Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: choice/options
Ashling Ranch
The point is having the choice. Sandra is NOT saying everyone should have
an abortion. What she (and others who agree with her -- I'm one of them) is
saying is everyone should have a CHOICE. Adoption is another choice. Why
should be limit our choices? When I have had the discussions with others in
the past, the folks that tout adoption seldom mention abortion as a viable
option. This is a deeply personal decision and people really don't know how
they will feel until they face a particular situation.
I have been faced with the decision twice in my marriage (I have 2 children
and had 3 pregnancies--one of the three was planned). The first time I
decided not to have an abortion. I was unsure that I was ready to bring a
child into the world --- not really sure that I was mature enough at that
stage. I made the decision to have her and she will be 20 on Monday.
Another I decided to terminate (abort). The aborted fetus had an IUD
wrapped around it. No one could have made those decisions for me and no one
had the right to do so.
Just my thoughts,
Melodie
an abortion. What she (and others who agree with her -- I'm one of them) is
saying is everyone should have a CHOICE. Adoption is another choice. Why
should be limit our choices? When I have had the discussions with others in
the past, the folks that tout adoption seldom mention abortion as a viable
option. This is a deeply personal decision and people really don't know how
they will feel until they face a particular situation.
I have been faced with the decision twice in my marriage (I have 2 children
and had 3 pregnancies--one of the three was planned). The first time I
decided not to have an abortion. I was unsure that I was ready to bring a
child into the world --- not really sure that I was mature enough at that
stage. I made the decision to have her and she will be 20 on Monday.
Another I decided to terminate (abort). The aborted fetus had an IUD
wrapped around it. No one could have made those decisions for me and no one
had the right to do so.
Just my thoughts,
Melodie
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In a message dated 2/3/01 5:04:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ashling@...
writes:
<< The point is having the choice. Sandra is NOT saying everyone should have
an abortion. What she (and others who agree with her -- I'm one of them) is
saying is everyone should have a CHOICE. >>
The point is that we really do get that. The point is, for me and most of
those who are pro-life, that the unborn are ALIVE. There is no choice for
them and that their life is as deserving of protection as yours or mine. I
am in full support of procreative choice that does not include the taking of
a life.
Either some of you are not hearing us or you cannot comprehend how we can
continue to oppose something you find so "logical". It is the taking of a
life and "choice" does not erase that for us. No matter how vital you see
"choice" it does not sway us to believe that it is okay to take the life of
the unborn!
I've stated it as many ways as I know how, without making this post as long
as my arm.
Kris
writes:
<< The point is having the choice. Sandra is NOT saying everyone should have
an abortion. What she (and others who agree with her -- I'm one of them) is
saying is everyone should have a CHOICE. >>
The point is that we really do get that. The point is, for me and most of
those who are pro-life, that the unborn are ALIVE. There is no choice for
them and that their life is as deserving of protection as yours or mine. I
am in full support of procreative choice that does not include the taking of
a life.
Either some of you are not hearing us or you cannot comprehend how we can
continue to oppose something you find so "logical". It is the taking of a
life and "choice" does not erase that for us. No matter how vital you see
"choice" it does not sway us to believe that it is okay to take the life of
the unborn!
I've stated it as many ways as I know how, without making this post as long
as my arm.
Kris
[email protected]
In a message dated 02/04/2001 4:42:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!, louisaem@...
writes:
No one said it was an easy choice. But sometimes people make choices that
are difficult and which you might not agree with and which are deeply
personal.
Very personally, to me, the viability of the fetus is a big issue. And as
medical science advances, viability comes earlier and earlier. So maybe that
line moves.
OTOH, the fact that many young people are uninformed about birth control and
sex in general and are making these choices and mistakes and decisions at
relatively young, inexperienced ages, is disquieting to me.
OTOH, I found it unsettling that I had to wait so far into my 2 pregnancies
to have the amnios done (I was over 35). It seemed to me that it was several
months into the pregnancies before they could even do the test. Both
children were healthy. But I knew and know now that I would have had
abortions if they had not been -- they were testing for Downs Syndrome and
whatever else that test shows. All these medical advances and yet these
tests were done so late -- seemed to me at the time anyway.
These are deeply personal issues, obviously. With more than one or 2 or 3
sides or aspects to consider. These are very difficult decisions.
