannaSent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:26 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christianwhats a fundy?Johanna----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:47 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being ChristianThere is a segment of Christian society that has determined that only some
religions get to be under the umbrella of "Christian." That was all
explained, I think on this list about a year or so ago (but it could have
been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy, so don't anyone get
their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a "good" fundy <g>) who was
a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others aren't considered
Christians and each of the various ones are left out for a variety of
reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and paste it. It was really
quite interesting.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <mommiesapp@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
> In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
> believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
>
> Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
> Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When
I
> first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian
she
> was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of
heaven.
> Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was
taught
> that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
> therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
>
> I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information
for
> BOTH of us!!!
>
> Michelle in DE
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I
agree with you whole heartedly Collete.
Angela
Unschooling
mother in Maine to two beautiful daughters.
"Play is our brain's favorite way to
learn."
Unknown
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Jesus did not believe in organized religion, BTW. Many believe, including myself, that he was a vegetarian. If he can see what people do in the name of religion and of Jesus, he'd be sick. The Bible has been edited and re-interpretted so many times by the churches in order to keep certain people, including women, oppressed. IMO, true Christians would take Jesus' life as an example to live by and ignore the politics of religion. - Collette
[email protected]
In a message dated 3/30/2001 11:42:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cen46624@... writes:
<< Here's an interesting site with a religion quiz. After you take the quiz,
they match you (your stated beliefs) against a bunch of different
religions/branches and rank them for you. There are great links for more
information about the various religions.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/selectors.asp
:-) Diane
was surprised to rate overwhelmingly New Age and Hindu, with only 42% liberal
Quaker (my chosen "religious box").
Laura
cen46624@... writes:
<< Here's an interesting site with a religion quiz. After you take the quiz,
they match you (your stated beliefs) against a bunch of different
religions/branches and rank them for you. There are great links for more
information about the various religions.
http://www.speakout.com/activism/selectors.asp
:-) Diane
>>That was funny, Diane. Kind of like playing the dating game with religion. I
was surprised to rate overwhelmingly New Age and Hindu, with only 42% liberal
Quaker (my chosen "religious box").
Laura
Bobbie
well, for my two cents, If you are following Jesus and
his example and his teachings, then you are a
christian. I think the word "christian" is used to
engulf alot of different things, cuz some people
assume they are a christian cuz there is only
"christian" (those who worship god and are "good"
people) and "non-christian" (everyone else who either
has "different" beliefs or is undecided or worships
satan)...and they definitely know they don't want to
be included in the "bad" group, so they say "yeah, I'm
a christian."But going to church doesn't make you a
christian, no matter what KIND of church it is. That's
just my humble opinion and I think that we all have to
answer to God on and induvidual and very personal
basis when it comes down to it, so as long as you are
attempting to live your life in a way that will please
him and as long as you are really doing what you
BElIEVE ..and that applies to pagan, agnostic,
catholic, buddhist, taoist, etc, etc, etc...cuz that
is your BELIEF system, and as long as you really
believe it in your heart and not for a superficial
reason and you really know what you believe and try to
keep growing and learning and not judge others (cuz
that's not our place, as humans, in my opinion) than
it's on you. So what if someone else doesn't agree,
then that's on them. Between them and God. ...(or
whatever you would like to put there). That's all, I
must stop myself compulsive rambling.
AND I would also like to say that this list has proven
so very open-minded and kind and civil with the
discussion of things like this, lately. I love it. I
just adore this list and all we can gain from it.
Thanks everyone for sharing, and doing so in a nice
loving way.
-Bobbie
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his example and his teachings, then you are a
christian. I think the word "christian" is used to
engulf alot of different things, cuz some people
assume they are a christian cuz there is only
"christian" (those who worship god and are "good"
people) and "non-christian" (everyone else who either
has "different" beliefs or is undecided or worships
satan)...and they definitely know they don't want to
be included in the "bad" group, so they say "yeah, I'm
a christian."But going to church doesn't make you a
christian, no matter what KIND of church it is. That's
just my humble opinion and I think that we all have to
answer to God on and induvidual and very personal
basis when it comes down to it, so as long as you are
attempting to live your life in a way that will please
him and as long as you are really doing what you
BElIEVE ..and that applies to pagan, agnostic,
catholic, buddhist, taoist, etc, etc, etc...cuz that
is your BELIEF system, and as long as you really
believe it in your heart and not for a superficial
reason and you really know what you believe and try to
keep growing and learning and not judge others (cuz
that's not our place, as humans, in my opinion) than
it's on you. So what if someone else doesn't agree,
then that's on them. Between them and God. ...(or
whatever you would like to put there). That's all, I
must stop myself compulsive rambling.
AND I would also like to say that this list has proven
so very open-minded and kind and civil with the
discussion of things like this, lately. I love it. I
just adore this list and all we can gain from it.
Thanks everyone for sharing, and doing so in a nice
loving way.
-Bobbie
--- Lynda <lurine@...> wrote:
> There is a segment of Christian society that has__________________________________________________
> determined that only some
> religions get to be under the umbrella of
> "Christian." That was all
> explained, I think on this list about a year or so
> ago (but it could have
> been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy,
> so don't anyone get
> their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a
> "good" fundy <g>) who was
> a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek
> Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
> JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others
> aren't considered
> Christians and each of the various ones are left out
> for a variety of
> reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and
> paste it. It was really
> quite interesting.
>
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mommiesapp@...>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:46 AM
> Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
>
>
> > In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > <<
> > This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic
> a Christian? Don't they
> > believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
> >
> > Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member
> of the Church of the
> > Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is
> praying for my soul. When
> I
> > first heard this I didn't get it. She said since
> I was not a Christian
> she
> > was praying that I would be saved so that I could
> enter the gates of
> heaven.
> > Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself
> Christian. I was
> taught
> > that Christian means to follow Christ. That is
> how I try to lead my life,
> > therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
> >
> > I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will
> share more information
> for
> > BOTH of us!!!
> >
> > Michelle in DE
> >
> >
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very lovely, and objective. No wonder you write (as in
articles, etc) so well.
:)
-Bobbie
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:)
-Bobbie
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> About this and anything else I write here, I'm not
> saying it's right or
> smart--I'm just saying that's what the claims
> involve.
>
> Sandra
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aaaaah. wanna trade? I live in a crowded little house
in the middle of a city in the desert. Sounds good,
no?
-bobbie
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in the middle of a city in the desert. Sounds good,
no?
-bobbie
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> I don't think I have introduced myself; My name iswww.themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=152256
> Angela. I live in Maine
> and unschool my two daughters ages 4 and 6. We live
> on a Want-To-Be farm
> with two angora goats, 10 laying hens, 4 cats, a
> rabbit and some fish. I
> have enjoyed lurking for awhile and will contribute
> when I find the need.
> Nice to cyber meet you all
>
> Angela
> Unschooling mother in Maine to two beautiful
> daughters.
> "Play is our brain's favorite way to learn."
> Unknown
>
> Check out my themestream articles.
>
>www.geocities.com/autonomousangela/AngelasHomeSchoolingPages.html
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> page)
>
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>However, Jesus never talked about or espoused most of the beliefsWhat?!! That's completely untrue. Which particular beliefs are you talking
>of the fundamentalist church.....Paul came up with most of those.
>
>Judie
about?
As for Jesus's divinty here's some things He said:
"The woman said, 'I know that Messiah' (called Christ) 'is coming. When he
comes, he will explain everything to us.' Then Jesus declared, 'I who speak
to you am he.'" John 4:25-26
"So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews
persecuted him. Jesus said to them, 'My father is always hard at work on
this day, and I, too, am working.'" For this reason the Jews tried all the
harder to kill him; for not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was
even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." John
5:16-18
Here's something Nathanael said:
"Then Nathanael declared,'Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of
Israel.'" John 1:49
I found other verses that prove it(if you believe that the Bible is a
reliable source).
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-----Original Message-----
From: Johanna <saninocencio1@...>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christianwhats a fundy?Johanna----- Original Message -----From: LyndaSent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:47 PMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being ChristianThere is a segment of Christian society that has determined that only some
religions get to be under the umbrella of "Christian." That was all
explained, I think on this list about a year or so ago (but it could have
been on HEM) by a fundy (he called himself a fundy, so don't anyone get
their bloomers in a bunch, besides which, he is a "good" fundy <g>) who was
a list member. At any rate, Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox,
JWs, SDA, CS, Mormons and a whole list of others aren't considered
Christians and each of the various ones are left out for a variety of
reasons. If I can find the old post, I'll copy and paste it. It was really
quite interesting.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <mommiesapp@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 10:46 AM
Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Being Christian
> In a message dated 3/29/01 7:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> <<
> This is what I don't understand isn't a catholic a Christian? Don't they
> believe in Christ? Bonnie >>
>
> Bonnie, I don't get it either. My SIL is a member of the Church of the
> Nazarene and tells me all the time that she is praying for my soul. When
I
> first heard this I didn't get it. She said since I was not a Christian
she
> was praying that I would be saved so that I could enter the gates of
heaven.
> Well, I am a Catholic. I always considered myself Christian. I was
taught
> that Christian means to follow Christ. That is how I try to lead my life,
> therefore, I am Christian and Catholic to boot!
>
> I have other posts to read so perhaps someone will share more information
for
> BOTH of us!!!
>
> Michelle in DE
>
>
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In a message dated 3/31/01 8:20:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lurine@... writes:
<< Then there are the 3Rs (Religious Radical Right) who are bound and
determined to change everyone and think everyone is going to h*ll if they
don't think the same. These same folks believe the U.S. and then the rest of
the world should become a theocracy (government based on Biblical teachings
and rules). They are heavy into lots of stuff from the Old Testament and
some believe that stoning should be reinstated as a form of punishment. They
also believe that folks that do not belong to the "right/correct" religion
should have no say in how the government is run.
Lynda >>
Sounds like the Reformation movement, scary stuff.
Kris
lurine@... writes:
<< Then there are the 3Rs (Religious Radical Right) who are bound and
determined to change everyone and think everyone is going to h*ll if they
don't think the same. These same folks believe the U.S. and then the rest of
the world should become a theocracy (government based on Biblical teachings
and rules). They are heavy into lots of stuff from the Old Testament and
some believe that stoning should be reinstated as a form of punishment. They
also believe that folks that do not belong to the "right/correct" religion
should have no say in how the government is run.
Lynda >>
Sounds like the Reformation movement, scary stuff.
Kris
Angela
Thanks, but you didn't make the swap sound like a very good idea for
me. :0)
Actually, I love where I am and wouldn't trade it for the world. Dh
would welcome some place warmer though.
Angela
Unschooling mother in Maine to two beautiful daughters.
"Play is our brain's favorite way to learn."
Unknown
Unschooling mother in Maine to two beautiful daughters.
"Play is our brain's favorite way to learn."
Unknown
Check out my themestream articles.
www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/author/view_author_info.gsp?auth_id=152256
Angela's Home Schooling Pages
www.geocities.com/autonomousangela/AngelasHomeSchoolingPages.html
-----aaaaah. wanna trade? I live in a crowded little house
in the middle of a city in the desert. Sounds good,
no?
-bobbie