Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
April Spitzer
That is exactly what I came to the computer this morning to complain
about!!!!!!! I was so upset. I usually DO watch ER, but I probably won't
anymore. It sounded like a public service anouncement. It made parents who
chose not immunize sound STUPID STUPID STUPID
Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when they
don't immunize their children.
doctor: "rich people think only poor kids get immunized and they don't have
to, if everyone stopped immunizing small pox would come back, polio..."
mother: "But there's a link between vaccinations and autism. Doctor: There
is no link!!!!"
mother: "is my son going to be alright?" doctor: "1 in 500 children with
measles die"
and then of course there was a commercial during ER promoting some vaccine.
I think it was hepatitis. It said "1 and 10,000 people die from hep(?)"
The whole thing just infuriates. The vacc. issue has been on my mind a lot
lately because my husband wants to go to school in the evenings but he is
required to take certain vacc. first, which is ridiculous considering that
the Army has already forced him to take SO many shots, including the flu
shot, and he most certainly have to take the anthrax shot before he goes to
Kosovo.
If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
(they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever???
I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
anymore!!!! I thought this was a free country.
Ok. I'm done venting. I was a little annoyed last night and I'm still
annoyed.
April
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about!!!!!!! I was so upset. I usually DO watch ER, but I probably won't
anymore. It sounded like a public service anouncement. It made parents who
chose not immunize sound STUPID STUPID STUPID
Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when they
don't immunize their children.
doctor: "rich people think only poor kids get immunized and they don't have
to, if everyone stopped immunizing small pox would come back, polio..."
mother: "But there's a link between vaccinations and autism. Doctor: There
is no link!!!!"
mother: "is my son going to be alright?" doctor: "1 in 500 children with
measles die"
and then of course there was a commercial during ER promoting some vaccine.
I think it was hepatitis. It said "1 and 10,000 people die from hep(?)"
The whole thing just infuriates. The vacc. issue has been on my mind a lot
lately because my husband wants to go to school in the evenings but he is
required to take certain vacc. first, which is ridiculous considering that
the Army has already forced him to take SO many shots, including the flu
shot, and he most certainly have to take the anthrax shot before he goes to
Kosovo.
If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
(they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever???
I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
anymore!!!! I thought this was a free country.
Ok. I'm done venting. I was a little annoyed last night and I'm still
annoyed.
April
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> 1. Re: Digest Number 1000
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> 2. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> 3. Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> 4. Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> 5. Re: unhousekeeping
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> 6. Re: unhousekeeping
> From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> 7. RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> 8. Re. Purple hair and tatoos
> From: tonitoni@...
> 9. Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
>complete idiot!
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 10. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
>a complete idiot!
> From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> 11. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
>a complete idiot!
> From: SandraDodd@...
> 12. Re: Re: boys and mothers
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> 13. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> 14. Re: unhousekeeping
> From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:36:50 -0000
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 1000
>
>Now, for hanging up, I hang them on the clothes horse
>(or line) on the hanger already, that way they dry
>straight, take up less space and go straight on the
>rail when done! Someone take me away, I've gone
>Stepford... But I don't iron, though...
>
>Tracy
>
>ah ha! I'm not the only one! most "unhousekeepers"
>(heeh, just made that up) I know complain about piles
>of DIRTY clothes. Not me. I love washing and drying
>them. Seriously. I really really like it. I just
>really really don't like folding and putting them
>away.
>Hanging them up is worse. Ugh. I'll need much more
>than chocolate in the closet. I wish there was a
>laundry version of the tooth fairy, leaving me money
>for every garment hung or folded. ah.....le sigh....
>-Bobbie
>
>--- mommiesapp@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/13/01 5:25:47 AM Eastern
> > Standard Time,
> > [email protected] writes:
> >
> > <<chocolate. What could be better?
> > Kerry
> > quite submerged in lunacy with no complaints >>
> >
> > I always get this far....it's the putting the
> > clothes AWAY that gets me into
> > trouble. I actually thought about buying a 3rd
> > clothes basket because the
> > other two are ALAWAYS full!!! Maybe chocolate in
> > each dresser drawer!!??
> >
> > Michelle in DE
> >
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>Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:40:00 -0000
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
>Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
>
>I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
>quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
>though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
>LOL
>
>Tracy
>
> > People keep telling me that cos I have children I should dress
> > 'normally' and look 'normal' :)
> > Can't think why.
> > We'll be living in Fairfax county just outside of DC, where all the
> > senators live. Perhaps the house prices will drop when english weirdo
> > punk moves in :)
> >
> > Shyrley who is thinking of going for purple hair next..
> >
> > Bobbie wrote:
> >
> > > ah. my people. ...er...person.
> > > <g>
> > > do you find that people (public in general) tend to be
> > > even more shocked that you are a parent...(are you a
> > > parent? I was just assuming, cuz you're on the list)
> > > with your "different" appearance?
> > > I get alot of flack, shocked, offended feedback cuz I
> > > am young first of all (23), look even younger (one
> > > lady thought I was 14!!!!!), always have a different
> > > color of hair. The least accepted was an accidental
> > > pink color (I was going for bright red, but ..um...it
> > > didn't work) it is currently growing out from its very
> > > uneven short spikey state and I dress as what my
> > > family affectionately just calls "wierd" now <g>, and
> > > I am never seen without my combat boots with always
> > > changing laces in them (right now it's Rainbow Brite).
> > > People always think I'm just a really wierd babysitter
> > > when I take my kids out. :)
> > > -Bobbie
> > >
> > > --- "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> > > > I walk or cycle everywhere, have spiky red hair and
> > > > wear combat
> > > > trousers. Probably be shot on sight.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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>Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:28:13 -0600
> From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
>
>I am a VIP filer.
>I also believe there is nothing wrong with being a pack rat as long as
>you are an organized pack rat. (of course thats me.)
>Kathy in TX.
>
>
>On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:29:54 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> > Now, Robin, we need to clear one thing up here. There is no such
> > thing as
> > too many books and pictures <g>
> >
> > And I'm sure your mother uses the VIP filing system --
> > VeryImportantPiles
> > <g>
> >
> > Lynda
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DiamondAir" <diamondair@...>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:16 PM
> > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Laundry Is Fun
> >
> >
> > > > From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
> > > > Hi, I'm Bobbie, and I'm a packrat.
> > > > No, there isn't a cure. Sorry. <g>
> > >
> > > Well, there's hope. I used to be a packrat, and we have a fairly
> > junk-free
> > > house now. The only thing I still have too many of is pictures and
> > books,
> > > but everything else is under control. My hubby is a neat freak who
> > has won
> > > me over slowly but surely and weaned me off of my packrat ways. I
> > come
> > from
> > > a long line of packrats though. We just spent the weekend at my
> > mom's
> > house
> > > (ugh!) and this cracked me up: she said to my son "Don't step on
> > that pile
> > > of magazines. Do you just stand all over the magazines at your own
> > house?"
> > > In my mind I'm thinking "No mom, because we don't HAVE piles of
> > magazines
> > > all over our house", honestly, the word "childproofing" means
> > nothing to
> > > her, she has piles of stuff everywhere and I have a 16 month old -
> > ack!.
> > My
> > > grandma's house is worse. She can no longer use one of her
> > bathrooms
> > because
> > > it is full of stuff, and hasn't eaten a meal on her dining room
> > table in
> > at
> > > least 15 years, it's been buried in stuff. She just has little
> > pathways
> > > through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet
> > music, etc..
> > > We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest
> > thing
> > the
> > > last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when
> > we were
> > > all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
> > >
> > > In any case, there's hope. I listened to a talk radio show on my
> > way back
> > > from my mom's house. It had the author of "Clutter's Last Stand"
> > on as the
> > > guest. He just wrote a new book called something like "Lose 200
> > pounds
> > this
> > > weekend" (meaning 200 pounds of stuff) and he had a bunch of great
> > tips
> > for
> > > de-cluttering, if anyone's interested...
> > >
> > > Blue Skies!
> > > -Robin-
> > > Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "This is a great life!"
> > > and Asa (10/5/99) Who walks backwards
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> > >
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>Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:49:15 -0000
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
>Subject: Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
>
>I died my hair blue twice, during shcool hols. This
>supposed wash-in-wash-out stuff reacted with the perm
>in my hair and went green. The fairly strict private
>school I was at never batted an eyelid, though I could
>have said it was uniform colour...
>
>Tracy
>
>My dd has a dress style all of her own. She wears a
>crop top. Some
>times a bra with a crop top over the top. A tank top
>type t. shirt
>and then another tank top over that. If we go out she
>then puts her
>USA *yellow* (her favourite colour)jersey on. Even if
>the sun is
>really hot and blue skies and every body is sweating in
>t.shirts.
>She has her undies on with boxers over that and her
>skirt on top of
>those. knee length white socks with coloured stripes
>around the top
>(dads) and her black sneakers. Some times she wears
>her yellow polka
>dot bandana on her head and/or her yellow scarf around
>her
>neck....... She wants to put a *pink* rinse through
>her hair........
>
>I think she was swaped at birth as she has a rather
>conservative
>mother, who is trying to change......
>marianne
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:52:21 -0000
> From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
>Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
>
>Over here it would be folk who are having an LEA visit!
> LOL
>
>Tracy (who really likes the lack of posting restriction
>here...)
>
> >not doing "housecleaning" (trash,
> >vacuuming, bathrooms) for a flat fee but doing detail
> >work (windows-as in every area of the window...light
> >fixtures/fans...blinds....megadusting....ovens...
> >screens...walls....vents...tile/grout...etc etc etc)
>
>Oooooh. I need this service, because I'm getting ready
>to sell my house...
>and there are certain parts of it that I never never
>got around to cleaning
>before. (Oops.)
>
>But I'll bet you aren't in the S.F. Bay Area -- right?
>
>People who are selling houses may be a natural market
>for you. Also people
>who's mother-in-laws are due for a visit. <g>
>
>Betsy
>
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>Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:13:01 -0600
> From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
>Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
>
>
>
> >Is anyone else watching E.R.