The same people who can't figure out how to set up a decent education system
sure as heck don't need to be deciding what's going on in my uterus.
imo
Nance
writes:
The point is that we really do get that. The point is, for me and most of
those who are pro-life, that the unborn are ALIVE. There is no choice for
them and that their life is as deserving of protection as yours or mine. I
am in full support of procreative choice that does not include the taking
of
a life.
No one said it was an easy choice. But sometimes people make choices that
are difficult and which you might not agree with and which are deeply
personal.
Very personally, to me, the viability of the fetus is a big issue. And as
medical science advances, viability comes earlier and earlier. So maybe that
line moves.
OTOH, the fact that many young people are uninformed about birth control and
sex in general and are making these choices and mistakes and decisions at
relatively young, inexperienced ages, is disquieting to me.
OTOH, I found it unsettling that I had to wait so far into my 2 pregnancies
to have the amnios done (I was over 35). It seemed to me that it was several
months into the pregnancies before they could even do the test. Both
children were healthy. But I knew and know now that I would have had
abortions if they had not been -- they were testing for Downs Syndrome and
whatever else that test shows. All these medical advances and yet these
tests were done so late -- seemed to me at the time anyway.
These are deeply personal issues, obviously. With more than one or 2 or 3
sides or aspects to consider. These are very difficult decisions.
The same people who can't figure out how to set up a decent education system
sure as heck don't need to be deciding what's going on in my uterus.
imo
Nance
Bonnie Painter
I do understand your position Kris. And a few other women have written
eloquently as to why making Roe vs. Wade illegal would be a bad thing. That
reason is because many (notice I said many, not all) of the people who call
themselves "pro-life" also do not believe in birth control. Their only
"prevention" for abortion is abstinence. They fight to keep education out
of the schools and they fight to close down Planned Parenthood's.
My problem with this is that not everyone in this country is raised with the
same morals or values. Not everyone in this country believes that sex is a
sin and against the laws of God. So, in order to have the choice whether or
not to engage in sexual behavior, the option and information of birth
control needs to be available. Personally, I would rather see a woman use
birth control than have an abortion any day. I would never have an abortion
myself, I did use birth control so that wouldn't have to be a choice I would
have to make. And as someone else mentioned, sometimes that doesn't even
prevent the necessity for abortion. I don't remember who mentioned having
to abort because of an IUD, but I applaud you for your honesty and thank you
for sharing your story.
That is why I am pro-choice. Until all women are educated and given access
to birth control, abortion needs to be safe and legal.
JMHO,
Bonnie
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eloquently as to why making Roe vs. Wade illegal would be a bad thing. That
reason is because many (notice I said many, not all) of the people who call
themselves "pro-life" also do not believe in birth control. Their only
"prevention" for abortion is abstinence. They fight to keep education out
of the schools and they fight to close down Planned Parenthood's.
My problem with this is that not everyone in this country is raised with the
same morals or values. Not everyone in this country believes that sex is a
sin and against the laws of God. So, in order to have the choice whether or
not to engage in sexual behavior, the option and information of birth
control needs to be available. Personally, I would rather see a woman use
birth control than have an abortion any day. I would never have an abortion
myself, I did use birth control so that wouldn't have to be a choice I would
have to make. And as someone else mentioned, sometimes that doesn't even
prevent the necessity for abortion. I don't remember who mentioned having
to abort because of an IUD, but I applaud you for your honesty and thank you
for sharing your story.
That is why I am pro-choice. Until all women are educated and given access
to birth control, abortion needs to be safe and legal.
JMHO,
Bonnie
>From: louisaem@..._________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Unschooling-dotcom] Re: choice/options
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:41:19 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/3/01 5:04:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ashling@...
>writes:
>
><< The point is having the choice. Sandra is NOT saying everyone should
>have
> an abortion. What she (and others who agree with her -- I'm one of them)
>is
> saying is everyone should have a CHOICE. >>
>
>The point is that we really do get that. The point is, for me and most of
>those who are pro-life, that the unborn are ALIVE. There is no choice for
>them and that their life is as deserving of protection as yours or mine. I
>am in full support of procreative choice that does not include the taking
>of
>a life.
>
>Either some of you are not hearing us or you cannot comprehend how we can
>continue to oppose something you find so "logical". It is the taking of a
>life and "choice" does not erase that for us. No matter how vital you see
>"choice" it does not sway us to believe that it is okay to take the life of
>the unborn!
>
>I've stated it as many ways as I know how, without making this post as long
>as my arm.
>
>Kris
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