>They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
>I am so pissed right now I can't think.
>I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
>Kathy in TX.
>unschooler & unimmunized
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>Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:54:10 -0800
> From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
>Subject: RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
>
>
> She just has little pathways
>through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet music, etc..
>We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest thing
>the
>last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when we were
>all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
>
>***Okay, this cracked me up. Die of paper cuts. This kid's a comedienne.
>
>Valerie in Tacoma
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:43:23 -0000
> From: tonitoni@...
>Subject: Re. Purple hair and tatoos
>
>I never thought of red food colouring! My dd is olive skinned with
>black hair, so not sure if it would work - but definetly alot cheaper
>than hair dye.
>
>My son from my first marriage, was born with ginger hair, he hated
>it, so when he was 14yrs old he dyed it black, didnt like it put some
>thing else on and ended up with GREEN hair!!
>
>I am the absolute oposite to a pack rat - I hate clutter and I
>throw things away that I wish I hadnt later!!!!
>
>Marianne
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:29:24 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
>complete idiot!
>
>
>In a message dated 2/15/01 8:25:17 PM, kbcauley@... writes:
>
><< >Is anyone else watching E.R.
>They make the mother out to be a complete idiot! >>
>
>I was the only one home, and I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
>watch TV, not knowing what was on. I watched NBC, a couple of very lame
>sitcoms and then E.R., which I had never ever seen before. It seemed to be
>AMA propaganda. Doctors were always right, patients were idiots.
>
>I'm hoping it wasn't typical of all their programs, but I'll try not to
>watch
>it anymore anyway.
>
>Sandra, who's usually neither sick nor alone
>
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>Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:45:08 +1300
> From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
>Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
>complete idiot!
>
>Help! Is this another cultural communication problem, or was it something
>to do
>with your illness, Sandra <g> -
>
> > I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
> > watch TV
>
>????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning for
>'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark??
>
>Carol, bewildered in New Zealand
>
>
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>Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:02:58 EST
> From: SandraDodd@...
>Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
>complete idiot!
>
>
>In a message dated 2/15/01 10:44:22 PM, mjcmbrwn@... writes:
>
><<
>????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning for
>'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark?? >>
>
>Oh. Playing with the bark from cedar. It's easy to split, and the bark
>has
>about 30 layers, sometimes that can be stripped into really thin, curly
>bits.
> It's a mindless sort of thing to do while I watch videos, but tonight I
>was
>too weak and brainless to find a video so I watched TV. And filled up a
>box
>with easy-to-start tiny kindling. I was creating excelsior, but am not
>going to pack anything in it.
>
>Also it's a good excuse to sit right at the hearth and play with the fire.
>
>I doubt Americans guessed any better than you did, Carol. Sorry. (My
>friends and relatives would have known. I give the stuff away to friends
>with fireplaces, so they have something artsy to use instead of newspaper
>to
>start fires. And I give it to them in ratty baskets I get from garage
>sales.
> When the baskets get old they're kindling too.)
>
>
>
>Sandra
>
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>Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:03:36 -0800
> From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: boys and mothers
>
>I am sooooo glad that I was raised by a family of liberated folks. I had
>my
>own hammer and saw before I was 5 and helped my dad work on motorcycles.
>Of
>course, my grandmother was the first to own a motorcycle in NY and there
>were lots of other non-traditional folks in my family <g>
>
>Eldest son (who will be 30 in November) still has some dolls (latest ones
>are from that crocodile/nature show thingy) which he collects.
>
>It was always a hoot to see the looks on the faces of folks that didn't
>know
>him when they saw his room. In the would tromp with my defensive lineman
>son to the bedroom with the case of "dolls" and other collectibles like
>Kermit and Chubacka (sp?).
>
>We never put a his and hers on anything in our family! Much more fun that
>way otherwise mom wouldn't have gotten to race at Sears Point %-}
>
>Lynda
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and mothers
>
>
> > I agree with that. That's all.
> > It really chaps my hide when someone (well meaning, of
> > course) hears me say something about something I don't
> > want my son doing or something like that and says
> > "It's just a boy thing. You won't be able to help it."
> > yeah right. And as for my daughter...she wants to be a
> > firefighter and a mommy and build houses and a dancer
> > and drive a white truck that she works on herself when
> > she grows up. (She plays tea party with my mom and
> > thier porcelain dolls...all feminine like...and then
> > says "let me see if I have anymore. I'll be right
> > back, I'm just going out to my truck.") And her
> > brother resented that suddenly all the dolls that used
> > to be his were suddenly assumed by everyone that they
> > were hers. He loves dolls.
> > -Bobbie
> > --- megates@... wrote:
> > > I enjoyed "Real Boys". My biggest critique of the
> > > book is that a lot of
> > > what he says really applies to CHILDREN, not just
> > > boys. But he has some
> > > great points, and written the way it is will be more
> > > likely to appeal to
> > > those who are convinced that boys are inherently
> > > different from girls.
> > >
> > > I am not saying that there are no differences -
> > > obviously there are - but
> > > it has been shown that people even treat the
> > > mother's belly differently
> > > when the sex of the fetus is known. So we will
> > > never be able to PROVE
> > > what is inherently female vs male behavior and what
> > > is cultural. I've
> > > heard of one culture that has 6 words for gender.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we humans once needed to have men be
> > > warriors and women the
> > > nurturers, but I would argue this is no longer true.
> > >
> > > Mary Ellen
> > > We just pretended to be ourselves
> > > riding on the train.
> > > "How Children Learn"
> > >
> >
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>Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:27:52 +0000
> From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
>Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
>
>
>
>Tracy Oldfield wrote:
>
> > I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
> > quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
> > though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
> > LOL
> >
> > Tracy
> >
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>Shyrley
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>Kathy B Cauley wrote:
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> > >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> > They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
> > I am so pissed right now I can't think.
> > I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
> > Kathy in TX.
> > unschooler & unimmunized
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>Not a 'you must have your children immunised or you will all die'
>episode?
>Sigh. I'm facing the American embassy in London in a few weeks. I have
>to see the embassy doc for a medical exam and explain why ky kids are
>not immunised. It's one of the conditions for enetering the US as a
>'alien' although there is a waiver form. Anyone know anyone who's used
>it?
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<< Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when
they
don't immunize their children.
I was sitting too far from the TV, too sick, near too much smoke) just lay
down and die from an inability to breathe? First, the hospital had to tell
the parents it was measles. I've seen measles; I've had measles (TWICE as a
child, although they assure people once does it) and you can tell when you
have measles.
Now another thing I saw yesterday was The Grinch movie. The mayor had had
his tonsils out twice! <g> Holly asked what tonsils were. I told her
they're a couple of little things in the throat that they used to cut out of
everybody, but now they don't. I told her that the swollen place she had had
low under her chin (I touched the place) might have been one, but no problem
(the swelling went down in one day).
Mine were cut out when I was five. Hooray for modern medicine. I'm SURE
they told my parents if they didn't consent I would die. I'm sure medical TV
shows in those days would've had no compunction about showing a family
hesitating about a tonscilectomy and the kid dying without a whimper. I
remember the ride to the emergency room at night. I was standing in the back
seat of the car throwing up in to a basin in the front seat. The next day I
was taken back, to a day clinic (I didn't spend the night either time), where
in a big prep room a nurse smiled, showed me a big piece of cheesecloth
folded up and said, "Do you want to smell my perfume?" I nodded. It was
ether. I saw it coming and smelled the not-at-all-perfume, and all went
black. That could've been the last thing I ever saw, and it would have been
a lie from an expert who'd scared my parents practically to death.
Why would infected tonsils make a kid puke, y'think? Puking is a symptom of
tonscilitis?
(Maybe it is, but it seems goofy to me. If I was clear to puke my throat
wasn't swollen shut.)
Other than that, I have no opinion. <g>
Sandra
they
don't immunize their children.
>>AND, how often does a child with measles (and with no apparent spots, or else
I was sitting too far from the TV, too sick, near too much smoke) just lay
down and die from an inability to breathe? First, the hospital had to tell
the parents it was measles. I've seen measles; I've had measles (TWICE as a
child, although they assure people once does it) and you can tell when you
have measles.
Now another thing I saw yesterday was The Grinch movie. The mayor had had
his tonsils out twice! <g> Holly asked what tonsils were. I told her
they're a couple of little things in the throat that they used to cut out of
everybody, but now they don't. I told her that the swollen place she had had
low under her chin (I touched the place) might have been one, but no problem
(the swelling went down in one day).
Mine were cut out when I was five. Hooray for modern medicine. I'm SURE
they told my parents if they didn't consent I would die. I'm sure medical TV
shows in those days would've had no compunction about showing a family
hesitating about a tonscilectomy and the kid dying without a whimper. I
remember the ride to the emergency room at night. I was standing in the back
seat of the car throwing up in to a basin in the front seat. The next day I
was taken back, to a day clinic (I didn't spend the night either time), where
in a big prep room a nurse smiled, showed me a big piece of cheesecloth
folded up and said, "Do you want to smell my perfume?" I nodded. It was
ether. I saw it coming and smelled the not-at-all-perfume, and all went
black. That could've been the last thing I ever saw, and it would have been
a lie from an expert who'd scared my parents practically to death.
Why would infected tonsils make a kid puke, y'think? Puking is a symptom of
tonscilitis?
(Maybe it is, but it seems goofy to me. If I was clear to puke my throat
wasn't swollen shut.)
Other than that, I have no opinion. <g>
Sandra
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In a message dated 2/16/01 5:39:15 AM, aprilspit@... writes:
<< I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
anymore!!!! >>
I'm honestly surprised the government didn't come down hard on homeschooling
and just say no, because the arguments for compulsory schooling are almost
like those for vaccinations, only the "disease" is illiteracy and ignorance.
The fact that some kids in school die of illiteracy and ignorance is an
"autism is not a factor" moment.
Sandra
<< I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
anymore!!!! >>
I'm honestly surprised the government didn't come down hard on homeschooling
and just say no, because the arguments for compulsory schooling are almost
like those for vaccinations, only the "disease" is illiteracy and ignorance.
The fact that some kids in school die of illiteracy and ignorance is an
"autism is not a factor" moment.
Sandra
dawn
>there have been tv shows that depict homeschooling in a negative
> I'm honestly surprised the government didn't come down hard on homeschooling
> and just say no, because the arguments for compulsory schooling are almost
> like those for vaccinations, only the "disease" is illiteracy and ignorance.
> The fact that some kids in school die of illiteracy and ignorance is an
> "autism is not a factor" moment.
>
light...meeting the perceived needs of fearful parents and not the social
needs of the kids. I belive there was a medical drama show a few years ago
where the kid was at home due to a school shooting andhis parents were
afraid to let him go back. It didn't make hs'ing look like we now it to
be, that's for sure.
dawn h-s
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In a message dated 2/16/01 4:39:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aprilspit@... writes:
<< If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
(they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever??? >>
Can you get a mothers help to watch the kids while you are at your appt?
I always have mine with me and they play in the lobby or in the lobby or
grassy area if there is one.
Kathy
aprilspit@... writes:
<< If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
(they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever??? >>
Can you get a mothers help to watch the kids while you are at your appt?
I always have mine with me and they play in the lobby or in the lobby or
grassy area if there is one.
Kathy
Bonnie Painter
I don't blame you April. My kids are vaccinated but it still annoyed me. I
don't know exactly what they were trying to accomplish besides ostrasizing
thousands of viewers. Because doctor Carter says there is no link between
vaccinations and autism everyone who hasn't vaccinated is going to run to
their doctor tomorrow??
Oh well, I never did believe everything I saw on TV :>)
Bonnie
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don't know exactly what they were trying to accomplish besides ostrasizing
thousands of viewers. Because doctor Carter says there is no link between
vaccinations and autism everyone who hasn't vaccinated is going to run to
their doctor tomorrow??
Oh well, I never did believe everything I saw on TV :>)
Bonnie
>From: "April Spitzer" <aprilspit@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:37:28 -0500
>
>That is exactly what I came to the computer this morning to complain
>about!!!!!!! I was so upset. I usually DO watch ER, but I probably won't
>anymore. It sounded like a public service anouncement. It made parents who
>chose not immunize sound STUPID STUPID STUPID
>
>Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when they
>don't immunize their children.
>
>doctor: "rich people think only poor kids get immunized and they don't have
>to, if everyone stopped immunizing small pox would come back, polio..."
>
>mother: "But there's a link between vaccinations and autism. Doctor:
>There
>is no link!!!!"
>
>mother: "is my son going to be alright?" doctor: "1 in 500 children with
>measles die"
>
>and then of course there was a commercial during ER promoting some vaccine.
>I think it was hepatitis. It said "1 and 10,000 people die from hep(?)"
>
>The whole thing just infuriates. The vacc. issue has been on my mind a lot
>lately because my husband wants to go to school in the evenings but he is
>required to take certain vacc. first, which is ridiculous considering that
>the Army has already forced him to take SO many shots, including the flu
>shot, and he most certainly have to take the anthrax shot before he goes to
>Kosovo.
>
>If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
>(they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
>shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
>supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever???
>
>I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
>anymore!!!! I thought this was a free country.
>
>Ok. I'm done venting. I was a little annoyed last night and I'm still
>annoyed.
>April
>
>
>
>
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> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1007
> >Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:14:43 -0000
> >
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> >There are 14 messages in this issue.
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> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Digest Number 1000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 2. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 3. Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> > 4. Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 5. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 6. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> > 7. RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> > 8. Re. Purple hair and tatoos
> > From: tonitoni@...
> > 9. Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
> >complete idiot!
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> > 10. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to
>be
> >a complete idiot!
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> > 11. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to
>be
> >a complete idiot!
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> > 12. Re: Re: boys and mothers
> > From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> > 13. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> > 14. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:36:50 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: Digest Number 1000
> >
> >Now, for hanging up, I hang them on the clothes horse
> >(or line) on the hanger already, that way they dry
> >straight, take up less space and go straight on the
> >rail when done! Someone take me away, I've gone
> >Stepford... But I don't iron, though...
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> >ah ha! I'm not the only one! most "unhousekeepers"
> >(heeh, just made that up) I know complain about piles
> >of DIRTY clothes. Not me. I love washing and drying
> >them. Seriously. I really really like it. I just
> >really really don't like folding and putting them
> >away.
> >Hanging them up is worse. Ugh. I'll need much more
> >than chocolate in the closet. I wish there was a
> >laundry version of the tooth fairy, leaving me money
> >for every garment hung or folded. ah.....le sigh....
> >-Bobbie
> >
> >--- mommiesapp@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/13/01 5:25:47 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > >
> > > <<chocolate. What could be better?
> > > Kerry
> > > quite submerged in lunacy with no complaints >>
> > >
> > > I always get this far....it's the putting the
> > > clothes AWAY that gets me into
> > > trouble. I actually thought about buying a 3rd
> > > clothes basket because the
> > > other two are ALAWAYS full!!! Maybe chocolate in
> > > each dresser drawer!!??
> > >
> > > Michelle in DE
> > >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:40:00 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> >
> >I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
> >quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
> >though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
> >LOL
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> > > People keep telling me that cos I have children I should dress
> > > 'normally' and look 'normal' :)
> > > Can't think why.
> > > We'll be living in Fairfax county just outside of DC, where all the
> > > senators live. Perhaps the house prices will drop when english weirdo
> > > punk moves in :)
> > >
> > > Shyrley who is thinking of going for purple hair next..
> > >
> > > Bobbie wrote:
> > >
> > > > ah. my people. ...er...person.
> > > > <g>
> > > > do you find that people (public in general) tend to be
> > > > even more shocked that you are a parent...(are you a
> > > > parent? I was just assuming, cuz you're on the list)
> > > > with your "different" appearance?
> > > > I get alot of flack, shocked, offended feedback cuz I
> > > > am young first of all (23), look even younger (one
> > > > lady thought I was 14!!!!!), always have a different
> > > > color of hair. The least accepted was an accidental
> > > > pink color (I was going for bright red, but ..um...it
> > > > didn't work) it is currently growing out from its very
> > > > uneven short spikey state and I dress as what my
> > > > family affectionately just calls "wierd" now <g>, and
> > > > I am never seen without my combat boots with always
> > > > changing laces in them (right now it's Rainbow Brite).
> > > > People always think I'm just a really wierd babysitter
> > > > when I take my kids out. :)
> > > > -Bobbie
> > > >
> > > > --- "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> > > > > I walk or cycle everywhere, have spiky red hair and
> > > > > wear combat
> > > > > trousers. Probably be shot on sight.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:28:13 -0600
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> >
> >I am a VIP filer.
> >I also believe there is nothing wrong with being a pack rat as long as
> >you are an organized pack rat. (of course thats me.)
> >Kathy in TX.
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:29:54 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> > > Now, Robin, we need to clear one thing up here. There is no such
> > > thing as
> > > too many books and pictures <g>
> > >
> > > And I'm sure your mother uses the VIP filing system --
> > > VeryImportantPiles
> > > <g>
> > >
> > > Lynda
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "DiamondAir" <diamondair@...>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:16 PM
> > > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > >
> > >
> > > > > From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
> > > > > Hi, I'm Bobbie, and I'm a packrat.
> > > > > No, there isn't a cure. Sorry. <g>
> > > >
> > > > Well, there's hope. I used to be a packrat, and we have a fairly
> > > junk-free
> > > > house now. The only thing I still have too many of is pictures and
> > > books,
> > > > but everything else is under control. My hubby is a neat freak who
> > > has won
> > > > me over slowly but surely and weaned me off of my packrat ways. I
> > > come
> > > from
> > > > a long line of packrats though. We just spent the weekend at my
> > > mom's
> > > house
> > > > (ugh!) and this cracked me up: she said to my son "Don't step on
> > > that pile
> > > > of magazines. Do you just stand all over the magazines at your own
> > > house?"
> > > > In my mind I'm thinking "No mom, because we don't HAVE piles of
> > > magazines
> > > > all over our house", honestly, the word "childproofing" means
> > > nothing to
> > > > her, she has piles of stuff everywhere and I have a 16 month old -
> > > ack!.
> > > My
> > > > grandma's house is worse. She can no longer use one of her
> > > bathrooms
> > > because
> > > > it is full of stuff, and hasn't eaten a meal on her dining room
> > > table in
> > > at
> > > > least 15 years, it's been buried in stuff. She just has little
> > > pathways
> > > > through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet
> > > music, etc..
> > > > We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest
> > > thing
> > > the
> > > > last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when
> > > we were
> > > > all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
> > > >
> > > > In any case, there's hope. I listened to a talk radio show on my
> > > way back
> > > > from my mom's house. It had the author of "Clutter's Last Stand"
> > > on as the
> > > > guest. He just wrote a new book called something like "Lose 200
> > > pounds
> > > this
> > > > weekend" (meaning 200 pounds of stuff) and he had a bunch of great
> > > tips
> > > for
> > > > de-cluttering, if anyone's interested...
> > > >
> > > > Blue Skies!
> > > > -Robin-
> > > > Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "This is a great life!"
> > > > and Asa (10/5/99) Who walks backwards
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> >Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:49:15 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
> >
> >I died my hair blue twice, during shcool hols. This
> >supposed wash-in-wash-out stuff reacted with the perm
> >in my hair and went green. The fairly strict private
> >school I was at never batted an eyelid, though I could
> >have said it was uniform colour...
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> >My dd has a dress style all of her own. She wears a
> >crop top. Some
> >times a bra with a crop top over the top. A tank top
> >type t. shirt
> >and then another tank top over that. If we go out she
> >then puts her
> >USA *yellow* (her favourite colour)jersey on. Even if
> >the sun is
> >really hot and blue skies and every body is sweating in
> >t.shirts.
> >She has her undies on with boxers over that and her
> >skirt on top of
> >those. knee length white socks with coloured stripes
> >around the top
> >(dads) and her black sneakers. Some times she wears
> >her yellow polka
> >dot bandana on her head and/or her yellow scarf around
> >her
> >neck....... She wants to put a *pink* rinse through
> >her hair........
> >
> >I think she was swaped at birth as she has a rather
> >conservative
> >mother, who is trying to change......
> >marianne
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:52:21 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >Over here it would be folk who are having an LEA visit!
> > LOL
> >
> >Tracy (who really likes the lack of posting restriction
> >here...)
> >
> > >not doing "housecleaning" (trash,
> > >vacuuming, bathrooms) for a flat fee but doing detail
> > >work (windows-as in every area of the window...light
> > >fixtures/fans...blinds....megadusting....ovens...
> > >screens...walls....vents...tile/grout...etc etc etc)
> >
> >Oooooh. I need this service, because I'm getting ready
> >to sell my house...
> >and there are certain parts of it that I never never
> >got around to cleaning
> >before. (Oops.)
> >
> >But I'll bet you aren't in the S.F. Bay Area -- right?
> >
> >People who are selling houses may be a natural market
> >for you. Also people
> >who's mother-in-laws are due for a visit. <g>
> >
> >Betsy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:13:01 -0600
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >
> >
> > >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> >They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
> >I am so pissed right now I can't think.
> >I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
> >Kathy in TX.
> >unschooler & unimmunized
> > >
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> >Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:54:10 -0800
> > From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> >Subject: RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> >
> >
> > She just has little pathways
> >through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet music,
>etc..
> >We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest thing
> >the
> >last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when we
>were
> >all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
> >
> >***Okay, this cracked me up. Die of paper cuts. This kid's a comedienne.
> >
> >Valerie in Tacoma
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:43:23 -0000
> > From: tonitoni@...
> >Subject: Re. Purple hair and tatoos
> >
> >I never thought of red food colouring! My dd is olive skinned with
> >black hair, so not sure if it would work - but definetly alot cheaper
> >than hair dye.
> >
> >My son from my first marriage, was born with ginger hair, he hated
> >it, so when he was 14yrs old he dyed it black, didnt like it put some
> >thing else on and ended up with GREEN hair!!
> >
> >I am the absolute oposite to a pack rat - I hate clutter and I
> >throw things away that I wish I hadnt later!!!!
> >
> >Marianne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:29:24 EST
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> >Subject: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/01 8:25:17 PM, kbcauley@... writes:
> >
> ><< >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> >They make the mother out to be a complete idiot! >>
> >
> >I was the only one home, and I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
> >watch TV, not knowing what was on. I watched NBC, a couple of very lame
> >sitcoms and then E.R., which I had never ever seen before. It seemed to
>be
> >AMA propaganda. Doctors were always right, patients were idiots.
> >
> >I'm hoping it wasn't typical of all their programs, but I'll try not to
> >watch
> >it anymore anyway.
> >
> >Sandra, who's usually neither sick nor alone
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:45:08 +1300
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> >Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
>a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >Help! Is this another cultural communication problem, or was it something
> >to do
> >with your illness, Sandra <g> -
> >
> > > I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
> > > watch TV
> >
> >????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning
>for
> >'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark??
> >
> >Carol, bewildered in New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:02:58 EST
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> >Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
>a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/01 10:44:22 PM, mjcmbrwn@... writes:
> >
> ><<
> >????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning
>for
> >'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark?? >>
> >
> >Oh. Playing with the bark from cedar. It's easy to split, and the bark
> >has
> >about 30 layers, sometimes that can be stripped into really thin, curly
> >bits.
> > It's a mindless sort of thing to do while I watch videos, but tonight I
> >was
> >too weak and brainless to find a video so I watched TV. And filled up a
> >box
> >with easy-to-start tiny kindling. I was creating excelsior, but am not
> >going to pack anything in it.
> >
> >Also it's a good excuse to sit right at the hearth and play with the
>fire.
> >
> >I doubt Americans guessed any better than you did, Carol. Sorry. (My
> >friends and relatives would have known. I give the stuff away to friends
> >with fireplaces, so they have something artsy to use instead of newspaper
> >to
> >start fires. And I give it to them in ratty baskets I get from garage
> >sales.
> > When the baskets get old they're kindling too.)
> >
> >
> >
> >Sandra
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:03:36 -0800
> > From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re: boys and mothers
> >
> >I am sooooo glad that I was raised by a family of liberated folks. I had
> >my
> >own hammer and saw before I was 5 and helped my dad work on motorcycles.
> >Of
> >course, my grandmother was the first to own a motorcycle in NY and there
> >were lots of other non-traditional folks in my family <g>
> >
> >Eldest son (who will be 30 in November) still has some dolls (latest ones
> >are from that crocodile/nature show thingy) which he collects.
> >
> >It was always a hoot to see the looks on the faces of folks that didn't
> >know
> >him when they saw his room. In the would tromp with my defensive lineman
> >son to the bedroom with the case of "dolls" and other collectibles like
> >Kermit and Chubacka (sp?).
> >
> >We never put a his and hers on anything in our family! Much more fun
>that
> >way otherwise mom wouldn't have gotten to race at Sears Point %-}
> >
> >Lynda
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and mothers
> >
> >
> > > I agree with that. That's all.
> > > It really chaps my hide when someone (well meaning, of
> > > course) hears me say something about something I don't
> > > want my son doing or something like that and says
> > > "It's just a boy thing. You won't be able to help it."
> > > yeah right. And as for my daughter...she wants to be a
> > > firefighter and a mommy and build houses and a dancer
> > > and drive a white truck that she works on herself when
> > > she grows up. (She plays tea party with my mom and
> > > thier porcelain dolls...all feminine like...and then
> > > says "let me see if I have anymore. I'll be right
> > > back, I'm just going out to my truck.") And her
> > > brother resented that suddenly all the dolls that used
> > > to be his were suddenly assumed by everyone that they
> > > were hers. He loves dolls.
> > > -Bobbie
> > > --- megates@... wrote:
> > > > I enjoyed "Real Boys". My biggest critique of the
> > > > book is that a lot of
> > > > what he says really applies to CHILDREN, not just
> > > > boys. But he has some
> > > > great points, and written the way it is will be more
> > > > likely to appeal to
> > > > those who are convinced that boys are inherently
> > > > different from girls.
> > > >
> > > > I am not saying that there are no differences -
> > > > obviously there are - but
> > > > it has been shown that people even treat the
> > > > mother's belly differently
> > > > when the sex of the fetus is known. So we will
> > > > never be able to PROVE
> > > > what is inherently female vs male behavior and what
> > > > is cultural. I've
> > > > heard of one culture that has 6 words for gender.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps we humans once needed to have men be
> > > > warriors and women the
> > > > nurturers, but I would argue this is no longer true.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Ellen
> > > > We just pretended to be ourselves
> > > > riding on the train.
> > > > "How Children Learn"
> > > >
> > >
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> >Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:27:52 +0000
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> >
> >
> >
> >Tracy Oldfield wrote:
> >
> > > I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
> > > quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
> > > though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > Tracy
> > >
> >
> ><manic grin>
> >
> >Shyrley
> >
> >
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> >Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:31:01 +0000
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >
> >
> >Kathy B Cauley wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> > > They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
> > > I am so pissed right now I can't think.
> > > I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
> > > Kathy in TX.
> > > unschooler & unimmunized
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >Not a 'you must have your children immunised or you will all die'
> >episode?
> >Sigh. I'm facing the American embassy in London in a few weeks. I have
> >to see the embassy doc for a medical exam and explain why ky kids are
> >not immunised. It's one of the conditions for enetering the US as a
> >'alien' although there is a waiver form. Anyone know anyone who's used
> >it?
> >
> >Shyrley
> >
> >
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Besides the vaccine, who were the sponsors of that episode??
Lynda, getting ready for another letter writing campaign!
Lynda, getting ready for another letter writing campaign!
----- Original Message -----
From: "April Spitzer" <aprilspit@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
> That is exactly what I came to the computer this morning to complain
> about!!!!!!! I was so upset. I usually DO watch ER, but I probably won't
> anymore. It sounded like a public service anouncement. It made parents
who
> chose not immunize sound STUPID STUPID STUPID
>
> Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when
they
> don't immunize their children.
>
> doctor: "rich people think only poor kids get immunized and they don't
have
> to, if everyone stopped immunizing small pox would come back, polio..."
>
> mother: "But there's a link between vaccinations and autism. Doctor:
There
> is no link!!!!"
>
> mother: "is my son going to be alright?" doctor: "1 in 500 children with
> measles die"
>
> and then of course there was a commercial during ER promoting some
vaccine.
> I think it was hepatitis. It said "1 and 10,000 people die from hep(?)"
>
> The whole thing just infuriates. The vacc. issue has been on my mind a
lot
> lately because my husband wants to go to school in the evenings but he is
> required to take certain vacc. first, which is ridiculous considering that
> the Army has already forced him to take SO many shots, including the flu
> shot, and he most certainly have to take the anthrax shot before he goes
to
> Kosovo.
>
> If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
> (they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
> shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
> supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever???
>
> I mean, it's getting to where people can't make their own decisions
> anymore!!!! I thought this was a free country.
>
> Ok. I'm done venting. I was a little annoyed last night and I'm still
> annoyed.
> April
>
>
>
>
> >From: [email protected]
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> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Digest Number 1007
> >Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:14:43 -0000
> >
> >
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> >There are 14 messages in this issue.
> >
> >Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: Digest Number 1000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 2. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 3. Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> > 4. Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 5. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> > 6. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> > 7. RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> > 8. Re. Purple hair and tatoos
> > From: tonitoni@...
> > 9. Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
> >complete idiot!
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> > 10. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to
be
> >a complete idiot!
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> > 11. Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to
be
> >a complete idiot!
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> > 12. Re: Re: boys and mothers
> > From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> > 13. Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> > 14. Re: unhousekeeping
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:36:50 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: Digest Number 1000
> >
> >Now, for hanging up, I hang them on the clothes horse
> >(or line) on the hanger already, that way they dry
> >straight, take up less space and go straight on the
> >rail when done! Someone take me away, I've gone
> >Stepford... But I don't iron, though...
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> >ah ha! I'm not the only one! most "unhousekeepers"
> >(heeh, just made that up) I know complain about piles
> >of DIRTY clothes. Not me. I love washing and drying
> >them. Seriously. I really really like it. I just
> >really really don't like folding and putting them
> >away.
> >Hanging them up is worse. Ugh. I'll need much more
> >than chocolate in the closet. I wish there was a
> >laundry version of the tooth fairy, leaving me money
> >for every garment hung or folded. ah.....le sigh....
> >-Bobbie
> >
> >--- mommiesapp@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 2/13/01 5:25:47 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > [email protected] writes:
> > >
> > > <<chocolate. What could be better?
> > > Kerry
> > > quite submerged in lunacy with no complaints >>
> > >
> > > I always get this far....it's the putting the
> > > clothes AWAY that gets me into
> > > trouble. I actually thought about buying a 3rd
> > > clothes basket because the
> > > other two are ALAWAYS full!!! Maybe chocolate in
> > > each dresser drawer!!??
> > >
> > > Michelle in DE
> > >
> >
> >
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> >Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:40:00 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> >
> >I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
> >quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
> >though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
> >LOL
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> > > People keep telling me that cos I have children I should dress
> > > 'normally' and look 'normal' :)
> > > Can't think why.
> > > We'll be living in Fairfax county just outside of DC, where all the
> > > senators live. Perhaps the house prices will drop when english weirdo
> > > punk moves in :)
> > >
> > > Shyrley who is thinking of going for purple hair next..
> > >
> > > Bobbie wrote:
> > >
> > > > ah. my people. ...er...person.
> > > > <g>
> > > > do you find that people (public in general) tend to be
> > > > even more shocked that you are a parent...(are you a
> > > > parent? I was just assuming, cuz you're on the list)
> > > > with your "different" appearance?
> > > > I get alot of flack, shocked, offended feedback cuz I
> > > > am young first of all (23), look even younger (one
> > > > lady thought I was 14!!!!!), always have a different
> > > > color of hair. The least accepted was an accidental
> > > > pink color (I was going for bright red, but ..um...it
> > > > didn't work) it is currently growing out from its very
> > > > uneven short spikey state and I dress as what my
> > > > family affectionately just calls "wierd" now <g>, and
> > > > I am never seen without my combat boots with always
> > > > changing laces in them (right now it's Rainbow Brite).
> > > > People always think I'm just a really wierd babysitter
> > > > when I take my kids out. :)
> > > > -Bobbie
> > > >
> > > > --- "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> > > > > I walk or cycle everywhere, have spiky red hair and
> > > > > wear combat
> > > > > trousers. Probably be shot on sight.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:28:13 -0600
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> >
> >I am a VIP filer.
> >I also believe there is nothing wrong with being a pack rat as long as
> >you are an organized pack rat. (of course thats me.)
> >Kathy in TX.
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:29:54 -0800 "Lynda" <lurine@...> writes:
> > > Now, Robin, we need to clear one thing up here. There is no such
> > > thing as
> > > too many books and pictures <g>
> > >
> > > And I'm sure your mother uses the VIP filing system --
> > > VeryImportantPiles
> > > <g>
> > >
> > > Lynda
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "DiamondAir" <diamondair@...>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:16 PM
> > > Subject: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: Laundry Is Fun
> > >
> > >
> > > > > From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
> > > > > Hi, I'm Bobbie, and I'm a packrat.
> > > > > No, there isn't a cure. Sorry. <g>
> > > >
> > > > Well, there's hope. I used to be a packrat, and we have a fairly
> > > junk-free
> > > > house now. The only thing I still have too many of is pictures and
> > > books,
> > > > but everything else is under control. My hubby is a neat freak who
> > > has won
> > > > me over slowly but surely and weaned me off of my packrat ways. I
> > > come
> > > from
> > > > a long line of packrats though. We just spent the weekend at my
> > > mom's
> > > house
> > > > (ugh!) and this cracked me up: she said to my son "Don't step on
> > > that pile
> > > > of magazines. Do you just stand all over the magazines at your own
> > > house?"
> > > > In my mind I'm thinking "No mom, because we don't HAVE piles of
> > > magazines
> > > > all over our house", honestly, the word "childproofing" means
> > > nothing to
> > > > her, she has piles of stuff everywhere and I have a 16 month old -
> > > ack!.
> > > My
> > > > grandma's house is worse. She can no longer use one of her
> > > bathrooms
> > > because
> > > > it is full of stuff, and hasn't eaten a meal on her dining room
> > > table in
> > > at
> > > > least 15 years, it's been buried in stuff. She just has little
> > > pathways
> > > > through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet
> > > music, etc..
> > > > We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest
> > > thing
> > > the
> > > > last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when
> > > we were
> > > > all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
> > > >
> > > > In any case, there's hope. I listened to a talk radio show on my
> > > way back
> > > > from my mom's house. It had the author of "Clutter's Last Stand"
> > > on as the
> > > > guest. He just wrote a new book called something like "Lose 200
> > > pounds
> > > this
> > > > weekend" (meaning 200 pounds of stuff) and he had a bunch of great
> > > tips
> > > for
> > > > de-cluttering, if anyone's interested...
> > > >
> > > > Blue Skies!
> > > > -Robin-
> > > > Mom to Mackenzie (8/28/96) "This is a great life!"
> > > > and Asa (10/5/99) Who walks backwards
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> >Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:49:15 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re purple hair and tatoos
> >
> >I died my hair blue twice, during shcool hols. This
> >supposed wash-in-wash-out stuff reacted with the perm
> >in my hair and went green. The fairly strict private
> >school I was at never batted an eyelid, though I could
> >have said it was uniform colour...
> >
> >Tracy
> >
> >My dd has a dress style all of her own. She wears a
> >crop top. Some
> >times a bra with a crop top over the top. A tank top
> >type t. shirt
> >and then another tank top over that. If we go out she
> >then puts her
> >USA *yellow* (her favourite colour)jersey on. Even if
> >the sun is
> >really hot and blue skies and every body is sweating in
> >t.shirts.
> >She has her undies on with boxers over that and her
> >skirt on top of
> >those. knee length white socks with coloured stripes
> >around the top
> >(dads) and her black sneakers. Some times she wears
> >her yellow polka
> >dot bandana on her head and/or her yellow scarf around
> >her
> >neck....... She wants to put a *pink* rinse through
> >her hair........
> >
> >I think she was swaped at birth as she has a rather
> >conservative
> >mother, who is trying to change......
> >marianne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 02:52:21 -0000
> > From: "Tracy Oldfield" <tracy.oldfield@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >Over here it would be folk who are having an LEA visit!
> > LOL
> >
> >Tracy (who really likes the lack of posting restriction
> >here...)
> >
> > >not doing "housecleaning" (trash,
> > >vacuuming, bathrooms) for a flat fee but doing detail
> > >work (windows-as in every area of the window...light
> > >fixtures/fans...blinds....megadusting....ovens...
> > >screens...walls....vents...tile/grout...etc etc etc)
> >
> >Oooooh. I need this service, because I'm getting ready
> >to sell my house...
> >and there are certain parts of it that I never never
> >got around to cleaning
> >before. (Oops.)
> >
> >But I'll bet you aren't in the S.F. Bay Area -- right?
> >
> >People who are selling houses may be a natural market
> >for you. Also people
> >who's mother-in-laws are due for a visit. <g>
> >
> >Betsy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:13:01 -0600
> > From: Kathy B Cauley <kbcauley@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >
> >
> > >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> >They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
> >I am so pissed right now I can't think.
> >I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
> >Kathy in TX.
> >unschooler & unimmunized
> > >
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> >Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:54:10 -0800
> > From: " Valerie Stewart" <vlos@...>
> >Subject: RE: Re: Laundry Is Fun
> >
> >
> > She just has little pathways
> >through everything, piles of old newspapers, magazines, sheet music,
etc..
> >We don't go over there anymore. My niece (age 6) said the funniest thing
> >the
> >last time we were there, she said "If there was an earthquake when we
were
> >all visiting Grandma M's house, we'd all die of paper cuts"
> >
> >***Okay, this cracked me up. Die of paper cuts. This kid's a comedienne.
> >
> >Valerie in Tacoma
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 8
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:43:23 -0000
> > From: tonitoni@...
> >Subject: Re. Purple hair and tatoos
> >
> >I never thought of red food colouring! My dd is olive skinned with
> >black hair, so not sure if it would work - but definetly alot cheaper
> >than hair dye.
> >
> >My son from my first marriage, was born with ginger hair, he hated
> >it, so when he was 14yrs old he dyed it black, didnt like it put some
> >thing else on and ended up with GREEN hair!!
> >
> >I am the absolute oposite to a pack rat - I hate clutter and I
> >throw things away that I wish I hadnt later!!!!
> >
> >Marianne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 9
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:29:24 EST
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> >Subject: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/01 8:25:17 PM, kbcauley@... writes:
> >
> ><< >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> >They make the mother out to be a complete idiot! >>
> >
> >I was the only one home, and I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
> >watch TV, not knowing what was on. I watched NBC, a couple of very lame
> >sitcoms and then E.R., which I had never ever seen before. It seemed to
be
> >AMA propaganda. Doctors were always right, patients were idiots.
> >
> >I'm hoping it wasn't typical of all their programs, but I'll try not to
> >watch
> >it anymore anyway.
> >
> >Sandra, who's usually neither sick nor alone
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 10
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:45:08 +1300
> > From: Mac and Carol Brown <mjcmbrwn@...>
> >Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >Help! Is this another cultural communication problem, or was it something
> >to do
> >with your illness, Sandra <g> -
> >
> > > I'm sick, so I sat down to peel kindling and
> > > watch TV
> >
> >????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning
for
> >'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark??
> >
> >Carol, bewildered in New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 11
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:02:58 EST
> > From: SandraDodd@...
> >Subject: Re: Is anyone else watching E.R. They make the mother out to be
a
> >complete idiot!
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 2/15/01 10:44:22 PM, mjcmbrwn@... writes:
> >
> ><<
> >????? Um, er, why do you peel kindling? Or do you have another meaning
for
> >'peeling'? It sounds to my like you are removing the bark?? >>
> >
> >Oh. Playing with the bark from cedar. It's easy to split, and the bark
> >has
> >about 30 layers, sometimes that can be stripped into really thin, curly
> >bits.
> > It's a mindless sort of thing to do while I watch videos, but tonight I
> >was
> >too weak and brainless to find a video so I watched TV. And filled up a
> >box
> >with easy-to-start tiny kindling. I was creating excelsior, but am not
> >going to pack anything in it.
> >
> >Also it's a good excuse to sit right at the hearth and play with the
fire.
> >
> >I doubt Americans guessed any better than you did, Carol. Sorry. (My
> >friends and relatives would have known. I give the stuff away to friends
> >with fireplaces, so they have something artsy to use instead of newspaper
> >to
> >start fires. And I give it to them in ratty baskets I get from garage
> >sales.
> > When the baskets get old they're kindling too.)
> >
> >
> >
> >Sandra
> >
> >
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >Message: 12
> > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:03:36 -0800
> > From: "Lynda" <lurine@...>
> >Subject: Re: Re: boys and mothers
> >
> >I am sooooo glad that I was raised by a family of liberated folks. I had
> >my
> >own hammer and saw before I was 5 and helped my dad work on motorcycles.
> >Of
> >course, my grandmother was the first to own a motorcycle in NY and there
> >were lots of other non-traditional folks in my family <g>
> >
> >Eldest son (who will be 30 in November) still has some dolls (latest ones
> >are from that crocodile/nature show thingy) which he collects.
> >
> >It was always a hoot to see the looks on the faces of folks that didn't
> >know
> >him when they saw his room. In the would tromp with my defensive lineman
> >son to the bedroom with the case of "dolls" and other collectibles like
> >Kermit and Chubacka (sp?).
> >
> >We never put a his and hers on anything in our family! Much more fun
that
> >way otherwise mom wouldn't have gotten to race at Sears Point %-}
> >
> >Lynda
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bobbie" <insomniaaks@...>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:48 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: boys and mothers
> >
> >
> > > I agree with that. That's all.
> > > It really chaps my hide when someone (well meaning, of
> > > course) hears me say something about something I don't
> > > want my son doing or something like that and says
> > > "It's just a boy thing. You won't be able to help it."
> > > yeah right. And as for my daughter...she wants to be a
> > > firefighter and a mommy and build houses and a dancer
> > > and drive a white truck that she works on herself when
> > > she grows up. (She plays tea party with my mom and
> > > thier porcelain dolls...all feminine like...and then
> > > says "let me see if I have anymore. I'll be right
> > > back, I'm just going out to my truck.") And her
> > > brother resented that suddenly all the dolls that used
> > > to be his were suddenly assumed by everyone that they
> > > were hers. He loves dolls.
> > > -Bobbie
> > > --- megates@... wrote:
> > > > I enjoyed "Real Boys". My biggest critique of the
> > > > book is that a lot of
> > > > what he says really applies to CHILDREN, not just
> > > > boys. But he has some
> > > > great points, and written the way it is will be more
> > > > likely to appeal to
> > > > those who are convinced that boys are inherently
> > > > different from girls.
> > > >
> > > > I am not saying that there are no differences -
> > > > obviously there are - but
> > > > it has been shown that people even treat the
> > > > mother's belly differently
> > > > when the sex of the fetus is known. So we will
> > > > never be able to PROVE
> > > > what is inherently female vs male behavior and what
> > > > is cultural. I've
> > > > heard of one culture that has 6 words for gender.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps we humans once needed to have men be
> > > > warriors and women the
> > > > nurturers, but I would argue this is no longer true.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Ellen
> > > > We just pretended to be ourselves
> > > > riding on the train.
> > > > "How Children Learn"
> > > >
> > >
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> >Message: 13
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:27:52 +0000
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >Subject: Re: More on Guns (vocabulary and mechanics, done badly)
> >
> >
> >
> >Tracy Oldfield wrote:
> >
> > > I said they were used to eccentric Brits, maybe they still aren't
> > > quite ready for you, dear. I'd love to have you for my neighbour,
> > > though *grin* Just can't wait to introduce you to BIL and family!!
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > Tracy
> > >
> >
> ><manic grin>
> >
> >Shyrley
> >
> >
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> >
> >Message: 14
> > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:31:01 +0000
> > From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>
> >Subject: Re: unhousekeeping
> >
> >
> >
> >Kathy B Cauley wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Is anyone else watching E.R.
> > > They make the mother out to be a complete idiot!
> > > I am so pissed right now I can't think.
> > > I used to really like this show but now I'm so confused!!!!
> > > Kathy in TX.
> > > unschooler & unimmunized
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >Not a 'you must have your children immunised or you will all die'
> >episode?
> >Sigh. I'm facing the American embassy in London in a few weeks. I have
> >to see the embassy doc for a medical exam and explain why ky kids are
> >not immunised. It's one of the conditions for enetering the US as a
> >'alien' although there is a waiver form. Anyone know anyone who's used
> >it?
> >
> >Shyrley
> >
> >
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Lynda
There is more than one kind of measles and lots of times roseola is
misdiagnosed as measles.
As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers.
And, no, generally speaking, tonsils don't cause puking. Very sore throat,
fever, hard to swollow. In fact, more kids died from the operation (figures
were at something like 10 x) than could ever be blamed on the tonsils! They
also NOW think that the tonsils actually serve some purpose which I don't
remember the specs on as it crossed my desk about 10 years ago. Blame it on
mommy brain <g>
Lynda
misdiagnosed as measles.
As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers.
And, no, generally speaking, tonsils don't cause puking. Very sore throat,
fever, hard to swollow. In fact, more kids died from the operation (figures
were at something like 10 x) than could ever be blamed on the tonsils! They
also NOW think that the tonsils actually serve some purpose which I don't
remember the specs on as it crossed my desk about 10 years ago. Blame it on
mommy brain <g>
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
> << Really, how often does someone actually get one of these diseases when
> they
> don't immunize their children.
> >>
>
> AND, how often does a child with measles (and with no apparent spots, or
else
> I was sitting too far from the TV, too sick, near too much smoke) just lay
> down and die from an inability to breathe? First, the hospital had to
tell
> the parents it was measles. I've seen measles; I've had measles (TWICE as
a
> child, although they assure people once does it) and you can tell when you
> have measles.
>
> Now another thing I saw yesterday was The Grinch movie. The mayor had had
> his tonsils out twice! <g> Holly asked what tonsils were. I told her
> they're a couple of little things in the throat that they used to cut out
of
> everybody, but now they don't. I told her that the swollen place she had
had
> low under her chin (I touched the place) might have been one, but no
problem
> (the swelling went down in one day).
>
> Mine were cut out when I was five. Hooray for modern medicine. I'm SURE
> they told my parents if they didn't consent I would die. I'm sure medical
TV
> shows in those days would've had no compunction about showing a family
> hesitating about a tonscilectomy and the kid dying without a whimper. I
> remember the ride to the emergency room at night. I was standing in the
back
> seat of the car throwing up in to a basin in the front seat. The next day
I
> was taken back, to a day clinic (I didn't spend the night either time),
where
> in a big prep room a nurse smiled, showed me a big piece of cheesecloth
> folded up and said, "Do you want to smell my perfume?" I nodded. It was
> ether. I saw it coming and smelled the not-at-all-perfume, and all went
> black. That could've been the last thing I ever saw, and it would have
been
> a lie from an expert who'd scared my parents practically to death.
>
> Why would infected tonsils make a kid puke, y'think? Puking is a symptom
of
> tonscilitis?
> (Maybe it is, but it seems goofy to me. If I was clear to puke my throat
> wasn't swollen shut.)
>
> Other than that, I have no opinion. <g>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
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In a message dated 2/16/01 12:38:18 PM, lurine@... writes:
<< They
also NOW think that the tonsils actually serve some purpose which I don't
remember the specs on as it crossed my desk about 10 years ago. >>
Collecting germs where they could be dealt with (as nose cilia do) before
they get down into respiratory and digestive systems is what I heard.
Probably they did that and some other stuff too.
<< They
also NOW think that the tonsils actually serve some purpose which I don't
remember the specs on as it crossed my desk about 10 years ago. >>
Collecting germs where they could be dealt with (as nose cilia do) before
they get down into respiratory and digestive systems is what I heard.
Probably they did that and some other stuff too.
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/16/01 11:33:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lurine@... writes:
<< As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. Although this seems to be falling out of
favor as well since malpractice insurance rates soar.
Kris
lurine@... writes:
<< As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. Although this seems to be falling out of
favor as well since malpractice insurance rates soar.
Kris
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/17/01 2:02:10 AM, louisaem@... writes:
<< << As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money
makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. >>
OH yes. 1986/87, the year Kirby was a baby, the pediatrician I was using
(private, high-priced, only partly covered by insurance, before I went to an
HMO that wouldn't have dreamed of doing tubes in ears in a conscious human, I
think) NEVER ceased trying to get me to approve tubes in ears. I let him
tell me about them in detail, but I just said making a hole in a perfectly
sound eardrum sounded insane, and no.
Kirby never even had an ear infection in his life, as far as I could tell.
You know why he "needed ear tubes"? When the doctor looked into his ear
canal, it was red in there. You know why? Kirby hated that doctor and used
to scream his head red every single time. I said, "Because he's crying, he's
red. The doctor would say "He must be in pain." Yeah, uh-huh.
Subsequent babies didn't have to suffer through so many routine doctor's
exams because I learned from that doctor (and a couple of others) that they
are truly looking for things that are wrong because they're afraid of being
sued if they miss something, and they don't make money when they say "What a
healthy baby--don't come back until he's sick."
If I hadn't watched that show for the first time ever (E.R.) I would've been
glossing over these messages as something that didn't apply to me, but like
astronauts looping around the moon to gain momentum, the mention on that show
is going to increase the volume of the pressure to immunize, and lots of
those who are parents helping other parents won't know where the increased
noise came from.
Sandra
<< << As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money
makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. >>
OH yes. 1986/87, the year Kirby was a baby, the pediatrician I was using
(private, high-priced, only partly covered by insurance, before I went to an
HMO that wouldn't have dreamed of doing tubes in ears in a conscious human, I
think) NEVER ceased trying to get me to approve tubes in ears. I let him
tell me about them in detail, but I just said making a hole in a perfectly
sound eardrum sounded insane, and no.
Kirby never even had an ear infection in his life, as far as I could tell.
You know why he "needed ear tubes"? When the doctor looked into his ear
canal, it was red in there. You know why? Kirby hated that doctor and used
to scream his head red every single time. I said, "Because he's crying, he's
red. The doctor would say "He must be in pain." Yeah, uh-huh.
Subsequent babies didn't have to suffer through so many routine doctor's
exams because I learned from that doctor (and a couple of others) that they
are truly looking for things that are wrong because they're afraid of being
sued if they miss something, and they don't make money when they say "What a
healthy baby--don't come back until he's sick."
If I hadn't watched that show for the first time ever (E.R.) I would've been
glossing over these messages as something that didn't apply to me, but like
astronauts looping around the moon to gain momentum, the mention on that show
is going to increase the volume of the pressure to immunize, and lots of
those who are parents helping other parents won't know where the increased
noise came from.
Sandra
pagan.screaming.net
louisaem@... wrote:
In a message dated 2/16/01 11:33:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
lurine@... writes:<< As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. Although this seems to be falling out of
favor as well since malpractice insurance rates soar.Kris
Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the marketing hasn't got going.Shyrley
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/17/01 2:06:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< but like
astronauts looping around the moon to gain momentum, the mention on that
show
is going to increase the volume of the pressure to immunize, and lots of
those who are parents helping other parents won't know where the increased
noise came from. >>
I'm so glad you said that! I already spend a bit of time talking with
parents about this and hadn't thought about an increase of questions, not to
mention panic and insecurity.
Kris
SandraDodd@... writes:
<< but like
astronauts looping around the moon to gain momentum, the mention on that
show
is going to increase the volume of the pressure to immunize, and lots of
those who are parents helping other parents won't know where the increased
noise came from. >>
I'm so glad you said that! I already spend a bit of time talking with
parents about this and hadn't thought about an increase of questions, not to
mention panic and insecurity.
Kris
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/17/01 2:20:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pagan@... writes:
<< But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the
marketing hasn't got going.
Shyrley >>
I can't imagine what it is like for a parent to face a diagnosis like this.
Even the confident face a daunting task. What do the parents who don't know
they can reject even the "expert's" opinion do?
Kris
pagan@... writes:
<< But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the
marketing hasn't got going.
Shyrley >>
I can't imagine what it is like for a parent to face a diagnosis like this.
Even the confident face a daunting task. What do the parents who don't know
they can reject even the "expert's" opinion do?
Kris
April Spitzer
I think that the kids would be no problem at the dr's office, they could sit
and look at books or whatever. But the clinics make us sign a piece of
paper saying that we will never bring our kids in for appt. or bring extra
kids in when one kid has an appt.
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and look at books or whatever. But the clinics make us sign a piece of
paper saying that we will never bring our kids in for appt. or bring extra
kids in when one kid has an appt.
>From: Natrlmama@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:47:14 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/16/01 4:39:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>aprilspit@... writes:
>
><< If I want to use the hourly daycare so that I can go to a doctor's appt.
> (they will not allow children to accompany me during appt) then my kids'
> shot records have to be up to date. So if I don't do that then how am I
> supposed to get my teeth cleaned or whatever??? >>
>
>Can you get a mothers help to watch the kids while you are at your appt?
>I always have mine with me and they play in the lobby or in the lobby or
> grassy area if there is one.
>Kathy
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>From: louisaem@...They give their kid the drug. Poor kids. I think we have already seen what
>I can't imagine what it is like for a parent to face a diagnosis like this.
>Even the confident face a daunting task. What do the parents who don't
>know
>they can reject even the "expert's" opinion do?
>
>Kris
an increase in giving kids drugs has done to our society. i.e. Eric Harris
stops taking anti-depressant, goes on shooting rampage.
(I know the reasons for that horrible incident aren't as simple as that, but
it is one example)
April
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It isn't legal in several countries in EU to prescribe drugs such as
Ritalin or Prozac to a child under the age of 16, so there isn't a chance for
the big money maker there.
Now, disclaimer first <g>, yes, some folks
may indeed be ADD/ADHD, however, (end of disclaimer), this is a subjective
(someone's opinion), not objective (tests prove it) diagnosis and didn't
exist prior to the Ritalin push!
IMHO, this is just another one of those
pharmaceutical company/ps pigeon holing games. Pharmaceuticals for the big
$$ and ps pigeon holing for the placing of square pegs in round
holes.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: pagan.screaming.netSent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 2:15 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinationslouisaem@... wrote:
In a message dated 2/16/01 11:33:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
lurine@... writes:<< As to the whole tonsils thing, I think it was one of those money makers. >>
Replaced by tubes in the ears. Although this seems to be falling out of
favor as well since malpractice insurance rates soar.Kris
Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the marketing hasn't got going.Shyrley
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> I think that the kids would be no problem at the dr's office, theyThis sounds awful. How unfriendly to families.
> could sit
> and look at books or whatever. But the clinics make us sign a piece
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April Spitzer wrote:
I think that the kids would be no problem at the dr's office, they could sitIs that true of all US doctors? Must be a problem for HS'ers.
and look at books or whatever. But the clinics make us sign a piece of
paper saying that we will never bring our kids in for appt. or bring extra
kids in when one kid has an appt.
As an aside, do you have to pay to see a Dr or does the medical insurance thingy cover visits?Shyrley
pagan.screaming.net
louisaem@... wrote:
In a message dated 2/17/01 2:20:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD. Symptons were 'inability to sit still in class, asking quastions out of turn, fustrated tantrums, inattention when teacher was droning on...'
pagan@... writes:<< But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the
marketing hasn't got going.Shyrley >>
I can't imagine what it is like for a parent to face a diagnosis like this.
Even the confident face a daunting task. What do the parents who don't know
they can reject even the "expert's" opinion do?Kris
I will admit that I did despair because her behaviour was appalling from very young. If I hadn't been me I may have succumbed to the Ritalin road but I went to a homeapath first and also removed all wheat, sugar and junk from her diet. There were huge improvements in her behaviour. Then I removed her from school which she found boring. Hey presto, a different child.
I'm not knocking anyone who has difficuklties with a hyperactive child but this does seem a very modern and at the moment US/UK phenomena. Also knowing that the drug companies have a hand in drawing up the DSM (psychiatric symptons bible) does make me a tad suspicious.
I've also watched people give their children highly coloured fizzy pop and wonder why the wee lad can't sit still. Having drunk some I felt odd and had the shakes like I'd had too much coffee - who needs drugs when you can have a slurpee :) -it just seems to me that drug companies need problems.
There is/was a case going through the US courts where the drug companies are being accused of making up ADHD.
Anyway, my rant over.Shyrley
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In a message dated 2/18/01 12:13:46 PM, pagan@... writes:
<< There is/was a case going through the US courts where the drug companies
are being accused of making up ADHD. >>
Well it's a re-naming of hyper-activity, which was not a disease. There's
some big list of mental health disorders which psychologists use. They have
numbers. Some of them are a scream!! Does anyone know of a list of these
online? So you need to have a real disorder with a number for insurance to
cover the visits, or whatever. Some reason undoubtedly having to do with
finances. Making it a disorder makes it *real.*
I've always thought of hyper activity as the boredom of those who need to
move. I'd rather see (or be) hyperactivity than slugdom anytime, but that's
just me.
Sandra
<< There is/was a case going through the US courts where the drug companies
are being accused of making up ADHD. >>
Well it's a re-naming of hyper-activity, which was not a disease. There's
some big list of mental health disorders which psychologists use. They have
numbers. Some of them are a scream!! Does anyone know of a list of these
online? So you need to have a real disorder with a number for insurance to
cover the visits, or whatever. Some reason undoubtedly having to do with
finances. Making it a disorder makes it *real.*
I've always thought of hyper activity as the boredom of those who need to
move. I'd rather see (or be) hyperactivity than slugdom anytime, but that's
just me.
Sandra
[email protected]
In a message dated 2/18/01 12:16:16 PM, pagan@... writes:
<< Is that true of all US doctors? >>
No. I've always been where they let the whole family in for most of the
visit.
<<As an aside, do you have to pay to see a Dr or does the medical
insurance thingy cover visits? >>
Depends on the insurance. The doctors must be paid. If a person has no
insurance they pay directly, or they apply for the state to pay for it (or
part of it)--that varies from place to place. Indigency funds, or low-income
exemptions, or whatever. They'll be called different things.
There are HMOs (health maintenance organizations) where you buy kind of a
membership to the chain of hospitals, and if you get sick you have to go to
one of their places. We're in one of those. We still pay $5 or $10 per
visit, and $10 for a prescription, but that's a flat rate regardless of
whether it would have been $18 or $100 otherwise. And if the prescription
would have been $8 we still pay $10 <g>.
There are insurance companies which will pay a percentage of your costs,
regardless of which doctor, but those seem to be on the decline, and HMOs are
on the rise.
Sandra
<< Is that true of all US doctors? >>
No. I've always been where they let the whole family in for most of the
visit.
<<As an aside, do you have to pay to see a Dr or does the medical
insurance thingy cover visits? >>
Depends on the insurance. The doctors must be paid. If a person has no
insurance they pay directly, or they apply for the state to pay for it (or
part of it)--that varies from place to place. Indigency funds, or low-income
exemptions, or whatever. They'll be called different things.
There are HMOs (health maintenance organizations) where you buy kind of a
membership to the chain of hospitals, and if you get sick you have to go to
one of their places. We're in one of those. We still pay $5 or $10 per
visit, and $10 for a prescription, but that's a flat rate regardless of
whether it would have been $18 or $100 otherwise. And if the prescription
would have been $8 we still pay $10 <g>.
There are insurance companies which will pay a percentage of your costs,
regardless of which doctor, but those seem to be on the decline, and HMOs are
on the rise.
Sandra
pagan.screaming.net
SandraDodd@... wrote:
Looks like it will be cheaper to fly back to the UK for free treatment :)
In a message dated 2/18/01 12:16:16 PM, pagan@... writes:<< Is that true of all US doctors? >>
No. I've always been where they let the whole family in for most of the
visit.
<<As an aside, do you have to pay to see a Dr or does the medical
insurance thingy cover visits? >>Depends on the insurance. The doctors must be paid. If a person has no
insurance they pay directly, or they apply for the state to pay for it (or
part of it)--that varies from place to place. Indigency funds, or low-income
exemptions, or whatever. They'll be called different things.There are HMOs (health maintenance organizations) where you buy kind of a
membership to the chain of hospitals, and if you get sick you have to go to
one of their places. We're in one of those. We still pay $5 or $10 per
visit, and $10 for a prescription, but that's a flat rate regardless of
whether it would have been $18 or $100 otherwise. And if the prescription
would have been $8 we still pay $10 <g>.There are insurance companies which will pay a percentage of your costs,
regardless of which doctor, but those seem to be on the decline, and HMOs are
on the rise.Sandra
Shyrley
April Spitzer
Sorry- I should've clarified that my husband is in the military. They have
their own sets of clinics and rules. Everything is free, but we have to put
up with all the silly stuff they come up with
(i.e. we can't just get our teeth cleaned, first we must arrive at the
dental clinic between 8-11 w/ no appt. and then wait our turn, usually
hours, until a hygenist examines our teeth for 2 minutes and decides that
there is nothing else wrong-then we can make an appt. ALSO I must attend a
health clinic class here at our new post for 4 hours before we are enrolled
in the clinic and can make appointments- at this class I will undoubtedly
have to explain or why I have chosen not to give my oldest daughter any more
vaccines)
and inferior health care.
April
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their own sets of clinics and rules. Everything is free, but we have to put
up with all the silly stuff they come up with
(i.e. we can't just get our teeth cleaned, first we must arrive at the
dental clinic between 8-11 w/ no appt. and then wait our turn, usually
hours, until a hygenist examines our teeth for 2 minutes and decides that
there is nothing else wrong-then we can make an appt. ALSO I must attend a
health clinic class here at our new post for 4 hours before we are enrolled
in the clinic and can make appointments- at this class I will undoubtedly
have to explain or why I have chosen not to give my oldest daughter any more
vaccines)
and inferior health care.
April
>From: "pagan.screaming.net" <pagan@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:06:56 +0000
>
>
>
>April Spitzer wrote:
>
> > I think that the kids would be no problem at the dr's office, they
> > could sit
> > and look at books or whatever. But the clinics make us sign a piece
> > of
> > paper saying that we will never bring our kids in for appt. or bring
> > extra
> > kids in when one kid has an appt.
> >
>
>Is that true of all US doctors? Must be a problem for HS'ers.
>As an aside, do you have to pay to see a Dr or does the medical
>insurance thingy cover visits?
>
>Shyrley
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In a message dated 02/18/2001 2:21:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
aprilspit@... writes:
I am Military and I have recieved superior health care.Let me explain. Im HIV
positive and was diagnosed while on active duty.They retired me and I get all
my care from the military.One thing I have discovered is the military sucks
at everyday sick stuff,but when you are seriously ill they are top notch.When
it comes to something simple like gettting prescriptions or getting my kids a
chack up at rediculous,but when it comes to my care I have no complaints. I
get top line and expiramental drugs before the civilian world does.I get
first spots on most trials etc,trials by the Salk foundation etc.The Naval
Hosp is an hour away so for a while I switched and got my care at UCSD...My
care with them was sub par compared to the military..I went back to the
military hospital.I guess what i'm getting at is that it depends on what type
of medical care you need, and the everyday stuff is what they are not good at.
aprilspit@... writes:
ALSO I must attend a
health clinic class here at our new post for 4 hours before we are enrolled
in the clinic and can make appointments- at this class I will undoubtedly
have to explain or why I have chosen not to give my oldest daughter any
more
vaccines)
and inferior health care.
I am Military and I have recieved superior health care.Let me explain. Im HIV
positive and was diagnosed while on active duty.They retired me and I get all
my care from the military.One thing I have discovered is the military sucks
at everyday sick stuff,but when you are seriously ill they are top notch.When
it comes to something simple like gettting prescriptions or getting my kids a
chack up at rediculous,but when it comes to my care I have no complaints. I
get top line and expiramental drugs before the civilian world does.I get
first spots on most trials etc,trials by the Salk foundation etc.The Naval
Hosp is an hour away so for a while I switched and got my care at UCSD...My
care with them was sub par compared to the military..I went back to the
military hospital.I guess what i'm getting at is that it depends on what type
of medical care you need, and the everyday stuff is what they are not good at.
Karen
JenniMom wrote:
One thing I have discovered is the military sucks
at everyday sick stuff,but when you are seriously ill they are top notch.When
it comes to something simple like gettting prescriptions or getting my kids a
chack up at rediculous,but when it comes to my care I have no complaints.
at everyday sick stuff,but when you are seriously ill they are top notch.When
it comes to something simple like gettting prescriptions or getting my kids a
chack up at rediculous,but when it comes to my care I have no complaints.
I think you are right on this... I am also a military
dependent, and my husband is hospital personnel (a nurse anesthetist). I
know without his connections in the hospital, much of our run-of-the-mill things
wouldn't be taken care of as quickly and easily.
Karen
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Lynda
They are DSM codes. Each book that came out had a number (roman numeral) I
think they are at DSM-IX now. So you will hear them refer to DSM-9 blah,
blah, blah. Medicare, medicaid and most private insurances will only pay on
a code numbered diagnosis. The same applies to medical illnesses. All must
be number coded.
Lynda
think they are at DSM-IX now. So you will hear them refer to DSM-9 blah,
blah, blah. Medicare, medicaid and most private insurances will only pay on
a code numbered diagnosis. The same applies to medical illnesses. All must
be number coded.
Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <SandraDodd@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinations
>
> In a message dated 2/18/01 12:13:46 PM, pagan@... writes:
>
> << There is/was a case going through the US courts where the drug
companies
> are being accused of making up ADHD. >>
>
> Well it's a re-naming of hyper-activity, which was not a disease. There's
> some big list of mental health disorders which psychologists use. They
have
> numbers. Some of them are a scream!! Does anyone know of a list of these
> online? So you need to have a real disorder with a number for insurance
to
> cover the visits, or whatever. Some reason undoubtedly having to do with
> finances. Making it a disorder makes it *real.*
>
> I've always thought of hyper activity as the boredom of those who need to
> move. I'd rather see (or be) hyperactivity than slugdom anytime, but
that's
> just me.
>
> Sandra
>
>
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No, but my sis thinks one of hers is ADHD, and they're in Spain,
so maybe she's gonna start a trend :-( I think he's dairy allergic,
but hey, what do I know...
Tracy
so maybe she's gonna start a trend :-( I think he's dairy allergic,
but hey, what do I know...
Tracy
>
>
> But we have that new money-spinner. ADHD which requires Ritalin....
> Hyperactivity doesn't exist in most European countries.....yet, as the
> marketing hasn't got going.
>
> Shyrley
>
pagan.screaming.net
Lynda wrote:
They are DSM codes. Each book that came out had a number (roman numeral) IWhen I was psychologist ten years ago we were only up to DSM 3-R! Basically anything that went on in someone's head or just about anytype of behaviour could be found under a label somewhere on the chart.
think they are at DSM-IX now. So you will hear them refer to DSM-9 blah,
blah, blah. Medicare, medicaid and most private insurances will only pay on
a code numbered diagnosis. The same applies to medical illnesses. All must
be number coded.Lynda
The DSM itself is mainly drawn up by psychiatrists and doctors and the cynic in me wonders if they add most of human behaviour to it too keep themselves busy and paid.....Shyrley
Lynda
I worked for some shrinks at an acute psych facility about 15 years
ago. They did a study (10 years worth of data collected from 17 countries)
and after it was all put together (my fingers are now 2 inches shorter
<g>), they trashed the study. It showed that most psych diagnosis
did not appear until their was a drug to cure them and that teen violence, # of
serial killers/mass murders, suicide and domestic violence had risen in direct
proportion to the advent of psychiatry and the number of psychiatrists,
psychologists and MRCCs licensed.
After they came and carted away my computer
discs, I over heard one of the shrinks saying to the other in the lounge, "well,
what did you expect. We gave them excuses and now they are using
them."
Lynda
----- Original Message -----From: pagan.screaming.netSent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:19 AMSubject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] ER and vaccinationsLynda wrote:
They are DSM codes. Each book that came out had a number (roman numeral) IWhen I was psychologist ten years ago we were only up to DSM 3-R! Basically anything that went on in someone's head or just about anytype of behaviour could be found under a label somewhere on the chart.
think they are at DSM-IX now. So you will hear them refer to DSM-9 blah,
blah, blah. Medicare, medicaid and most private insurances will only pay on
a code numbered diagnosis. The same applies to medical illnesses. All must
be number coded.Lynda
The DSM itself is mainly drawn up by psychiatrists and doctors and the cynic in me wonders if they add most of human behaviour to it too keep themselves busy and paid.....Shyrley
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